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- PFF's Sam Monson and Steve Palazzolo break down the first round picks from the 2023 NFL Draft and see what their outlook is for the 2024 season!
0:00 Intro
3:15 Bryce Young
7:30 CJ Stroud
10:27 Will Anderson
14:40 Anthony Richardson
18:45 Devon Witherspoon
22:20 Paris Johnson
24:50 Tyree Wilson
27:55 Bijan Robinson
31:30 Jalen Carter
35:55 Darnell Wright
39:50 Peter Skoronski
42:37 Jahmyr Gibbs
47:28 Lukas Van Ness
51:36 Broderick Jones
54:41 Will McDonald
58:21 Emmanuel Forbes
1:03:00 Christian Gonzalez
1:05:55 Jack Campbell
1:08:26 Calijah Cancey
1:13:23 Jaxon Smith-Njigba
1:16:50 Quentin Johnston
1:21:50 Zay Flowers
1:26:06 Jordan Addison
1:30:25 Deonte Banks
1:35:30 Dalton Kincaid
1:40:08 Mazi Smith
1:45:30 Anton Harrison
1:49:11 Myles Murphy
1:53:08 Bryan Bresee
1:56:30 Nolan Smith
2:02:44 Felix Anudike-Uzomah
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Stroud looked like a legit STAR last year...for sure he is in better situation than Bryce Yong. Year 2 will be tougher because now everyone will be more focused to make life difficult for him.. but I think Stroud continues to play very very well. He is so calm in the pocket..dude really looked good.
CJ is a great player, no doubt about that.
I never would have picked Bryce Young #1 overall...and even worse Carolina paid a TON in order to pick him...my reasons would have been that he is just too short and too thin to be long term effective in NFL. Who knows...maybe he becomes a superstar...I don't wish bad on any player...but I would have been concerned dude would be getting beat up too much. We shall see.
I think him getting picked first overall makes sense given his draft class. Levis and Richardson being to far away in terms of development with Stroud as the other logic Option.
Guys like Brees and Wilson worked out aswell for an pretty long time.
For me the trade up at first overall was to much when they included DJ Moore.
I hate the "too small" argument so much because it just doesn't hold up to any scrutiny at all, it is solely based on how people think a football player should look and nothing else. The concerns always boil down to if you are too small to play quarterback you won't be able to see over the middle of the field because of your height, and you won't be able to take hits because of your weight. So, let's look at those things.
Height: Bryce is according to the NFL 5'10" which is tied with Kyler Murray for the shortest quarterback in the league. Height clearly makes it easier to play quarterback we can all see that, and quarterbacks tend to be pretty tall, but it is not some disqualifying thing. We have seen multiple short QBs do great in the NFL, Wilson is 5'11" and won a Superbowl, Brees is 6 foot and won a bowl, and Murray has been to the Pro Bowl and won rookie of the year, so it is clearly not impossible to do well in the modern NFL as a shorter QB. This success has come with some caveats though that I will admit, Wilson and Murray both aren't great at targeting the middle of the field, and the Saints spent a whole lot of time on building a strong interior line for Brees to create passing lanes for him. I haven't seen his stats for over the middle of the field this year, but Bryce attacked the middle of the field pretty well during his time at Alabama and heat maps from PFF back me up on that. Those same maps show Wilson and Murray being quite bad at targeting the middle. We will see how that plays out with Bryce in the NFL when he has an actual line to work with and more stats, but it clearly isn't some impossibility. So, what other concerns do short QBs have? Not being able to see players? Certainly, could be the case but can easily be solved by playing in time and rhythm and knowing where your players should be in the play, not unlike how the Dolphins offense has been run for 2 years now. Batted balls? Has very little correlation with the height of QBs at all, and a lot more to do with staring down receivers and launch point for the ball. Bryce has been good at targeting the middle, he is at his best either in rhythm or scrambling when seeing the receivers either matters less or isn't as hard, and watching Bryce for 3 years now he hasn't had an exceptional number of passes batted down, although I credit that more to his arm angles than launch point. His height is not some disqualifying metric and throughout his career he has largely overcome it.
