Lmao Aux Ti (ESTP) here, I keep searching everywhere for what Ti means or what it is. I really need to understand this function. Prolly means that I use it 🤔
After analyzing myself (lead Ti) and my business partner (lead Te) it seems like Ti and Te follow this pattern. Ti: Seeking Internal clarity (Ti), Seeking external certainty (Fe), Seeking Internal clarity (Ti) Te: Seeking Internal Certainty (Fi), Seeking external clarity (Te), Seeking Internal certainty (Fi) It's just all so interesting :)
This reminds me of all the arguments I used to have with my ISTJ dad, because he wants me to give reasons why people would value what I value or what I want to do, and made me feel like my feelings are invalid. At the same time, when I was able to come up with the reasons, somehow they always sound like lies to me. Because although those reasons are technically true, when it comes to your own feelings, there's a lot more to it than explicit reasons and social approval.
@@hydranonymmous before you settle on that, ask yourself, is your friend thinking process aided by the outside world or is it all internal? (i.e. does he rely on Te or Ti?)
If a person is Fe dominant, this means that their identity through feeling can still be discovered even though they are extroverted feelers. It might not be as strong as Fi dominant but they are still aware of it. This what you mean?
@Nameless King Yes BUT ISFPs and INFPs both tend toward people-pleasing behaviors, despite their lead Fi. It's a combination of functions though, rather than specifically isolating Fe. It's almost never that simple. Hope this helps clarify!
One way of looking at Ti that I've found useful is in 'setting boundaries'. This is a specific part of Ti of course and it's a little broader than that, but it can help. For example: An ESFJ will often have major boundary issues because they haven't spent time thinking about their personal reasons. Just the group values. This means that they will often not even realize that they're not setting any healthy boundaries and inevitably stretch themselves too thin. On the other hand, the INTP will often be all about setting boundaries (sometimes even forgoing human contact at all if they can), but have trouble integrating other people's values. Not sure if that helps people at all, but I've seen it so much I can't unsee the effect anymore.
As an ENFJ, I can say that my issues with setting boundaries come more from the fear or making someone unhappy more than a lack of thinking about my personal reasons. I know my exact personal views and spend a great deal of time thinking about them, but conflict is emotionally and even physically painful for me and the argument is just not worth it from that standpoint. I imagine ESFJ's might have similar issues.
I think we're all very good at rationalizing our demons. I suggest you take a look back when you're 50 and see if you still have the same opinion on this whole thing.
Andrea Barr I think its both. I have met ExFJ who are the same as you (great mentors), and other less mature that are strangers to themselves due to how little time they spend thinking "why the heck did I do this????" I think it's a matter of personal growth, but the fact is that Fe dominants struggle with exposing their personal reasons/establishing boundaries, because you guys feel so connected to other people (to a level that I admire but will never understand)
That's a good observation. It's true that I meet ExFJ's who are not as connected to their personal values. Having grown up with minority religious values, I personally am very familiar with having to defend my opinions and life choices....but I don't usually make an issue of personal difference unless a socially acceptable opportunity presents itself because I prefer unity. I think maturity level/life experience is (obviously) a factor with all types and their connection to their inferior functions. Mature introverted judging types are a joy to interact with whereas immature ones generally just come off as selfish and unconnected - much like immature extroverted judgers can seem inconsistent or wishy washy since they haven't developed the other side of their judgement axes which should ground them.
I want to mention that someone with an overdeveloped Fe will always have a bias to what they believe is true, just as someone with overdeveloped Fi will keep trying to make their values work out even though it hasn't happened in the real world yet.
Te: It does not matter what utensil you use to eat pasta with a fork and a spoon does the same thing Ti: I eat pasta with a spoon because with a fork the sauce slides off the pasta and half of it ends up at the bottom of the bowl whereas if i use a spoon it doesn't Fe: Restaurants often serve pasta on a plate to make it look fancy, my parents have also always fed me pasta on a plate - I eat pasta on a plate Fi: Eating pasta on a plate feels wrong because pasta is a bowl food and I like using bowls because it feels right to me so im going to eat pasta out of a bowl
Gotta update that graphic at 2:53. Ti is going long distance in a narrow sliver. Te is going short distance all over the spectrum. This causes friction between Ti and Te users because Ti users have to run all the way back from the edge of the horizon to connect with Te users, and if their trajectory is slightly off then the Ti user is just like a comet flying past the Te user in the sky.
As an INFJ, just because I have Fe doesn’t mean I’m not willing to get into conflict if necessary. My well-developed tertiary Ti is responsible for my ability to confront people if I need to get out the truth and to make judgements based on impartial needs instead of “Oh I want that it looks cool.” Or finding a woman based on logic over emotion. Like choosing a women because of good qualities about her personality that appeal to logic instead of looking at her body and choosing her because I find her attractive which’s appeal to people’s emotion, or in this case lust.
I am again seeing you categorize Te as deductive and Ti as inductive... this is the only thing on your entire channel that I disagree with. I think you have it backwards, can you perhaps share your reasons why you have done so? Meanwhile, I will share my reasons (personal reasons ;) )Ti works more in a closed system analogue to formal-logic and mathematics, while Te is more about empiricism and external data which is inductive... Te is broader in its application; for instance, seeing 50 white sheep and concludes that all or most sheep are white. Which is about getting consensus (tribe reasons). While with Ti it is more focused; more about inner knowing, using a closed system of deductive logic, which is good at pointing out flaws, and making new inferences followed from a premise e.g. Einstein's theory of general relativity. They are both nonetheless logic and powerful tools that are capable of being used by everyone who learns them, but if you are going to use those terms as analogies to help us understand the functions; I think they should be backwards... Then again there are not many people that understand these two words deeply i.e. inductive & deductive. Newton is not for nothing the father of empirical science which is heavily Te based. . . Before you use the counter-argument ''that science is not based on consensus but on facts'' let me point out to you that that is wrong, science is very much based on consensus which we formally refer to as an 'overwhelming intersubjective-agreement'. The consensus is constructed out of Te (external data) or as you call it tribe reasons While with math and logic it is pretty much set in stone because they work in a closed system (Ti/deductive). If you still disagree just research 'Godels Incompleteness'. ------ Even Dario Nardi the INTJ who measures types with EEG sees Ti as deductive: ''In preliminary neuroscience findings by Dario Nardi, Ph.D., strong Ti is correlated with being able to do multiple types of analysis at once. TiNe’s primarily use Deduction and Categorization: "Deduction - Linearly deriving