Toyota FanBoy 2024 Reality Check - Stop Blaming Us! We Are Just The Messenger!
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- Toyota FanBoy 2024 Reality Check - Stop Blaming Us! We Are Just The Messenger!
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The most hated is one who speaks the truth. Keep it up, bro
Yep. But we are all just trying to help people buy the best truck from them.
@@SamkoWorkShop Exactly
The story "The Emporers New Clothes" comes to mind here.
No one dares to tell the truth.
@@jerryjeromehawkins1712 Appreciate that
*"Toyota Fan Boy"* & just Subscribed 👍
Hate to be a "ex-Toyota Fan" but I am not gonna bend over for any auto company.
Guess I'll be on an island for a while.
You and Untamed Motors seem to be the biggest voices with the new Toyotas and all the problems!
Thank you. Greatly appreciated. He has a great channel. And I think he has the same goal. Not to ever bash any brand, but to point out the issues that will matter to the people that are looking to buy new trucks. So we show the good and bad to all vehicles. All with the viewers I terest in mind.
I don’t think Toyota will be inviting you to any upcoming media days in Hawaii!! LOL!! Straight talk on what’s going on over there is rare on CZcams - well done, sir!
not sure why my other comment is not showing. But Appreciate that you like the vid! I have been to Hawaii 4 times to shoot weddings there. Great place but too expensive. I dint need to go back..lol
lol no he won’t! apparently they don’t like ppl who aren’t sycophants. don’t like the hybrids, they want nothing to do with you
@@JokerG16 I have heard other bigger channels being contracted by toyota and told to tone it down. Thats not cool.
@@SamkoWorkShop id get a honda ridgeline anyday over a tacoma js lifted ones are badass. id also get a colorado or frontier over a tacoma also.
@billybobbob3003 those Ridgelines are so feature packed! And agree with you lots of great truck options for much less money than the tacoma.
You are absolutely correct. CZcamsrs who make their living completely on CZcams, have a tendency to kiss ass the manufactures for the not only the money, but the perks and prestige. Sometimes they help push questionable products because they get perks from those manufactures.
Keep speaking the truth… call a spade a spade. Respect.
Glad you enjoyed it.
I guess this guy has the best information on any channel I've ever watched. Every time I watch this channel, I learn something new.
Glad you are enjoying the videos and content and appreciate all the comments
Former Toyota fanboy here. This is more specifically a Toyota North America issue but Toyota Japan looks away still. They’ve become greedy as hell! They only make the packages they make the most profit on. Softex costs them the same as cloth but they charge more for it. On top of that they fleece you with this Toyota owned middle man port options that no one wants. It’s all greed!
Agree 100%. And the soft tex is nice. But it's a running joke here to as they charge so much for it and it's not leather. And the cloth seats are not that good in the tacoma. I have worn the same cargo style pants for years with velcro on the back pockets. 3 years I drom my ram 2500 with cloth seats and also had a 2018 f150 at the same time (ram was my wife's daily and our main family vehicle ). Seats were flawless when I sold both. Bought my 22 tacoma and within the first week the drivers seat was showing wear from my pocket velcro. Crazy. Had to put sest covers in it to protect it.
It funny how they sweet talk to you when you’re buying a new vehicle, when you go back for any reason they put you on the side
Yep and the hidden stuff like all parts on back order for new vehicles, half ass repairs, etc. It's all about the sell then it's alot of bs.
first service at Toyota and they scratched up one rim pretty good. I had to do a fair bit of arguing to get them to replace that wheel as I didn't trust them to get the wheel repair guy to fix it up. Glad I took a walk around video of my vehicle at the dealership before I handed them the keys.
@@shnerp Smart! And glad you were able to fight and win.
Yep, 4.5 hours for my last oil change at my local dealership
@thebigempty_5792 that sucks! Our toyota dealer is right next to a chilies restaurant. So usually we drop it, get oild change and tires rotated while we eat lunch. But the last time took 2 hours. I was pissed!
Admitted Toyota Fan Boy
I have only had Toyotas . Five 4Runners a Camry a 2002 Tacoma and a 2020 Tundra
Mt 2022 4Runner and my 2020 Tundra 5.7 cru max are my last .
Just a question who the hell is buying them ????? I sold Toyotas for 8 years and couldn’t get Any cash down from customers and god forbid they had credit ???? It was so difficult to get the deals bought with existing negative equity no cash down and horrible credit . I’m great full I no longer am in that business but 30 years of inflation in 3 is a disaster .
Mark my words this is all going to crumble people can’t afford any of this .
Oh and yea I want 4x4 cloth seats and reliability. I know how to drive and trailer and definitely don’t need a tv in my trucks .
Sorry for the rant . You are 100% spot on and they will not get any more of my money unless things change .
Have a great day
100% spot on and enjoyed your rant. I feel the same
Toyota fan boy here. Bought my '22 4Runner in the middle of the pandemic. And this man is 100000% correct on the buying experience. I also had to call 20+ dealers, put a couple of deposits down, even had to intercept the truck at the shipping port, all just to get what i wanted, and even THEN they made me pay for $2,000 worth of extra stuff I didn't want. I originally was going to get a TRD Pro (I had saved up enough to afford one according to MSRP). But when I went looking for one, I had multiple dealers look at me straight in the eye and said they were asking $25,000 ABOVE MSRP. I wasn't about to pay $75,000 for a truck that came out in 2009. I decided to step down to a much lower trim, and spent the extra money I had saved up to built it instead. Love my 5th Gen 4Runner. Def feels like the end of an era tho. Love Toyota's. But things do feel like they are changing. Not to mention my local dealers charge an arm and a leg for anything, and mark ups have never stopped. Makes it hard for me to recommend it to others now.
They can't realize why our loyalties are not solid anymore
Suchs you had to jump through all the hoops too. But you got a great 4 runner that will last for decades!
My local dealer has 20+ new Tacomas. Each one is a 4-door with 5-ft bed. If any are 2-door is the base model SR with 228hp engine. Why even bother bringing back the Prerunner if they won’t allocate?
@@Farcehole yep allocation only and thry only make what seels the best with high profit margins😂
The corporations wouldn't piss on us if we were on fire.
Very true.
