I really don’t understand why you don’t get at least 10 times the amount of views. Supreme quality videography. Great story telling. Insane skiing. Consistency. It’s a shame that so many other content creators are getting so much more attention, despite the lack of personality and all the above...felt like saying that, although this hasn’t anything to do with the actual video, sorry haha
Mainstream in terms of redbull & monster media is getting Views. Consciesness and high quality live aparently doesn't get the clicks. In my opinion he's the best contemporary skier. I did extreme skiing myself, grew Up in a steep alpine area, but by far not what and how he does it... he's Just amayzing!!!
As an Aussie we 100% need Gore-Tex down here. It hovers around +/- 0C and if it is snowing it melts on your outerwear. It can be raining at the bottom and turns to snow half way up the lift. Snowboarding in Hokkaido on the other hand you can get away with just a well insulated 10k jacket as it sits around -15C so always dry powdery snow.
The PNW is the place for 3L gore tex, or if you're poor then a full set of Newfie fishin' slickers. It's often bucketing rain at the base & nuking snow at the peaks, with wind and all kinds of sleet, graupel, & hail in between - you won't last an hour without good equipment. All exposed clothing will be wet, then frozen, then covered in rime ice.
I made the switch a couple years ago. Gore-Tex is only for if I'm going to get wet for sure or there is some extreme wind. Otherwise, I'm breathing free with a soft shell!
I think there is a lot of confusion with consumers over what Goretex IS. Plenty of people swear by buying it, but its just a brand. There are half a dozen or more Goretext membranes and tons of non-Goretex branded membranes that do the same thing. Using layers appropriate for the condition is key for sure
Ive had a raincoat from outdoor research with a polyurethane waterproof membrane, completely wet thru on me over 2 hours of rain :/ so not every one performs as well as gore-tex tho
i’ve also found that my 3 layer shell is often too much most of the time. i almost always tour and ski in my light puffy and i only use the shell when it’s really windy or cold
Great video. Totally agree. Unless you’re skiing in heavy snow or rain, gore-tex really isn’t needed. I got a few pieces made of Polartec Neoshell for that reason - good enough weather protection in light snow but much more breathable than gore-tex. (ps, gore-tex isn’t woven. It’s a Teflon membrane that’s stretched into sheets and bonded to a face fabric, such as nylon or polyester. The face fabric typically is woven and also plays an important part of your clothing’s weather protection. The face fabric in a good piece of gear is typically covered with a durable water repellent (DWR) that’s the first layer of defense in repelling water from your clothing.)
Great videos with no intrusive flash bang wallop music or disco lighting. It was nice to hear you pronounce Norrona, as I've got a store full of it (not all new though) and still can't pronounce it properly!
Sooooooo smooth! Your sincere delivery coupled with your obviously COUNTLESS HOURS in these garments should really impress Norrona! I'm still sponsored at 58, yet you make me wanna kit out in Norrona! My daughter (Dewa, 13) and i just LOVE your vibe; you set a solid example for kids who rip like her! THANK YOU! love from Durango, Colorado, USA! (can we move to Norway when Dewa turns 18? please!??!)... keep crushin'..
I don't ski, but as one who hikes in the winter, I can definitely agree that gore-tex gets hot. I normally just don't wear it as it is often too cold to snow when I am out.
thats why there are 3 layers of wear...most of time when we ascend we dont use hard shell and walk only in mid layer...using hardshell only when riding
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS, just discovered your channel, love itttt and like many have already said it, I don't understand how come you don't have millions subs yett your videos are amazing! keep it up
My take on it: If you bought goretex gear to shelter your from summer rain, you can use it with warm inner layers in the winter. If you don't have any, just get a basic winter coat at a thrift store. It will be cheap and do the job without burning 200-300$
i think the issue is that the company's name is gore and their membranes/textiles all share the name goretex. Some of the other fabrics/membranes in the pieces mentioned are made by gore yes, but they aren't the "traditional" waterproof breathable membrane that is typically being referred to when people say "goretex".
I get way too hot touring in my goretex shell. I usually wear an Ulvang sweater with a thin base layer under. I always bring my goretex shell in case it gets windy or there is precipitation. Packable down for standing at the top.
I've worn a shell style coat with a regular cotton t shirt plus a long sleeve t shirt and then just boxers plus snowboarding pants and some snuggly socks and never had any issues in all conditions.
I've spent 95% of my mountain time without gore-tex cuz I'm poor. I finally got some gore-tex gear a while ago. I find the wind whips right through it. I usually run hot and never bother with a mid layer, but I find I have to with gore-tex due to it not blocking the wind. I save my gore-tex for wet/slushy conditions only.
Goretex is windproof. If you feel air coming in could be something in the jacket's design (pockets, zippers...). It could also be just a feeling: if the wind is strong it pushes the jacket on your body, and without layers, you are just feeling the cold. @E F Goretex gives protection from water and wind, 0 insulation properties!
Thanks for the hybrid approach insight. The lawyer system is too much of a silver bullet. And really cool that you're talking the time to answer some of the comments.
Could you say something on the factory production of Norrona, Nikolai? As one of the most expensive outdoor brands, it seems like there is a lot of money spent on ensuring sustainability close to home, but is there also a commitment to fair wages in the Asian factories that mass manufacture the product? If I bought the Lofoten jacket and pants, it would be £1148 GBP. What percentage of this would go to the person in China making the product?
