I hope the day comes when slurs in the gaming community aren't common. We've made HUGE progress since the days of MW2 and I hope it continues that way 💙
@AaronDukeYT The F slur is actually harmless depending on context If he's not using it in a homophobic way then we shouldn't be mad Yea the word might still be bad but let's not snowflakes
that whole tweet reminds me of when people say "I have nothing against gay people, but I wouldn't want my son to be gay". So you *do* have something against gay people.
I know a few people like this. I don't think it is always from a place of hate. I think it is just stupidity. They always give the same reason of "I want grand kids that are actually related to me." Which I don't think is hateful but it is VERY stupid lol.
@@martarillion you have the freedom to make the choice, freedom of speech is only in regard to the government not being able to control your speech, it doesn't prevent independent people from restricting it or society at large, freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say what you want without consequence from society it only protects you from the government.
@@martarillion Lol, thank you for so casually illustrating the exact issue of people with your mindset. It is freedom, regardless of the consequences. Nobody can stop you from saying whatever you want. That's freedom. The general populace can respond to that in any way they want. That's also freedom. The fact that people like you, and like the "Hot Take" guy up there believe that you only have true freedom if you're impugning on other people's freedom speaks to some CRAZY entitlement. Like, if I go over and stab my neighbor right now, when the cops show up, how do you think it's going to go if I look at the arresting office and say "You're really stepping on my freedom of expression right now." I'll tell you how it's going to go. I'm going to get tased, and then still arrested. Grow up.
Was 10 mins into the vudeo before I realised the f word wasn't the 4 letter one. I was genuinely so confused at why such a deal was being made of it haha. In UK I don't hear anyone say the 3 letter f word unless they're referring to a cigarette.
@@themr_wilson It is because in the U.K and Scotland the word (3 letter one) means Stick, and the 6 letter one means a bundle of sticks. Or at least that is my understanding of it. I am not from either place so it could be random bullshit that Murica made up lol but I doubt it.
He didn't do it perfectly, but no one should be expected to be perfect, either! It's very clear he regrets saying it and the fact he doesn't like saying it means that he's very likely to try not saying it in the future.
it’s very clear in his video he’s only making the video because he knows he will get backlash. i’m gay and don’t care who uses the f word but he very much isn’t sorry he said it just sorry he got caught
Look man I'm in my 30's I grew up in the age where saying gay as an adjective like "oh that commercial was gay" or using it in a negative way. I grew up where the f slur was in every movie even kid movies (kids using the language) and being in the social era of when using slurs like this was totally normal. Guess what? It is not the 90s anymore in not the early 2000s those words in that negative way are not acceptable anymore. I remember the last time I used the word gay in a negative way I was in 10th grade doing a summer program at upward bound which was very LGBT friendly back then. I remember I was watching a movie in the common room and I said " this movie is gay" which was extremely normal back then and the girl who was sitting next to me snapped at me (rightfully so) that "Hey gay doesn't mean bad or stupid" that's all it took for me to look at it in a way I had never thought about before as a straight guy. I've made a conscious effort to never say that again. It's really that easy and only takes a bit of empathy for people who are different than you. So saying "well we grew up in that time and it was normal and hard to change" what a load of shit. EDIT: I wanted to add I have been absolutely raging and guess what? Slurs don't pop out of my mouth you know why? Because I dont use them in my private life and this content creator can say whatever he wants but its kinda hard to believe that he doesn't now and then for it to just pop out like that. I mean I hope he learns from that and trys to be better but I don't really believe he wasn't using that word before hand.
I gotta say... you really opened my eyes. I used to say that stuff all the time. Still do once Inna while. Like when I'm playing Madden or something and the cpu would do some bs. As an example. But after hearing what you said about the trickle-down effect it has, it has really made me question myself, and for that, I thank you and apologize. Imma do my best in the future to cut that shit out.
It's only stupid cause those people who disagree didn't grow up saying it or were apart of that generation. Why should people get cancelled, lose there jobs, and get threats all for a simple word. Aren't we in a time now where people say people shouldn't care what others think? Or is that only said when its beneficial.