They would if we first paid them 10 grand with 20 k after the fire is out
Former Fanboi here. Bought a 22 Pro. They required me to finance the truck in order to buy it at sticker without a markup when I wanted to pay cash. I paid it off 2 weeks later. Screw them. Then they port install bullshit $80 phone cords you dont want or need, 3 oil changes that they do minimal and when you mark clamps, washer fluid etc and show the service managers they didnt do the work nobody cares. Then they scratched my fender and had to repaint it twice. Then on a new truck my dash had to be pulled to fix the a/c. Damn hacks at Deluca Toyota.. Aint the Toyota it use to be.
Sorry you had to go thru all that. I know 2 people that had to have the whole dash pulled both of ford f150s (one king ranch and 1 raptor). The techs could not put either dash back together right and rattles could not be fixed. Both guys sold the trucks shortly after. Trucks today are not simple to work on and techs are struggling.
This dude couldn’t be more SPOT ON!
Glad you enjoyed it. I hated making it though.
"Service is terrible." Therefore WHAT?
What is the ALTERNATIVE?
A problem without a solution is not a problem, but rather a condition.
He's just complaining that the middle class is dead. He's right, but you get what you vote for. It'll only get worse if you are not rich or an illegal.
Robmotive got 2wd Tacoma for $50,000. He said he doesn’t need 4wd on a truck 😂😂😂
Prices are crazy
LOL, Rob Motive is a smarmy know nothing youtuber. He talks alot and says nothing. He always looks like he is smitten with himself, I'm not sure why. Ugh, that guy just irks me to the core.
@@Yul-Uhlutotally agree. The biggest problem I have with Mr. Robmotive is the never ending “gloating”😳. Every video he cuts is the same, nauseating!
He didnt pay 50k lol.
That dudes whole CZcams account is just clickbait trash. His green TRD pro was 10X the new red sport he’s all horny about that doesn’t have 4X4, he probably doesn’t care due to the fact he lives in TX. As a New Englander living under winter for about 6 months a year I can confirm no 4X4 (or at least AWD) no thanks around here. And especially not for 50K lol glad I got my 2020 last year!
Fan boys are the problem…they continue to pay those prices.
Paying those prices sets a president that other brands will follow and charge more. We are rhe only ones that suffer from every tacoma sale
@@SamkoWorkShop And the car market in general is starting to suffer. Normal people don't buy pickup trucks for $60k - $70k+. COVID effed a lot of stuff up, but it was coming prior to that as well. Buyers truly have all the power. Quit fanboying and needing to have the newest best all the time and living in debt, stop buying their crap and make them adjust to the buyers, not the other way around.
@twebb726 your right we have to power to say no I'm not buying. Then the trucks rot on the lots .
@@SamkoWorkShop A president ? Do you me precedence ?
@@JH-mt3pp yep typo by auto correct
I reserved my 2024 4Runner TRD Off Road on 10th April. The day right after the 6th gen reveal. That's my answer to Toyota. See you after half a million miles.
Hopefully by the time you are ready to buy again, toyota has all their crap sorted out
I have 2 GX460s. They will hopefully carry my family for a long time to hopefully escape the green new scam
I am suspect of any new Toyota. My 2022 Camry had a mapp sensor failure at highway speeds. Downshifted so violently it nearly left the highway. Faulkner Toyota said it was caused by a rodent chew. No evidence at all of wires chewed on. The only rodent under the hood of my Camry was the dealers technician. Excellent way for Toyota to deny component failures with their products. Cost me $300 to get my car back.
Stupid stuff like that is what I mean by horrible customer care.
Well said! It is almost like the Fanboys are like those unfortunate people in abusive relationships no matter what is done to them they still defend them.
😂😂 that’s a good way to put it.
Well said. And they are brutal in the comments to all of us content creators. Many comments we just delete before anyone sees them they are so bad. Nothing wrong with brand loyalty. But don't get mad when other "used to be" fanboys (us) step out of the box, look at what going on and then talk about it.
@ettiennenathan hopefully the fanboys understand. We are trying to give them factual information. They can choose to do with it as they please. But we are trying to help people with each video we make. Not trying to step on their beloved brand, but rather inform them.
Ok. Went a little too far for me. One is called being trauma bonded and literally having to weigh the odds that your life could be in danger so you shut down the fight / flight response for the idea it would better to “get along then fight”.
Just saying. Anyone in actual abusive relationships or that have been in them would take offense to that. As a fanboy is just creating a bubble to defend his mountaintop of his purchase. No physical. Mental. Emotional. Sexual abuse could occur being “normal fan” then annoying logical rational people from the outside
💯 percent correct !!!! thank you . I bought a 23 off road just in time , I seen this coming .
Congrats on such an amazing truck! And one that will last decades and always hold value.
I did the same thing last December. One of the last ones on the lot and it just happened to be exactly what I wanted.
Dad bought a 2022 tundra. The passenger door whistles and leaks water. They replaced the seals. Did not fix it. They did a bunch of other things to it including replacing the door. Did not fix it. We finally took it to a collision center. Had a friend inspect it. The frame on the passenger side is slightly off. Not straight. He thinks its a defect. Toyota wont do anything. Dad cannot drive his car in the rain now. He freaking lives in Washington state . It rains there all the time. Between my family, my brothers family and dad and mom. Since 1991 we have purchased 25 new vehicals from toyota. Never again. They lost our business.
Watch trdjon on youtube. His tundra leaked and whistled too and he added more weather stripping that fixed it and then got toyota to come out with a new door seal because of this issue. Might be worth tryingnto take it back to dealer again as all this was not too long ago. But agree with you, it sucks that a new truck has to deal with this and a company that won't stand behind it
@@SamkoWorkShop thanks will do.
@@sammy-gd7hw looks like all the Sams are in this thread. My suggestion is if you took it in at least three times to fix the same problem and they didn’t fix it You can have it lemon lawed. Easy for me to say, since I have a cousin and a nephew that are both attorneys. ;)
Ur dad may want to sell it for whatever he can get before the vin gets flagged by dealers and carfax. Then it will get really bad....
I had 2 tundras, the door seals were a joke.
a JOKE.
It seems to me the last v6 midsized truck is the Frontier am I wrong?
Gladiator as well
Thanks for the video Jason. I had the same allocation experience as you with Toyota. call 6 dealerships nearest you and hope you can eventually get what you want.
The allocation system is exhausting for all of us. My local toyota dealer has some great sales guys I got to know pretty well. They hate this BS just as much as we do.
Oh... to add one thing.... TNGA-F was a big cost savings for Toyota. I NEVER see anyone talk about this. It's always "sold" as an improvement... but the biggest beneficiary is Toyota.
