Pex VS Copper Plumbing | Proof That Pex Is Better In Every Way | THE HANDYMAN |
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I run copper because once it does start breaking down, it detoxifies water. Plastic offgasses and bleeds off estrogen into the water which is one of the reasons why I refuse to use plastic piping. Is there not a way to get thicker copper pipes? It's a shame silver piping couldn't be affordable to use plumbing a home...
Hey handy man I have a question do you prefer crimp pex or the expansion pex? The reason I ask is because with the crimp all though it is a little cheaper considering you don't have to purchase the expansion tool but why i ask is because I never could really tell a difference when it's just a couple repairs but I do notice a slight difference when replacing or running new and using around 20 or more fittings. I also notice having very few or almost no repairs through winter installs with the expansions or the lock in place versus the crimp
I was a long-time copper guy, not a pro by any means, but very familiar with it. 3 years ago, I bought a now 100-year-old home, very solid, but with galvanized plumbing, with some gnarly copper grafted on in places. Yes, copper to galvanized horrors. I went to my local HD, worked with a retired Master, and he walked me through the plusses and minuses. 'Buy this, don't buy that, it's junk.' I had made a map of what I needed. He spent nearly an hour with me and I bought all the PEX tubing, crimper, brass fittings, valves, etc. I had access to the piping from the basement. I ripped it all out easily. It took me 2 days, but it came out great, no leaks! Way easier than I thought. Easy to run the lines, do the crimping, make the connections to the water heater, and I added a water softener, (shark-bites on those braided hoses) plus replaced the 2 outside hose bibs with modern frost-free sillcock valves. Best decision I ever made.
Uponor pex
If you’re going to use shark bites, take a look at their pipe repair fitting that slides over the pipe and then slides back over the cut out leak to complete the repair. Called a slip fitting.
Just started the video and I’m excited because I was just talking about this today.
I just liked how sturdy copper is, I don't feel like I'm going to break it. But then I saw online the beauty sleeves that you can put on pex that also keep you from bending it too much when changing water valves/lines. My old man is stubborn though, when he got in the business there was copper and no sharkbites, so to him it's still copper and no sharkbites.
Redoing the entire water system in a manufactured home I recently bought with PEX-A, converting from copper, galvanized steel, and some bits and pieces of various other parts.
I chose PEX-A because you can't fail to secure fittings, cost, and it's ability to expand and revert to its original shape. With a manufactured home, freezing lines is a larger concern, so I am happy to mitigate the odds of burst lines.
what turned me onto the pex was all the campers and trailers use pex. if it workes in campers that are being beat around on the roads it should work fine just sitting in your home.
My uncle taught me how to sweat copper in my 1920 house when we replaced all the galvanized, 20 years ago. I asked him at the time about PEX and CPVC and he said he was old school and knew only copper--so that's what we used. Saved me thousands from hiring a plumber. But nostalgia aside copper is expensive and a huge PIA to sweat especially in tight places, and you need to plan all your bends and tees well in advance. And in my case my acidic water is rotting it for the inside out. . . .Now I'm replacing all the bits as needed with PEX. I love it and I am like a monkey when it comes to my plumbing skills.
8:02 That sticker on the copper pipe shows that it's M copper, which is the wrong type for water lines. L copper is the correct type, because it has a thicker wall.
That's what you get when you get a Master Plumber to work on your projects.
@@TheHandyman1 ... As long as you're willing to pay, that is...
@Robert Swaine non potable water... It was code in Cali decades ago til type "L" came out now that's the standard.. I worked at a Plumbing supply house before opening my company and I will hardly use pex only when no access can be done with copper or customer request but NOTHING beats copper to me.. I'll use propress copper fittings b4 pex especially area where rats are an issue. they'll bite right thru that cpvc with ease.
Type m is used for hydronic heating systems
For the last 20-25 years almost everyone has been running Type M, it's about cost and the fact that the plumber will be retired before it fails. You can use type m copper but it doesn't last as long, 25-30 is all you can expect to get out of type m copper before you start getting pinholes and failed joints. Some jurisdictions don't permit type M for waterlines but most do.