I don’t know the accurate numbers, but from what I’ve been told the margin on the high end gore-tex and similar aren’t that good actually. Compared to what you’ll find in fashion (jeans/t-shirts/..). There’s of course a huge difference in what a Norwegian worker and a Chinese worker is paid, and that’s a big part of the reason manufacturing isn’t done here. I don’t think the way the world works like that is super cool. Norrøna does third party checks on all production though, to make sure they have certain workplace standards in place.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Thanks Nikolai, I appreciate the response. I can imagine a significant chunk goes back into the costs of design and creating products in the first place. I can also imagine that if you try to create top end technical clothing, the choice is either mass production in Asia, or not making products at all, particularly if the margins are so low and you still have to compete. It does seem like the outdoor industry is poor considering the environment they operate in. If you take a look at goodonyou.eco it rates companies including major outdoor wear. Some do well in 'planet' and 'animals', but all are poor in 'people', i.e. paying a fair wage. Patagonia and event TNF have better tracking than Norrona, but all need to do better, as you mentioned. I'm just happy you're supporting givedirectly, I feel like this and your partnerships with low carbon initiatives might be offsetting some of the damage caused by the companies we rely on to actually venture into the mountains in the first place. Thanks again Nikolai.
I’ve never been in a situation where I needed/wanted completely waterproof clothes. When it’s below 0°C water is solid anyway and above 0°C I’m sweating too much. I’ve found that “breathable” fabrics only really start breathing when your base layer is completely wet from sweat.
Early season, late season, lower lattitude coastal mountains with 0 to -5 snow melting as it hits you, lower mountain raining... I spent my early years on snow SOAKED.
Really nice! Didn't know u gonna continue right away.... posting at least.. great stuff, got same shit from other brands & happy with IT! Although I use silk/woll mix as long underwear top & bottom,, best ever in combination with 2 layers of thin wollen knee socks...
I do think that most of the people are going out with way to much gear. A friend told me recently: "Be bald, be cold!" and that true. I spent so many days ski-mountaineering in short pants beside full body covered people that I started to ask: "how do they dress when it turns rough?" I think your message is better than the word you used to spread it. Keep on doing, this is all that matters.
cool video! but don't get a couple points like wool keeps you warmer when it gets wet? goretex repels moisture while wool will not warm you up, it will just not get you cold, a big difference. It's why I prefer wool as a baselayer, not a shell
So when you post videos about yourself skiing the Lyngen alps, is that an everyday thing through the winter or do you actually spend most of your time travelling? Just interested in how a winter goes along for you.
Cool video nice marketing 😜. I have Goretex and find it good for resort skiing when not too hot but for ski ⛷ touring I cooked last year so got a Soft Shell (Patagonia Upstride) and loved it. Still fingering out my base layers though as I tend to overheat quickly.
Can you pitch Norrøna on making these type of layers in a free ride cut? We(royal) need gear for high aerobic output that is a baggy cut and looks stylish. These pieces are high quality and probably work great but look like dad clothes.
Just and FYI Gore-Tex's membrane is not a weave, it is ePTFE which basically looks like a web and is made up of a microporous fibrous structure, otherwise you got the basic performance properties correct.
One thing nobody ever mentions is that gore tex is practically not breathable. Goretex can stop water and let out air sure, but it always has an outer layer to protect the fragile goretex, and that layer is not waterproof, which means it can wet out, which will then be unbreathable.
Hi Niko, thanks for the insight. I noticed you wearing the "Ski/snowboard Bib" (= lofoten-bib) with the lyngen pants instead of the "mountainieering bib" (= lynging-bib). Do they fit both ways? I like the lofoten one more since it is higher. Thanks :-) If it fits the way I asked, I will order the kombi right away, you sold me good on that one ;-)
I think you can mix and match, I'm using Tamok pants zipped to a Lofoten jacket, as long as the sizes match somewhat, zippers should be all the same. The thin, finetoothed zipper kind, smaller teeth than the main jacket zipper.
@@JakkeJakobsen I wrote Norrona as well, they said it does not fit. So a quick comment of Niko would be nice, since he is wearing it this way as far as I can tell ;-)
Hi there! They don’t fit 100%, as your zipper won’t zip all the way up, but it still works fairly well. You just have a little flap of excess fabric that hasn’t been zipped all the way up.
i think the issue is that the company's name is gore and their membranes/textiles all share the name goretex. Some of the other fabrics/membranes in the pieces mentioned are made by gore yes, but they aren't the "traditional" waterproof breathable membrane that is typically being referred to when people say "goretex".
I went back and watched your backcountry set up and saw you were using the old Hoji boots. Great boots are you planning on trying his new pair he is releasing this year?
I have a pair on order actually. I do think I’ll stick to the old version for most days though! I like them snug and stiff. Seems very good for the longer more toury and less sendy days though
Yes, I would! It’ll last you a decade (my dad’s still in the first stuff I got in 2011), and then if you want more fair weather pieces later you can slowly add those :) If you sign up for the loyalty program (a newsletter basically) you get a 7 year warranty on whatever you buy
Just as a heads up, if you are younger than 18 and still growing multiple cms a year. I would just go with an all in one winterjacket. They are just so much cheaper an it would be a shame if you would outgrow your 500.- goretex setup after two seasons. Same goes for skis, if you use them for less than 5 weeks a year, I would just rent them.
I went for the layering opti0n ...not for a gore....because I could not offer gore....and I must say that I was touring on very stormy weather this season and it kept me very comfortable even in extreme wind and snow.....I would see plus in gore only when no wind and snowing heavily or raining .....or for powder skiing. For general touring I love performance of base-mid-softshell-down Thinking to get me 3L gore but pant only....But I am not sure if bibs....it kind of caused holding a lot of sweat on my belly (yes I am not the sportiest :D)
Hey Nikolai! HUGE fan I love your videos. Question for you, do you have an airbag in you back country backpack? I am looking at buying a backpack and wonder whether I should drop the extra dough for the airbag backpacks
Hey Nikolai One video, I would be interested in is: How do you get fit for ski touring? Due to the pandemic, I have been ski touring for the first time this winter, my legs were on fire the first few times. I could barely ski down.
@@vitaminb4869 I agree that is one solution. Before ski touring this winter, I was running 100K plus per month and working an active job. I was wondering if Nikolai has a pre-winter training regime. To add in his last video, he did mention that the skier with long hair will go to the gym to train his muscles...
@@lifeinvader2039 no one really trains for "ski touring". You can run as much as you want, but different sports usually use a different set of muscles that don't always carry over from one to another. It's normal to be extra sore after the first few times doing a new activity or workout/exercise.