And with the new Tacoma, Land Cruiser, 4Runner.... Toyota is CLEARLY not passing that cost savings on.
This is NOT the Toyota you knew and loved, kids
That is very true. So many vehicles one platform.
I was a Dodge and Dodge Ram fan from 1976 through 2010. I did not leave them, they left me. I have been a Toyota fan from 2012 trough 2020. Last purchase was a 2020 Tundra which I still own. I did not leave Toyota they left me. Manufactures have forsaken their customers through greed and Government mandates. There was a time in the US when the customer was king. Those days appear to be gone.
Those days are definitely gone. The customer now is just a dollar sign
@@SamkoWorkShop And we all have run out of dollars.
100% Facts on all points made. I pulled the plug on the 2025 Tacoma I had been waiting for due to the price BS; also had the same issue waiting for allocation of trucks that all all fluffed up. What’s really annoying is I literally just wanted a basic 4x4 TRD without any bells and whistles and it’s over 50 grand, for a turbo 4cyl… Ranger raptor is cheaper and has long travel suspension.
And the raptor ranger has soooo many amazing offroad features tacoma does not
Allocation sucks especially because all the shit is put on the “in the port”
Agree 100% Its exhausting to deal with too.
I saw a 2024 Tacoma for the first time that wasn't on a dealer lot yesterday. It was parked on the side of the road with hazard lights on and the guy looking in the engine bay. Not sure what the issue was but wasn't the greatest look!
They have been having an issue with the leuvers behind the grill that open and close for air flow and water gets into the device and corrodes it. Problem is the parts are backordered until god knows when.
I ordered my 2018 MT Taco, got EXACTLY what I wanted(dicounted the $$$). All my trucks in the past were ordered from the factory. In the past if you found a good dealer, it paid loyalty dividends. The dealer was excellent with service n recalls. But now at Toyota, has changed for the worst and all the above are true.
Yep wish toyota would get back to what it once was.
If you want to see the future of Toyota's cost reduction strategy (TNGA) and their prioritization of fuel economy, turbos, and hybridization over true QDR, take a look at what's happening with the 3rd gen Tundra. CZcams 3rd gen Tundra problems, and you'll get a taste of what's in store for the new 4Runner and Tacoma. Cheaply made and assembled interiors, blown engines, faulty mechanical parts, etc. Unfortunately, the automotive industry and consumers now have the cell phone industry mentality of trading in every other year. These products are no longer made to last.
This is all very true.
SPOT ON!!!! 3rd gen is great but I put thousands in mods to fix wasn't right from the start or the truck didn't have it.
Great point. But love how great of a platform the 3rd gen was to modify. Its had reliablity as the foundation to start with, along with affordable price. making it a perfect truck to mod.
@@SamkoWorkShop That it is, and everybody has a gadget to make that truck so much better and make proud to own.
@@cbayless4294 agree
We get the bottom of the barrel vehicles from Toyota over here. I thought that it was funny when you said in your previous video that “the Japanese don’t want the hybrid crap in their Land Cruiser, they get diesels” or something like that.
And in the UK you can order a toyota! And like you just mentioned in Japan They dont even want the hybrid and get a diesel. Here we get over priced, cant order, allocation only, hybrid only, etc. Toyota hates us!
Toyota s just complying with the restrictions of the EPA. Shit, you won’t be able purchase a new ICE vehicle in California in a few years!
@@stevenk5800 yes on the motors. not on the prices or the customer. But agree 100% cali is crazy!
@@stevenk5800 I know the EPA is the reason for the smaller engines. That’s not what I’m talking about. I talking about for 1 not being able to get a poverty spec 300 series like the rest of the world get and also small trucks like the new Hilux Champ. Instead of a cheap 300 series we get an expensive Lexus, instead of the Hilux Champ we get expensive tacomas. I like the 2024 Tacoma but I won’t buy it because I’m not gonna be a debt slave anymore.
Toyota is owned by Japanese.
Toyota is a city in Japan
Currently driving a '23 TRD Off Road as a rental. I love the thing. So much I'm looking at buying one. All the low mileage (under 60k) used ones within 250 miles are $35-$45k. New ones, are also $45k. Local dealers in Oklahoma City aren't marking up the '24s. But after watching this, it sounds like I should stay a Jeep guy.
The 23s are outstanding. The 24s will have some issues. All first couple year toyotas do.
Jeeps are always outstanding. Lots of great options.
I've owned 8 wranglers since '00. I built them up & pass them on. I've also owned 2 tacos in that same time period. The crew I wknd with is similar. As a former fanboy of both, I will say hard pass on any of them made in '24. They both got 50% higher since '19 & the QC is worse. The only Jeep I currently recommend is Hemi powered, & you must search nationwide for a low miles example with your preferred color, for under 65k. Best of luck!
Fanboys are the worst. I can't stand it when someone shows up in a Super Duty and then another one shows up in a RAM HD truck and they just go back and forth of why their brand is better. It's so stupid these days. Idk about you but I am just not a fan of buying junk even if I like the brand. Toyota is probably one of the worst brands to buy today not just because of the horrible quality, but also because of how miserable Toyota makes the process of getting that new vehicle in your driveway.
Agree 1000% on all points you made.
I took the plunge in late 2023 and bought a 2023 TRD Off Road Tacoma. I had a lot of the same experience with the company that you described. But I'm glad I didn't wait a year - the 2024 trucks are out of my price range.
That 2023 will last you many years and many miles! You got one of the last best made trucks available. It's all down hill from here in the truck world.
They are discounting the 24s at some dealerships. It's not much more than 23. Depending on package few k .
I would wait anyway you never want to buy the first model year, or really the second or third either in this case its a entirely new truck from the ground up.
I'm sure its going to be fine once it's out a while. But i would definitely wait a bit.
I bought the 23 as well but for a different reason. It's really a throw back to 2010 or before. Actually the horrible seating position and drum brakes goes back to the 1st gen. You can feel the old Toyota in the 3rd Gen. Because much of it's 20+ years old. They added some electronic b.s. but it's still there. The drum brakes as I said. Emergency brake handle you pull up. The seating position. Leaf springs of course. It's so outdated. Even the 3.5 engine designed off the 4.0. it's weak. The 6 speed auto not much improved from it's predecessor, perhaps worse. The truck even new is actually very very old. Not quite the feeling you get driving the 1st gen or 80s (they were even worse) but still the feeling of that old school Toyota. All the faults from previous gens that were never fixed. Makes it quirky.