I use expansion pex because that is what my house was already repiped with at some point. I added a bathroom in my basement and bought all of the tools/fittings and plumbing the water lines was super easy with pex and has been fine so far. I'll probably continue to use it in the future.
You can freeze pex and it won't break a majority of the time😎
i’m a pex man but soldering copper can be fun if everything is dry. the only thing you might have done wrong is create some discontinuity if the copper is being used as a ground for the electrical. Only occurs to me because i may be in breach with a pex manifold myself.😂
good info on the deburring- cheap insurance.
I currently fall on the copper side, primarily because that is what I have at home and what I've worked with in the past. I can see the benefits of PEX though.
Sharkbite push fittings are great for repair in tight places. Crimp is great if your going to be doing a large job. Crimp fittings are inexpensive, the crimping tool is pricey but again if you're doing a large job, it pays for itself.
Thanks for the video =)
PEX Crimp Connections cost less.
Never knew about the sharkbite deburring pipe and depth gauge tool or remover tool.
Great video Handyman !!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😇😇😇😇😇
Copper 💯💯💯.....
Rats eat through pex to get at water, can't do that with copper. Pin holes with copper wayyyyy less likely.
I live in the greater Chicago area. All of the building codes are designed to require the maximum labor to install. So we have sweated copper supply lines and solid steel electrical conduit and switch boxes. I switched to PEX a couple of years ago for projects initially due to speed, but I believe that it is superior to copper. I still use some copper plumbing though, I use the copper crimp rings on the PEX brass fittings.
I think copper and cast are used in city’s because the rats would chew that pex in a minute 😂😂
Excellent
I saved a $ 1400 estimate from a plumber using press to fit sharkbites just to tee off existing pex pipes to supply an outdoor hose spigot - no way. After 3 years no problems. Pex pipe is fantastic.
Would a water softener or water conditioning system help prevent the copper line leaks from happening?
Crescent wrench can be used to slide off the sharkbite too
We use pex just to keep the tweekers away from the material.
IT’S GO TIME!!!!!
Per A with the Milwaukee expansion tool for me.
Pex, it's so easy to cut and to work with however I wouldn't use sharkbite connectors not just yet.
I have to qualify myself in a few ways. I do this only for the testimony I will right here. Pex is not only a great product, but it will also eliminate the possible exposure of lead in our drinking water. Where does the lead come from? Our plumbing in many of our homes have copper pipes and the joints are assembled with tin lead solder. Copper cannot be relied on to be exposed to city water and not corrode. As there are pH swings in our annual water supplies. Pex, however eliminates the corrosion from city water, so there is no possibilities of corrosion because there is no metal to corrode.
I am not a supplier or getting paid in anyway for this testimonial.
The old engineer, Chet
Pex leaches chemicals just like plastic bottles
Love Sharkbite and pex, they make everything so much easier. Like everything else, You just have to use them correctly. Its nice that the latest building code have approved Sharkbite for use in walls and underground.
You made a video about 3 years ago (Wire Nuts Vs Push In Electrical Connections) where you compare push in electrical connections to sharkbites. Near the end of the video you mention that you’ve taken apart 5 year old sharkbites and they’re clearly not as functional as new sharkbites (because the metal tabs were pushed back). This recent video gives a lot of support to PEX and sharkbite, so I’m wondering if your view of the tabs’ weakness has changed. I watched the old video thinking I should stay away from sharkbite and I watch the new one thinking it’s the best/easiest product I could use, so I’m not sure what to go with.
@7:41 Nice Rolex Handyman 😉
Pex is my go tool always hated copper soldering and I use sharkbite but if u do it right it will last
I have nothing but good things to say about you and your videos, and thanks for this one and so many others. As I watched it I wondered about the house or garage or kitchen or what is that place you are filming in? Did you recycle some cabinets from a kitchen job and put them in your garage? I can't figure it out!
Its my workshop. Its a 20x30 building that is on my property. The cabinets came from a kitchen remodel I did a few years ago.