Well during running you are fairly light because your shoes are lighter than skis and you do not have to carry heavy equipment. Therefore running is good for ascending on skis but the downhill is more strength dependent because there are greater forces occuring in shorter time . You should include some strength training. Basic squats ( and squat variations) and nordic curls will do the trick.
Given your interest in the environment, I was expecting this to be a critique of gortex and the very toxic DWR finish that's required for the shell to maintain the waterproof qualities. Helly Hansen won awards this past year for their Infinity Pro (Lifa) shell as it requires NO toxic DWR finish... Take a look and see what they've done to eliminate this unfortunate requirement for all other waterproof shells.
All DWRs are not the same. You’re concerned about the PFCs right? Gore eliminated all of the toxic PFCs from their DWR many years ago. After which the products were actually less waterproof for a while, before they were able to develop new ones that did the same job without the harm PFCs cause. Or is there a different part of the DWR you mean?
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Unfortunately, we are finding that no PFC is non-toxic (not just PFOA/PFOS) (a quick google scholar search will reveal this and I'm currently starting a research project in this area). Gore does produce some non-PFC DWR textiles, so they are on the right path! I did the technology survey for a Patagonia case competition on DWRs a few years ago and it is great to see how much the industry has been exploring alternative DWR chemistry. There was nothing commercially available even 5 years ago! The part that holds up many companies moving away from PFCs is the oil repellency and that consumers have to do a bit more work to keep their garments waterproof. The Outdoor Research non-PFC goretex jacket I have requires periodic dryer time to refresh the waterproof qualities. A small price to pay for a non-PFC DWR in my opinion, but OR has been terrible at communicating this to their customers!
I thought DWR makes the fabric hydrorepellent, but even without it goretex would still be waterproof. Am I wrong? I've seen my shell without DWR, wet outside, dry inside.
Super informative video Nikolai, how tall are you and which size are you wearing, cause i feel like we are the same bodytype so i can you can use ur data as an orientation
I never understood why people ski in anything waterproof. I'm on the hill 100 days a year, but have never had a problem with softshell and DWR'd nylon. Do y'all just like to sweat, or what is it? Actual waterproof fabrics are for the rest of the year.
Hey, I have a question regarding this gear you just showcased. I am looking to buy gear for hiking and skiing. Is there any way I could reuse any of the products for both activities? Something like goretex shell and pants? Or maybe some hybrid layer would be better? Hiking would be done in autumn and spring and then the gear would also be used for winter skiing. Nothing crazy though, just regular tracks. I just don't want to buy a jacket for each activity, I want to reuse some clothes at least. Do you have any recommendations? I know its been some time after this video, but I think the topic is still relevant 😀
Hey man! I would check out the Norrøna Falketind collection. It works great for all activities year round. Whiteout, which is a sub-brand of Norrøna, is also great for that purpose. It's a little cheaper because of a different business model, but the same quality.
Not related to the clothing you wear while skiing, but I've noticed in a couple of videos some kind of snow plate you wear under your boots for steep snowy ascents. Can you share a link for those? They look very useful for certain types of snow.
I've used the verts (but lost them now sadly). They're not on the market yet, but this season I've been on the auftriib. half the weight and they have crampons.
How's the primaloft anorak fabric resisting to the friction of the backpack belt in the waist area ? I find that in general a fleece will degrade much more than a gore-tex jacket.
I haven’t noticed any wear. The face fabric is fairly heavy duty. That being said, one of the downsides of the whole pro athlete thing as that I rarely wear gear more than a season, so I don’t get the best feel for the long term durability.
I have a question that is irrelevant to the video but hopefully, you can give an answer. You drive the BMW i3 right? Does that fit your skis and other equipment too and if it does, can you still have passengers in the car? I guess all in all I'm asking if it's a good car for the lifestyle. (Kinda on the lookout for a car myself :))
It's a swiss brand called "Auftriib". But they are not for sale yet but the owner is giving some of them to athletes and video producers to gain the viewers attention :)
Don't know if you will answer if I ask in Norwegian (because maybe others want to know), but if I want one jacket to rule them all, should I go for one that's more insulating or one that's lighter? There are obvious pros and cons to both, but is it better to plan on layering more beneath? I've been recommended Norrøna by my brother, should I go for the Lofoten Pro or the Lofoten Insulated?
One to do it all? Maybe Falketind as a jacket (my favorite) and Lyngen pants? I came back from the swiss alps yesterday and out of 25 days of ski touring, climbing and general alpinism i used my Lofoten set 2 out of 25 days. The rest i used Falketind GTX jacket, falketind down jacket, and Fjørå Flex1 pants. The main reason i went with that setup was the practicality when wearing climbing harness, ropes and other gear having clothes that sits a bit closer to the body is a big plus in my mind, have to add that weather was rather sunny and dri as well Fjørå is not windproof nor waterproof just chill to wear doesn´t really fit over the boots either but i think Lyngen pants would be perfect. Lofoten series (had it for 7 years) is great when ski touring and freeriding but not my favorite when you add alpinism on top. But i guess that's a preference thingy, and that Nikolai probably has some good advices on the topic
Åsmund has good input! But yeah, if you want the most versatile jacket don’t get the insulated version. You’ll regret it in warmer temps. And you can always add a layer beneath your shell when it’s colder.
The textile industry is super dirty (second only behind oil I think), and Brad and the rest of the team at Norrøna are working really hard at making it less so
Hey! I wanted to check in on the environmental impacts for the companies in both your clothing video and ski video. It doesn't sound like it's been much of a topic in the ski industry but maybe you could discuss what each company is doing in terms of environmental initiatives and how they are making their products cleaner? Companies like Patagonia have been leading this effort for some time but I am sure others are doing things to help too? Thanks!