Other than the 3rd Gen Tacoma. The only other thing we had left in the midsized like that was frontier. Which is still outdated and has it's own quirkiness.
The problem isn't really Toyota going to a 4 cyl turbo. Toyota had similar motors decades ago. The 4 cylinder is more Toyota than the V6. 4 cyl is more Nissan than the Nissan V6 as well. It's more the chassis/platform change. It's totally different than the last 40 years of Toyota truck. And all the safety things. The ride. Brakes obviously. It's really all been updated. Improved perhaps.
It's a entire new era.
The V6 should run a long time. In many ways the 24 is greatly improved. The lines of it, the 4 cyl is actually closer to the original Toyota trucks. Look carefully at the 80s and 90s Toyota. The outside and the 4 cyl is not out of Toyotas heritage. If the 24 has crappy plastic interior well, the 80s and 90s ones did too. It's the other changes inside, chassis underneath. While perhaps improved wont act like the Toyota we know.
I personally would probably buy the new gen Toyota Tacoma in 3 years if I needed a vehicle. And maybe feel even better about putting Toyotas heritage stripe colors on it than I have my 3rd Gen.
It's just too new yet.
But people that say the new gen Tacoma isn't Toyota need to take a real long look and maybe read and look at some pictures of Toyota history. It's definitely Toyota. Just a different front cabin for larger Americans now that might be a lot taller and most probably obese. Americans who want electronic gizmos and a american government with lots of politics and rules. It cant stay Japanese forever importing so much to North America over decades. But the looks and motor of the new tacoma gen is definitely Toyota.
I would still buy the frontier first though. Get the last of the dinosaurs....
I need a full size truck and the old tundra platform is not an option because I want some modern creature comforts. Is there a full size truck you recommend?
Take my and anyone's opinion with a grain of salt. They are just that, opinions. But personally I rank full size trucks in this order from my knowledge. Ram, chevy, ford, toyota if you are buying new today. With that said! Research each brand to find the trim level that best suits your needs for each brand. Then go drive each of them. Then when you have it narrowed down to 2 ask questions and do some research on each. Then make your decision taking I to account price and negotiating options.
Most importantly, all brands today are about equal. All can have big and small issues and should be expected to have some recalls and warranty needs. An extended warranty today is a great idea. Don't buy your warranty thru the dealer. But it from the manufacturer directly after the sale (most will let you finance the warranty for 1 year interest free) and the cost will be 1/2 or more less than the dealer tells you.
Got mine 5th gen TRD off road cloth seats 4liter 6 cylinder solid. I change oil every 3800 miles plus other extra maintenance like transmission fluid at 50k right before Covid hit hard in 2019 after I got mine things started going wonky when they started twin turbo on 4 cylinders um more horsepower doesn’t mean sh!t if the engine burns up. Won’t sell mine. This dude is spot on. Take care of your good one because they don’t make um like they used to. And you get less plus the price went ⬆️
Well said and you got a great auv that will last decades
Can’t argue w anything u say, even though I bought a new 2024 TRD OF that I love so far. Wanted the front stabilizer disconnect but couldn’t find one and wanted the 360 cameras but didn’t want to buy the premium level trim that Toyota requires to get it. I had to settle for something I could live w but not exactly what I wanted and it was crazy expensive, I’d even say over priced. Good info here.
Congratulations on a great truck. The toyota games and hoops are a pain to deal with and jump thru. But the truck sure is damn sexy!!
I totally agree with you. I'm trying to get the 2024 TRD Off Road Premium without the Moonroof, and it's proving to be quite challenging. The one I found comes with a Moonroof and is still in production. I've asked the dealer to remove the Port Installed Options and I'm okay with keeping the Moonroof if I end up liking it. However, the dealer mentioned that they can't remove the "All-Weather Floor Liners and Cargo Tray Package" because they're included in all the TRD Off Road Premium models. They do have only one(1) TRD Off Road without the Moonroof, but it has $2900 worth of Port Installed Options, which defeats the purpose. All I want is the cheapest 2024 4Runner TRD Off Road!!
Yep your pain has been felt by many. Even TFL had to travel all the way to Texas to find one that didnt have all the extra crap on it.
Good thing this video came across, I was thinking about getting a tundra. But after hearing that 1 guy had motors replaced, that's a hard pass for me.
The tundra is a very nice truck. But probably worth waiting another year as they are just now starting to work out the kinks.
I also have a 4runner. Had a 2019 tacoma trd OR. Engine sucked and was in the shop for misfires at 27k miles. Keeping the 4runner and will be looking to add a colorado for my next vehicle.
The 4 runner is the best suv available today. And that new colorado is damn sexy and capable for a great price
Half of these comments are people that didn’t watch the video and are just reacting to the thumbnail.
Could very well be true.
@@SamkoWorkShop well, when you state in your video that people are going to comment about their older models and how reliable they are and how that has nothing to do with today and then they do exactly that, that’s an indication that they didn’t watch the video lol. Or we’re straight up dealing with somebody who has TikTok brain.
@Jamesthor so far all the comments have been excellent. I was expecting to get executed for this video. But It had to be said.
Thanks for laying it out straight! FACTS!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Im tired of toyota dealerships evey one that works there is the "manager" and they act like they are doing you a favor and they all wear the same type of clothes that dont fit them
Yep all dealerships suck today. But toyota is the hardest to deal with.
Im so glad I bought my Tacoma in 2023. Last year of the V-6! My 2nd Toyota in 10 years. I see how bad they are becomming.
That 2023 tacoma will last decades for ya.
So should I buy a 2024 4runner off-road or try to find a good deal on a 2019 or 2020 model that isn't listed for as much as a brand new one??
Both options work great. Usually the deals and interest rates are better on new. So I would compare both
This dude is spot on. I went and bought a 2023 4runner because I just knew they were going to screw it all up.
Smart choice. The 23 4 runner will last for decades!
That goofy looking screen in the dash looks so stupid. Why does anyone need a laptop screen glued to a dash?
Agree! Hate the ipad glued on look today. so after thought and looks ridiculous.
Just something else to break
@@Imtired_AF very true. And only cost 5k to replace I'm guessing😂
Unfortunately, it is the future. It is cheaper for them to slap a screen in all of the cars, rather than design a sensible dashboard with ergonomics in mind. They don't need to design and outsource all of the switches and dials. I miss the days when I could keep my eyes on the road and reach for a button with muscle memory.
