@UC4_hROdH7_Oc4CPH7c-E0Rg this B58 is the modular predecessor of the N54/55 but is now closed deck with diesel components shared from the B57 has forged internals and crankshaft with a high pressure fuel system(that's only in the mk5s B58 not BMW's)has more oil squirters than a normal B58,engine is already hitting over 700hp on stock block and internals with a tune,bigger turbo,and downpipe unopened and has yet to hit its limit in hp. Current mk5 record of hp(for RN)is 527hp with only a tune and downpipes so numbers should climb even high as companies continue the R&D for it.
My comment is probably gonna drown in an ocean of other comments, but Steph, if you see this, I want you to know how grateful I am that you are giving us all this knowledge!
Justin Zuniga Had I known that I would have written a more thoughtful message, but I'm sure the amount of likes speaks volumes more of our appreciation for this content.
@@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381 i clicked like for that comment too. I may have a problem with the engine but Stephen is a legend and he didnt have to do this video. You rock stephan and thankyou so much for everything you have and will continue to do for us!
Not really. Many Japanese engines, including the KL series from Mazda, suggest such a mount in the Dealer's OEM service manual. That's from the 90's. Easily impressed?
@@squirrel6687;@mrmannyhw Must remember. Some folks skill are non existent. The genius from old is new or unknown to the new generation. I was happy I could find a bolt and washer to replace an old one. When i saw this I was blown away.
You know what i enjoy most about your videos? You explain everything in a way that even a very amateur home mechanic can understand. Thanks for the great videos!
nonono i read so much more ACTUAL REAL INFORMATION from super duper experts here in the youtube comments. mostly of kids and idiots thinking they could do better and instantly know anything that is wrong with the engine or the supra itself. "this engine will fail. 2JZs NEVER BRAKE even with 500000HP !!!11!!!" or "I am actually 12 years old and saved my milk money. no i have 34,28$ but there is one thing i know for sure. I AM NOT BUYING THAT STUPID PIECE OF SHIT WANNABE SUPRA. FUCK OFF TOYOTA. WONT GET MY MONEY" btw talking about potential a german youtuber and tuner did a video today, where they JUST did software and nothing else, got it up to 420hp & 460lb/ft. 60-120mph in 8 seconds, which is on par with a porsche gt3 rs. but yeah i guess there is no potential, when 65000€ stock + software keeps up with a 200000€ performance sportscar acceleration wise. DAMN TOYOTA YOU DID DO A BAD JOB :(
This is very typical in air to water setups. There is actually a separate heat exchanger mounted up front to receive air flow like a radiator. A water pump, usually and electronic one, then circulates the coolant through the heat exchanger. Then to the aftercooler in the intake manifold. A lot of supercharged cars are this way. I wont be shocked if they do not add a large front mount air to air intercooler as well during the build, or ditch the water cooled setup entirely.
@Cole Fawcett the "other" version of the B58 (m240i and others - the Supra version is a mild step up) is at over 700whp and climbing. Japanese tuners get a hold of this (big market) and 1,000 looks easy. A lot of motors can claim that number, but it's a matter of how much money it costs to get it there. I wouldn't personally want anything more than 500, and that's easy.
This is really cool bro I appreciate you guys taking the time to make these videos.even tho I can’t afford one I like to know how they work.the new technologies they added are very great ideas but we’ll see how well they hold up against the race community
Cutting your own path. Leading for others to follow. This video will become iconic for teaching everyone about this engine. New tools and engine stands will appear because of your work. Great effort.
New tools and new engine stands....Ummmm Toyota and BMW already has them made. He just didnt have them so he made them. Nothing new going on here, but yes the video was very informing.
eddzuki0 the aftermarket in the last 4 years for this engine has not made great progress... most of the power still comes from ECU maps Now opening the engine and learning about it makes the aftermarket being interested in creating modifications for this block
This is very helpful. I have never seen a state of the art engine completely dismantled, like this. When I started out in the trade, we rebuilt engines all the time. These days it is rare. Used engines in acceptable condition are cheap and plentiful. I am impressed that you understand features like the rod bearing caps that were fractured to create a unique surface pattern, such that they would re-assemble more precisely. BMW has been building overhead cam,in-line six cylinder engines now for 100 years. The IIIA was introduced in 1917. Four generations of BMW engineers have worked on this platform. I found it very useful to be walked through the current iteration of the design.
Subscribed! Why did I take 4 years to find this channel! The educational aspect of it had me captivated on all of your Supra videos. So clear and concise. Thank you. I'm looking forward to many more videos. Maybe a Honda K20C tear down or build would be amazing
Im lovin the oil squirt to the bottom of the piston. I first saw this at Drag week 2018. The little engine has a lot of new tech & you're wright, they've made it simple again. Going fast, & living has its give & takes. Thanks
Wondering how this is the first time I’ve seen this guy on CZcams. I remember him big time into the 1990s Honda scene. Holy hell, and he doesn’t even look any different. From Sac Raceway to Palmdale, this guy was at all of the events! Liked and subscribed. 🙌🙌🙌
I think those timing chain last a lifetime with the engine, but if you have to replace it you have to take the engine out and replace everything else too so ...
@@redfowl I'm no mechanic but this thing look hard, u see all the special 4 teeth socket to remove the crankshaft pulley..I'm not a Toyota owner but 2JZ is still boss.. dont give a rat's ass..
1.5 for the PDI...... takes like 3 hrs just to get the NAV unit online......get ready to bend over getting shoved with quailty Toyota warranty times working on this German nightmare.
everyone with toyota certs would have general certs and a good amount of hands on knowledge. you should in theory be able to hand most seasoned techs basically any car and with enough time they'll probably be able to figure it out.