The average die hard CoD player hasn’t emotionally or mentally matured past the age of 12. Just like how violence breeds violence, hatred breeds hatred
The type of guys that blame the new generation for being overly sensitive are the biggest hypocrites imo. Make one negative comment towards their political party or sports team, and then they go on a tirade 😅
Lol true I personally don't like how far PC has gone just because it feels like you have to be walking on eggshells all the time or else if you slip up once you get cancelled and your life gets fucked. but that's not to say that some people who are horrid don't deserve it and I have always since a young age found it so stupid when people get pissed about something like a political party or especially sports 🤣🤣
When I was 17 I used to tutor an 11 year old. This literal child asked me about my sexuality and told me that I shouldn't be alive because I'm probably gay. His parent were always super sweet and lovely. When I asked him why he would say stuff like that, he said that it's "normal" and that the people he watches and lookes up to share those views. He even started to physically abuse me at some point. It was horrifying to see a literal child be so hateful and I am so scared for the people that interact with them in the future. It's not just words and people who defend it as such are ignorant and make me so incredibly angry. If a child tells someone, who is years older than them, that they shouldn't be alive just because of the way they love, something is just plain wrong in this world Thank you for making this video aaron! I really hope that more people start to understand things like this soon 💚
I have played video games since I was 8 years old and I am 26 now. I HAVE DON'T USE THIS WORD. The hell is wrong with people thinking that this is required to have a good time. I used this word in the past, but didn't know the meaning at the time. In Highschool one of my friends was trans and I saw him break with that word... I changed and haven't used it since. I convinced my family and others around me to stop using it as well.
I recall the time when these words were just used in place of 'lame' or 'sucks' I used to casually call things 'gay' simply meaning 'Oh that sucks' but there comes a time when collectively we're meant to learn 'Hey, maybe we didn't realize it, but its actually pretty hurtful' In short *HE* grew up at some point and the people mad at him did not.
Yes, all of this, yes. My issue with his apology is that he said it so absolutely naturally that it really does sound like he uses it in private, no matter what he claims. I grew up in the 80s and 90s in the midst of all the homophobia, the AIDS pandemic, and it was normal to call things “gay” if we didn’t like them. I’m 43 now and you know what I don’t do? I don’t say shit like that even in the heat of the moment or a fit of anger. I was cursing up a storm at the door knob I was replacing today because it wasn’t lined up properly and not ONCE did a slur of any kind come out of my mouth. Plenty of “FUUUUCK!” and “FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!” But never a slur. It doesn’t take much self control to not use slurs. In fact, it takes none at all. I don’t buy his statement that he doesn’t say that in his private life.
There’s no way he doesn’t say it in private, he 100% went back playing COD/siege and said it again while off stream, no way it comes naturally when you don’t say it
I mean it's like the N word. A lot of black people use the word, and so do many rappers, and hey, that's generally accepted (unless they are white rappers.. Eminem doesn't get to use the N word.) It's them, taking to those like them, and that 's fine. But for the most part they shouldn't say it on the internet because they know that not everyone in their community is okay with. My BFF (almost like a sister, that's how close we are) hates the word, and tells her other black friends not to use it around her, and they respect that. If you are a part of the LGBT communtiy and you are speaking with someone else that in the LGBT community that is okay with the word, fine. But when you are not in private, you don't use the word because you don't' know who else is around that is not as okay with it as you are. Another example even off the internet is I have a friend who is a Cajun from Louisiana and he will use a word that is very common among Cajuns and we keep telling him, "You are not in Louisiana! That word is not okay here!" He is like "It's a term of affection!" and I am like "Yes, I 100% know it is. But we are in Kansas, not Louisiana." Heck there is a word (nickname for a police van) that many Irish find offensive that I do not (my grandmother was Irish, first born of her family in America) and I use it sometimes, but I do NOT use it on the internet because of context that I don't know that other Irish might not be okay with it.
The saddest part of arguments involving "back in my day," is that the attempt at distancing themselves of responsibility just makes it glaringly obvious they stopped caring about their own personal growth 10+ years ago. It's not a flex that bad words were part of your vocabulary in childhood & you have done nothing to advance beyond insults to """win""" situations or belittle another over a stupid game.
Thank you for this. Im so tired of being seen as "too PC" for wanting to not be called a slur? Especially as a woman in gaming, the insults and way people treat others is insane. I theoretically could understand in the past doing these actions (as have I) when we were CHILDREN, but we are adults now. I honestly couldnt be friends with anyone who acts like some raged out loser because they got shot in a game. These people need to genuinely grow up and find a new passion.
Yeah fr. I have personally been called slurs and I usually just tell them to fuck off and move on because I was raised by parents who told me that there will always be people who don't like your for some reason or even no reason at all. They will always exist so just move on and don't let idiots affect your mood or your day. Harder than it sounds but it is completely doable
(Disclaimer, I am a transgender female who is asexual and homoromantic, meaning I like girls) Hmm... so, I will start with that "hot take" tweet. In my opinion, it is situational on its definition and use. I've heard tons and tons of slurs used against me in both contexts. To get on a deeper level, gaming has taken some of the conscious meaning out of the f slur. Consciously, quite a few people don't mean anything by using it, but 90% of the time, they do hold at least somewhat homophobic views. So, contextually in gaming, it usually isn't homophobic by itself. In this situation, I hold the same view I've had for a while: don't blame the person, blame the system. And I know saying "blame the system" has red flags going off for some of you, but let me explain. Gaming culture has long been this way, and I do think it should change. This culture does usually attack men-love-men relationships while usually sexualizing women-love-women relationships. The reason I call for change now is exactly as Aaron said, this is how kids learn: they copy. The f slur is only a small portion of an overlying issue. It's not just the f slur being used. I mean... we heard the streamer tell people (presumably men) to suck a dick. In this context, it's being used as an attack. In our minds, at the very least subconsciously, we associate calling people "gay" as a bad thing. It creates the relationships between negative thoughts and emotions to being gay. Again, this is not the entire problem, but they are major signs of an overlying issue. As always, please take your time reading this and have an amazing day all you beautiful people.