@@GetOffMyyLawn look at some of the dashboards of the late fifties, Chrysler in particular…the cars themselves. They had stylists at that time, people who were artists. This whole truck is a Hot Mess.
I love Toyota but they're not the company they used to be. These prices are outrageous!
Agree 100%
Hi. I was waiting for the 2024 Tacoma, now I’m going to buy a GMC Canyon. Better choices, lower price.
Yep and a shame that toyota lost you as a customer. But they did it to them selves. We are not as dumb as they thought we were. The Canyon is outstanding by the way.
Same here, but waiting for interest rates to go down during this depression.
@@eddierodriguez3472 according to what I'm reading rates won't drop this year much. I sure hope that's wrong
Yep. Got a New canyon elevation with spray in bedliner, trailer package and upgraded alternator for $30k plus tax n license. Loving the truck and the deal.
@@Iraqveteran-ke6qu outstanding! Congratulations on a beautiful truck and a great deal
I remember in the old days of going down to the dealer and looking at their inventory and picking the model that offered most of what you were looking for. To custom order a car was rare. Usually it was a customer that wanted a unique combination of options not normally available. Now days, people are trying to order bare-bone models or models with a highly desirable option without a higher trim level. Naturally the automaker is not interested in catering to those types of customers. To put it simply, they know what their stuff is worth and don't want to lower their profit margins.
You are correct about all of this. I went through the process of buying a new ‘24 4Runner last month and saw each point you make. This was my first ever new vehicle purchase and also my first Toyota. I’m loyal to specific models and power trains known for their longevity not to makes or country of origin; the Ford Panther platform and GMT800 are a couple examples of what I’ve owned previously. This is precisely why I didn’t wait for the 6th gen; it hasn’t yet earned my respect. I was left pretty disappointed with the purchasing process with Toyota, but still very satisfied with this 5th gen 4Runner itself.
Congratulations on such a great vehicle. And it will be many years feofre you have to go thru the buying process again. Maybe by then toyota will get it's crap together.
It is true about the allocations. In the exact same way six months ago I searched for my 2024 Toyota 4Runner TRD Pro. I managed to get it as much as possible to the basic features. I spent a lot of time searching and calling. It is also recommended to change the regional Toyota distributor, which means just call or search in a completely another US region far away from your state or your neighboring states. The regional distributors are those who order them from Toyota and almost always they push the most expensive trims to the local dealers. To sell more.
Yep it's a joke of a process. Toyota should be ashamed. But glad you got the last great suv ever made
You're 100% correct. Keep them videos coming.
Glad you enjoyed it
I used to love Toyota. 🙋
I'm right there with you
I'm a waning Toyota fanboy and I see what's going on. That's why I got the last v6 Camry and the current gen RAV4 hybrid. I can't do anything about these prices because it's a bigger problem than Toyota. I'm afraid for our purchasing future on cars to be honest.
Shoutout to my dealer though they made buying THE EXACT car I wanted painless....I know allocation sucks but they made it painless. Now I didn't like how some of thee packages are grouped...having to buy a big nasty package when you want one feature...or go without.
Paint peeling on the new Camry? Cablegate on the RAV? I'm thankful for getting the late gen models....sure the tech is boring but I'm going to let others feel the pain on the problems?
I hear Toyota techs complaining about how they don't give them time for the work they do.....I'm betting many of them are leaving because they are treating them wrong.
All great points.
I have both a 3rd Gen and a 4th Gen. I like them both.. The 2024 I got is just what I wanted. 🙅🏽♂️ 😆 "peeing on your back and telling you it's raining" Has me laughing! 😂
Congratulations on 2 amazing trucks! And glad to hear you got the 24 the way you want. That's hard to do these days.
i work for toyota HQ in plano, TX and i agree with you sadly. i have a 24 4Runner Pro on order and keeping that forever. 2022 V6 highlander too. i think things will turn around in a few years when sales decline.
Thank you for your input from the inside! I sure hope toyota gets back on track fast. I honestly believe that Toyota can get right back on top if it tried harder.
You see people like you have no clue what's driving manufacturers to turbos instead of NA V6s or V8s. Its your damn elected politicians pushing epa to enforce strict emission standards. Put more effort on that. Maybe you wont have to be forced to buy EVs, hyrbids, and smaller engines
@@beexiong2995You think folks in Toyota NA HQ don’t already know that? They were building fuel efficient engines to meet emissions standards before Detroit was.
Man, you said it brother! In Washington state, I had the exact same experience when trying to buy a 2023 Tacoma Off Road with manual transmission. It took 9 months of calling around, and putting $1000 deposits down at 3 different dealers. By the time I got the opportunity to buy it/drive it, I ended up walking away from it because it had a drive line vibration (I suspect it was either unbalanced drive shaft or wheels-I wasn’t about to buy it and trouble shoot it). I have a 200 series Land Cruiser and a pre Covid 2020 Tundra and not selling those. My loaded Platinum Tundra was cheaper than a mid level new Tacoma!! The Toyota buying experience and the RIDICULOUS NEW PRICES--No more Toyotas for me!
Yep so sad what toyota has turned into
Geez for a minute there I thought you were talking about Boeing with customer service and product quality. Boeing even tries using the word “kaizen”.
Crazy what these companies are doing
Question. What auto manufacturer would you recommend or praise for good business practices if any ?
Since all vehicles today are basically made the same and all have issues, its the way the manufacture and dealers take care of teh customer that matters the most. In my opinion, Gm is number 1, Ram is number 2 and Nissan is number 3 right now. That could change. But for the last couple years this seems to be what im seeing. Ford and toyota are at the bottom.
Been debating on getting something newer but after looking at new prices and entries I think imma stick with my 2019 Frontier P4X
Can not argue that one bit. It's ugly out there in the new truck world right now
Subbed! Was you a Army RI by chance? Lol
I was not. Never served. Looking back I wish I would of.
When my 2021 rolled off the lot it went up 3k in value. It is now worth the same amount.
agree. the 24s shot up the value of the 3rd gens bigtime.
I’ll never understand brand loyalty either. Toyota is in business to make money, that’s all they care about.
agree on both. the manufacture loyalty thing cracks me up. They all take advantage of us in so many ways.
Still mind boggling how nissan with the pro4x models easily accessible and no mark ups with great financing didn’t put a dent in Toyota pick up sales
The toyota sales numbers this whole year are fake. They are including all the left over 2023s. Dont believe any of that crap yet.