@@shona5512 No they're not. Go work on a MB M112 or M272 motor. They're rather easy. Some weird things here and there but overall not difficult at all.
Working as BMW diagnose technician, i'm very very interested in this project, so subbed. But reading through the comments i'm astounded by the amount of silly misunderstandings. So to straighten out a few: Yes, the B58 is a BMW engine, but Toyota "persueded" BMW to build it this way, to the standards Toyota wanted. Otherwise you'd be looking at the N55 engine now. The B58 (and the entire car) is a BMW-Toyota collab. Add some Italian "feel" to it, and it could be a centerfold in a dirty magazine. Timingchain behind cil 6 is there for weightdistribution. This way the engine can be mounted lower down in the car, shaping the sump around the front subframe, not getting in the way of steeringrack etc, and be further behind the front wheels. So big big performancebenefits from something as simple as timingchains and oilpump at the back of the engine. And with modern silicone sealant leakages are a rarity. I personally have not encountered any timing issues at all with this engine, nor have i heard of any. But yes, if ever there is one, the engine comes out, consuming a lot of time. Can't afford it, don't buy it. Plastic intakemanifolds are the standard this century, for almost all carbrands. Cast alu manifolds started dying out in the late 90s-early 00s. Productioncosts ofcourse, and plastics improved a lot, a whole lot. Same for valvecovers etc. The aluminium versions crack before the plastic ones do. And plastic saves weight over alu. Thinking of all plastics being a pour material is thinking of the past. Having the intakesystem on turbocharged engines as low volume as possible greatly improves turbolag, and therefore efficiency. So the watercooled intercooler, on a separate coolingsystem of max 60*C, ( same temp as air from aircooled intercoolers) in the intakemanifold is smart. offcourse it is used in roadgoing cars. But yes, may be changed for trackcars, but that can't really be a big issue for a proper mechanic. The cilnderhead comes in different versions. Not all have the integrated watercooled exhaustmanifold. Don't know which have what system, but when uprating the engine, the head with the external exhaustmanifold might be worth considering because of extra heatproduction. The integrated cilhead is mainly for efficiency of heatrecovery and -removal depending on current engineworkingconditions. So again very desireable for roaduse. I'll look up the details if i have time. Edit: From the info i have at home: B58B30M1 M stands for Mittel, midrange poweroutput, has the integrated exhaustmanifold. B58B30O1 O for Obere, higherrange poweroutput has an external/ more conventional exhaustmanifold. The coolingmanagementmodule may be out of its comfortzone when B58 produces 1000+ HP, so maybe thats something to look after, but it just might be able to handle M3-kinds of heatproduction 😉. Haven't found any flaws on productioncars with it so far. About the fuel system... Only to be worked on by people who REALLY!!!!!! (Do not risk an near-unstoppable fuelfire!!!) know what they are doing!!! But watching the next the next vid, @PapadakisRacing what's the plan for your system? Using the direct injection or bypassing it and having it indirect only, since thats what your CAD shows? Would like to see how you'd do it. Anyway, love to see more of your project, all the best, Mechanikos
The solution (so far) to many modified direct injection engines that are running out of fuel is to add traditional fuel injectors to the intake side though a modified intake or intake plate. Wonder if they'll go that route.
Great information! One question, why would you want to pull heat out of the exhaust manifold. Unless you’re recovering energy (think bmw has something for this) or the turbine wheel can’t take normal temps, seems unnecessary. What am I missing?
@日産スカイライン you do realise , that apart from drag racing, you rarely ever need that much power. Track driving or drifting usually are happy doing up to 600 hp.
@日産スカイライン *realise, British spelling. Anyway, Formula D, not rarely, have heavily build up engines, really can't call them stock. Reckon once people know the weaknesses of the B58, they will be able to produce said 1k hp. However, for most track driving and "semi serious" drifters, 600 hp is enough. Formula 1 cars V6 produces around 750-780 hp, the rest is produced by its electric engine. Not everyone is a world class driver who earns 10+ million dollars. If you are in said Formula, or Formula D, you will NOT be driving with a stock engine with a massive turbo on it.
日産スカイライン Everyone is comparing this engine to the 2JZ. The bmw engine will easily make 600bhp all day. So if anyone is doubting its ability to "replace" the 2JZ they must be talking about power more then 600hp right?
@日産スカイライン Well then, which engine would you prefer? This is the best inline 6 engine in the world that can comply with modern emissions regulations. Toyota hasn't built decent performance engines in decades. Toyota from the 2JZ days and modern day Toyota are two completely different companies, nowadays BMW is the main authority when it comes to inline 6 performance engines and they have been for decades. BMW is known for the M5 and M2.. whereas Toyota is known for the Prius.
The narrator in this video, has mastered the art of translating mechanical'ese, to comprehend-able English. I actually kinda understood everything he was saying in this video. My hands are all gaw'damn thumbs...
Joel Williams If you understood that part about the intake cam phasing using eccentric shaft, I take my hat off to you, because I just can't seem to get it
hambo I could be wrong, but I believe that’s BMW’s Valvetronic. The second shaft allows for a variable intake valve length. Engineering Explained has a video on it. If it’s what I’m thinking of, the throttle body stays open all the time, and the intake valve opens bigger each rotation as the throttle pedal is pressed. The idea of variable valve length is similar to Nissan’s variable compression engine, where the stroke is variable.
@@Jester123ish probably, I mean I'm not a mechanic just seemed like a bad idea especially with how things went well with those Audi V8s, granted a V8 is more complex than an inline 6.