This reminds me of the time I grew up and told myself I wasn't going to use the "R" word anymore. I think it's part of maturing and people who still use these types of words haven't matured or have the intelligence to realize what effect these words can have on others. Have I slipped up and used the word after I told myself I wouldn't say it? Yes. However when the slip up has happened, it actually made me question why I said it, and then further instilled it in me to never say it again. I think it's not until someone thinks for a second and realizes what their words can do to another human being to make them stop. If they care enough to even think of another human being as an equal that is.
Not surprised that it's from the COD community and one of the reasons i left. Its pretty much a staple of the COD community. I am surprised though that dude took accountability so fast.
Ok when I wrote my last comment I hadn’t finished the video. Your explanation of Why the words must made me cry dude. It’s weird hearing we all share the same experience yet we forget on a deep level so thank you for your support ❤️
"the backlash isn't from who you expect, no the backlash is from people who defend the use of this word" That's exactly who i expected the backlash from. Typically if someone apologizes and doesn't make it a excuse hole and it seems genuine then yeah you're gonna get SOME people still giving you shit but you'll be fine. But the people who defend the use of that word fervently are the ones who typically have a problem with apologizing as a whole for anything. Ironically i'm of two minds about it. Yes that word shouldn't be used in general.The 'We had it growing up' while seeming flimsy is also a argument that varies from person to person. I'm bisexual and i still think of it when i'm incredibly heated because i'm young (mid 20s ) and this was just part of my vocabulary growing up. I don't say it but it does pop into my mind. This is a hard habit to break without effort and even then it's extremely easy for some people to drop the word and for others it's damned near impossible even though they want to. The important thing here to decipher in my opinion is is he being legitamately sorry about what he said or is he covering his ass for his career. If he's legitamately sorry and remorseful then cool. if not...then what's the point of any of this. I probably didn't exactly express what i wanted to say very clearly but this is kinda my take in short. TLDR: Bad people defend bad things, Growing up with the word is a explanation depending on the persons vocabulary though not a excuse, Be kind if someone is trying to learn and slip up. Be stern if they are using your kindness to avoid actual accountability
Freedom of Speech, does NOT mean freedom of consequences. Is he within his right to say stupid shit? Yes. Does that mean he should NOT get backlash? No. Yes we can all say 13ish years ago, gaming WAS different, this behaviour WAS acceptable. But just because something was acceptable back then, does NOT make it okay.
Also freedom of speech is not what people think it is. Freedom of speech is only your freedom of speech towards government officials where they can't get you arrested or anything like that for voicing your opinion. It really shows that alot of people do not actually understand what the freedom of speech means.
I couldn't even imagine back then using such words and I have been gaming for over twenty years. I was also the subject of many slurs and derogatory terms growing up due to my diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome at four with many adults and other peers such as the R, F and other slurs because people thought it was "funny" or "edgy". It would and could have been easy for myself to go down that same road to others out of anger, but it does no one any good to become someone who uses words. People make mistakes and can grow, but trying to justify such behaviour will never work and I know people can do better if they are willing to try
I am sooo tired of the same old excuse of “well back in MW2 days, this was normal” It’s not ok for any of this to be said but blaming it on MW2 days is making them sound like a broken record
I understand about being 'different'; struggling with it, trying to hide it, wanting to hurt myself over it. I lost a lot of sleep over it, cried a lot of tears, and wished I was dead MANY times--and then, I grew up. I realized that words have power--but only as much power as you give them. When someone calls you names, that makes THEM small, not you. I think the world would be a better place if more people would recognize that. He DID apologize, and that's a start.
I don't really care for the use of the word myself ,but I don't think I've ever met someone who uses that word and actually means it in a bad way. Hell I've even met some gay people who have used this word in private. So it's hard for me to take it seriously.