@@TheHandyman1 Ah! Makes perfect sense, thank you!
I’m rehabbing my forever home… I’m running copper in all the walls and 1” and 3/4” PEX in the crawl space. So, if we find out in 30 years pex is the next butyl it’s all accessible.
Great Job Hack
After 26 yrs I’ve separated the three story’s of my house plumbing. I can shut off each level without effecting the other floors.
copper pros: time proven, durable, antibacterial, universal. copper cons: expensive, loud when water flows through, gets attacked by certain types of bad water. pex pros: quiet, cheap, resistant to most water conditions, easy to install. pex cons: not as durable, not time proven, can get brittle when old, gets degraded by certain chemicals
PEX has been used Europe since the 1970s and in the United States since the 1980s, initially for radiant heating. Its market share increased as builders and consumers began to use it for residential water distribution in the 1990s.
Don't forget sunlight, pex don't do well in the sunshine
Don't forget rodents. They chew right through Pex.
@RWM55 Yea, sunlight, I forgot to mention that.
@Billy Syms I've heard of that, but only from the internet. Or from somebody who knows somebody it's happened to, but I've never actually heard it from somebody directly.
What was the reason for calling in a plumber for that one?
I'm an old guy and have always Done copper. I have used shark bites with no problems yet. I have yet to install any pex. I've connected copper to pex. I've seen many pin holes in copper and many leaks in plastic pipe. My personal preference is copper but cost is so sky high that unfortunately pex may be the only option for some situations. I'm only commercial handy man so cost hasn't gotten me yet. I can see homeowners never paying for that copper. As for shark bites I use them when convenient and view them as future business 10 years down the road when the o ring fails. More that 4 fittings I use copper fittings instead of shark bites.
That Green Stuff you see thats eating the pipe is a ACIDIC Flux called C FLUX. That's what happens when they dont wipe the fitting and pipe as its getting installed. The little dots are caused by touching the pipe with C Flux on your hand etc.
C flux Pros = No sanding of copper needed, can be soldered on the dirtiest of pipes and the fittings almost never leak (when first applied)
C Flux Cons = Its ACIDIC it will burn your skin, and it will Degrade copper pipes if not wiped Clean with a rag after soldering, including wiping the pipe and solder joints.
Lol. Imagine paying someone to fix your plumbing and they pull out the sharkbites
I have no dog in the fight, but I enjoy soldering
Sharkbite would only be used for emergency/temp repair at any property I own, and I own several. My reason, I have done mechanic work for 50 years, and every fitting that has an O-ring fails much sooner than ones without. It may take a few years, but I will get the last laugh at all those leaks from o-rings being used today. A young plumber today, will be kept busy in the future from all those leaks.
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Pex is awesome to install. No doubt. It does come with warning labels about health concerns however. And just how plastic bottles leach chemicals into water bottles that get really hot, sorta got to wonder what is going on with hot water lines that are pex.
PEX does not contain BPA, and there is no conclusive evidence that PEX leaches any sort of harmful chemicals into the water.
Pex is an acronym for cross linked polyethylene - if you're worried about getting contaminated then you better stop buying catsup, mayo, mustard, basically anything in plastic - might gitcha!
@@rwm5518 ...
problem solver ;
don't boil catsup, mayo, or mustard
Propress copper for most anything
Sweat copper for a total new house
That's just how I would do it for my own house. Honestly I use whatever I have to do to fix an emergency. That's temporary fixing. But most time it stays that way if I'm honest 🤷♂️ especially when you know another leak gonna pop up the following week at the same location.
I'm 100% for PEX, the reason why is my hot water line broke under my slab. Rather than deal with the copper I just replummed the entire hour through the attic with PEX,
Cooper for life
100% agree. PEX is a gift to all installers & DIY’ers
Could you go back in time and talk to the plumber that worked on one of my customers houses? I need you to tell him that the iron pipe nipple that he's installing in that copper line is going to give another guy a really big headache at the end of an already long day. Thanks, Sincerely, -Blank
Meh...