Ha when i was a kid just able to drive stephan was my biggest role model i followed him thru all the tuner mags that posted content about his builds ans early racing career glad to see him still thriving
They followed ford's truck repair mentality what's that work on the engine pull the cab ohh you wanna do exhaust up pipes for your diesel better pull the cab again
Wow. Thanks to you guys for opening up a new BMW B58 engine for people who don't own one let alone seen one in real life in a 14 minutes video. Good job PapadakisRacing.
Guess how much innovations brings this basic and anonymus engine, besides the 2jz who has potential, sounds better, and was more reliable than bmw engines. Not engineer's business, just someone who doesn't associate "new>better"
I've read so many dumb an uneducated comments by some cod / forza kids, that I am going to take a break from the internet for today. This shit gives me headache...
Man you rock !!!!!! I am so glad and keen to watch your videos so much knowledge and expertise....You are nailing it.. KEEP IT UP BRO WE WANT TO SEE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS...BTW I've already see many videos of yours and still going on ..... YOU ARE SO INSPIRING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LOTS OF RESPECT AND LOVE FOR YOU BRO ...
You want to see drama? Take a gander on the BMW forum and you'll see that all their new engines are having internal issues from rod knocking to chain popping. Shame on toyota for destroying the supra nameplate.
@Omer Ahmed you are one of those chickens who would buy feathers if you believe the BS about toyota reinforced B58. Remember Toyota made mention about them reinforcing the frs Subaru motor and low and behold there is currently a recall on them for internal failures. B58 is more modern than 2j yes but 2j has the edge for being tuner friendly and easy to work on. Go get your b58 and pray I dont see you on the road with my mk4.
I don't know what BMW were thinking by designing a new engine without even consulting all the experts on CZcams! The audacity! Seriously though, this is a brilliant video, new sub right here!
The faceless The B58 is actually part of BMW’s ‘modular’ engines. It shares/lends components to all B series engines. It shares the same block as the B57 3.0 twin/quad turbo engine!
Made me cringe when you were taking the intake cam out. I’m a bmw tech and have had one of those springs snap back on my thumb. Not a good feeling. But this was a great video👍
I was pulling one of the engines apart and was using the tool. The lad next to me doing the same job without the tool. His finger got trapped too. Was funny for me
its crazy how similar this engine is too the 3 and 4 cylinder engines in the bmw's the springs you talk about look the exact same the oil pump, oil filter and so many other bits look exactly the same
@@chrisg4rr377 still wouldn't expect so many parts to be exactly the same, from what I've heard there moving away from the modular baukasten engines and slimming down there engine line up. Think I read it on car throttle or something
Just found your channel, this was the first video I watched, definitely a like and sub from me. This was awesome info and great to see the tear down and the narration was perfect.
This honestly made me give the B58 credit. Very nicely built! Despite the cons of course. Like that timing chain location. OUCH! Leaning towards getting a Supra.
I love the way you describe every piece as it was being taken off.......top notch education. Thank you!
Yep .. Ive learnt more from CZcams than I did in my MACHANICS class.
@UC4_hROdH7_Oc4CPH7c-E0Rg this B58 is the modular predecessor of the N54/55 but is now closed deck with diesel components shared from the B57 has forged internals and crankshaft with a high pressure fuel system(that's only in the mk5s B58 not BMW's)has more oil squirters than a normal B58,engine is already hitting over 700hp on stock block and internals with a tune,bigger turbo,and downpipe unopened and has yet to hit its limit in hp. Current mk5 record of hp(for RN)is 527hp with only a tune and downpipes so numbers should climb even high as companies continue the R&D for it.
I'd say pulling the trans would be the process simply for engine mount reasons. leaving it in the car seems way better than pulling.
My comment is probably gonna drown in an ocean of other comments, but Steph, if you see this, I want you to know how grateful I am that you are giving us all this knowledge!
FastUnderCoverKitGOOGLE boy did you get that one wrong and I’m glad you did!
Justin Zuniga Had I known that I would have written a more thoughtful message, but I'm sure the amount of likes speaks volumes more of our appreciation for this content.
FastUnderCoverKitGOOGLE you can edit it and write more
Who cares
@@fastundercoverkitgoogle7381 i clicked like for that comment too. I may have a problem with the engine but Stephen is a legend and he didnt have to do this video. You rock stephan and thankyou so much for everything you have and will continue to do for us!
These dudes are at just another level. When you are making a bracket for an engine on the fly, that's just madness.
No madness. Just old school machinist skill.
Not really. Many Japanese engines, including the KL series from Mazda, suggest such a mount in the Dealer's OEM service manual. That's from the 90's. Easily impressed?
@@squirrel6687;@mrmannyhw
Must remember. Some folks skill are non existent. The genius from old is new or unknown to the new generation. I was happy I could find a bolt and washer to replace an old one. When i saw this I was blown away.
he went 13 minutes without saying "BMW"
HAHAHA BMW JOKE
Funny.
He didn't have to, it was stamped on almost every part he touched 😂
He was balls deep in a BMW the entire time lol
Ha
Its cool to watch Jonny Sins's and Vin Diesel's cousin working on this engine
Umm... man.... That's Dom Terretto. Now we know he's not just a factory Dodge sponsored crime fighting criminal.
Johnny sins🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lmaooooo
I just google Jonny Sins to see who he was.
I should not have done that :(
johnny who ?
Really enjoyed watching Vin Diesel take it apart as you narrated the video
😁😁😁
I was thinking the same 😂😂
You’re fuck up man lol 😂
Great- no fluff, just a constant flow of interesting information. Well done, thank you!