As a gay person i have something i want to say. To be honest I couldn't give a hoot about his apology, he started off by saying how it'll keep him up at night rah rah rah, which in my opinion invalidates his apology due to the fact that he is immediately making it about himself and how it will affect HIM, that is not a sincere apology in my mind. Secondly I want to address the word he used. I use the F-word often to describe myself or certain friends, but see i view the f-word like the N-word, not every queer likes to be called it, even by other queers, just as not every black person likes to be called the n-word even by other black people. And it should never, NEVER be used by people outside of each word's respective community, and especially by people who use in a derogatory manner. I have been in the gaming community for a bit more than ten years now, and sure this what it was like back then, but it's about damn time it changes. We as gamers are not "Getting soft" or becoming "Snowflakes" we just have the courage to speak up now about crap that has harmed us for years and we kept quiet about. They don't want us to toughen up, they want us to shut up, and let their hate filled words and behaviour go unchecked and unchallenged. We aren't weak, we have lost out tolerance for the intolerant, and found our voices, and we should not have to be quite once again simply because make apology videos, or can't handle the conceqences of their own actions.
"Pandering to sensitive groups instead of giving them a backbone" I love the patronizing logic of that. Its hilarious that he thinks its better for lgbt people to have to just toughen up and accept that they use slurs so they can feel comfortable with them, not that people it actually applies to should have a right to tell you not to use it.
I am 29m and i use to play COD in my teen years. I do not use any of the slurs. This whole everyone use to say it in COD and so on is not true. The people who said it back then are the same onces hwo use it now. They think the stu is bad and disgusting and they think it is an insult to be that stuff.
I did get a boost on some perspective thank you I see too many people acting like someone can’t change whether it’s to appease on side or just not accepting when people do wanna take accountability but are met with so much hostility they fold. Anyways I’m faded ranting but thanks again opening these thoughts.
I 100% agree with you! My friend who is a lesbian got attacked in game chat before the game even began.. she/he was telling her she was transphobic, disgusting and so on. This person continued to actually bully her in game, bodyblocking, even worked with the killer to unalive my friend cause she is a lesbian. It's ridiculous 🤦🏼♀️ I wish People were nicer to each other then being that toxic. There is no reason for attacking a person that bruttaly, it can really Hurt.
Such a great video Aaron, I am 23 I grew up during the cod era too and as a pansexual man I used to get so many slurs aimed at me luckily due to bad upbringing I'm used to that so it don't bother me anymore but I hate it when it's said to others as well. I'm glad your happy doing your new content away from dbd but I'm also glad my favourite videos are still coming 😊 ❤
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video and explain this terrible trickle-down effect! I really hope some people who needs to hear this will listen. Another side note: You said that children who are listening to this will learn from it and I have a little bit of an issue with your choose of words here. The children don't learn anything in this situation, they adapt and are being socialized. They begin to learn, as soon as they reflect their (or other) behavior. Like you did when you reflected your behavior as a teen and came to the conclusion to stop using these words. Why am I writing this? Because it's important to remind yourself to critically reflect yourself and the world around us. Otherwise, we won't be able to learn. We'll just adapt.
I knew there would be some people who will try to say that slurs are just "part of gaming culture" but be the same people that get mad when its called out as being toxic, whine about everything being woke, or diversity, or whatever they get hysterical against only because they cant play games without slurs or sexism. Its not news anymore that lgbt people play video games as well. But its weird that people feel like they're entitled to use slurs because they're "gamers."
All the dude needed to say was "I said something I didnt mean too, I'm sorry and I wont say it again." If you want some life changing plan other than that? Some oath to educate themselves over a slip of the tongue? Youve blown it out of proportion.
He’s not sorry because he said the word and hurt a community - he’s sorry because his career might be in danger. He DEFINITELY says it all the time off stream - words like that don’t just slip out.
I've tried a few times asking people not to use Gay, Queer or the F word in a derogatory way. Some have understood, others have argued at me and called me sensitive etc. So with those I just gave up and drifted away from them. As someone who is also Bi, I personally don't mind the F word when it's referring to the Welsh pork balls dish. (for those outside of UK they're kinda like a bigger vers of Swedish meatballs but are pork and served in gravy) But when it's used to insult/discriminate etc, it's not right.
I am bisexual and i (personaly) dont find the f slur offending at all. In my opinion its something simular to „b*tch“ but just for gay ppl. Some people just say it because it has some kind of weight because they know that its a taboo to say this word. I think screwing on zhe political correctness here would be more profitable since it would take away the taboo. P.s. I fully agree on what this one guy said :“If you feel offended that easily, youre pathetic“. Ik its not a good thing, but thats the internet and the internet is an unsafe place (which doesnt mean i encourage people to act like idiots in saying words like that with the purpose of harm).
agree on that, we should work on making slurs lose what ever power people think they have rather then just stopping people from saying them as it only makes them "stronger" and seem worse then what they actually are: childish insults to try and get under someone's skin quickly
Your words are part of the problem and are contributing to the harm that i spoke about being caused in this video. As a member of the LGBT community, you should be ashamed of being so blasé about these words just because YOU have given up on finding against them. No minority group of people should have a specific, negative word attributed to them and think that that’s okay.