I drive betweek 500 and 1200 miles a week right now on the highway for work and I have not yet seen 1 new tacoma on the road
I love and highly appreciate your honesty and “no filter” approach to comparing the 3rd gen Tacoma to the 4th gen. I test drove a Tacoma trd off road a couple of weeks ago and other than the low end power and the eight speed transmission, it seemed more cheaper and boxier (body style) than the 3rd gen Tacoma. I get that people that have purchased the 4th gen supposedly coming from the 3rd gen, rant and rave that this new truck is light years ahead of its predecessor but you can’t convince me otherwise. I know U tubers like TRDJON,Chloe, Robmotive, among other Kool-aid enthusiasts out there get offended by honest people like you and Untamed motors for example but I applaud and appreciate the honesty and enthusiasm of there feelings towards a subpar platform like the 24 Tacoma. Thanks again my friend, keep the honesty coming!!👏🏻👍🏻👌🏻
Thank you. Appreciate that more than you know. Especially when making a video like this that's opens us up to potential kickback. But it's our job to present the facts to help people buy what's best for them.
@@SamkoWorkShop your very welcome my friend. I’ve been watching you the past couple of years; especially prior and during the release of the 4th gen Tacoma and you’ve been spot on 100%! I can’t even tell you how sick and tired I am about new Tacoma buyers trying to blow wind of people’s rear ends about how “perfect” this new truck is😳. Thanks again my friend!👍🏻👌🏻
@deantrainr thank you again. Comments like this sure make the hard work worth doing
I’ve come around to your way of thinking. Love my ‘99 Tacoma TRD Off road. Love my ’23 Highlander Hybrid. Was going to sell the Tacoma and get a Tundra. Still going to sell the Tacoma (my old back needs a smoother ride) but I don’t know what is going to replace it.
Yep Toyota has been such an amazing company for a very long time. Sure hope they can start getting back to being that sometime soon.
Try a Honda Ridgeline
I have a 2017 Tacoma, and i totally agree with you. Toyota has changed
You have a great one. And agree with you 100%
As an owner of a 2019 voodoo blue TRD pro that I love, I can say the 24s are a complete ripoff. My truck? Texas. All 24s? Mexico. Mine? NA v6. 24s? Overstressed 4pot. Mine? 41k out the door. Even a 24 SR5 is 5 grand over that. So what did I do? Traded it in for a ranger raptor. Paid 57 for it. Thats 8k less than what toyota wanted for my 24 trd pro allocation that I canceled.
That ranger raptor is such an amazing truck! I want one so bad. Probably wont buy one for my needs. But man I want one!!!
I've seen that 3.5 v6 tow 3000 lbs. Was going to explode at 6000 rpms. Ive seen the turbo 4 tow. It was comfortably at 3500 rpms
@@beexiong2995 hahahaha. Thats funny. Ive towed 2950 pound enclosed trailer for my pressure washing buisness daily for 2 years with my 22 tacoma trd offroad and it towed like a champ. I also towed that same trailer across country from michigan to georgia 3 times. This comment is just funny.
@@SamkoWorkShop carrying 5 people in the 3.5 v6 the truck cant get out of its way. Towing 2950lbs that is a turd for sure. Empty going up a 6% grade it huffs and puffs all the way 😂
@@beexiong2995 Dont agree. Sorry. I loved the 22 tacoma and the 3.5 v6. Wish they kept it. And it towed very well. Like i said I towed more with it than 90% of people ever will. And it did great.
Weird, i bought a 2022 Tacoma and had to order it exactly how i wanted it; this was in Canada though and there were no allocations back in 2022 up here because the US was apparently gobbling them all up.
Here in the states you can not and have not been able to order a toyota for many years. Allocation only
Got my 24 off-road with 14 inch screen for 45300.00 absolutely love it
That is a smoking deal! And rare. And if that was the norm it would be amazing. Congrats on a great truck at a great price.
It's not just car manufacturers... who do you think these people affiliate with. It has these letters in it FEW...
Very true
So my 2023 Tacoma trd pro was $52,800 brand new. A 2024 Tacoma trd pro msrp is $65,000+. People were saying I paid too much. Good luck with buying a pro under $70,000 loo
Yep new prices are crazy on these
That's insane. All the more reason despite the problem I faced with my new ZR2 I just wouldn't be able to justify such a price.
I was able to option my ZR2 exactly the way I wanted it. It was expensive too at 54.8k but it's well optioned and it's still 10k less than the new TRD pro.
@@kabloosh699 And I trust the zr2 and chevy to stand behind it more than I trust a new year toyota and toyota as a company.
@@SamkoWorkShop GM has treated me well in the past. I had an issue with my previous Colorado where the lights on the HVAC buttons burned out. It was going to cost a ridiculous 900 bucks since they replace the whole unit, but I was about 2k past the bumper to bumper warranty. I called GM and they paid for 80% of it making it much more bearable.
Subaru is another company that stands by their products. I had a 2016 Crosstrek and again I was 1k past the bumper to bumper warranty. The CV boot tore and the fix was 500 bucks because they just take out the whole axle as the replacement. I called up Subaru and they agreed to pay for the whole thing since the axle was considered part of the drivetrain warranty. I also read in the warranty that apparently CV boots aren't covered under warranty at all. I have found it doesn't hurt to ask the manufacturer.
The only thing though is I got a new ZR2 factory ordered the way I want it. Well, the camera module is defective. I've got no back up camera or 360 camera function right now and I got the truck in March. Not fun, but GM has been tracking it at least. The dealer tried their best to address it by fitting me into the service department next day. They had to hold onto it for a week.
I've reached out to GM and once they issue is addressed they said we can talk compensation for the inconvenience. I'm hoping it's not like 50 GM reward points and something more substantial. Give me a hard tonneau cover or something. We shall see once the issue is fixed.
I do not think that this is something unique to GM though with supply chain jacked up and I'm guessing the camera module in these vehicles aren't known to crap out especially right out the gate.
@@kabloosh699 you are spot on. Supply chain and backorder. It's a nightmare right now. Please keep us posted on when it's fixed and what gm does for you. I'm excited for it to all get sorted for you.