You know what i enjoy most about your videos? You explain everything in a way that even a very amateur home mechanic can understand. Thanks for the great videos!
I love how the car is new enough that he tore it apart and is now probably one of the most experienced mk5 mechanics
Most experienced MK5 mechanic? Lol You mean he basically just became a typical BMW inline 6 mechanic?
@@Ostentatious24 don't be too naive, he just rebuilt a 2jz weeks ago
@@jdenha7078 He wasn't questioning his skills just that the Supra Is mainly made of BMW parts
@@Ostentatious24 YUP
BMW techs are already the most experienced
You do a great job with your videos.
Good information
Good tempo
Good production
Thank you.
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NO MUSIC.
@@brapbrapbrapbrapbrapbrapbrap lol right!
Dustin Hutchinson
Well said.
even time the whole video is 15 min!
Very well presented! With the confidence and knowledge that comes with years of experience. Hats off to you!
Your talk through was great... Not boring or droning... Very informative and quick to the point but not missing details. I liked it a lot. 👍👍
What a great video!
No BS music just plane information from a qualified guy!
Well done... subbed
Charlie Harper we need more of these kinds of videos
Too bad all the effort was wasted on a Z4. Shoulda done a corvette.
I believe it was car information, not plane information.
nonono i read so much more ACTUAL REAL INFORMATION from super duper experts here in the youtube comments. mostly of kids and idiots thinking they could do better and instantly know anything that is wrong with the engine or the supra itself. "this engine will fail. 2JZs NEVER BRAKE even with 500000HP !!!11!!!" or "I am actually 12 years old and saved my milk money. no i have 34,28$ but there is one thing i know for sure. I AM NOT BUYING THAT STUPID PIECE OF SHIT WANNABE SUPRA. FUCK OFF TOYOTA. WONT GET MY MONEY"
btw talking about potential a german youtuber and tuner did a video today, where they JUST did software and nothing else, got it up to 420hp & 460lb/ft. 60-120mph in 8 seconds, which is on par with a porsche gt3 rs. but yeah i guess there is no potential, when 65000€ stock + software keeps up with a 200000€ performance sportscar acceleration wise. DAMN TOYOTA YOU DID DO A BAD JOB :(
Made it look so easy,,,
I’d be looking at it thinking,,
“What have I done”.
Lol
Haha 'oh no, what have I just done'
woops, There goes my warranty
Good thing he recorded himself doing the entire breakdown!
Oh, boy will girlfriend's Supra ever run again? yikes!
Really thorough and clear explanation of EVERYTHING! Thanks for the effort mate!
As a guy thats new to car mechanics. You make me want to get a lot better, Thanks man
The real Toreto tearing down an engine, wow.
But he didn't say 'family'
@@mezo72271 he said "familia"
Now me and the mad scientist gotta pull apart the block and change the piston rings you fried
He looks like half Toreto, when in trouble he seeks out his twin brother, and fusion HA into Full Toreto
Vin diesel likes fishsticks?
Reads title
*[You Have Provoked A Gang War]*
Fascinating, learnt so much. I have this engine in my m140i, so it’s really good to see such a detailed tear down.
Mr Papadakis is the nr 1 mechanic on CZcams!
The efficiency, the explaining, the easy going through the video.
Nr 1!
I'm very happy this showed up in my recommended list.
Anyone else love the volume being on when he pulls the coils out? lol
Like a ping pong show 😍
Jamie Kulhanek Winona Ryder ☄️
@@Mickey_Bauer hahahahahaha
This is amazing. I was mesmerized and was a mouth breather for 14 minutes.
Extremely informative video, i learned so much about this new generation of Supras and about Engines in general.
: world you can’t put a intercooler inside the manifold
Bmw - hold my schnitzel.
Thechristopherryan actually many American companies does
The PLASTIC manifold
@@Rubendybs sounds like something a bmw owner would say
This is very typical in air to water setups. There is actually a separate heat exchanger mounted up front to receive air flow like a radiator. A water pump, usually and electronic one, then circulates the coolant through the heat exchanger. Then to the aftercooler in the intake manifold. A lot of supercharged cars are this way. I wont be shocked if they do not add a large front mount air to air intercooler as well during the build, or ditch the water cooled setup entirely.
@@KrashKan subaru sti tingssss
Wait a second... 1000 horsepower, new Supra, B58.
So, Aasbo is getting a new car? XD
RDS Alphard Wouldn’t that be something!
Could be for his Norway car.
there's already one being tested. its either ken gushi or daijiro yoshihara.
Reality? Yes but that one is running a 2jz. I’m really curious to see what the new engine is capable of
@Cole Fawcett the "other" version of the B58 (m240i and others - the Supra version is a mild step up) is at over 700whp and climbing. Japanese tuners get a hold of this (big market) and 1,000 looks easy. A lot of motors can claim that number, but it's a matter of how much money it costs to get it there. I wouldn't personally want anything more than 500, and that's easy.
Stephen, your the very best engine Builder on the planet! Thank you so much for your detailed explanation of what your doing. God bless you sir
This is really cool bro I appreciate you guys taking the time to make these videos.even tho I can’t afford one I like to know how they work.the new technologies they added are very great ideas but we’ll see how well they hold up against the race community
Cutting your own path. Leading for others to follow. This video will become iconic for teaching everyone about this engine. New tools and engine stands will appear because of your work.
Great effort.