Weight: Bryce's official weight is 205 but I would bet he plays more 200 or 195. Now like his height this is a pretty extreme outlier, and he is by far the lightest QB in the league. Many fans have fair concerns about the size of players, especially in a game as physically taxing as football. The problem arises when the concern isn't "he is too small to run QB sneak" and more "I would have been concerned dude would be getting beat up too much". There is very little correlation that smaller size in the league equals injury risk, in fact it is the opposite, bigger players are generally more likely to be injured than smaller ones. The truth is that you should be far more concerned about Anthony Richardson's health than Bryce's, and that has already held up for one season. AR had a season ending injury, and in fact got injured in every game he played, Bryce missed one game. The Golden Boy CJ Stroud who has average NFL size missed two games. Levis missed two games. Out of the 4 first round QBs taken in 2023, Bryce has missed the least amount of time and happens to be the smallest player. Now this whole weight thing really is pointless though when trying to predict injury risk, because it isn't weight that matters, it is contact. Big players happen to get injured more than smaller ones not because of the weight, but what the weight invites; contact. Bigger players can take bigger hits and fight for yardage, and the greatest correlator for injury in the NFL is how much contact you are taking, it is why RBs have short lifespans, and why Cam Newton flamed out and Tom Brady lasted for ever. In this context I might be worried for Bryce because he is a scrambling QB and those tend to take more contact than other playstyles, he also does fight for yardage when the game is on the line which is admirable but dangerous. He also has enough athleticism to encourage him to rush which will invite even more contact. These are not unchangeable traits however, Josh Allen a rushing king has openly talked about the running the ball less to preserve his health, Mahomes scrambles all the time and is great at going out of bounds when he needs to. Are these traits unlearnable for Bryce? I doubt it. I would be more concerned about Injury risk if Bryce actually had a major history of injuries in his career, but he doesn't. He missed one game in college due to an awkward fall on his shoulder, please go watch that injury and tell me being 225 would have prevented it. He missed one game in the NFL because he sprained his ankle. Like CJ has already missed the same number of games in the NFL that Bryce has missed his whole career. Watching Bryce for years now he has always been a pass first QB when scrambling, he has also generally been pretty good at getting down when he needs to and not inviting unnecessary contact. He also has a seriously underrated juke ability that helps him avoid some tackles as well. Bryce's weight is not anything I am concerned about at all as far as injuries go, so long as he protects himself as much as possible, he can easily last for many years in spite of his weight.
When criticizing the Panther's pick of Bryce I wish more people would use some actual real criticisms of the player rather than the most surface level nonsense that doesn't hold up. His footwork is unorthodox and weird at the best of times and really bad at the worst. His arm is probably average or even below average for NFL standards and that is not good enough to be elite nowadays. His unshakeable calmness and mental resolve are only the case when he isn't the reason the team is having a bad game. His athleticism is like just enough to get him into trouble, but not enough to get him out of it in the NFL. THESE are real critiques of him I wish people would talk about, but you have to actual dissect them and think about, instead fans can just write him off as "too small" and "too short" and move on. What a shame.
i think he's just too little. But has a brain for the game. Or fuck it who knows.
@ryanhowser5908 Yeah the official numbers are clearly wrong put Bryce young next to a small cornerback and the cb looks huge.
@@JJ-zr6fu Monsters like Cam and Anthony Richardson get hurt...so why wouldn't Bryce?
Now he doesnt run like them - but that pocket can certainly collapse...and culmination of QB Hits over a season can catch up to him...Im not rooting against him...just saying why I would not have taken him.
Favourite phrase of PFF: ''Not trying to take anything away from CJ Stroud''.
All of a sudden it’s a great situation. This team wins 3 games again if Keenum or Mills started, it went from the 7th rated passing offense to 31st the 2 games Stroud was out.
Myles Murphy is leaning to rush from Trey Hendrickson who is a top 5 edge rusher. Ossai is learning from him too. When you watch Trey rush his hands are extremely active and he knows how to use them. All Murphy needed was some
Polish. He is already good
Against the run. He is a really big guy. All Ossai needed was to stay healthy 1 whole year. This is the year for Ossai. You want to talk about explosive? Ossai is a 6’4’’ 258 lbs DE and has a 41.5 inch vertical and an 11 foot broad jump. Boya Mafe is the only other edge with explosion numbers anywhere near Ossais.
Calijah Kancey flashed greatness last year. I think he takes the next step this season with about 8 sacks 15 tfl.