solutions using verbal/symbolic reasoning. For example, if A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Using this region is like moving along the branches of a tree. Categorizing - Categorizing and defining concepts in a holistic way using a “best-fit” process. For example, it helps us determine whether a dolphin better fits in the mammal or fish category as it sorts many categories simultaneously." Notice the attributes of deductive logic 'linear' and 'symbolic' which has similar traits to Ti (linear more focusesd) & (symbolic more subjective) which I am not trying to be a dick here or disrespect your research, just curious why you have decided to put Ti with inductive rather than deductive... ------ The list below seems very Te to me, but I could be wrong. EMPIRICISM (IN FAVOR OF EMPIRICISM, AGAINST RATIONALISM): 1. Empiricism is Simpler: Compared to Empiricism, Rationalism has one more entity that exists: Innate knowledge. According to the Empiricist, the innate knowledge is unobservable and inefficacious; that is, it does not do anything. The knowledge may sit there, never being used. Using Ockham’s Razor (= when deciding between competing theories that explain the same phenomena, the simpler theory is better),1 Empiricism is the better theory. 2. Colors: How would you know what the color blue looks like if you were born blind? The only way to come to have the idea of blue is to experience it with your senses. (This objection only works possibly against Plato; see the introduction above again to see why this objection would not faze Descartes, Leibniz, or Chomsky.) 3. Imagination and Experience: How can we get the idea of perfect triangularity? We can extrapolate from our experience with crooked, sensible triangles and use our imagination to straighten out what is crooked and see what perfect triangularity is. 4. Rationalists have been Wrong about Their “Innate Knowledge”: Some medieval rationalists claimed that the notion of a vacuum was rationally absurd and hence it was impossible for one to exist. However, we have shown that it is possible.2 Reason is not the only way to discover the truth about a matter. 5. The Advance of Science: Much of science is founded on empiricist principles, and would not have advanced without it. If we base our conclusions about the world on empiricism, we can change our theories and improve upon them and see our mistakes. A rationalist seems to have to say that we’ve discovered innate knowledge and then be embarrassed if he or she is ever wrong (see examples such as the vacuum, above). 6. All Rationalists do Not Agree about Innate Knowledge: Rationalists claim that there is innate knowledge that gives us fundamental truths about reality, but even among rationalists (e.g., Plato, who believes in reincarnation and Forms and Descartes, who does not believe in either but does believe in a soul), there is disagreement about the nature of reality, the self, etc. How can this be, if there is innate knowledge of these things? While this list below seems very Ti to me. RATIONALISM (IN FAVOR OF RATIONALISM, AGAINST EMPIRICISM): 1. Math and Logic are Innate: Doesn’t it seem that mathematical and logical truths are true not because of our five senses, but because of reason’s ability to connect ideas? 2. Morality is Innate: How do we get a sense of what right and wrong are with our five senses? Since we cannot experience things like justice, human rights, moral duties, moral good and evil with our five senses, what can the empiricist’s ethical theory like? Hume (an empiricist) says morality is based solely on emotions; Locke says experience can provide us with data to show what is morally right and wrong, but does it seem that way to you? 3. Verifying Empiricism: Locke (an empiricist) says that our experiences tell us about the nature of reality, but how can we ever check our experience with what reality really is, in order to know that? Rationalists do not think we can, so we have to rely on reason. 4. Poverty of Stimulus Problem: Three year olds use language in ways that they are not explicitly taught. For example, they form original sentences from words that they haven’t heard put together in precisely that way before. Also, they start to understand grammatical rules before they even know what a noun or a verb is. If we can only say what we’ve heard said by others, how can three year olds speak as well as they do? This is known as the poverty of stimulus problem. You may think that Rationalism is strange, but it does a better job of explaining this problem than Empiricism. One way of choosing which of two theories is better (in addition to or instead of Ockham’s Razor - see Empiricism point #1 above) is asking, “Which theory explains the phenomena better?”1 5. Empiricism Undermines Creativity? According to Empiricism, you can combine things, separate them, and nothing else. With Rationalism, we come to experience with ready-made tools for creativity. E.g., Plato would say that we’re in touch with abstract, immutable realities, which provide lots of material with which to create. 6. Controllable Humans? According to Empiricism, human beings can be controlled and manipulated exceptionally easily. If we are nothing other than what we experience, then we should be able to be made to do whatever we’re taught. Rationalism has it that there is an invariable core (call it “human nature”) that refuses to be manipulated, which is what makes us unique. plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationalism-empiricism/
You can really see how much you have grown in your more recent videos when comparing it to your 2018 videos. This video is cold and detached. Your newer videos show more compassion and understanding for how and why people work the way they do. It's nice. Growth is a wonderful thing. You've been working on your demons.
This is really good. Could you make more videos about the NT/SF distinction? In particular with regards to regions of the brain. I'm fascinated by this.
T is about reasons. So a Te-user might look outside for reasons that the car should be fixed a certain way, while Ti might look inside to think about why the car should be fixed a certain way. That means an ESTJ is more likely to trust a car mechanic or if they're studying to be one, trust the teacher (anyone they respect usually) and follow the instructions to the letter. An ISTP on the other hand, will only trust their own (Ti) reasons and therefore will want to know exactly how the car works and how all of the aspects of it interconnect. They will form their own plan based on their personal reasons since that's the ones they trust. (I think by typing that I actually just learned a whole lot about typology myself)
1:25 yes yes yes! Ever since i found out I was INFJ (not by some stupid mcq test but after *months* of research and reflection) I've doubted my type because I have a very strong Ti and a somewhat repressed Fe, and also some Si (which is ImPoSsIbLe as some Karens believe because it's supposed to be inferior shadow) but how can a full grown human with any life experiences and complex emotions and thoughts be restricted to just 4 functions and in specific degrees that too. It's dumb to believe that people can't vary from the textbook definitions.
I know this is a year late but this is the exact experience I've had! Si's been quite kind to me throughout my life except when it's coupled with Fi during the really dark times. I've concluded that I used Ti more since schooling prioritizes thinking functions more, but I've never noticed how Fe just runs in the background 24/7 similarly to Se and almost mistakened it for Fi for some reason. I appreciate Te being completely absent from my stack since I know I could accomplish much more with Fe-Ti.
TBH I liked your older vids better. They were very clear, with lots of adjectives to describe how a type might look to an observer. With the new vids, I get the logic, but now I have no idea how I would recognize one process versus another (like Te vs Ti) in a day to day scenario.