SketchyDJM why will it bmw fans have been modifying these for ages
New tools and new engine stands....Ummmm Toyota and BMW already has them made. He just didnt have them so he made them. Nothing new going on here, but yes the video was very informing.
eddzuki0 the aftermarket in the last 4 years for this engine has not made great progress... most of the power still comes from ECU maps
Now opening the engine and learning about it makes the aftermarket being interested in creating modifications for this block
Not in a million years would I be able to put that back together
Exactly my thoughts
Doesn't look too hard. Just like any other engines, follow sequence and torque specs. Other than the modified engine stand, just a few special tools.
Doesn't seem too difficult tbh
Its actually relatively easy to do. Ive only taken apart old ls drag blocks before but this is much simpler than old ls6 ss blocks
I can do it with my eyes closed.
This is very helpful. I have never seen a state of the art engine completely dismantled, like this. When I started out in the trade, we rebuilt engines all the time. These days it is rare. Used engines in acceptable condition are cheap and plentiful. I am impressed that you understand features like the rod bearing caps that were fractured to create a unique surface pattern, such that they would re-assemble more precisely. BMW has been building overhead cam,in-line six cylinder engines now for 100 years. The IIIA was introduced in 1917. Four generations of BMW engineers have worked on this platform. I found it very useful to be walked through the current iteration of the design.
Subscribed! Why did I take 4 years to find this channel! The educational aspect of it had me captivated on all of your Supra videos. So clear and concise. Thank you. I'm looking forward to many more videos. Maybe a Honda K20C tear down or build would be amazing
I'd be able to put it back together piece of cake the hard bit would be knowing what do to with all the parts I had left over 🤣
Lmao this is actually the best comment on this channel
Well, for me it would be all in a days work.
Hey man, less parts means lighter weight.
weight reduction b r o o
Hahaha story of my life.
Yay, timing chain on the rear of the engine. Servicing is going to be soooo much fun... 🤦♀️🤦♂️
Unless something goes really wrong, you don't need to change it.
@@Pogaspm ...or you need to change cams etc.
It’s really easy with the right tools
@@fatcatsgang it's even easier when you have a lot of money
@@fatcatsgang Nothing easy about having to pull a motor to change your timing chain. Super inefficient design. Otherwise the motor seems decent.
Im lovin the oil squirt to the bottom of the piston. I first saw this at Drag week 2018. The little engine has a lot of new tech & you're wright, they've made it simple again. Going fast, & living has its give & takes. Thanks
Wondering how this is the first time I’ve seen this guy on CZcams. I remember him big time into the 1990s Honda scene. Holy hell, and he doesn’t even look any different. From Sac Raceway to Palmdale, this guy was at all of the events! Liked and subscribed. 🙌🙌🙌
"rotary valve"
Rx-7 owners:
*Brap brap brap intensifies*
im suprised those mumble rappers havent used the rotary engine sounds in their music.
TimmyDoesGFX cause those guys don’t even know what that even is 😂
*rebuild flashback intensifies*
Im dead😂
hahahaha
I can’t believe you took that whole engine apart in only 14 minutes and 19 secs.
Yeah thats so fast
It’s filmed in fast motion
Big brain moment
LOL!!!!!!
MikkaPower small brain bad
MikkaPower r/woooosh
damn this is such a cool video.. super professional as well! good job to whoever filmed and edited it.
Awesome job What a teamwork!!! From the beginning to end I love everything's guy do
Can’t talk, busy tearing down my BRAND NEW engine!
zachary paris research and development my dude
So he can make a better than new engine!
3 year old engine* fixed it.
“The engineers have simplified everything down again”
“The timing chain is in between the transmission and the engine”
Josh Ribeiro lol
For real right.
I think those timing chain last a lifetime with the engine, but if you have to replace it you have to take the engine out and replace everything else too so ...
@@redfowl I'm no mechanic but this thing look hard, u see all the special 4 teeth socket to remove the crankshaft pulley..I'm not a Toyota owner but 2JZ is still boss.. dont give a rat's ass..
@@richardknight307 the 2jz is also a pain in the ass. Just because you need a few tools. Doesnt make it a pain.
Great walk through, amazing job! Thanks for posting these.
I have a 340i with the b58 and i cant tell you how helpful this video is! Helps me understand my car better
Toyota service manager: "I need u to do *literally anything* to this mk5 supra"
Toyota tech: "say sike right now"
LMAOO
Everything is gonna pay 8 hours minimum lol
1.5 for the PDI...... takes like 3 hrs just to get the NAV unit online......get ready to bend over getting shoved with quailty Toyota warranty times working on this German nightmare.
everyone with toyota certs would have general certs and a good amount of hands on knowledge.
you should in theory be able to hand most seasoned techs basically any car and with enough time they'll probably be able to figure it out.
Best comment here!!!!!
Mercedes and Audi: “We are the hardest cars to work on”
BMW: “Hold my Timing Chain”
Yeah no Mercedes are still the most difficult to work on. Particularly the diesel V6s
@@shona5512 No they're not. Go work on a MB M112 or M272 motor. They're rather easy. Some weird things here and there but overall not difficult at all.
ThinkkOps the Audi v8 has the impossibly complicated timing chain and assembly on the back of the engine as well
audi and benz have both used a timing chain in the back 😂
Zack Behen gotta love having to take the engine engine out just to put in a new timing chain.
Love these video, normally I skip scenes but loved the detail explanation on everything
Great work man, first video that I have seen were the explaining and video is fun and not boring
Working as BMW diagnose technician, i'm very very interested in this project, so subbed.