Myles Murphy is a freak athlete. He is 6’5’’ 270 and ran 4.51 at his pro day and 4.53 at the combine. He is much more
Than a power player. Yes he can bull rush you but he is fast around the edge too and has good bend. He has active hands. He is modeling his game on Trey Hendrickson. Myles played less than 300 snaps had 20 tackles and 3 sacks.
Nolan Smith looks small because he is small. At least for an edge rusher he is. He is 6’2’’ 238 lbs. He is classified as an OLB which is an edge rusher for most teams. But the Eagles had Hassan Reddick and he is only 6’2’’ 240 so you can be an edge rusher at that size but so far Reddick has been the exception rather than the rule.
They are liking Anton Harrison down here in Jagland...he played with a bad shoulder last year...some knowledgeable people are expecting BIG things out of him this year and beyond. We shall see.
You want to see how good Myles Murphy is going to be? Watch the Bengals vs Vikings last year. Murphy beats Christian Darrisaw, one of the best OTs in the league, multiple times. Beat him for a sack with a swipe move and got about 6 pressures against him too.
That's why they're not the Unicorn, they're just a fancy horse 😂
Yes Myles Murphy is going to be way better this year. He and Joseph Ossai are going to break out this year. Expect a Bryce Huff type of year from Ossai if he can stay on the field. Murphy looks amazing this year. All that baby fat is gone and he is rocked up big time and he and Ossai are both putting in extra work. Those 2 guys are the future starting DE’s for the Bengals.
Wright played much of the year with one arm
Guys there are starting offensive tackles playing right now that have 32 inch arms. The Falcons RT. The Colts RT. You don’t have to have long arms to play tackle. The Bengals backup LT Jackson Carman has 32 inch arms. Chris Hubbard the Offensive tackle from the 49ers this guy is 6’4’’ 295 has 30.75 inch arms and 9 inch hands. And he plays offensive tackle almost exclusively. So how do you explain that? A guy with sub 31 inch arms.
Chris Hubbard isn't very good though
Myles Murphy should have been taken in the top 10 by the Raiders not Tyree Wilson. And yes Murphy is faster and more explosive than any edge rusher in that class. Including Wil Anderson. Anderson is 6’4’’ 243 and ran 4.60 and a 1.61 10 yard split. Anderson just ran he didn’t do any other tests. Murphy is 6’5’’ 275 lbs ran 4.51 and a 1.59 10 yard split. Both guys have 34 inch arms. Every single edge rusher the Bengals have had in the Taylor era weighed at least 260 lbs. we like bigger edges in Cincinnati.
The offense looked totally different without Stroud last year in both games in concussion protocol...so it really wasn't Slowik or the other guys as much as it was Stroud. Take Mahomes out of the KC offense and it will function...but not like that. Will Anderson is at 260 in minicamp. Looks noticably larger in the lower body.
My problem with NFL talking shows is this: 1- spend the whole pre-draft process saying "Bryce Young is clearly the best QB prospect" 2- when he doesn't pan out, just say "well, if he doesn't work, just draft another QB" with never saying "yeah we were wrong"
Calling him a “prospect” means they maybe wrong. Confused why you need an apology?? If scouting and prospect grading was prefect, everyone would hit on players. You must be a panthers fan.
Oh my god its almost like it’s impossible to be right about every single prospect have you ever thought of that buddy?
i think firing the coaching staff is the organisation admitting they were wrong (very rarely are qb's moved on from 1 season)
probably one of the most pointless things someone has ever typed out
Spot on with this. All the "experts" said Bryce was unreal.... he's a complete shithouse and I said from day 1. Admit you were wrong!!!
lol Sam trying to describe what a verb is. "finesse"..They not teach you that on the Emerald Isle?
42:03 peter Skoronski slander is unacceptable particularly when he lost 20 lbs due to an emergency appendectomy midseason
Yeah, it seems the completely forgot to mention that
I was waiting for one of them to mention that 😂😂
Just more proof they viewing numbers and not researching anything beyond that
You can put ARs injuries on Jonathan Taylor to some degree. He wasn't out there taking some of these hits that AR was taking. AR was basically our best ball carrier during this time, a time when JT was "injured" or holding out or both. Thus, AR takes some hits that will actually be taken by our bellcow back next season. Expect the called QB carries to come down to some degree with 28 in the backfield. Not to say he's not still at risk, but quite a bit less of a risk with another 230+ man taking some licks. IDK why nobody talks about how Anthony had to run more. He was basically our whole offense.