I'm in agreement with a lot of what you are saying and I have 3 toyotas in the garage still, obviously all older/reliable. The problem I see is there are plenty of high income people that just don't care about the price/quality of anything anymore. People are just buying based on how cool things look or how fast their truck goes in a race. They don't care about long term reliability, they cycle vehicles every year or two, then bash the people like you (and me) that are calling out these issues. Case in point, look at the Turndra spun bearing issue like you mentioned, if you visit the forums it will be nothing but fanboys saying "it's a low number relative to how many they sold". They are completely missing the point(s), the truck shouldn't be spinning bearings at low mileage, and if they need a new engine, like you said, everything better be new or just give me an entirely new truck. There is a reason the Tundras are sitting on lots and discounts are starting.
Agree 100% on all points you made
Been buying Toyota 4x4’s since 1988. Next was a 93 then 2002 then a 2014 Tundra. Traded for a 2023 Jeep to try something different. Got the itch to get back in something familiar. This video is spot on 1000% correct. It’s been a nightmare trying to find what I want. I have in the past ordered every Vehicle I’ve ever owned. The company that I have supported since 1988 has basically turned its back on me. They are trying to force me to buy what they want me to have and not what I want for my hard earned money.
Yep so sad what toyota has done and how they are treating their customers now. Sad times for toyota.
"Kirk Kreifels" and "The Car Care Nut" LOL
When Toyota disappointedly switched to the turbo, "The Car Care Nut" called it "going back to the base."
I agree with your point. I've been driving Tundras since 2002, and there are 4 Toyotas in my driveway, ranging from a 2003 Celica to a 2020 Sienna. FWIW, the 2020 Sienna replaced a 2013 that we bought used and put over 160K miles on with nothing but service, brakes and 1 battery. The 2020 is lacking in quality compared to the 2013.
Toyota has slipped, big time.
Yep wish toyota would get back to it's roots and what it stood for. Otherwise it's the same as all other brands just priced more and a pain in the butt to buy.
It’s sad how Toyota is treating its loyal customers, you are absolutely correct, I was a Toyota fun, my family still have several. I was in the market for the new Tacoma TRD Pro but there is no way I’ll pay more than $72K (out the door) for a midsize pick up.
Yep it sucks. Toyota is failing it's customer base.
Totally agree! I will never let go of my 2015 Toyota 4RUNNER!
Love the 4 runner. When the last 2024 leaves the lot sold as new a big grey rain cloud will cover the country. Such a great vehicle
@@SamkoWorkShop Amen
You're funny dude, I love your videos!🖕 From Toyota 😂... You're exactly correct I've been a Toyota fan for many years I'm keeping my 3rd gen & I'm VERY disappointed in what they've done from raising prices so high to doing all this 🗑️ shit (turbos & hybrid systems) that's only sold in the United States, nowhere else because they're 🚫 not stupid enough to buy it.. I get in arguments on CZcams all the time with people trying to defend 4-banger turbos🤦
Yep toyota hates us here! And honestly the new trucks, tacoma, and tundra and new 4 runner as well as the LC are fantastic trucks that many would love to own....if toyota just got out of the way and made buying one realistic.
Not getting a new crate motor is just absurd. All the metal fragments that have gone through the oil system when the main bearing grenades is going to be in everything from the heads to the turbos. You can't trust any of those components after that. I'd be livid if that were me after spending 80k. That truck would be going up for sale or lemon lawed instantly.
Agree 1000%
I had all generations of tacoma since and before my first was 1981 toyota pickup 4×4 and now I have 2024 tacoma TRD off-road now they fixed everything on the 2024 like very body wanted they made 4 cylinder engine's for years this one is best one they made yet all new frame better transmission better seating position 317 foot pounds of torque at 1700 RPM i think they are priced right
Congratulations on your new truck
I just ordered a Tacoma thru Toyota. Yes a customer cannot order thru Toyota. To my knowledge that’s always been the case. BUT my dealer is allocated X amount of special orders a month or quarter. They used one of those to order the truck with everything I wanted.
Outstanding! Sounds like you have any amazing toyota dealer. They are few and far between. I have a great one here by me too. But that rare these days.
Subscribed. You are dropping facts
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video
I was going to buy a 2022 Tundra but then I saw one and drove it . Nothing like my 2007 Tundra. I bought my first 2023 GMC AT4 and it workd for me. No problems so far and very capable . I have had Toyotas my whole life. Not anymore unless Toyota changes the way they do business and stop building disposable vehicles!!
100% agree and understand that. Plus the at4 trucks are outstanding
If Toyota loses their quality leadership, they will lose their market position. It is a shame the US market has all of these emission standards that limit our choices. I’ll just hold onto my 2012 FJ Cruiser Trail Teams.
Gov here surenis making a mess of the auto industry. Buy toyota dug it's own hole.
I was determined to get a 2023 Corolla XSE hatchback at MSRP last year....I made it happen, but yeah...this guy isn't lying when he says you gotta be calling around for a while to get what you want.
Toyota definitely makes it hard to buy from them now.
I got a 2024 4Runner sr5 premium.
I am hoping it gives me that Toyota reliability we all know and love. So far I miss my 2016 Tundra.
But the 4Runner is growing on me.
That 4 runner is the last great quality built suv made.
I appreciate your honesty and telling it like it is.
All the best!
@@GlenGGonsalves thank you. Appreciate that and glad you are enjoying them
I think Chevy is going to make a big comeback in the midsize truck market with this gen's Colorado.
Agree 100% And their Customer service right now is second to none.
Preach.
Damn, so much of this is spot on. Toyota changed. It isn't the same company from pre-pandemic.
To be fair, some of this is not isolated to Toyota. I dealt with allocation with Chevy. It is a roll of the dice. Toyota took it to another degree though. And the pkg/options with Toyota was always a PITA. When I got my 5th Gen 4R, no dealer in SoCal had a TRD ORP without moon roof. The awesome folk at Carson Toyota (❤) managed to get one from the factory diverted to them. But you know what?.... those days are gone.
The one you hit on that really hit was the lies. Like the width. Spot on. Toyota talked big about wider stance, and they did it the most weasel way possible (shout out to Tinkers Adventures for calling this out too).
Excellent vid. 👍🏻👍🏻
because they have to compete, people buy Japanese
Agree its crazy the stuff toyota is doing now.