Gonna be real with you Im either an INTP with a strong freeking Fe casue I really REALLY care about others and always care about how they feel and never want to talk about my emotions cuase its so awkward and uncomftalbe..but im also really sensitive and sympathetic, like I feel others emotions deeply and I get subconsciously drained out..cuase I know they are feeling hurt..but I don't want to act on it, its so awkward for me to do that. So I questioned being INFP.. I don't have morals like an infp and most decisions I do always go through a pro-con list first, and I always look at what looks better logically....but my emotions can get in the way but I do have social anxiety so that may be why?... I am very very emotional which is why I despise it when I have to show those emotions...I love logic and theories that aren't stem from emotions cuase I now when emotions are involved, then everyone becomes emotional....Eh..like I feel so bad for people and my self, and when ever I rely on emotions, it goes wrong cause I have no idea how to deal with my feelings..I think I do but I really don't... So I guess Im an extremely sensitive INTP..or a pretty insensitive (sometimes) logical, and TI INFP..cause I could never relate to Te..no matter what....Or maybe I got really undeveloped ti....who knows really....I took a quiz and it gave me 50% between intp and infp..so Im just bruh moment lmao Am happy to have a balance though...thats alright...even though it makes no sense....to really have fe and te...so unless maybe Im fi but care for others cause of my social anxiety..but I don't know...man...this myers briggs stuff confuses me so much
@@dakotad.8609 Well I hate talking about emotions cause I am mainly worried that it is too complex and confusing and that when I talk about my own emotions, I feel selfish and that I will stuff up the whole thing and give them the wrong idea of who I really am. I hate comforting others, because I am worried I will say something rude by mistake and make them even more sadder. I don't like sharing my feelings cause they are awkward and internal and they are deep and weird, but I will share my emotions like..I'll express my happiness, sadness ect.. depending on how I feel, I will express that.. I might feel awkward with comforting people but I am okay with smiling a lot and showing when I am sad. Another fe thing I do is that I always include people and I am very sad when others are excluded cause Ik what that feels like. And I hate it when others are sad..but sometimes I become very apathetic and I get sick of caring for others, and focus on me and my invidiuality. I do value being myself and being an individual and liking my own things for whatever reason and not following the crowd (like fi) but I still feel uncomfortable and worry about what others think, I don't want anyone to place assumptions on me... but I do like being myself. If everyone was wearing blue and I came in wearing pink, I would not change to blue just cause of the crowd, but in general I'm not sure if I have fi because I don't have many values at all. Often my opinions change very second but that could be out of confusion more than functions. I often am looking up " am I in the right or wrong" "how do I know if that person hates me or if something bad happened to them" "what is the true definition of *insert something*" And I get annoyed by peoples opinions, like someone tried to type me and I couldn't help but think "Yeah but they only intepret inferior fe in that way, what if they are wrong and I actually am fi..." but then felt bad about actually telling that to the person. idk lol
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG well you sound pretty like an fi user to me. You comments was full of emotional responses towards outer Situation and just the statement "I hate talking about emotions" is a value statement initself and therefore very pointed towards fi. As an fi user you may have the value to not value fi which seems pretty contradictory but could still be true if you may have negative experience with the outward reaction of people. Just because you may be fi dom doesn't mean you run around and never care about how the tribe/thinks or feels. Especially when it's inferior function you may grow an extra awarness of it because it is in direct conflict with you dominant function so you try to overvompemsate with whatever functions (for example getting more private with your emotions to esacping the negatige feedback you get from you extrovertes decider. In contrast you over focus on the tribe and other people, because you are aware that you dominant mode of being causes stress in this are which seems exactly like what you are describing).
@@taugamhorrsod8972 Hi, sorry about the late reply my notification list was field with people I was argueing with or trolling. Honsetly what you said makes a lot of sense, I thought I may be a fi dom just overcompensating that to be kind to others cause I feel selfish, Could you descirbe how inferior fe works and dom/aux ti works please. Also if possible also ne and se...Sorry, you just seem really knowledgeable about these things so I had to ask
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG in inofitself a ti user may actually do the same thing. They may overcompensate being kind because ti can kind of come off as pretty harsh and therefore gets rejected (not appreciated, valued) by the tribe. The effect is pretty similar but the reasoning for it is different. You come from a place where you are afraid what others think and specificially ask for my logical anylsis and understanding and therefore come from a place of te. You don't come up with your own anylisis of you best guess what could be true and ask how I feel about it, that points towards the te-fi axis. This is also the next topic. Ne vs. Se, tbh as an ne dom I may be biased and I also think that auxilary ne is a bit different from dominant ne since it works in harmony with si so the distinguesing for the middle axis is more diffuclt for me to distuniqusih in Ixxps. However I think that an se auxilary user has a quicker response time and a more overall awarness of their envirenment (a big picture view of their surrondings and what's going on overall) while ne-si (as a middle axis) will be more aware of specific small things but understand an compare it to a wider range of things they have somehow storded (x reminds of z and z reminds of c and oh than there are also f and m conmecting to see isn't that funny or something as fi user). An se user would probably go like oh, something is happening in my envirenment isn't that funny, beuatiful, sad or whatever (again I don't have the best understanding of fi, it's my blindspot but I imagine it to be that way). When you see me writing you can also say that I guess a lot, or I write what I guess because I don't exactly am aware of what is in reality (si being my inferior) and therefore making a bunch of guesses of what could be. An se-ni user may be like oh: that exists, and it continuesly happens like that and therefore the future will look like this (again I think an fi-te user has a bit of a different argumentation about it as I do as an ti user, but I try tho). This is my best guess I can make om what se-ni is like. And why I think dominant ne is different to aixilary is because I think that as much lower a function is in the function stack the more simplified the function becomes for the user. So I have only a very simplified version of si while having demon as se, so I may not be the be the best judge. But I tried, hope that helps.
I somehow agree with what u said about ti and te, they play similar roles. it depends on where your thinking functions are stacked. say me for example(estp), my ti doesn't function as well as an intp but it for sure does have something in common with the intp because of their auxiliary is pretty close to mine. I'd say u ace this presentation!
This isn't related to "T" but something interesting happen with me and my friends Intuition. Me and my friend likes to guess people personality type but the way we analyze them and guess them was different. She (INTJ) likes to guess people personality type by thinking about their main functions"FI/FE" and put it all together to form a personality type. Meanwhile I like to guess their personality type as a whole "ENFJ/INFJ" that's just what we prefer to do. Then I realise that the way we guess their personality type fits our Intuition preferences . My friend being INTJ prefer using NI therefore she looks a little deeper and analyze using functions. Meanwhile me (INFP) prefer using NE therefore I like analyzing their personality as a whole. It was really interesting and cool and when I told my friends were like "OMG it's all coming together"
So I have had a strong suspicion that I've been reading vague know-nothing gibberish about these cognitive functions for awhile now. But of course I doubted myself and figured that my brain just didn't work abstractly enough to figure it all out. Thanks for clarifying (and confirming my suspicions)!
You speak so fast😅 english is not my first language and constantly have to stop the video to think about what you just said... But thank you for explaining, it's very helpful
Ti is deductive. It either fits the framework/model/principle or not. It needs to ensure that all premise are true and form conclusions based on the premise by also following the law of non-contradiction. Ti somewhat lacks nuance in this video. The reason why Ti is slower compared to Te because we cross check the information to all other known information, check the logical consistency of putting new information if it makes sense on the current model. If not, maybe the info is wrong, method of gathering info is wrong or the model needs revision. I can guess you might be a Te user since you don't care about the technical differences as long as the main logic is delivered properly 😂. -intp
Dave is right about Te as not much of like Ti dominants who are more like jerks. A simple conversation can be a bit passive-aggressive with them, anyway why have I not found this channel 2 years ago. I wasted my time watching CSJoseph.
Can someone maybe explain to me what he means when he keeps talking about identity? Or...specifically...how can I define my or someone else's identity? For whatever reason, I can't even begin to explain/identify what my identity is. I can't tell if I have stronger Te or Ti or Fe or Fi. Any advice?