But reading through the comments i'm astounded by the amount of silly misunderstandings. So to straighten out a few:
Yes, the B58 is a BMW engine, but Toyota "persueded" BMW to build it this way, to the standards Toyota wanted. Otherwise you'd be looking at the N55 engine now. The B58 (and the entire car) is a BMW-Toyota collab. Add some Italian "feel" to it, and it could be a centerfold in a dirty magazine.
Timingchain behind cil 6 is there for weightdistribution. This way the engine can be mounted lower down in the car, shaping the sump around the front subframe, not getting in the way of steeringrack etc, and be further behind the front wheels. So big big performancebenefits from something as simple as timingchains and oilpump at the back of the engine. And with modern silicone sealant leakages are a rarity. I personally have not encountered any timing issues at all with this engine, nor have i heard of any. But yes, if ever there is one, the engine comes out, consuming a lot of time. Can't afford it, don't buy it.
Plastic intakemanifolds are the standard this century, for almost all carbrands. Cast alu manifolds started dying out in the late 90s-early 00s. Productioncosts ofcourse, and plastics improved a lot, a whole lot. Same for valvecovers etc. The aluminium versions crack before the plastic ones do. And plastic saves weight over alu. Thinking of all plastics being a pour material is thinking of the past.
Having the intakesystem on turbocharged engines as low volume as possible greatly improves turbolag, and therefore efficiency. So the watercooled intercooler, on a separate coolingsystem of max 60*C, ( same temp as air from aircooled intercoolers) in the intakemanifold is smart. offcourse it is used in roadgoing cars. But yes, may be changed for trackcars, but that can't really be a big issue for a proper mechanic.
The cilnderhead comes in different versions. Not all have the integrated watercooled exhaustmanifold. Don't know which have what system, but when uprating the engine, the head with the external exhaustmanifold might be worth considering because of extra heatproduction. The integrated cilhead is mainly for efficiency of heatrecovery and -removal depending on current engineworkingconditions. So again very desireable for roaduse. I'll look up the details if i have time.
Edit:
From the info i have at home:
B58B30M1 M stands for Mittel, midrange poweroutput, has the integrated exhaustmanifold.
B58B30O1 O for Obere, higherrange poweroutput has an external/ more conventional exhaustmanifold.
The coolingmanagementmodule may be out of its comfortzone when B58 produces 1000+ HP, so maybe thats something to look after, but it just might be able to handle M3-kinds of heatproduction 😉. Haven't found any flaws on productioncars with it so far.
About the fuel system... Only to be worked on by people who REALLY!!!!!! (Do not risk an near-unstoppable fuelfire!!!) know what they are doing!!! But watching the next the next vid, @PapadakisRacing what's the plan for your system? Using the direct injection or bypassing it and having it indirect only, since thats what your CAD shows? Would like to see how you'd do it.
Anyway, love to see more of your project, all the best,
Mechanikos
@Rico so read again
@Rico read the comment first
The solution (so far) to many modified direct injection engines that are running out of fuel is to add traditional fuel injectors to the intake side though a modified intake or intake plate. Wonder if they'll go that route.
@@djaric They showed a little in the next vid, so i'm just curious about the details too.
Great information! One question, why would you want to pull heat out of the exhaust manifold. Unless you’re recovering energy (think bmw has something for this) or the turbine wheel can’t take normal temps, seems unnecessary. What am I missing?
Guys This dude just opend unscrewd the whole engine and didn't lose any parts....
They didnt show him clearing out the rats nest of tubes and wires
Ya he did an good job taking it an part
AND he takes the engine to another room to work on it, THAT IS SOME NEXT LEVEL SHIT.
Yeah....it's called not being a mouth breathing twat.
Some people are capable of putting stuff back together too.
Where was my slow mind I could have lost every bolts and nuts within 5 seconds
This was so awesome! Very educational. My son and I enjoyed watching your videos. Thanks for sharing.
This is an all-time video. Thanks for the rundown!
Those Forza-playing 14-year-olds will NOT be pleased to hear that you said positive things about this BMW engine
CRA_55 💀💀💀
😂😂 best comment I've read all day 😂😂
I clicked on the video for comments like "Nothing is better than the 2jzzzzzzz. 2jz best engine, none better" and stuff like that😂
And BMW fanboys who collect others trash would enjoy hearing good things about this trashy engine
@@BF109G4 Found one lol
Awesome, thank you Stephan for spending money and effort to make this video.
Someone else spent the money. Def a customer car
The content on this channel is some of the best on youtube for cars. Excellent stuff
Always a pleasure watching your quality videos.
Internet experts: This engine is POS.
Actual race car builder: I'm pretty impressed
Says a lot doesnt it
@日産スカイライン you do realise , that apart from drag racing, you rarely ever need that much power. Track driving or drifting usually are happy doing up to 600 hp.
Auugh Literally all Formula Drift cars are 1000+ bhp...
@日産スカイライン *realise, British spelling. Anyway, Formula D, not rarely, have heavily build up engines, really can't call them stock. Reckon once people know the weaknesses of the B58, they will be able to produce said 1k hp. However, for most track driving and "semi serious" drifters, 600 hp is enough.
Formula 1 cars V6 produces around 750-780 hp, the rest is produced by its electric engine. Not everyone is a world class driver who earns 10+ million dollars. If you are in said Formula, or Formula D, you will NOT be driving with a stock engine with a massive turbo on it.
日産スカイライン Everyone is comparing this engine to the 2JZ. The bmw engine will easily make 600bhp all day. So if anyone is doubting its ability to "replace" the 2JZ they must be talking about power more then 600hp right?