Hi there Patrick, Actually plenty of brands are doing better than Patagonia in that area, they’re just not as good at the marketing. Norrøna ranks above them for example on the textile exchange leaderboards for use of earth friendly materials. Lots of momentum in the outerwear category. The hardware side is moving a bit slower from what I can tell. I’m of course sponsored by Norrøna snd have been for a decade, so I know their story the best, but yeah! I’m hopeful seeing the changes all over the industry
Yeah or I mean that kind of quality will cost you about that no matter what brand you go for (arcteryx, patagonia, high end north face). You have a 7 year warranty and a lifetime of repairs, so it’s a long term investment. I meet people running around the mountain in 90s Norrøna gear still.
Its to prevent snow coming in youre pants when plowing through deep snow.. if you need mre breathability, try opening youre pockets ad even the front zipper.
Like niokolai, I've found a windbreaker is a crucial piece in the winter! Most days, even down to -15C I'm touring in a base layer + windbreaker or a fleece + windbreaker.
Out of Content....but: you should do a Session once with Andri Ragettli....U both are the most healthy and best contemporary skiers not only technically but spirituelly in terms of personality and 'go your own way'... Give it a thought...
@@DavidGoliath1 except breathability which is the most important category for high output activities where you aren't going to be rained on like skiing. goretex infinium is much better than pro for skiing
Pertex is slightly less breathable than the best Gore-Tex laminates (more breathable than the old and lower end stuff) while having less waterproofing. It is also heavier than shake-dry, its primary competitor. It is primarily good if you want a less expensive alternative to high end Gore-Tex products.
No quality outerwear brand designed to fit and work well for life in the outdoors will be. They spend millions on research and development and design of their products, from fabric technology, to design and fit, eco friendly manufacturing, it all costs a ton. That being said, this level of quality usually comes with some sort of guarantee, and a lot of the products if maintained properly will last 10 years or more, unlike most fashionable clothing.
@@acadiamusic514 but it is a little bit to much money for me to use on outdoor clotes you can buy a jacket for under 100 usd and a Lofoten jacket from norrona costs 800+ usd
Disagree. Syntethic instead of merino transfer moisture extremely fast and dry fast. I love merino but sometimes must use synthetic. Mammut has nice fabric.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Toxic chemicals are often used to preserve wool, and these chemicals often pollute the waterways, affecting communities living along the banks. Tbh I have no idea what's worse, I just don't like the idea of using animals for pleasure...
Man Norrona must love you, you are a great salesman
Even more now with the audience he's growing on CZcams haha but totally deserves it
Ha and I did so bad working at that cell phone shop in high school. Who would’ve thought😅
I really don’t understand why you don’t get at least 10 times the amount of views. Supreme quality videography. Great story telling. Insane skiing. Consistency. It’s a shame that so many other content creators are getting so much more attention, despite the lack of personality and all the above...felt like saying that, although this hasn’t anything to do with the actual video, sorry haha
Good rant though haha. Appreciate you taking the time to watch
Mainstream in terms of redbull & monster media is getting Views. Consciesness and high quality live aparently doesn't get the clicks. In my opinion he's the best contemporary skier. I did extreme skiing myself, grew Up in a steep alpine area, but by far not what and how he does it... he's Just amayzing!!!
still one of the most underrated skiers. our community loves your videos and especially your message. Big props from Tirol. Go for it Nikolai.
Thanks to Tirol! I miss riding there
As an Aussie we 100% need Gore-Tex down here. It hovers around +/- 0C and if it is snowing it melts on your outerwear. It can be raining at the bottom and turns to snow half way up the lift. Snowboarding in Hokkaido on the other hand you can get away with just a well insulated 10k jacket as it sits around -15C so always dry powdery snow.
Those are exactly the kind of conditions you need gore-tex for, agreee🙌
The PNW is the place for 3L gore tex, or if you're poor then a full set of Newfie fishin' slickers. It's often bucketing rain at the base & nuking snow at the peaks, with wind and all kinds of sleet, graupel, & hail in between - you won't last an hour without good equipment. All exposed clothing will be wet, then frozen, then covered in rime ice.
I made the switch a couple years ago. Gore-Tex is only for if I'm going to get wet for sure or there is some extreme wind. Otherwise, I'm breathing free with a soft shell!
My man posted 2 times in a day:))))
I think there is a lot of confusion with consumers over what Goretex IS. Plenty of people swear by buying it, but its just a brand. There are half a dozen or more Goretext membranes and tons of non-Goretex branded membranes that do the same thing. Using layers appropriate for the condition is key for sure
Definitely!
Ive had a raincoat from outdoor research with a polyurethane waterproof membrane, completely wet thru on me over 2 hours of rain :/ so not every one performs as well as gore-tex tho
You are clearly the most underrated youtuber within the skiing category right now, unbelieveable..
Far too kind!
When are you going to start skiing in Spandex?
oh soon man. So soon.
i’ve also found that my 3 layer shell is often too much most of the time. i almost always tour and ski in my light puffy and i only use the shell when it’s really windy or cold
Great video. Totally agree. Unless you’re skiing in heavy snow or rain, gore-tex really isn’t needed. I got a few pieces made of Polartec Neoshell for that reason - good enough weather protection in light snow but much more breathable than gore-tex. (ps, gore-tex isn’t woven. It’s a Teflon membrane that’s stretched into sheets and bonded to a face fabric, such as nylon or polyester. The face fabric typically is woven and also plays an important part of your clothing’s weather protection. The face fabric in a good piece of gear is typically covered with a durable water repellent (DWR) that’s the first layer of defense in repelling water from your clothing.)
Great videos with no intrusive flash bang wallop music or disco lighting. It was nice to hear you pronounce Norrona, as I've got a store full of it (not all new though) and still can't pronounce it properly!
Happy you were into it!
Sooooooo smooth! Your sincere delivery coupled with your obviously COUNTLESS HOURS in these garments should really impress Norrona! I'm still sponsored at 58, yet you make me wanna kit out in Norrona! My daughter (Dewa, 13) and i just LOVE your vibe; you set a solid example for kids who rip like her! THANK YOU! love from Durango, Colorado, USA! (can we move to Norway when Dewa turns 18? please!??!)... keep crushin'..