Comparing to a simple word like b!tch undersells it's impact, I would more compare it to an actual slur like the n-word, not every black person likes being called that, even by other black people, just as not every person in the LGBTQ+ community likes being called the f-word. Just because it's not offensive to you or I, does not mean it doesn't impact others. As for the comment "but that's just the internet, and the internet is an unsafe place." If it's unsafe, then we should work towards making it safer, better and more inclusive to all, stop letting people get away with saying slurs that clearly affect people. "If we want words to no longer have power, then we need to stop letting people with power use them!"
I 100% agree that that word has no place in the gaming community. The only time I(queer) ever use it is when I'm with friends(also queer) and we use it as a joking/loving insult towards each other, if that makes sense.
Growing up I used to say words like that. Now I think saying "it's gay" and using the F slur is not only wrong but cringe asf. The streamer did the right thing by apologizing and I don't think there should've been backlash but everyone is different. It's not like he told someone to unalive themselves. I get why people are upset about it but the streamer made the EFFORT to apologize where other streamers will refuse to acknowledge they did anything at all. I hope he gets some peace from this soon. I commend him for trying.
Just because something is or was common, doesn't make it okay. People who are mature don't need to say things like this. I had a grown as man telling a young girl to of f herself on rdr2o. Not to mention, he was telling her to get in the kitchen and cook for him, when she was a child. That isn't mature, isn't acceptable, and shouldn't be normalized. Normal doesn't equal good. Sure people get mad and lash out, but you should be mature enough not to say things like this with no consequence, if at all. And if you're someone who has grown and matured and learned not to use these words, good job and thank you for the change
Hey Aaron, watching your videos really make me feel seen and safe- thank you! I hope you make an impact on people who are still struggling, so they get the strength to be who they are! ❤
I have said it before and I will keep saying it. Wanting to be treated with the most minimal amount of human decency does not make someone a "snowflake"
Im a bit ashamed to admit im 30 and i was able to take quite a lot from this video. Im fairly influenced by the ppl around me as you said. Issue is just im 30 not 13. But hey im still willing to learn and improve
i'm bi and i live in the middle east i think you guys shouldn't care about specific words, why not manners as a whole, in my country if you insult someone by regular insults you could get a lawsuit but in america free speech i guess well that's the problem
Gotta say love your videos! I remember my old friends constably used those words. And those feelings you descibed was spot on for what i felt since i was curois about my own sexuality. But it was mostly since im trans and was specially curious about who i like. And that time my best friend almost killed me by using those words, so can be dangorus. But iv cut contact with them after i came out🏳️⚧️ Still love your videos!!
I do not agree with everything, but it changed my mind on using thoses kind of words. we can all easily change theses words for other expressions. Trash talking is a big part of gaming, but it should not be about ethnicity or sexual orientation, thats horrible
The problem is gaming culture (especially with straight guys (i don't like singling them out but it's what ive experienced)) I have always grown up knowing these words were bad but gaming normalises them so much that it took my till like 18 to realise me and my friends are encouraging eachother, either I got new friends or sat down with all of us and said "okay, we all need to change"
While i am not speaking of this case but its a great example, saying "it was a slip of the tongue" is just a really bad excuse because thaf means you say the word SO OFTEN you dont think about it. Its just proof your not sorry and you're saying awful things behind closed doors
The audacity of someone being around my age saying it’s normal and banter amongst friends and used for affection and the idiot saying “before it went mainstream” dude I’m 33. I know for FACT that word has always been profoundly and world renowned to be offensive. Deeply. To both straight and gay. From the shirt lifters of the 50’s to the police brutality of the 80’s to now. They may say this word in their group of friends and not think anything of it but that shows the type of people they are. And what they fail to realise due to pure ignorance is that they ARE a TYPE of people. Amongst straights, gays, that word is not casual and not accepted. Just because you’ve been sweating on your lil boy shooter game saying among friends on discord and just getting away with it, doesn’t mean it’s “accepted”. A 90’s kid sounding like a full on boomer saying the whole “in my day” speech. Dude, there are generations behind you and in front that would smack the dumb of your face for uttering that word. Say it in prison, see what happens lol - making us 90’s look like fools.
I think many people can admit in there past they've said them words more than once does it make it ok ofc notand many people call this the generation of snowflakes but I just think people now have more dignity and humanity to understand that them words effect people in a huge way
Serious question with no hate in this as im just curious. You often say in videos, trash talking is fine, its just words it doesn't matter. But someone saying gay in a negative way isn't ok, but is also just trash talking and is just words? What's the difference, both could affect someone so negatively that they hurt themselves, yet one is acceptable and you should get over it and be ok with it, but the other is awful and abhorrent when the person saying both has probably the same tolerance? Before someone ends up attacking me i don't use slurs but just thought this was an interesting topic to discuss.