@日産スカイライン Well then, which engine would you prefer? This is the best inline 6 engine in the world that can comply with modern emissions regulations. Toyota hasn't built decent performance engines in decades. Toyota from the 2JZ days and modern day Toyota are two completely different companies, nowadays BMW is the main authority when it comes to inline 6 performance engines and they have been for decades. BMW is known for the M5 and M2.. whereas Toyota is known for the Prius.
The narrator in this video, has mastered the art of translating mechanical'ese, to comprehend-able English.
I actually kinda understood everything he was saying in this video. My hands are all gaw'damn thumbs...
Joel Williams If you understood that part about the intake cam phasing using eccentric shaft, I take my hat off to you, because I just can't seem to get it
@@hambo6713 all i got was the shaft part....
hambo I could be wrong, but I believe that’s BMW’s Valvetronic. The second shaft allows for a variable intake valve length. Engineering Explained has a video on it. If it’s what I’m thinking of, the throttle body stays open all the time, and the intake valve opens bigger each rotation as the throttle pedal is pressed.
The idea of variable valve length is similar to Nissan’s variable compression engine, where the stroke is variable.
More thumbs might be really helpful for texting.....
@@gonzomuse Nah man, hitchhike'n!
Really love the narration and how it explains everything!
Thank you so much man! Amazing video! Definitely well put together
Timing chain in the back...... sounds like an expensive repair.
(4.2 litre Audi)
It would typically be an engine out operation to replace the chain and guides, I'm thinking this is actually easier, less accessories in the way.
@@Jester123ish probably, I mean I'm not a mechanic just seemed like a bad idea especially with how things went well with those Audi V8s, granted a V8 is more complex than an inline 6.
You are right, this engine is so complicated
Chains should never need replacement. By the time it needs replacement the engine needs a full overhaul and rebuild anyway.
Audi put it in the back also for weight. On the new Audi’s they also reduced the cam gear size but added a heavy Partikel Filter
Renowned engine builder: compliments engine
People on the internet: sHoUlD bE a 2jZ
Well yeah should've been a Toyota engine. That's true.
AWOL the 2j wasn’t a “Toyota” engine either. But I get what you’re saying.
@@peterp1552 huh 2 j not a Toyota engine???
The 2JZ was designed by Yamaha. Like what the hell. Are you really that dumb?
R rgiaramsingh@gmail.com Toyota partnered with Yamaha to create the 2jz
Ha when i was a kid just able to drive stephan was my biggest role model i followed him thru all the tuner mags that posted content about his builds ans early racing career glad to see him still thriving
You're awesome, I love your teaching style straight forward and really easy to follow! Thank you!
If I was taking this engine apart I'd still be hovering over the engine with my flathead screwdriver.
Hahaha too afraid and confused to even begin😅😅😂
Same, except that I would also be crying.
@@keithw4920 that's me with everything
I would have took it apart easily but then start crying when I try to put it back together.
What a mess
This guy: the engine is simpler than the older ones... Me, when they remove the engine cover: Holy God...
Ya
Yeah, a real nest of snakes.
Lmao , indeed xD
He meant the way you take out the engine. Which I agree with. Bunch of bolt on parts that hold everything together. Very cool.
I know right...this thing is mind blowing compared to a Toyota JZ
One hell of a project, congratulations!
Great video !! I was looking for something about my MCS 2.0 B48 engine and found this. Superb !
Timing service? Pull the motor.
Cam swap? Pull the motor.
The curse of impressive packaging.
They followed ford's truck repair mentality what's that work on the engine pull the cab ohh you wanna do exhaust up pipes for your diesel better pull the cab again
My thoughts exactly! This motor looks like a complete pain in the ass.
I didn’t see any dipstick either.
good luck to the basic toyota techs who will have no idea how to work on this engine
German engineering.
Wow. Thanks to you guys for opening up a new BMW B58 engine for people who don't own one let alone seen one in real life in a 14 minutes video. Good job PapadakisRacing.
Ty man love to see those engines take a part!
Just found your channel today good sir. Quality content! Love it.
CZcams done right. Thanks for taking the plunge on a fresh motor and making a very informative, well-structured video!
"This engine uses direct injection"
Me: *has ptsd from my n54*
Relax,you see how simple the HPFP is now, and the injectors look simple AF
The N54 from a decade ago made the B58 possible today. Lessons learned and technology improved.
Lmfao
@CLP Are you forgetting that it took TWELVE DIFFERENT revisions of fuel injector for BMW to find a design that worked? That's what I'm referring to.
Its cool, but my brain hurts just watching this haha
Right?? My goal is to learn more about transmissions/engines this year
It’s sad but if we don’t keep up with the new technology we’ll be left behind ...
This is an extremely simple modern engine. If this confuses you, stick to 90s cars haha.
@@Supremxcyxi yeah it was pretty simple
Great video man! And after watching this, it’s makes me love my Supra even more! 🤣
Jeff Bezos reverse engineering Toyota engines so he can make an Amazon basics supra.
LMFAO, best comment on CZcams
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Vijay Zakhiev This is funny.
Wow hilarious lol
I believe it is a BMW engine...
The comment section is the international meeting for mechanical engineers.
Not very talented ones, it sems
That shit made me laugh do hard 😂
Guess how much innovations brings this basic and anonymus engine, besides the 2jz who has potential, sounds better, and was more reliable than bmw engines. Not engineer's business, just someone who doesn't associate "new>better"
I've read so many dumb an uneducated comments by some cod / forza kids, that I am going to take a break from the internet for today. This shit gives me headache...
Greeting from a mechanical engineer 😛
Wow! Thats a mechanical marvel! Awesome engineering. Looking forward to the build, great video!