Yay! Keep shredding Steve and Dewa👊
You sound like fool…
You are an absolute legend Niko! Love your videos.
Thanks!
I don't ski, but as one who hikes in the winter, I can definitely agree that gore-tex gets hot. I normally just don't wear it as it is often too cold to snow when I am out.
thats why there are 3 layers of wear...most of time when we ascend we dont use hard shell and walk only in mid layer...using hardshell only when riding
Cool video. That thumbnail picture was so amazing. Would love to see more of just pure skiing in powder; it’s really relaxing to look at such views.
I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS, just discovered your channel, love itttt and like many have already said it, I don't understand how come you don't have millions subs yett your videos are amazing! keep it up
Thanks Chloé!
I've been wearing my grandads ski sweaters from the 70's to the resort and am usually the only one not in gore-tex. Its the best
My take on it: If you bought goretex gear to shelter your from summer rain, you can use it with warm inner layers in the winter.
If you don't have any, just get a basic winter coat at a thrift store. It will be cheap and do the job without burning 200-300$
“Why I stopped wearing gore-Tex” (everything still has gore-Tex)
i think the issue is that the company's name is gore and their membranes/textiles all share the name goretex. Some of the other fabrics/membranes in the pieces mentioned are made by gore yes, but they aren't the "traditional" waterproof breathable membrane that is typically being referred to when people say "goretex".
Yes. Joel nailed it. Idunno. It was more of a description of my journey from 3L Gore-Tex every day to seeing the potential in other setups too.
I get way too hot touring in my goretex shell. I usually wear an Ulvang sweater with a thin base layer under. I always bring my goretex shell in case it gets windy or there is precipitation. Packable down for standing at the top.
That's a good setup👊
Here in southern California we ski and snowboard in hoodies and t shirts. It's usually sunny and 15 C° during the day
I've worn a shell style coat with a regular cotton t shirt plus a long sleeve t shirt and then just boxers plus snowboarding pants and some snuggly socks and never had any issues in all conditions.
2 vids on 1 day!? It must be christmas.
I've spent 95% of my mountain time without gore-tex cuz I'm poor. I finally got some gore-tex gear a while ago. I find the wind whips right through it. I usually run hot and never bother with a mid layer, but I find I have to with gore-tex due to it not blocking the wind.
I save my gore-tex for wet/slushy conditions only.
I'm selling my goretex because its too cold
@@ef3345 I like goretex for rainy days during the late summer and mid autumn. Its just not that good as its marketed, especially breathability.
Goretex is windproof. If you feel air coming in could be something in the jacket's design (pockets, zippers...). It could also be just a feeling: if the wind is strong it pushes the jacket on your body, and without layers, you are just feeling the cold.
@E F Goretex gives protection from water and wind, 0 insulation properties!
nikolai spoiling us with gear content🙈🙈LMAO
Everything about this video is amazing. Love to appreciate the production talent it takes. Liked
Thanks for the hybrid approach insight. The lawyer system is too much of a silver bullet.
And really cool that you're talking the time to answer some of the comments.
Thanks!
Could you say something on the factory production of Norrona, Nikolai? As one of the most expensive outdoor brands, it seems like there is a lot of money spent on ensuring sustainability close to home, but is there also a commitment to fair wages in the Asian factories that mass manufacture the product? If I bought the Lofoten jacket and pants, it would be £1148 GBP. What percentage of this would go to the person in China making the product?
I don’t know the accurate numbers, but from what I’ve been told the margin on the high end gore-tex and similar aren’t that good actually. Compared to what you’ll find in fashion (jeans/t-shirts/..).
There’s of course a huge difference in what a Norwegian worker and a Chinese worker is paid, and that’s a big part of the reason manufacturing isn’t done here. I don’t think the way the world works like that is super cool. Norrøna does third party checks on all production though, to make sure they have certain workplace standards in place.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Thanks Nikolai, I appreciate the response. I can imagine a significant chunk goes back into the costs of design and creating products in the first place. I can also imagine that if you try to create top end technical clothing, the choice is either mass production in Asia, or not making products at all, particularly if the margins are so low and you still have to compete.
It does seem like the outdoor industry is poor considering the environment they operate in. If you take a look at goodonyou.eco it rates companies including major outdoor wear. Some do well in 'planet' and 'animals', but all are poor in 'people', i.e. paying a fair wage. Patagonia and event TNF have better tracking than Norrona, but all need to do better, as you mentioned.
I'm just happy you're supporting givedirectly, I feel like this and your partnerships with low carbon initiatives might be offsetting some of the damage caused by the companies we rely on to actually venture into the mountains in the first place.
Thanks again Nikolai.
I love your channel and gear advice. happy riding!
I’ve never been in a situation where I needed/wanted completely waterproof clothes. When it’s below 0°C water is solid anyway and above 0°C I’m sweating too much.
I’ve found that “breathable” fabrics only really start breathing when your base layer is completely wet from sweat.
Snow falling on you will melt and sip through, even if it's below 0C.
Early season, late season, lower lattitude coastal mountains with 0 to -5 snow melting as it hits you, lower mountain raining...
I spent my early years on snow SOAKED.
Really nice! Didn't know u gonna continue right away.... posting at least.. great stuff, got same shit from other brands & happy with IT! Although I use silk/woll mix as long underwear top & bottom,, best ever in combination with 2 layers of thin wollen knee socks...
Very good video. Answered all the how's and why's.
Came across this video by chance, absolutely amazing! Thank you 👌
I do think that most of the people are going out with way to much gear.
A friend told me recently: "Be bald, be cold!" and that true.
I spent so many days ski-mountaineering in short pants beside full body covered people that I started to ask: "how do they dress when it turns rough?"
I think your message is better than the word you used to spread it.
Keep on doing, this is all that matters.
Better looking at it than looking for it.
Good point! I've been switching kits to preserve my super waterproof gear, makes it last a long time!