BrightStar717 Ti and Fi is about the individual and what the individual believes. Fe and Te are about what the group believes. So whether you or more about what you think and believe or more about what the group thinks and believes, that's your identity
Well the weird thing here is, for both intuition and sensing you used a dichotomy of gathering vs organizing. Those videos were perfect and short. But now, since the Fe vs Fi video, you are suddenly using another dimension of classification, the tribal vs self dimension for determining E or I, which is close but doesn't make sense considering eg extroverted thinking doesn't necessarily imply tribal approval seeking behavior, but more about a quick logical sketch that might work even though one might not know how the system as a whole connects with pre-established knowledge. It's true that thinking is the same process whether extroverted or introverted, but extroverted thinking doesn't boil every logical reasoning into One theory of everything, which is precisely what Ti does. Te creates its context limited axioms and proceeds from there with a hit or miss approach for each specific context Te is concerned with, while Ti wants to generalize its understanding for everything so that once something comes up Ti can start from a pre-made model. The Ti guy doesn't just wanna fix his car, he wants to know how fixing his car relates with the physical theory he learned in high school, the properties of the materials he uses, hell even how Einstein's Relativity implies his car moving at a certain speed will slow down measured time. Te is more about gathering logical systems, which can imply social activity, but this "gathering" can as well be a solitary process. Fe is more about gathering or developing a collection of primal feeling responses, which is very likely to be a social activity, and coincidentally could make one more concerned with the tribal hivemind.
OMGosh this explains business copywriting to me. People want to know your personal values even though they won't say it. But some won't care much about this. Apply to the other 7 functions. If they don't know your motives, objective tribe reasons etc, 'they' can't buy from you. But in my opinion many people trust your personal motives plus desire to serve a mission (Fi-Fe) above the logic or features of a product
I have taken the Myers Briggs test so many times now.....and mostly I got INTP.......but still i can't just agree on it and move on.......Am I using Ti or Te ??!!!
I disagree. Values are in intuition functions not in thinking functions. Because, values can be chosen by either feelings (liking) or thinking (logical reasons). However, sensors think that values are just something on paper and do not exist.
I enjoy your videos and do learn a lot, so thank you. My request is that you stop assuming how animals think. I know this was done for illustrative and compare/contrast purposes, but it is distracting in the erroneous assuming nature.
At 1:25 - the ESFJ dichotomy bubble (what is that thing even called) is wrong, it is labeled ESFJ but it shows the ENFJ stack. You gotta love Si, it's all in the details!
Its sad, I sort of like the content of this channel, but just randomly blurr out that "animals are idiots" is... idiotic? To understand other beings, there are two aspects that need to be addressed. One, the absolute state of life, rather than the relative state of life (two major distinctions that our highly biased minds seems to have problem of understanding). Two, the specialization and limitation of the body. Now, in regards of the first aspect, life is ABSOLUTE, that is to say, there is no right or wrong ways of living, so long you are not dead, you are alive, and as a living organism you are successful in that state. The relative aspect, that we humans are deeply invested in, is to compare each other to others to deter what our position in life is. It is what cause crime and a lot of envy, but also dreams. We cannot compare us to other species in this aspect, because what we highly desire and therefore compare is limited on our bodily limitations only. And here comes the second aspect! Language is one very clear example, where we as highly limited in collecting data have found a way to supplement that. Other animals, who are better at collecting data, do not need a tool to communicate data or receive data from others, for example a hawk. We humans pride ourselves for two reasons, our language and architectural/infrastructure abilities. But that does not mean, that we are the best, because "best" or other animals are "idiots", is a classic example of a cognitive bias. And simply a lack of understanding of biology and life!
I don’t get this tribe validation thing. Like isn’t everyone seeking tribe (social) validation to a certain degree? Sure some might be doing it less then others but still
That's the point. He even explained that in the video. If you're Te and want reasons on why something will be good for the tribe, you will still have a personal, emotional reason (Ti) why it's also good for you. That's subservient to your Te reasons, but it's in there. And you can flip flop that. Someone who's predominantly Ti is still going to have Fe in that fourth position. (I think Dave calls it the demon position.)
Think about it this way.......ti and te manipulate people in two different ways.....ti will try to confess you by arguing with you and nitpick the weak spot on your argument while te will try to confess that everyone believe in those logic and you are stupid for not
Fuck what everyone else feels. But that’s second Fi and sixth Fe. I’m gonna be me first. It’s true that I care but I don’t try to make people feel good, I want them to do reasonable things.
Bloody123Knuckles This system addresses that already. All people look for tribe validation through "reasoning" or "likes/values". Function order gives you a clue as to what degree.
you know when you're a Ti-dom is: you constantly searching answers for the same question endlessly...
Entp here. I literally cant stop doubting my type this shit has me on EDGE
Lmao Aux Ti (ESTP) here, I keep searching everywhere for what Ti means or what it is. I really need to understand this function. Prolly means that I use it 🤔
@@pajmak5542 😂😂😂i have been dying for a week ig.... Nd on the road for even more
I am trying to figure out whether I am a te or ti dom and looking for the answer endlessly. I am an intj btw
@@sarahtarig5984 well INTJ's in model a socionics has very strong Ti...
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Lmfao damn it really sounds like that lmfao
After analyzing myself (lead Ti) and my business partner (lead Te) it seems like Ti and Te follow this pattern.
Ti: Seeking Internal clarity (Ti), Seeking external certainty (Fe), Seeking Internal clarity (Ti)
Te: Seeking Internal Certainty (Fi), Seeking external clarity (Te), Seeking Internal certainty (Fi)
It's just all so interesting :)
Austin Ollar how is analyzing yourself Ti. What if you analyze yourself to improve your ways to get jobs done.
@@superdjaction this is a very old comment, but I need to say, that’s not what he meant. He was just saying that he has lead Ti.
@@superdjaction 😂
@@superdjaction that's not what he said dumbass
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I'm so stoked that you're making videos again, and anyone ever told you you're a great speaker
This reminds me of all the arguments I used to have with my ISTJ dad, because he wants me to give reasons why people would value what I value or what I want to do, and made me feel like my feelings are invalid. At the same time, when I was able to come up with the reasons, somehow they always sound like lies to me. Because although those reasons are technically true, when it comes to your own feelings, there's a lot more to it than explicit reasons and social approval.
These new videos are currently making me rewire my entire knowledge on mbti. Just realized that my good ISTP friend is actually an INFJ 0_0
Wait how-
Reminds me of mistyping my isfp girlfriend as intj lmao
@@hydranonymmous hmmm.. not too sure but I think it had to do with him being athletic, good at attracting women, and being very in the moment.
@@Drealistalive Huh now you make me rethink, my ISFP friend could turn to be an INTP
@@hydranonymmous before you settle on that, ask yourself, is your friend thinking process aided by the outside world or is it all internal? (i.e. does he rely on Te or Ti?)
You do a good job. Your “attitude” for lack of better word is funny to me
The first thing that clung me onto his videos was his attitude, honestly
This changed my whole view of the MBTI. I have been going in circles with it for years.
David is the queen of blowing my mind
Man. I am blown away by your insights. Incredible stuff....
If a person is Fe dominant, this means that their identity through feeling can still be discovered even though they are extroverted feelers. It might not be as strong as Fi dominant but they are still aware of it. This what you mean?
I just love your new videos (lead Fi) because it really clarifies Myers-Briggs and because I want to make you happy (inferior Te). 😎
@Nameless King I agree
@Nameless King agree
And it doesn't make sense " I love your videos bcuz I want to make you happy"
@Nameless King Yes BUT ISFPs and INFPs both tend toward people-pleasing behaviors, despite their lead Fi. It's a combination of functions though, rather than specifically isolating Fe. It's almost never that simple. Hope this helps clarify!
I also enjoy these kinds of videos in general
One way of looking at Ti that I've found useful is in 'setting boundaries'. This is a specific part of Ti of course and it's a little broader than that, but it can help.