This is awesome and so detailed. Keep it coming!
Well there goes the warranty 😂🤣😂. Very cool, thanks for the peak inside 👍😎👍
Steph IS the warranty. 3x over
@@fakealexstrong I'm well aware of this my dude, I've been following him since the late 90s back before drifting was even a thing in America.
JustSome PYRO Right on bro 🤙🏽🤙🏽 I started following in the Tanner foust days 👍🏽
@- whoami - 1000hp, I'd say so!!!
@- whoami - that corolla engine is so baller. I was impressed by that build.
*blows it up*
"What do you mean its not under warranty???"
Trashy 2jz? Are you dumb!?
@@IamBATMAN2024 yes he is. He knows nothing about the 2jz apparently.
@Richard Ren yeah those engines couldnt take anything
MadStyle 2JZ is trash for real
@Richard Ren you can't blow up* not you can't blew up. Thats all, have a great day! :D
Man you rock !!!!!! I am so glad and keen to watch your videos so much knowledge and expertise....You are nailing it.. KEEP IT UP BRO WE WANT TO SEE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS...BTW I've already see many videos of yours and still going on ..... YOU ARE SO INSPIRING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST LOTS OF RESPECT AND LOVE FOR YOU BRO ...
Really liked your video on this new motor. Looking forward to the next one
For a regular owner, hope you never have a timing chain issue. Its gonna be EXPENSIVE.
MarioLoco03 agreed😅
Disassemble car to pull engine
You want to see drama? Take a gander on the BMW forum and you'll see that all their new engines are having internal issues from rod knocking to chain popping. Shame on toyota for destroying the supra nameplate.
@Omer Ahmed what weak points have they rectified? during all disassembly i don't see any rectifications done to BMW engine
@Omer Ahmed you are one of those chickens who would buy feathers if you believe the BS about toyota reinforced B58. Remember Toyota made mention about them reinforcing the frs Subaru motor and low and behold there is currently a recall on them for internal failures. B58 is more modern than 2j yes but 2j has the edge for being tuner friendly and easy to work on. Go get your b58 and pray I dont see you on the road with my mk4.
I don't know what BMW were thinking by designing a new engine without even consulting all the experts on CZcams! The audacity!
Seriously though, this is a brilliant video, new sub right here!
its not a new engine lol B58
But but it's A SUPRA. IT'S A TOYOTA! 🤣🤣
@@11venomer lol
You are the man. Super comprehensive tear down.
Awesome I'm really enjoying watching the engine teardown thanks man👍
“It’s actually simpler...”
cut to: massive mess of crazy wiring , hoses and plastic spiderweb intake manifold 😂
I think he meant the modularity. It didn't look too bad, it's nice to remove big chunks of several parts rather than a ton of small pieces.
The faceless you’re right... I was just giving him a hard time. This video was actually super interesting because I could never afford to do this.
@@MurderMostFowl right?! Still under warranty and everything
to be fair, the 2JZ-GTE has got a crap ton of hoses and wires on top too
The faceless The B58 is actually part of BMW’s ‘modular’ engines. It shares/lends components to all B series engines. It shares the same block as the B57 3.0 twin/quad turbo engine!
B58 BMW engine.
Snapon has the 12point 14mm that is thin walled enough to remove the plugs.
Very elegant engine.
Closed deck block..
It helps to use a wobble extension too.
Probably wants about $200 for that one socket
@@pmoua08 yea man 10$ on amazon.
nibot kram no they don’t, especially not with spark plugs that are barelly tightented
pmoua08 around $43
Without doubt one of the coolest video's I've watched on youtube! 👍
Amazing set up with that engine from the cooling to the internal intercooler and that engine oil cooler . I had no idea till now
Made me cringe when you were taking the intake cam out. I’m a bmw tech and have had one of those springs snap back on my thumb. Not a good feeling. But this was a great video👍
Dude my blood was boiling with that
I was pulling one of the engines apart and was using the tool. The lad next to me doing the same job without the tool. His finger got trapped too. Was funny for me
its crazy how similar this engine is too the 3 and 4 cylinder engines in the bmw's the springs you talk about look the exact same the oil pump, oil filter and so many other bits look exactly the same
@@parteepro its all modular now mate. It makes more sense to make one part thats used on everything. Makes them more money
@@chrisg4rr377 still wouldn't expect so many parts to be exactly the same, from what I've heard there moving away from the modular baukasten engines and slimming down there engine line up. Think I read it on car throttle or something
Timing chain in the back ...
Audi 4.2 V8 flashback
I was thinking the same thing LMAO
That's a car you don't want to own past a timing chain service...
have done timing on those and the VR6, i share the same concern.
Iron Duke was a great motor
Fuck those soooo hard!
Just found your channel, this was the first video I watched, definitely a like and sub from me. This was awesome info and great to see the tear down and the narration was perfect.
You gotta admire the depth of engineering that goes into cars.
I can only imagine the bag of parts I’d have left after Reassembling !
Lol true. Being honest it’s actually pretty easy if you take it apart yourself and keep things sorted
Lmao I legit always have leftovers
@@jonthelamb4549 ' 😂0😂
How you take it apart is what matters. Mechanics who throw everything in a box are making work for themselves.
Weight reduction
My god! This is the *best* video I've ever seen, anywhere! Short, concise, actual real information, and the narration was fantastic. Thank you!
Pretty bad ass video packed with spot on commentary!
This honestly made me give the B58 credit. Very nicely built! Despite the cons of course. Like that timing chain location. OUCH!
Leaning towards getting a Supra.