Exactly!
you are the reason why I want Norrona gear badly, one day XD
cool video! but don't get a couple points like wool keeps you warmer when it gets wet? goretex repels moisture while wool will not warm you up, it will just not get you cold, a big difference. It's why I prefer wool as a baselayer, not a shell
I think I have done a poor job of communicating here :) I too use wool as a baselayer, not a shell
What a Cute, smart, kind person u are! Great info.
So when you post videos about yourself skiing the Lyngen alps, is that an everyday thing through the winter or do you actually spend most of your time travelling? Just interested in how a winter goes along for you.
Lyngen is for when I’m around home. I spend anywhere from 2-5 months on the road through the winter :)
Black diamond high line 3 layer shell outdoor gear magazine award too
Cool video nice marketing 😜. I have Goretex and find it good for resort skiing when not too hot but for ski ⛷ touring I cooked last year so got a Soft Shell (Patagonia Upstride) and loved it. Still fingering out my base layers though as I tend to overheat quickly.
Very well presented. Thumb up
Can you pitch Norrøna on making these type of layers in a free ride cut? We(royal) need gear for high aerobic output that is a baggy cut and looks stylish. These pieces are high quality and probably work great but look like dad clothes.
It is 100% happening.
Just and FYI Gore-Tex's membrane is not a weave, it is ePTFE which basically looks like a web and is made up of a microporous fibrous structure, otherwise you got the basic performance properties correct.
You are 100% correct
One thing nobody ever mentions is that gore tex is practically not breathable. Goretex can stop water and let out air sure, but it always has an outer layer to protect the fragile goretex, and that layer is not waterproof, which means it can wet out, which will then be unbreathable.
Beste gore-tex bukse for rando? Har sett mykje på trollveggen/ lyngen? Tips?
Digger videoene btw!
For rando ville jeg gått for lyngen🙌 om du går mest på feller, og gjør mindre alpinisme-missions mdd klyving på stein.
Takk!
Hey Nikolai, the picture on the right in the black frame is superb. Who’s it by? Great video as always!
Don’t know actually. This is just an AirBnB haha. Thanks!
Hi Niko,
thanks for the insight. I noticed you wearing the "Ski/snowboard Bib" (= lofoten-bib) with the lyngen pants instead of the "mountainieering bib" (= lynging-bib). Do they fit both ways? I like the lofoten one more since it is higher. Thanks :-)
If it fits the way I asked, I will order the kombi right away, you sold me good on that one ;-)
I think you can mix and match, I'm using Tamok pants zipped to a Lofoten jacket, as long as the sizes match somewhat, zippers should be all the same. The thin, finetoothed zipper kind, smaller teeth than the main jacket zipper.
@@JakkeJakobsen I wrote Norrona as well, they said it does not fit. So a quick comment of Niko would be nice, since he is wearing it this way as far as I can tell ;-)
Hi there! They don’t fit 100%, as your zipper won’t zip all the way up, but it still works fairly well. You just have a little flap of excess fabric that hasn’t been zipped all the way up.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Thanks a lot Niko!
When you bootpack couloirs, what are the snowshoe/crampon things on your feet?
What are your base and midlayers under your ski pants. I wear compression pants but am looking for other options to keep warm. Thanks!
but... its goretex? just 3 layers? was here looking for the non-PFAS suggestion
i think the issue is that the company's name is gore and their membranes/textiles all share the name goretex. Some of the other fabrics/membranes in the pieces mentioned are made by gore yes, but they aren't the "traditional" waterproof breathable membrane that is typically being referred to when people say "goretex".
I went back and watched your backcountry set up and saw you were using the old Hoji boots. Great boots are you planning on trying his new pair he is releasing this year?
I have a pair on order actually. I do think I’ll stick to the old version for most days though! I like them snug and stiff. Seems very good for the longer more toury and less sendy days though
If don't snow or rain... don't need for a layer, agree
If my budget is for a setup that could work with regular alpine skiing, would you recommend the goretex way?
Yes, I would!
It’ll last you a decade (my dad’s still in the first stuff I got in 2011), and then if you want more fair weather pieces later you can slowly add those :)
If you sign up for the loyalty program (a newsletter basically) you get a 7 year warranty on whatever you buy
Just as a heads up, if you are younger than 18 and still growing multiple cms a year. I would just go with an all in one winterjacket. They are just so much cheaper an it would be a shame if you would outgrow your 500.- goretex setup after two seasons. Same goes for skis, if you use them for less than 5 weeks a year, I would just rent them.
I went for the layering opti0n ...not for a gore....because I could not offer gore....and I must say that I was touring on very stormy weather this season and it kept me very comfortable even in extreme wind and snow.....I would see plus in gore only when no wind and snowing heavily or raining .....or for powder skiing. For general touring I love performance of base-mid-softshell-down
Thinking to get me 3L gore but pant only....But I am not sure if bibs....it kind of caused holding a lot of sweat on my belly (yes I am not the sportiest :D)
Hey Nikolai! HUGE fan I love your videos. Question for you, do you have an airbag in you back country backpack? I am looking at buying a backpack and wonder whether I should drop the extra dough for the airbag backpacks
Think he answered that somewhere else. I think NO because they had failed him multiple times. Or something
@@carlerikkopseng7172 Thank you!
I got one now, and wear it now and then. Depending on the trip :-)
Hey Nikolai One video, I would be interested in is:
How do you get fit for ski touring? Due to the pandemic, I have been ski touring for the first time this winter, my legs were on fire the first few times. I could barely ski down.
Ski tour more?
@@vitaminb4869 I agree that is one solution. Before ski touring this winter, I was running 100K plus per month and working an active job. I was wondering if Nikolai has a pre-winter training regime. To add in his last video, he did mention that the skier with long hair will go to the gym to train his muscles...
@@lifeinvader2039 no one really trains for "ski touring". You can run as much as you want, but different sports usually use a different set of muscles that don't always carry over from one to another. It's normal to be extra sore after the first few times doing a new activity or workout/exercise.
@@vitaminb4869 Ok thanks.