@@AaronDukeYT That's fair and valid, just wanted your opinion on it. I agree and assumed that was it :) Just was more talking about the words don't mean anything that you've said a few times in your videos about toxic streamers
i’m a degenerate. i’m really not a good person and not just because i use derogatory terms and language. i want to change, i want to get “better” whatever the hell that means but i lack conviction and commitment is a problem for me so i don’t know how to start and stay on the path of growth and becoming mentally healthy. i’ve changed a little, i’ve become a little bit more accepting but not nearly enough. i dunno what my problem is, i don’t think i actually hate anyone but then i turn right around and say the worst things i can think of just because of a fuckin video game. i’m not even totally straight (male btw) i mean have you SEEN Ryan Reynolds? Jake Gyllenhaal? you’re out of your mind if they are attractive to you. i dunno. i think i’m just sick. that obviously doesn’t excuse awful behavior but yknow it provides some context i guess.
I have never understood saying the F slur or the n word when they get mad. It makes zero sense to me. I don't understand people who use it in a joking manner with friends either(unless youre in the LGBT+ community) Like why joke like that?(this is coming from a straight person)
F-slur being used in MW2 so it's fine now makes it sound like killing Jews is fine now because it happened in WW2. I know it's not the best comparison but maybe it helps to stop using it and normalizing the word.
I am of the mindset we need to learn to no longer give words power over us. I don't get offended when people slur at me because it's clear they want to hold power over me by insulting who I am. And so I let them throw their little tantrum in amusement. However, we shouldn't be using these words so casually, especially in a place of influence. We need to recognize the harm it does to youth that are confused about themselves. People in positions of influence should not use those words period, and should use those positions of influence to help people that are growing feel more comfortable with who they are. Then afterward we should guide them to better withstand insults and words meant to harm them, that way we can squash control that those that would wish harm upon people want to have.
I feel like the use of the F slur is gonna be compared to the N word. The N word was used hundreds of years ago as a derogatory term for black slaves, today it’s used commonly by black people to refer to each other, the word has been diluted from a derogatory term to a nice greeting to your friend because people took the word back and made it not racist. The F slur hasn’t gotten to that point yet, LBTQ+ people are still a marginalized oppressed group that get this homophobic shit from people calling them the F slur, maybe one day we’ll be able to remove the word from existence or make it a nice word. Only time will tell.
Well said Aaron, as a parent of a 9 year old (and also a transgender 17 year old) who has been gaming for years now and wants to watch youtubers like his friends, i cannot agree more with what you've said about the influence a content creator can have on children. Anyone my kid wants to watch I check out first, and ngl 8/10 times I have to tell him im not letting him watch them, and it's because of their words and behaviour towards other people and the things that they say. Kids are absolutely sponges and they will copy and say things that they don't even understand the meaning of.
In my opinion its just a word only cause he said faggot it doesn't mean that he hates transgenders. I mean people call themselves Queer. An insult/a slur in the 90s.
So I'm a big advocate of freedom of speech, in my opinion, as long as you arent threatening someones/someones friends or family's safety, being able to say whatever is on your mind is a great freedom to have, not everyone does. Now when it comes to any type of slurs, I see using any sort of language is fine as long as you are willing to see the repercussions coming your way, and being able to take it however you do. I've never said something to someone over the internet that I wouldnt say to their face in person, and it keeps a decently healthy balance. Because that way it keeps things from becoming too serious or ignorant when it really doesnt need to be, because I think having to censor yourself to the point that you cant even use it for comedic value amongst your friends is a tad over the line for me. I've got friends from all walks of life, I've used slurs that directly describe them, and they are fine with it because they know none of it is out of malice, it's all for jokes and we love eachother for the fact that we can speak freely as such and just be ourselves, we dont hate one another's race/ orientation/gender, we just mess with eachother and are all friends at the end of the day. If people want to make it that much apparent that they arent a terrible person because a word slipped when in a bit of a rage over a video game, then more power to them. And it's a shame that this guy is getting flak and criticism for the fact that he isnt practically groveling at his audiences feet begging for forgiveness, I wouldnt cause holy shit that's demeaning, his apology that it shouldnt have happened and that it was wrong and that he doesnt share the views based on him saying a 3 letter word in a fit of anger should have been sufficient. Props to him cause admitting you've done wrong is something that a lot of people struggle to cope with.
I want to make it known that i dont like people saying shit do demean or make someone feel less but honestly i just think people need to stop caring about what people say about you or what you like/support. Its not growing a backbone but its more of saying that there will ALWAYS be people who dont like you or what you support and that will never go away. I was just personally raised to not let random people in life or on the internet to hurt your feelings over some crap they spew. Again not justifying it just giving my take on the whole situation
Your intentions seem good here, but I’m more for holding people accountable for shitty behavior. There’s a fine line between having emotional fortitude and being a doormat/permissive to bigoted speech…
The only times I say “that’s gay” on games is normally when I’m playing by myself cause I only usually play by myself and no one can hear me cause I never have mic on So I have to stop saying it incase the imaginary people in my house get upset?