I mean Zach moss was getting quite a few carries and doing pretty good he was top like 2 or 3 in rush yards at one point before Taylor came back
Lol you salty with JT, maybe think about that idiotic owner who also caused the situation lol
@@jadenmoyers837 I feel like we were using AR on need it plays a lot more. Also, he was taking it upon himself in RPOs, too. Might not need to do that as much with JT is what I'm saying.
@@jellyman9013 not salty at all, brother. business is business. just pointing out that AR was running a bit more than will be necessary with a stud like JT in the backfield. Not only will you draw up plays for 28 on need it downs, AR might also find himself not having to be the option on the RPO more often with a more dynamic player in the backfield.
bro your QB isn't suppose to be your best ball carrier Lol
Yes I thought Tyree Wilson was a total zero too. He was not a top 10 draft pick. Not even close. And Myles Murphy was not drafted to start or even play much last year. He was 21 years old last year and he played around 270 snaps and had 20 tackles and 3 sacks. Look for a BIG jump this year from Murphy. Physically he shed all that baby fat that was on him last year and looks chiseled from stone.
These guys hate Stroud and the Texans because they got it so wrong last year lmao. The 2 games Stroud was out, the Texans offense literally halted, but whatever
Sure Stroud means a lot to that husk of a football team, but just because he's the only good player on the 2023 Texans offense doesn't mean he'd be a viable peice on a good team.
@@pdraggyif he was great being the only good player (your words), it’s stupid af to say he wouldn’t be a viable QB on a better team. You invalidated your own argument.
I don't get it how did it take them 2 hours to make this half of the content is filler just get to the point
Colts fan here, I've seen JUST ABOUT enough of AR- he's injury prone. I'll give him one more season but his medicals look like a nightmare!! You didn't see him much cuz he was injured, the NFL is a tougher, meaner league- i don't see him getting a second contract if his injury woes continue.
the bald guy seems mad again. the bills must be looking good this year
Bryce had a bum head coach with ZERO imagination, 10 different starting guards, and his best wr was 32 yrs old… he will do better😂
Panthers improved the offense but seriously downgraded with losing Brian burns and donte Jackson . Mainly burns being gone
Anybody who played madden this year knows Gardeck is the white Lawrence Taylor
The Panthers should have listened to me instead of PFF. I said even before the combine Bryce Young is garbage.
Why does everyone hate on Bijan being picked at 8 but love Gibbs being picked at 12? Gibbs is amazing, can't wait to see his full potential but he's just not in the same tier as Bijan. Bijan is going to be that AP, Barry Sanders, LT type of player.
Facts, crazy he how even got 1500 total yds with by far the worst qb in the league in Desmond Midder lol
@@Cjhilly Not only that but one of, if not, the worst play callers in the league. Arthur Smith under utilized him and he still overly produced. Bijan is going to be special. Set apart from his peers.
It's because the lions traded back from 6 with Arizona and got picks 12 and 34. So they got Gibbs and Laporta who were both huge parts of a great offense. The great offense and offensive line is the other reason for preferring Gibbs. He gets to split carries and could easily be healthy and in Detroit for 8 years. Gibbs is just set up to succeed. I mean look at Kyle Pitts and how much potential is being wasted. And look at this draft with penix. It doesn't look like Atlanta is getting out of mediocrity any time soon
@@nickdarr7328 This gotta be rage bait. If Atlanta passes on Bijan and he and Gibbs are there at 12, Bijan would’ve been a Lion. The Falcons released their Head coach and offensive coordinator then brought in an MVP candidate QB and a Head Coach and Offensive coordinator with a Sean Mcvay system, on top of having a top 5 o-line, top 10 receiver, tight end, and running back (when at full potential) and to add to that, they drafted a potential franchise quarterback to sustain success for the future as well as the short term. Atlanta is already a playoff contender now but will be a superbowl contender in the very near future, look at their trajectory.
@@lovedasoldier Our gm already said Gibbs was his top back in the draft so no bijan would not of been in Detroit and I wouldn't be flexing Super Bowl trajectory when you guys have been mid for 8 straight years while we were only one game away from the actual sb. Congrats on the "MVP candidate" though he always shines on the biggest stage.
Stroud is him
Young will never will 10+ game or pass over 4000 yards lol dudes a bum