Well during running you are fairly light because your shoes are lighter than skis and you do not have to carry heavy equipment. Therefore running is good for ascending on skis but the downhill is more strength dependent because there are greater forces occuring in shorter time . You should include some strength training. Basic squats ( and squat variations) and nordic curls will do the trick.
I love it thanks!
Given your interest in the environment, I was expecting this to be a critique of gortex and the very toxic DWR finish that's required for the shell to maintain the waterproof qualities.
Helly Hansen won awards this past year for their Infinity Pro (Lifa) shell as it requires NO toxic DWR finish... Take a look and see what they've done to eliminate this unfortunate requirement for all other waterproof shells.
All DWRs are not the same. You’re concerned about the PFCs right? Gore eliminated all of the toxic PFCs from their DWR many years ago. After which the products were actually less waterproof for a while, before they were able to develop new ones that did the same job without the harm PFCs cause.
Or is there a different part of the DWR you mean?
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Unfortunately, we are finding that no PFC is non-toxic (not just PFOA/PFOS) (a quick google scholar search will reveal this and I'm currently starting a research project in this area). Gore does produce some non-PFC DWR textiles, so they are on the right path! I did the technology survey for a Patagonia case competition on DWRs a few years ago and it is great to see how much the industry has been exploring alternative DWR chemistry. There was nothing commercially available even 5 years ago! The part that holds up many companies moving away from PFCs is the oil repellency and that consumers have to do a bit more work to keep their garments waterproof. The Outdoor Research non-PFC goretex jacket I have requires periodic dryer time to refresh the waterproof qualities. A small price to pay for a non-PFC DWR in my opinion, but OR has been terrible at communicating this to their customers!
I thought DWR makes the fabric hydrorepellent, but even without it goretex would still be waterproof. Am I wrong? I've seen my shell without DWR, wet outside, dry inside.
Super informative video Nikolai, how tall are you and which size are you wearing, cause i feel like we are the same bodytype so i can you can use ur data as an orientation
Hi there,
I’m 187 and prefer XL in the shells and L in everything else
I never understood why people ski in anything waterproof. I'm on the hill 100 days a year, but have never had a problem with softshell and DWR'd nylon. Do y'all just like to sweat, or what is it? Actual waterproof fabrics are for the rest of the year.
Did you say the GT membrane is a woven fabric?? I don't think so. It's a PTFE film with pores for so far I know.
You’re right :) Bad language use from me. It’s a material with holes in it.
Hey, I have a question regarding this gear you just showcased. I am looking to buy gear for hiking and skiing. Is there any way I could reuse any of the products for both activities? Something like goretex shell and pants? Or maybe some hybrid layer would be better? Hiking would be done in autumn and spring and then the gear would also be used for winter skiing. Nothing crazy though, just regular tracks. I just don't want to buy a jacket for each activity, I want to reuse some clothes at least. Do you have any recommendations? I know its been some time after this video, but I think the topic is still relevant 😀
Hey man! I would check out the Norrøna Falketind collection. It works great for all activities year round. Whiteout, which is a sub-brand of Norrøna, is also great for that purpose. It's a little cheaper because of a different business model, but the same quality.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer thank you!
Not related to the clothing you wear while skiing, but I've noticed in a couple of videos some kind of snow plate you wear under your boots for steep snowy ascents. Can you share a link for those? They look very useful for certain types of snow.
They're called verts. Not sure if that's the brand Nikolai uses, but you'll find similar ones on google.
I've used the verts (but lost them now sadly). They're not on the market yet, but this season I've been on the auftriib. half the weight and they have crampons.
How's the primaloft anorak fabric resisting to the friction of the backpack belt in the waist area ? I find that in general a fleece will degrade much more than a gore-tex jacket.
I haven’t noticed any wear. The face fabric is fairly heavy duty. That being said, one of the downsides of the whole pro athlete thing as that I rarely wear gear more than a season, so I don’t get the best feel for the long term durability.
Could you talk about the atris. When and where you would bring it and such
Heyhey, I talk about how I use the atris in this video: czcams.com/video/5t3yWmcCk9Q/video.html
Paying the bills yo!
I have a question that is irrelevant to the video but hopefully, you can give an answer. You drive the BMW i3 right? Does that fit your skis and other equipment too and if it does, can you still have passengers in the car? I guess all in all I'm asking if it's a good car for the lifestyle. (Kinda on the lookout for a car myself :))
It's a little small. Works though! I'm in a Hyunday Kona now. It's still a little small, but works for 3-4 skiers on a day trip with the roof box.
What are this showels with spikes that you are hiking with on realy steep powder sections?
It's a swiss brand called "Auftriib". But they are not for sale yet but the owner is giving some of them to athletes and video producers to gain the viewers attention :)
@@seblukasser thnx for replay, a saw them only in his videos and didnt have clue what they are :D
Correct!
@@Nikolai_Schirmer thanx for replay!
Don't know if you will answer if I ask in Norwegian (because maybe others want to know), but if I want one jacket to rule them all, should I go for one that's more insulating or one that's lighter? There are obvious pros and cons to both, but is it better to plan on layering more beneath? I've been recommended Norrøna by my brother, should I go for the Lofoten Pro or the Lofoten Insulated?
One to do it all? Maybe Falketind as a jacket (my favorite) and Lyngen pants? I came back from the swiss alps yesterday and out of 25 days of ski touring, climbing and general alpinism i used my Lofoten set 2 out of 25 days. The rest i used Falketind GTX jacket, falketind down jacket, and Fjørå Flex1 pants. The main reason i went with that setup was the practicality when wearing climbing harness, ropes and other gear having clothes that sits a bit closer to the body is a big plus in my mind, have to add that weather was rather sunny and dri as well Fjørå is not windproof nor waterproof just chill to wear doesn´t really fit over the boots either but i think Lyngen pants would be perfect. Lofoten series (had it for 7 years) is great when ski touring and freeriding but not my favorite when you add alpinism on top. But i guess that's a preference thingy, and that Nikolai probably has some good advices on the topic
Åsmund has good input!