Trash talk ≠ hate speech, but if every once in a while you may in a fit of anger say these words. But if the game platform or game is self is banning you for a mistake it’s stupid.
Yes, I care more about my freedom of speech than I do other peoples feelings 😂😂. how is that a hottake? though i agree with what you said as bi, i value freedom of speech far more since censoring things is a terrible road to go down.
I hope the day comes when slurs in the gaming community aren't common. We've made HUGE progress since the days of MW2 and I hope it continues that way 💙
@AaronDukeYT
The F slur is actually harmless depending on context
If he's not using it in a homophobic way then we shouldn't be mad
Yea the word might still be bad but let's not snowflakes
that whole tweet reminds me of when people say "I have nothing against gay people, but I wouldn't want my son to be gay". So you *do* have something against gay people.
I know a few people like this. I don't think it is always from a place of hate. I think it is just stupidity. They always give the same reason of "I want grand kids that are actually related to me." Which I don't think is hateful but it is VERY stupid lol.
YES, you have freedom of speech but NOT freedom of consequence.
exactly
if there are negative consequence it's not freedom.
@@martarillion you have the freedom to make the choice, freedom of speech is only in regard to the government not being able to control your speech, it doesn't prevent independent people from restricting it or society at large, freedom of speech doesn't give you the right to say what you want without consequence from society it only protects you from the government.
@@martarillion Lol, thank you for so casually illustrating the exact issue of people with your mindset. It is freedom, regardless of the consequences. Nobody can stop you from saying whatever you want. That's freedom. The general populace can respond to that in any way they want. That's also freedom. The fact that people like you, and like the "Hot Take" guy up there believe that you only have true freedom if you're impugning on other people's freedom speaks to some CRAZY entitlement. Like, if I go over and stab my neighbor right now, when the cops show up, how do you think it's going to go if I look at the arresting office and say "You're really stepping on my freedom of expression right now." I'll tell you how it's going to go. I'm going to get tased, and then still arrested. Grow up.
@@martarilliontranslation: “boo hoo I can’t ruin people’s days without consequences anymore”
Was 10 mins into the vudeo before I realised the f word wasn't the 4 letter one. I was genuinely so confused at why such a deal was being made of it haha.
In UK I don't hear anyone say the 3 letter f word unless they're referring to a cigarette.
I unfortunately do as a fellow Brit :(
Why do you call them that? I never had looked it up. I could, or could keep conversation going for Aaron's stats
@@themr_wilson It is because in the U.K and Scotland the word (3 letter one) means Stick, and the 6 letter one means a bundle of sticks. Or at least that is my understanding of it. I am not from either place so it could be random bullshit that Murica made up lol but I doubt it.
He didn't do it perfectly, but no one should be expected to be perfect, either! It's very clear he regrets saying it and the fact he doesn't like saying it means that he's very likely to try not saying it in the future.
This is sarcasm right ?
it’s very clear in his video he’s only making the video because he knows he will get backlash. i’m gay and don’t care who uses the f word but he very much isn’t sorry he said it just sorry he got caught
Look man I'm in my 30's I grew up in the age where saying gay as an adjective like "oh that commercial was gay" or using it in a negative way. I grew up where the f slur was in every movie even kid movies (kids using the language) and being in the social era of when using slurs like this was totally normal. Guess what? It is not the 90s anymore in not the early 2000s those words in that negative way are not acceptable anymore. I remember the last time I used the word gay in a negative way I was in 10th grade doing a summer program at upward bound which was very LGBT friendly back then. I remember I was watching a movie in the common room and I said " this movie is gay" which was extremely normal back then and the girl who was sitting next to me snapped at me (rightfully so) that "Hey gay doesn't mean bad or stupid" that's all it took for me to look at it in a way I had never thought about before as a straight guy. I've made a conscious effort to never say that again. It's really that easy and only takes a bit of empathy for people who are different than you. So saying "well we grew up in that time and it was normal and hard to change" what a load of shit.
EDIT: I wanted to add I have been absolutely raging and guess what? Slurs don't pop out of my mouth you know why? Because I dont use them in my private life and this content creator can say whatever he wants but its kinda hard to believe that he doesn't now and then for it to just pop out like that. I mean I hope he learns from that and trys to be better but I don't really believe he wasn't using that word before hand.
I gotta say... you really opened my eyes. I used to say that stuff all the time. Still do once Inna while. Like when I'm playing Madden or something and the cpu would do some bs. As an example. But after hearing what you said about the trickle-down effect it has, it has really made me question myself, and for that, I thank you and apologize. Imma do my best in the future to cut that shit out.