For example: An ESFJ will often have major boundary issues because they haven't spent time thinking about their personal reasons. Just the group values. This means that they will often not even realize that they're not setting any healthy boundaries and inevitably stretch themselves too thin.
On the other hand, the INTP will often be all about setting boundaries (sometimes even forgoing human contact at all if they can), but have trouble integrating other people's values.
Not sure if that helps people at all, but I've seen it so much I can't unsee the effect anymore.
I've seen it too. That's why I believe people need a balance of Fe and Fi.
As an ENFJ, I can say that my issues with setting boundaries come more from the fear or making someone unhappy more than a lack of thinking about my personal reasons. I know my exact personal views and spend a great deal of time thinking about them, but conflict is emotionally and even physically painful for me and the argument is just not worth it from that standpoint. I imagine ESFJ's might have similar issues.
I think we're all very good at rationalizing our demons. I suggest you take a look back when you're 50 and see if you still have the same opinion on this whole thing.
Andrea Barr I think its both. I have met ExFJ who are the same as you (great mentors), and other less mature that are strangers to themselves due to how little time they spend thinking "why the heck did I do this????"
I think it's a matter of personal growth, but the fact is that Fe dominants struggle with exposing their personal reasons/establishing boundaries, because you guys feel so connected to other people (to a level that I admire but will never understand)
That's a good observation. It's true that I meet ExFJ's who are not as connected to their personal values. Having grown up with minority religious values, I personally am very familiar with having to defend my opinions and life choices....but I don't usually make an issue of personal difference unless a socially acceptable opportunity presents itself because I prefer unity. I think maturity level/life experience is (obviously) a factor with all types and their connection to their inferior functions. Mature introverted judging types are a joy to interact with whereas immature ones generally just come off as selfish and unconnected - much like immature extroverted judgers can seem inconsistent or wishy washy since they haven't developed the other side of their judgement axes which should ground them.
Thank you. I have spent years thinking I was a INFP, simply because I am not an asshole. Now, I realize I was always an INTP.
Same
I want to mention that someone with an overdeveloped Fe will always have a bias to what they believe is true, just as someone with overdeveloped Fi will keep trying to make their values work out even though it hasn't happened in the real world yet.
Very insightfull
nice
Tfw when you do both of what you said
give me an Fe - Ti example of this, if you're still alive
this channel is a gem for cognitive functions and personality
Te: It does not matter what utensil you use to eat pasta with a fork and a spoon does the same thing
Ti: I eat pasta with a spoon because with a fork the sauce slides off the pasta and half of it ends up at the bottom of the bowl whereas if i use a spoon it doesn't
Fe: Restaurants often serve pasta on a plate to make it look fancy, my parents have also always fed me pasta on a plate - I eat pasta on a plate
Fi: Eating pasta on a plate feels wrong because pasta is a bowl food and I like using bowls because it feels right to me so im going to eat pasta out of a bowl
Gotta update that graphic at 2:53. Ti is going long distance in a narrow sliver. Te is going short distance all over the spectrum. This causes friction between Ti and Te users because Ti users have to run all the way back from the edge of the horizon to connect with Te users, and if their trajectory is slightly off then the Ti user is just like a comet flying past the Te user in the sky.
You're so funny to me. I love hearing you explain all this
Now we wait for the Sensing video
SpaceyNYC still waitin'.
Best part of my day.
Extremely entertaining yet educational videos. Love it. Love ur humour lmaooo.
As an INFJ, just because I have Fe doesn’t mean I’m not willing to get into conflict if necessary. My well-developed tertiary Ti is responsible for my ability to confront people if I need to get out the truth and to make judgements based on impartial needs instead of “Oh I want that it looks cool.” Or finding a woman based on logic over emotion. Like choosing a women because of good qualities about her personality that appeal to logic instead of looking at her body and choosing her because I find her attractive which’s appeal to people’s emotion, or in this case lust.
I am again seeing you categorize Te as deductive and Ti as inductive... this is the only thing on your entire channel that I disagree with. I think you have it backwards, can you perhaps share your reasons why you have done so? Meanwhile, I will share my reasons (personal reasons ;) )Ti works more in a closed system analogue to formal-logic and mathematics, while Te is more about empiricism and external data which is inductive...
Te is broader in its application; for instance, seeing 50 white sheep and concludes that all or most sheep are white. Which is about getting consensus (tribe reasons). While with Ti it is more focused; more about inner knowing, using a closed system of deductive logic, which is good at pointing out flaws, and making new inferences followed from a premise e.g. Einstein's theory of general relativity. They are both nonetheless logic and powerful tools that are capable of being used by everyone who learns them, but if you are going to use those terms as analogies to help us understand the functions; I think they should be backwards... Then again there are not many people that understand these two words deeply i.e. inductive & deductive. Newton is not for nothing the father of empirical science which is heavily Te based. . .
Before you use the counter-argument ''that science is not based on consensus but on facts'' let me point out to you that that is wrong, science is very much based on consensus which we formally refer to as an 'overwhelming intersubjective-agreement'. The consensus is constructed out of Te (external data) or as you call it tribe reasons While with math and logic it is pretty much set in stone because they work in a closed system (Ti/deductive). If you still disagree just research 'Godels Incompleteness'.
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Even Dario Nardi the INTJ who measures types with EEG sees Ti as deductive:
''In preliminary neuroscience findings by Dario Nardi, Ph.D., strong Ti is correlated with being able to do multiple types of analysis at once. TiNe’s primarily use Deduction and Categorization:
"Deduction - Linearly deriving solutions using verbal/symbolic reasoning. For example, if A=B, and B=C, then A=C. Using this region is like moving along the branches of a tree.
Categorizing - Categorizing and defining concepts in a holistic way using a “best-fit” process. For example, it helps us determine whether a dolphin better fits in the mammal or fish category as it sorts many categories simultaneously."
Notice the attributes of deductive logic 'linear' and 'symbolic' which has similar traits to Ti (linear more focusesd) & (symbolic more subjective) which I am not trying to be a dick here or disrespect your research, just curious why you have decided to put Ti with inductive rather than deductive...
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The list below seems very Te to me, but I could be wrong.
EMPIRICISM (IN FAVOR OF EMPIRICISM, AGAINST RATIONALISM):
1. Empiricism is Simpler: Compared to Empiricism, Rationalism has one more entity that exists: Innate knowledge. According to the Empiricist, the innate knowledge is unobservable and inefficacious; that is, it does not do anything. The knowledge may sit there, never being used. Using Ockham’s Razor (= when deciding between competing theories that explain the same phenomena, the simpler theory is better),1 Empiricism is the better theory.
2. Colors: How would you know what the color blue looks like if you were born blind? The only way to come to have the idea of blue is to experience it with your senses. (This objection only works possibly against Plato; see the introduction above again to see why this objection would not faze Descartes, Leibniz, or Chomsky.)
3. Imagination and Experience: How can we get the idea of perfect triangularity? We can extrapolate from our experience with crooked, sensible triangles and use our imagination to straighten out what is crooked and see what perfect triangularity is.