But yeah, if you want the most versatile jacket don’t get the insulated version. You’ll regret it in warmer temps. And you can always add a layer beneath your shell when it’s colder.
What mics do you use while touring and are you recording the entire time or just the important parts?
Tentacle sync, and tascam dr-10l. We record pretty much everything
Thought you were going to talk about the negative effect on the envoirnment that the manufacturing of gore tex has.
The textile industry is super dirty (second only behind oil I think), and Brad and the rest of the team at Norrøna are working really hard at making it less so
@@Nikolai_Schirmer the easiest way for you to make change would be to not promote anything with PFCs.
Do you only wear that 1 layer of pants? Is that warm enough?
I wear wool underwear under, and then I have down knickers I put on if I’m camping or staying still somewhere
hi Niko, what size pants (lyngen) are you in the video and what is your height and weight? well thank you :)
Hi there, I’m wearing XL and I’m 187 86kg
Hey! I wanted to check in on the environmental impacts for the companies in both your clothing video and ski video. It doesn't sound like it's been much of a topic in the ski industry but maybe you could discuss what each company is doing in terms of environmental initiatives and how they are making their products cleaner? Companies like Patagonia have been leading this effort for some time but I am sure others are doing things to help too? Thanks!
Hi there Patrick,
Actually plenty of brands are doing better than Patagonia in that area, they’re just not as good at the marketing. Norrøna ranks above them for example on the textile exchange leaderboards for use of earth friendly materials. Lots of momentum in the outerwear category.
The hardware side is moving a bit slower from what I can tell.
I’m of course sponsored by Norrøna snd have been for a decade, so I know their story the best, but yeah! I’m hopeful seeing the changes all over the industry
Will there be more NOK episodes this season??
Yes!
can you do a video about your boot setup
I get into it a little bit here czcams.com/video/5t3yWmcCk9Q/video.html
Gotta pitch the merch.
Im trying to purchase some used Norrona wear, it's expensive, but you seem to think its worth it ?
Yeah or I mean that kind of quality will cost you about that no matter what brand you go for (arcteryx, patagonia, high end north face). You have a 7 year warranty and a lifetime of repairs, so it’s a long term investment. I meet people running around the mountain in 90s Norrøna gear still.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for me. Love the channel, you are living the dream my man.
@@irishman3375 thanks!
So I've been thinking of cutting out the mesh in the vents on my lofoten pants, good ide or nah?
think it will ruin the warranty
Its to prevent snow coming in youre pants when plowing through deep snow.. if you need mre breathability, try opening youre pockets ad even the front zipper.
I’d go for it if you want more venting :)
My biggest concern has always been to find a good balance in my clothing system when it's warm with a cold breeze
That is hard. A baselayer with a windbreaker up top has done the trick for me
Like niokolai, I've found a windbreaker is a crucial piece in the winter! Most days, even down to -15C I'm touring in a base layer + windbreaker or a fleece + windbreaker.
Anyone knows the model of snowshoes he s using going up couloirs with powder?
They’re: auftriib.com
Agri i use same type and its working super
Out of Content....but: you should do a Session once with Andri Ragettli....U both are the most healthy and best contemporary skiers not only technically but spirituelly in terms of personality and 'go your own way'... Give it a thought...
In bc this is a death sentence 😅
Gore-Tex is not "tightly woven" (or woven at all) unlike it's predecessor water proof breathable fabric ventile used in Synergy Works parkas.
You sir are 100% correct
the functional part of gore-tex is not woven, it's a membrane.
neoshell, futurelight, and the new more brethable less "waterproof" goretex membranes are so much better than the classic goretex
I think Gore-Tex Pro still beats Futurelight in every category…
@@DavidGoliath1 except breathability which is the most important category for high output activities where you aren't going to be rained on like skiing. goretex infinium is much better than pro for skiing
What do you think about pertex
Pertex is slightly less breathable than the best Gore-Tex laminates (more breathable than the old and lower end stuff) while having less waterproofing. It is also heavier than shake-dry, its primary competitor. It is primarily good if you want a less expensive alternative to high end Gore-Tex products.
I have no experience with Pertex. Thanks for sharing Ruff!
Meanwhile me in full gortex military surplus 😳
this video is one big ad
What socks?
Lofoten mid weight merino: www.norrona.com/nb-NO/produkter/lofoten/lofoten-mid-weight-merino-sokker-lange/?color=1280&size=34-36&countryCode=NO&gclid=Cj0KCQiAs5eCBhCBARIsAEhk4r5oUPU_sk5lkbToYWW_azDs8UZu78SQCFvfo1ebjzFHfzOBq1fbBK4aArvCEALw_wcB
And how much money i this?? Because norrona Is not cheap
No quality outerwear brand designed to fit and work well for life in the outdoors will be. They spend millions on research and development and design of their products, from fabric technology, to design and fit, eco friendly manufacturing, it all costs a ton. That being said, this level of quality usually comes with some sort of guarantee, and a lot of the products if maintained properly will last 10 years or more, unlike most fashionable clothing.
@@acadiamusic514 but it is a little bit to much money for me to use on outdoor clotes you can buy a jacket for under 100 usd and a Lofoten jacket from norrona costs 800+ usd
Disagree. Syntethic instead of merino transfer moisture extremely fast and dry fast. I love merino but sometimes must use synthetic. Mammut has nice fabric.
What did we do to deserve two uploads in just a couple hours???
Arc'teryx OP
Wool needs sheep, sheep need food, sheep need water, sheep shit, sheep fart... not sure if wool is so environment friendly...
Yep yep. Not sure how that footprint compares to synthetics.
@@Nikolai_Schirmer Toxic chemicals are often used to preserve wool, and these chemicals often pollute the waterways, affecting communities living along the banks. Tbh I have no idea what's worse, I just don't like the idea of using animals for pleasure...
bruh u can buy a whole ass new skiis or snowboard instead of buying them pants