I wanted to like pex, but...
3/4" pex gets reduced to 1/2", and 1/2" reduced to 1/4" at every joint if you use crimp style connectors.
Keep your pex, I'll stay with copper. 👍
That's PEX B, PEX A uses expansion rings, with no reduction in size at the joints.
I absolutely hate sharkbites. That being said, this was proper use of them. If they were in a place that was inaccessible, like in a wall, hell no! This was a perfect location and situation to use them. I would prefer to sweat copper, the labor cost would be much higher as it takes a lttle skill. But for someone who's not a professional plumber you did a great job. I have a lot of respect for a handyman. They can do a little bit of everything. Not always professional results but calling in a plumber for this makes no sense. You did just fine.👍 I'm a plumber by the way.
Acidic water?
I basically just do my own home repairs and some diy remodeling. I really like copper but was never comfortable with soldering it. I really took to CPVC about ten years ago on a project it's very easy to work with and handles simple like pvc drain pipes. Now I'm super interested in using pex for the next project and maybe using it moving forward
I have Dept of War books, from the 1940s. They say to design your home to conserve materials. Plan your bathrooms and kitchen sinks close and stacked above eachother. Saves cost of materials.
Also, I’d add, be sure to plan them well for easy repairs down the road. 😅😂… PEX, does save considerable amount of time and cost for sure. But I love to sweat copper pipe. Enjoy the look of it as well. Esp in a open frame cabin.
The biggest mistake people make when switching from copper to PEX is using the same number size such as 1/2" PEX to replace 1/2" copper. 1/2" PEX = 3/8" copper and 3/4" PEX = 1/2" copper. This is due to the thicker wall thickness in PEX. Small internal diameter equals less water flow.
that's why expansion pex exists
Much rather drink from a copper cup than a Pex cup but to each their own.
I think, after doing this for a while, you've come to enjoy the video editing more than the handyman work. Am I right?
I’ll tell you when else is a gift to the world: Milwaukee PEX crimpers!
more like expansion pex tools
@@bluearcherx I 100% agree! Since the time I made that comment I have transitioned from PEX-B to PEX-A. I am sold on expansion PEX.
I love giving science lessons on how the galvanized straps on the copper pipe diy plumbing fix failed
Love me a little sharkbite.
🤘🤘🤘
Why didn't you replace the copper with PEX on the older job?
No good reason.
Looks like you de-burred the PEX, but did you de-burr the copper before shoving it into the Shark Bite?
I made the same observation. I think if you cut the copper pipe with a tubing cutter like he did, the OD will be slightly rolled inward which would protect the o-ring. If the pipe is cut with any other tool, I would de-burr.
The copper cutter puts an outside bevel on the copper pipe
Copper is King !! That is copper for heating Only !! that is M copper .
Have you ever used the shark bite fittings that you crimp on? If so, what are your thoughts about those compared to the push fit kind?
I have used the crimp rings a lot. I have 2 different kind of rings.
@@TheHandyman1 I think he's referring to the Propress fittings
I haven't use a pro press
Pro Press copper is great. Basically the same as crimped pex. The cost of the gun makes it anti DIY friendly.
COPPER COPPER COPPER COPPER. I love fire.
I wouldn’t use pex anywhere there was even a possibility of rodent access, it’s plastic and rodents love to chew on it, flood the property. I’m in Texas and we have roof rats, no property is forever immune from them. Eternal vigilance and all that.
PEX is no doubt MUCH easier to install. They each have their place.
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I think you want copper for drinking supplies. No micro plastics
Hard to say. I have seen copper leak due to age only.
Pex inly at junctions.
I usually just replace with whats there.
Shark bites and pex piping have made plumbing easy as pie, anyone can do it, and saves you hundreds on calling a plumber.
I’ve changed all my houses plumbing to pex and sharks in all 3 bathrooms no leaks in a 40 yr old home, and a it’s lot more dependable than soldered copper pipe in tight spaces for sure!