4. Rationalists have been Wrong about Their “Innate Knowledge”: Some medieval rationalists claimed that the notion of a vacuum was rationally absurd and hence it was impossible for one to exist. However, we have shown that it is possible.2 Reason is not the only way to discover the truth about a matter.
5. The Advance of Science: Much of science is founded on empiricist principles, and would not have advanced without it. If we base our conclusions about the world on empiricism, we can change our theories and improve upon them and see our mistakes. A rationalist seems to have to say that we’ve discovered innate knowledge and then be embarrassed if he or she is ever wrong (see examples such as the vacuum, above).
6. All Rationalists do Not Agree about Innate Knowledge: Rationalists claim that there is innate knowledge that gives us fundamental truths about reality, but even among rationalists (e.g., Plato, who believes in reincarnation and Forms and Descartes, who does not believe in either but does believe in a soul), there is disagreement about the nature of reality, the self, etc. How can this be, if there is innate knowledge of these things?
While this list below seems very Ti to me.
RATIONALISM (IN FAVOR OF RATIONALISM, AGAINST EMPIRICISM):
1. Math and Logic are Innate: Doesn’t it seem that mathematical and logical truths are true not because of our five senses, but because of reason’s ability to connect ideas?
2. Morality is Innate: How do we get a sense of what right and wrong are with our five senses? Since we cannot experience things like justice, human rights, moral duties, moral good and evil with our five senses, what can the empiricist’s ethical theory like? Hume (an empiricist) says morality is based solely on emotions; Locke says experience can provide us with data to show what is morally right and wrong, but does it seem that way to you?
3. Verifying Empiricism: Locke (an empiricist) says that our experiences tell us about the nature of reality, but how can we ever check our experience with what reality really is, in order to know that? Rationalists do not think we can, so we have to rely on reason.
4. Poverty of Stimulus Problem: Three year olds use language in ways that they are not explicitly taught. For example, they form original sentences from words that they haven’t heard put together in precisely that way before. Also, they start to understand grammatical rules before they even know what a noun or a verb is. If we can only say what we’ve heard said by others, how can three year olds speak as well as they do? This is known as the poverty of stimulus problem. You may think that Rationalism is strange, but it does a better job of explaining this problem than Empiricism. One way of choosing which of two theories is better (in addition to or instead of Ockham’s Razor - see Empiricism point #1 above) is asking, “Which theory explains the phenomena better?”1
5. Empiricism Undermines Creativity? According to Empiricism, you can combine things, separate them, and nothing else. With Rationalism, we come to experience with ready-made tools for creativity. E.g., Plato would say that we’re in touch with abstract, immutable realities, which provide lots of material with which to create.
6. Controllable Humans? According to Empiricism, human beings can be controlled and manipulated exceptionally easily. If we are nothing other than what we experience, then we should be able to be made to do whatever we’re taught. Rationalism has it that there is an invariable core (call it “human nature”) that refuses to be manipulated, which is what makes us unique.
plato.stanford.edu/entries/rationalism-empiricism/
Was looking in the comments to see if someone addressed this xD ti being deductive that is.
I enjoyed reading this, thank you.
You can really see how much you have grown in your more recent videos when comparing it to your 2018 videos. This video is cold and detached. Your newer videos show more compassion and understanding for how and why people work the way they do. It's nice. Growth is a wonderful thing. You've been working on your demons.
finally someone who knows what the hell they're talking about.
Interessting. I think I fell for te Inductive vs deductive thing, but Ti was the deductive one and Te was the inductive one.
with thinking functions described like this how are they much different than feeling functions?
1:23 You put Ni as an ESFJ's second function.
I looked through the comments to see if anyone pointed this out hahaha
This is really good. Could you make more videos about the NT/SF distinction? In particular with regards to regions of the brain. I'm fascinated by this.
This was a neat video. Really enjoyed it and the humor.
Can you please complete the example of fixing the car. How Te and Ti users will solve it, What will be the difference between them?
T is about reasons. So a Te-user might look outside for reasons that the car should be fixed a certain way, while Ti might look inside to think about why the car should be fixed a certain way.
That means an ESTJ is more likely to trust a car mechanic or if they're studying to be one, trust the teacher (anyone they respect usually) and follow the instructions to the letter. An ISTP on the other hand, will only trust their own (Ti) reasons and therefore will want to know exactly how the car works and how all of the aspects of it interconnect. They will form their own plan based on their personal reasons since that's the ones they trust.
(I think by typing that I actually just learned a whole lot about typology myself)
Drecon84 ... you're on board, Drecon? ;)
Yeah. This explanation of the theory fits perfectly with how I see it. It's just a lot clearer in its formulation than I have been able to put it.
Drecon84 I feel exactly the same way.
What type are you? Are u a male or female?
Thank you, you wonderful man. Please continue to educate! :D Self awareness is so important!
1:25 yes yes yes! Ever since i found out I was INFJ (not by some stupid mcq test but after *months* of research and reflection) I've doubted my type because I have a very strong Ti and a somewhat repressed Fe, and also some Si (which is ImPoSsIbLe as some Karens believe because it's supposed to be inferior shadow) but how can a full grown human with any life experiences and complex emotions and thoughts be restricted to just 4 functions and in specific degrees that too. It's dumb to believe that people can't vary from the textbook definitions.
I know this is a year late but this is the exact experience I've had! Si's been quite kind to me throughout my life except when it's coupled with Fi during the really dark times. I've concluded that I used Ti more since schooling prioritizes thinking functions more, but I've never noticed how Fe just runs in the background 24/7 similarly to Se and almost mistakened it for Fi for some reason. I appreciate Te being completely absent from my stack since I know I could accomplish much more with Fe-Ti.
I love your personality, your very assertive and witty.
Good video, as always.
Great videos coming out. Keep it up
TBH I liked your older vids better. They were very clear, with lots of adjectives to describe how a type might look to an observer. With the new vids, I get the logic, but now I have no idea how I would recognize one process versus another (like Te vs Ti) in a day to day scenario.
I have a hard time gathering information from vague example. I wanna see how two people approach the same thing
best explanation I've seen so far! thanks! btw love your humor!
🤣👏 educational and hilarious 🤣 makes it a bit harder to sink in but more entertaining.
Hey wiSe guy!
You switched Te/Ti descriptions around (3:08).
Welcome :)
honestly got lost at that part
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Another Great Straight Forward Video, Liked.
Yeah ngl I have no idea what my type is anymore.
Yet another great video.
Incredible Dave! Hopefully one day I can join you're class.
A new fix just came out ]:-)
Great, new points, and so well-put.
Glad this gives reasons to validate my need of reasons.
Gonna be real with you
Im either an INTP with a strong freeking Fe casue I really REALLY care about others and always care about how they feel and never want to talk about my emotions cuase its so awkward and uncomftalbe..but im also really sensitive and sympathetic, like I feel others emotions deeply and I get subconsciously drained out..cuase I know they are feeling hurt..but I don't want to act on it, its so awkward for me to do that.
So I questioned being INFP..
I don't have morals like an infp and most decisions I do always go through a pro-con list first, and I always look at what looks better logically....but my emotions can get in the way but I do have social anxiety so that may be why?...