Another great video thank you for being honest and truthful. Hope you and the family are well. Seems like nobody wants to hear the truth about anything anymore. They rather believe a lie they have to deal with the fact that they’ve been lied to Toyota is a joke and this is coming from a person that owned Manny Toyotas Toyota is now like America thing of the past and only getting worse. Be blessed. Keep up the good work we appreciate you.🙏
Agree 100% blessings to you and your family as well
I bought my 2022 tacoma trd offroad when used vehicles were through the roof and got a great trade in value but they tried to talk me into other allocated vehicles after I already picked a truck. They tried to sell my allocated truck to another person!!! They had 5 trucks at the time and they wanted me to buy one of those after I picked an incoming truck. I will be getting a pre-owned 5th gen 4runner in like 5 years for 35k
Love the 22 tacoma and the trd off road is my favorite trim level. Great truck
Good video Jason thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
Well my 2017 Taco is a great truck, has its quirks as it has 120k on it but it well maintained- cost me $31k in 2017 SR5 4x4 which is now comparable to any TRD Pro with my upgrades. Probably my last new truck purchase
And thr 3rd gen taco is amazing. Miss it already
WHAT truck brand do you recommend?
Any of them! They are all the same today. Quality, reliability, cost to own, resale, etc. Every truck is the same giver or take a smidge. Pic the one that had the options you like and fits your budget best and your needs. I drive a gladiator not because it's the best truck but because it's the best truck for my lifestyle (300 miles a week in backwoods and swamps) and with the crazy deals it was the below my budget.
@@nowashburn thanks for commenting
I love your videos bro, people need to call out greedy corporates. I currently own a 2017 Hilux and a 2022 VW Tiguan but if I have to buy a pick up it will always be a Toyota, daily driver I usually would go Mercedes Benz. In our market however, the dealers are open to negotiations and I am quite good at that and will never pay recommended prices. Sticker prices never bother me because I would never pay that. I negotiated my way to a great deal by going to 4 dealers and make them beat the previous best offer. If consumers stop buying, the dealers would fold trust me 😊
Man I wish we could get the diesel hilux here! So jealous.
@@SamkoWorkShop It is more agricultural and very good offroad but not the most fastest or comfortable, but is bulletproof as hell, hence why the global Land Cruiser will carry on with the diesel from the Hilux. It is the truck you buy if you intend on just doing commercial/agricultural stuff and it is quite popular with mines and car hire companies because it is one hell of a reliable engine. In Fact, globally the upcoming 2025 Hilux will retain that engine
@@braalo07 yep its a tool. And a damn good one
Speaking the truth and giving fact based personal experience is rare and very much appreciated. Thankyou Sir. I will add, it shouldn't be surprising that people are highly opinionated, defensive and divisive about certain brands and products. Vaccination vs anti Vaccination, round earth vs flat earth, climate change vs climate change denial, conservative vs liberal, Ranch on "EVERYTHING" vs, why so many different flavors of marinade if most people just end up dipping it in Ranch before eating anyway... Everyone has their lane, their loyalties, and their opinions. This is a good thing. Fanboy vs non fanboy? What works for me is more important than sweating over what other people debate, argue and foam at the mouth about. Do your research and go with what makes sense to you.
All very true statements and well said
They put on cheap versions of the wildpeaks at3 on the tundra and i can see it on the upcoming new 4runner aswell with the toyo at3. You can see the thread depths is shallow compared to the versions that you can get at the tire shop. The oem tires on the 4runner TRD Pro will wear out in 15-20k miles. Just like how it did on the pro tundra.
Yep. This wildpeak is called at3w-a. It's a sad version for sure.
I hope more Americans open their eyes to this robbery that's going on with car manufacturers, I personally own an old jeep grand cherokee, yes it's old with many miles, it breaks I fix it, it's cheap and I don't need a masters degree to do a simple oil change.
Agree 100%
producing on allocation is an effort by manufactures to build vehicles with the parts that are currently available or at the price point they require...soon it will be like in the beginning..."you can have any color you want as long as it is black"---Henry Ford sometime in the early 20th century.
Yes it's a algorithm. Individual special orders mess up production. The algorithm I expect depends on what is mostly like to sell, how many, previous dealer sales. So I suspect they will allocate say more limited models to California and more offroad models to North Dakota. Less wealthy areas will get more base models. Areas more likely to buy or want rwd will get more rwd. Because it's successful 98 percent of the time. Where I am we get a lot of off-roads and sr5 with upgrade. Not as many limited models a few but not a lot. 2wds are rare around the dealers here. But if you live in south Texas probably a lot more 2wd is allocated. It really makes sense. Unless you are trying to get a certain truck with limited allocation to your area.
I wanted a sunroof. Finding one in the off-road trim around here was about impossible. Plenty of off-roads. Just no sunroof.
For me to get my sunroof it takes a sunroof that's allocated elsewhere. All production runs are preplanned and parts pre made.
If they let 2000 extra people get special orders with sunroofs it messes up the system.
They likely trust dealers response to adjust the algorithm. So the 2000 undelivered sunroofs would require the dealers of those to ask for more trucks with sunroofs. Lot of it I think comes back to dealers and how much they communicate
Yep it's all algorithm based. But sucks so bad for the customer. There is a reason all other manufacturers let customers order. They care about thier customers
You are spot on. But all other manufacturers let us the customer order. Because all other manufacturers care about their customers. Toyora not so much. I have bought or helped family buy 11 new cars in the last 2 years. 4 toyotas. And toyota by far is the worst car buying experience of all brands
@@SamkoWorkShop did you see my post about how many vehicles they sell a year? It's stream lined. You may not have wanted your running boards but they sell so many it's more costly to change a order. You'll either buy it (which you did) or someone else will. I wanted my sunroof. I bought without one anyway. If I didn't someone else would buy it. They give plenty of choices they figure someone will buy them. Finding a standard transmission or a base model might be difficult. But really they aren't trying to make everyone happy just appease the majority. And as you and I showed. We'll buy it anyway.
The packages are standardized, colors standardized. Occasional unicorn but mostly it's cooky cutter. They sell millions.
The other manufacturers aren't so easy either. I caught a article on someone that put in a order for a loaded Ford Maverick. Months goes by. Goes into production. It's not loaded though. Dealer says he can't stop it. Take it or leave it. The guy takes the truck and then orders another maverick. Same thing.
He's just trying to get a loaded Maverick.
My suspicion is. Yes. They say you can order. You can then in turn order. But that does not mean they will actually fulfill your order at ford (or anywhere). And after waiting months if it's not exactly what you ordered you'll probably take it anyway (like he did) because you've already waited months
You need to do some on dealer lot search for you to negotiate a vehicle. Keep looking at the dealer lots and walk around and see how they slowly go back to MSRP and negotiate from there and look for deals.
Thanks