Lol give it a little bit of time my friend give it some time
@@wtfhandcrafted.williamt.fi9361 I’m definitely not ur friend, even if I give it some time ..speedy
Copper doesn't leach chemicals into your water so there's that.
Except for the lead.
@@TheHandyman1yeah the lead in the sodder? So what's the least toxic plumbing solution?
@Clayton Matt You shouldn't be used lead based solder on potable water lines.
@@christopherroberts2986 Any house older than 40-45yrs with soldered copper is almost certainly leaded. But then many sink faucets have a small amount of lead in the brass they are made of. Most are also "known to the State of California...." which reminds us not to eat the faucet.
Good think I live in Ohio :D @@schsch2390
Pex tubing may be better than copper when it comes to pin hole leaks. But no way will I trust a squashed Oring in a fitting in a closed off area. Great for short term but a decade or two later you'll be ripping into the walls to fix the leaks.
I know we have different types of PEX and we know with changes with heat and cold. Should you not be using inserts using the PEX it prevents shrinkage and a not only a weak spot even the alu PEX the fitting have the inserts built in grim and your general brass fitting?
For the water impurities eating copper,pex is best. Until then I will use copper here if no copper is eaten.
I’ve two words my friend, sacrificial anode. Or even a singular word, dielectric.
These are the known methods to mitigating the problems everyone here keeps talking about with the copper. I’m not sure if there any ways to mitigate a rat eating through plastic.
High water pressure isn't too kind to that poor man's red copper either. Pex / sharkbites inside a wall? Not in my house.
Of course with the "skill level" of tradesmen slapping stuff together today, not letting that fool in my house with Map gas either.....
Landfill Emiting! Damn! I wish there was a standard of qaulity of a product before it could be sold. Products should have a ten year life span.
And wish they would Ban 90% of plastic worthless clothes, toys and other junk that fills the oceans l, roadsides and soil!!
Sharkbites-creating call backs since whenever the hell that trash was invented
No plumber uses sharkbites, sharkbites are a temporary or DIY device, but they really don't fail all that readily. If it is going to fail it will likely be years after install. There are tons of sharkbites out there literally tons if they failed all that commonly I doubt they'd sell so many of them.
Copper for sure…. Delete that creeper stache….
Pex has class action lawsuits starting for failure.
Roger Wakefield has shown in pressure tests on CZcams here that Sharkebite usually failed before most other pipe fittings.
Roger Wakefield is an arrogant clown
Did you really call a plumber or just fkn with us?
Pex
Real men use Raptor close cutters.
Mice can't chew through copper.
Now do nanoplastic, etc. toxicity. At least you can filter and chelate Cu.
Is bro working while wearing a rolex? Us field techs are ballers, don't get us twisted
👍👍
Listen to me, folks, listen closely copper, was the material of choice since time immemorial for the simple reason that it is antimicrobial it is antibacterial. Actual bugs will not cross a copper sheet, which is why it used to be placed on the sill plate of all homes, which is no longer the case. Pex is a plastic. I’m not sure if you’ve had anything plastic fail on you in your lifetime because of just plain deterioration. but I guarantee you that it will. Copper, however will not unless you have a galvanic reaction with another metal which can be mitigated. These things are noted and known read up it is a superior material for plumbing, always has been always will be if used properly if used improperly sure go with plastic have algae growing in your waterlines in 20 years, or just simply cracking and failing because of not being a noble metal. Do some research. Except for the pex issue though I dig the handyman‘s videos excellent work keep on keeping on brother
Pex, because that’s what the guy who does all my plumbing uses😂
Pex vs plastic pipe, a much less clear choice.
Copper because microplastics
Shark bites lol….total handyman not a plumber for sure
Looks like electrolysis
Pex isn’t better in every way. Run that in a mech room. Looks like complete dog crap all saggy when it gets hot 😂.
Oh God, another handyman. Just call a plumber
First, all homeowners should learn these basic repair skill because sometimes the water leak will destroy your house long before the plumber arrives to fix it correctly.
Second, these days many people cannot AFFORD a professional plumber to fix minor things such as this that pop up routinely in older houses.