I am very very emotional which is why I despise it when I have to show those emotions...I love logic and theories that aren't stem from emotions cuase I now when emotions are involved, then everyone becomes emotional....Eh..like I feel so bad for people and my self, and when ever I rely on emotions, it goes wrong cause I have no idea how to deal with my feelings..I think I do but I really don't...
So I guess Im an extremely sensitive INTP..or a pretty insensitive (sometimes) logical, and TI INFP..cause I could never relate to Te..no matter what....Or maybe I got really undeveloped ti....who knows really....I took a quiz and it gave me 50% between intp and infp..so Im just bruh moment lmao
Am happy to have a balance though...thats alright...even though it makes no sense....to really have fe and te...so unless maybe Im fi but care for others cause of my social anxiety..but I don't know...man...this myers briggs stuff confuses me so much
Sounds like INTP to me if you hate talking about your own feelings like I do. Thanks Fi demon.
@@dakotad.8609 Well I hate talking about emotions cause I am mainly worried that it is too complex and confusing and that when I talk about my own emotions, I feel selfish and that I will stuff up the whole thing and give them the wrong idea of who I really am.
I hate comforting others, because I am worried I will say something rude by mistake and make them even more sadder.
I don't like sharing my feelings cause they are awkward and internal and they are deep and weird, but I will share my emotions like..I'll express my happiness, sadness ect.. depending on how I feel, I will express that.. I might feel awkward with comforting people but I am okay with smiling a lot and showing when I am sad.
Another fe thing I do is that I always include people and I am very sad when others are excluded cause Ik what that feels like. And I hate it when others are sad..but sometimes I become very apathetic and I get sick of caring for others, and focus on me and my invidiuality. I do value being myself and being an individual and liking my own things for whatever reason and not following the crowd (like fi) but I still feel uncomfortable and worry about what others think, I don't want anyone to place assumptions on me...
but I do like being myself. If everyone was wearing blue and I came in wearing pink, I would not change to blue just cause of the crowd, but in general I'm not sure if I have fi because I don't have many values at all. Often my opinions change very second but that could be out of confusion more than functions. I often am looking up " am I in the right or wrong" "how do I know if that person hates me or if something bad happened to them" "what is the true definition of *insert something*" And I get annoyed by peoples opinions, like someone tried to type me and I couldn't help but think "Yeah but they only intepret inferior fe in that way, what if they are wrong and I actually am fi..." but then felt bad about actually telling that to the person.
idk lol
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG well you sound pretty like an fi user to me. You comments was full of emotional responses towards outer Situation and just the statement "I hate talking about emotions" is a value statement initself and therefore very pointed towards fi. As an fi user you may have the value to not value fi which seems pretty contradictory but could still be true if you may have negative experience with the outward reaction of people. Just because you may be fi dom doesn't mean you run around and never care about how the tribe/thinks or feels. Especially when it's inferior function you may grow an extra awarness of it because it is in direct conflict with you dominant function so you try to overvompemsate with whatever functions (for example getting more private with your emotions to esacping the negatige feedback you get from you extrovertes decider. In contrast you over focus on the tribe and other people, because you are aware that you dominant mode of being causes stress in this are which seems exactly like what you are describing).
@@taugamhorrsod8972 Hi, sorry about the late reply my notification list was field with people I was argueing with or trolling. Honsetly what you said makes a lot of sense, I thought I may be a fi dom just overcompensating that to be kind to others cause I feel selfish, Could you descirbe how inferior fe works and dom/aux ti works please. Also if possible also ne and se...Sorry, you just seem really knowledgeable about these things so I had to ask
@@aWERFRGT6545BGFG in inofitself a ti user may actually do the same thing. They may overcompensate being kind because ti can kind of come off as pretty harsh and therefore gets rejected (not appreciated, valued) by the tribe. The effect is pretty similar but the reasoning for it is different. You come from a place where you are afraid what others think and specificially ask for my logical anylsis and understanding and therefore come from a place of te. You don't come up with your own anylisis of you best guess what could be true and ask how I feel about it, that points towards the te-fi axis.
This is also the next topic. Ne vs. Se, tbh as an ne dom I may be biased and I also think that auxilary ne is a bit different from dominant ne since it works in harmony with si so the distinguesing for the middle axis is more diffuclt for me to distuniqusih in Ixxps. However I think that an se auxilary user has a quicker response time and a more overall awarness of their envirenment (a big picture view of their surrondings and what's going on overall) while ne-si (as a middle axis) will be more aware of specific small things but understand an compare it to a wider range of things they have somehow storded (x reminds of z and z reminds of c and oh than there are also f and m conmecting to see isn't that funny or something as fi user). An se user would probably go like oh, something is happening in my envirenment isn't that funny, beuatiful, sad or whatever (again I don't have the best understanding of fi, it's my blindspot but I imagine it to be that way).
When you see me writing you can also say that I guess a lot, or I write what I guess because I don't exactly am aware of what is in reality (si being my inferior) and therefore making a bunch of guesses of what could be. An se-ni user may be like oh: that exists, and it continuesly happens like that and therefore the future will look like this (again I think an fi-te user has a bit of a different argumentation about it as I do as an ti user, but I try tho). This is my best guess I can make om what se-ni is like.
And why I think dominant ne is different to aixilary is because I think that as much lower a function is in the function stack the more simplified the function becomes for the user. So I have only a very simplified version of si while having demon as se, so I may not be the be the best judge. But I tried, hope that helps.
Mind-blown. Then put back together.
I somehow agree with what u said about ti and te, they play similar roles. it depends on where your thinking functions are stacked. say me for example(estp), my ti doesn't function as well as an intp but it for sure does have something in common with the intp because of their auxiliary is pretty close to mine. I'd say u ace this presentation!
also i hope videos will be made on the 32 types you guys seem to have identified.
One of the best videos I’ve seen so far
My goodness you can fly through that material. Makes it easy to listen to multiple times in a row though...repetition.
Excellent video man.
"animals just kind of wonder around like idiots" 🤣
This isn't related to "T" but something interesting happen with me and my friends Intuition.
Me and my friend likes to guess people personality type but the way we analyze them and guess them was different. She (INTJ) likes to guess people personality type by thinking about their main functions"FI/FE" and put it all together to form a personality type. Meanwhile I like to guess their personality type as a whole "ENFJ/INFJ" that's just what we prefer to do. Then I realise that the way we guess their personality type fits our Intuition preferences . My friend being INTJ prefer using NI therefore she looks a little deeper and analyze using functions. Meanwhile me (INFP) prefer using NE therefore I like analyzing their personality as a whole. It was really interesting and cool and when I told my friends were like "OMG it's all coming together"
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i like how the s and f parts of the brain r smooth and the t and n parts r wrinkly
So I have had a strong suspicion that I've been reading vague know-nothing gibberish about these cognitive functions for awhile now. But of course I doubted myself and figured that my brain just didn't work abstractly enough to figure it all out. Thanks for clarifying (and confirming my suspicions)!
Oh, thanks SO much for this video. So much T relief.
You speak so fast😅 english is not my first language and constantly have to stop the video to think about what you just said...
But thank you for explaining, it's very helpful
Ti is deductive. It either fits the framework/model/principle or not. It needs to ensure that all premise are true and form conclusions based on the premise by also following the law of non-contradiction. Ti somewhat lacks nuance in this video. The reason why Ti is slower compared to Te because we cross check the information to all other known information, check the logical consistency of putting new information if it makes sense on the current model. If not, maybe the info is wrong, method of gathering info is wrong or the model needs revision. I can guess you might be a Te user since you don't care about the technical differences as long as the main logic is delivered properly 😂.
-intp
You nailed it. Good job.
Dave is right about Te as not much of like Ti dominants who are more like jerks. A simple conversation can be a bit passive-aggressive with them, anyway why have I not found this channel 2 years ago. I wasted my time watching CSJoseph.
Can someone maybe explain to me what he means when he keeps talking about identity? Or...specifically...how can I define my or someone else's identity? For whatever reason, I can't even begin to explain/identify what my identity is. I can't tell if I have stronger Te or Ti or Fe or Fi. Any advice?
BrightStar717 Ti and Fi is about the individual and what the individual believes. Fe and Te are about what the group believes. So whether you or more about what you think and believe or more about what the group thinks and believes, that's your identity
so if you’re an INTJ and think you’re smarter than everyone else
Well the weird thing here is, for both intuition and sensing you used a dichotomy of gathering vs organizing. Those videos were perfect and short. But now, since the Fe vs Fi video, you are suddenly using another dimension of classification, the tribal vs self dimension for determining E or I, which is close but doesn't make sense considering eg extroverted thinking doesn't necessarily imply tribal approval seeking behavior, but more about a quick logical sketch that might work even though one might not know how the system as a whole connects with pre-established knowledge. It's true that thinking is the same process whether extroverted or introverted, but extroverted thinking doesn't boil every logical reasoning into One theory of everything, which is precisely what Ti does. Te creates its context limited axioms and proceeds from there with a hit or miss approach for each specific context Te is concerned with, while Ti wants to generalize its understanding for everything so that once something comes up Ti can start from a pre-made model. The Ti guy doesn't just wanna fix his car, he wants to know how fixing his car relates with the physical theory he learned in high school, the properties of the materials he uses, hell even how Einstein's Relativity implies his car moving at a certain speed will slow down measured time. Te is more about gathering logical systems, which can imply social activity, but this "gathering" can as well be a solitary process. Fe is more about gathering or developing a collection of primal feeling responses, which is very likely to be a social activity, and coincidentally could make one more concerned with the tribal hivemind.
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Holy cow you're alive! You've been gone for what, like, five years?
Do not underestimate the INFP. We are always watching and observing lol.
OMGosh this explains business copywriting to me. People want to know your personal values even though they won't say it. But some won't care much about this. Apply to the other 7 functions. If they don't know your motives, objective tribe reasons etc, 'they' can't buy from you.
But in my opinion many people trust your personal motives plus desire to serve a mission (Fi-Fe) above the logic or features of a product
2:25 xD
(INTP here)
Lmao this sounds so funny on 0.5x drunk Dave is so fun
Wow so much tea
I have taken the Myers Briggs test so many times now.....and mostly I got INTP.......but still i can't just agree on it and move on.......Am I using Ti or Te ??!!!
Have you figured it out yet ? 😂
I thought I had a good understanding of a lot of this, now everything seems like it's opposite.
I disagree. Values are in intuition functions not in thinking functions.
Because, values can be chosen by either feelings (liking) or thinking (logical reasons).
However, sensors think that values are just something on paper and do not exist.
Notification squad! ^_^
I clash furiously with my dad because of his dominant Ti (ISTP) and my secondary Te (ISTJ)
It's hard to hear you over my laughter 🤣
Finally somebody sorted out this all shit :)
I enjoy your videos and do learn a lot, so thank you. My request is that you stop assuming how animals think. I know this was done for illustrative and compare/contrast purposes, but it is distracting in the erroneous assuming nature.
At 1:25 - the ESFJ dichotomy bubble (what is that thing even called) is wrong, it is labeled ESFJ but it shows the ENFJ stack. You gotta love Si, it's all in the details!
finally this shit makes sense. Thank you!
Can u tell more abt ur infp friend who hv good te like how he did it? How can me make it strong??
whaat are your sources? cause you are always saying all other sources are wrong
They got T
He really has some issues against Ti’s - Detached then swearing
2:20 Te vs Ti definition attributes
4:51, what would an Fi-Te do?
Its sad, I sort of like the content of this channel, but just randomly blurr out that "animals are idiots" is... idiotic? To understand other beings, there are two aspects that need to be addressed. One, the absolute state of life, rather than the relative state of life (two major distinctions that our highly biased minds seems to have problem of understanding). Two, the specialization and limitation of the body.
Now, in regards of the first aspect, life is ABSOLUTE, that is to say, there is no right or wrong ways of living, so long you are not dead, you are alive, and as a living organism you are successful in that state. The relative aspect, that we humans are deeply invested in, is to compare each other to others to deter what our position in life is. It is what cause crime and a lot of envy, but also dreams. We cannot compare us to other species in this aspect, because what we highly desire and therefore compare is limited on our bodily limitations only.
And here comes the second aspect! Language is one very clear example, where we as highly limited in collecting data have found a way to supplement that. Other animals, who are better at collecting data, do not need a tool to communicate data or receive data from others, for example a hawk. We humans pride ourselves for two reasons, our language and architectural/infrastructure abilities. But that does not mean, that we are the best, because "best" or other animals are "idiots", is a classic example of a cognitive bias. And simply a lack of understanding of biology and life!
Nadja Hansson He's just funny
Love the humour
I don’t get this tribe validation thing. Like isn’t everyone seeking tribe (social) validation to a certain degree? Sure some might be doing it less then others but still
That's the point. He even explained that in the video. If you're Te and want reasons on why something will be good for the tribe, you will still have a personal, emotional reason (Ti) why it's also good for you. That's subservient to your Te reasons, but it's in there. And you can flip flop that. Someone who's predominantly Ti is still going to have Fe in that fourth position. (I think Dave calls it the demon position.)
Think about it this way.......ti and te manipulate people in two different ways.....ti will try to confess you by arguing with you and nitpick the weak spot on your argument while te will try to confess that everyone believe in those logic and you are stupid for not
Fuck what everyone else feels. But that’s second Fi and sixth Fe. I’m gonna be me first. It’s true that I care but I don’t try to make people feel good, I want them to do reasonable things.
Bloody123Knuckles This system addresses that already. All people look for tribe validation through "reasoning" or "likes/values". Function order gives you a clue as to what degree.
Bloody123Knuckles Not everyone. You are projecting.
YES!!!!!
So what if you are extremely independent to the point of causing problems in intimate relationships?
there's nothing wrong with being extremely independent and being independent will not necessarily cause problems. there's no causal connection.
cut it out with the insults
I'm not that controlling, but I do seek tribe validation, because I want to be good.
So I guess that makes me Te then Fi.
Te and Ne are sometimes confused (by OP). Te is tribes reasons. Ne is what works for the tribe. They can't both be both.
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Welcome.
I've worked with an ENFJ with a better Ti than me and I'm an ESTP
is there a book that you would recommend so that we can avoid getting into misconceptions all over the internet
wait isnt Ti deductive and Te inductive. because deductive is zooming in and inductive is zooming out ie. top down vs bottom up processing ?
PotionsMaster007 Not according to this interpretation of type theory.