I appreciate you taking the time to hear me out 💙
I have slowly gotten worse and worse and censoring my anger :(
It's something you can work on, brother! It's okay to admit your faults, and I believe you can work through them if you really want to.
Oh no who could of foreseen it happening in call of duty
Being a 'part of a generation' or 'i grew up saying it' to excuse shit behavior is absolutely stupid. you learn things, you can unlearn them.
Habits are hard to break.
@@TheMacgician They are, it takes time. I have unlearned many things in my almost 40 years on earth.
It's only stupid cause those people who disagree didn't grow up saying it or were apart of that generation. Why should people get cancelled, lose there jobs, and get threats all for a simple word. Aren't we in a time now where people say people shouldn't care what others think? Or is that only said when its beneficial.
The average die hard CoD player hasn’t emotionally or mentally matured past the age of 12. Just like how violence breeds violence, hatred breeds hatred
Every single post or video about DBD, someone's talking about COD
@@themr_wilson easy comparison to make. Both communities are online shit stains
Ah yes such crazy violence in CoD compared to DBD
@@cheeks684 that’s not what I meant. I meant that just LIKE how violence usually causes more violence, hatred causes more hatred
apologising was still mature
Wise words Scooby-Doo
The type of guys that blame the new generation for being overly sensitive are the biggest hypocrites imo. Make one negative comment towards their political party or sports team, and then they go on a tirade 😅
Lol true I personally don't like how far PC has gone just because it feels like you have to be walking on eggshells all the time or else if you slip up once you get cancelled and your life gets fucked. but that's not to say that some people who are horrid don't deserve it and I have always since a young age found it so stupid when people get pissed about something like a political party or especially sports 🤣🤣
Oh hell yeah, lol. The ones who scream freedom of speech the most are also the ones who get so pissy when you criticize them or their party
When I was 17 I used to tutor an 11 year old. This literal child asked me about my sexuality and told me that I shouldn't be alive because I'm probably gay. His parent were always super sweet and lovely. When I asked him why he would say stuff like that, he said that it's "normal" and that the people he watches and lookes up to share those views. He even started to physically abuse me at some point. It was horrifying to see a literal child be so hateful and I am so scared for the people that interact with them in the future.
It's not just words and people who defend it as such are ignorant and make me so incredibly angry.
If a child tells someone, who is years older than them, that they shouldn't be alive just because of the way they love, something is just plain wrong in this world
Thank you for making this video aaron! I really hope that more people start to understand things like this soon 💚
I have played video games since I was 8 years old and I am 26 now. I HAVE DON'T USE THIS WORD. The hell is wrong with people thinking that this is required to have a good time.
I used this word in the past, but didn't know the meaning at the time. In Highschool one of my friends was trans and I saw him break with that word... I changed and haven't used it since. I convinced my family and others around me to stop using it as well.
I recall the time when these words were just used in place of 'lame' or 'sucks' I used to casually call things 'gay' simply meaning 'Oh that sucks' but there comes a time when collectively we're meant to learn 'Hey, maybe we didn't realize it, but its actually pretty hurtful'
In short *HE* grew up at some point and the people mad at him did not.
Yes, all of this, yes. My issue with his apology is that he said it so absolutely naturally that it really does sound like he uses it in private, no matter what he claims. I grew up in the 80s and 90s in the midst of all the homophobia, the AIDS pandemic, and it was normal to call things “gay” if we didn’t like them. I’m 43 now and you know what I don’t do? I don’t say shit like that even in the heat of the moment or a fit of anger. I was cursing up a storm at the door knob I was replacing today because it wasn’t lined up properly and not ONCE did a slur of any kind come out of my mouth. Plenty of “FUUUUCK!” and “FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT!” But never a slur. It doesn’t take much self control to not use slurs. In fact, it takes none at all. I don’t buy his statement that he doesn’t say that in his private life.
There’s no way he doesn’t say it in private, he 100% went back playing COD/siege and said it again while off stream, no way it comes naturally when you don’t say it
I mean it's like the N word. A lot of black people use the word, and so do many rappers, and hey, that's generally accepted (unless they are white rappers.. Eminem doesn't get to use the N word.) It's them, taking to those like them, and that 's fine. But for the most part they shouldn't say it on the internet because they know that not everyone in their community is okay with. My BFF (almost like a sister, that's how close we are) hates the word, and tells her other black friends not to use it around her, and they respect that. If you are a part of the LGBT communtiy and you are speaking with someone else that in the LGBT community that is okay with the word, fine. But when you are not in private, you don't use the word because you don't' know who else is around that is not as okay with it as you are.
Another example even off the internet is I have a friend who is a Cajun from Louisiana and he will use a word that is very common among Cajuns and we keep telling him, "You are not in Louisiana! That word is not okay here!" He is like "It's a term of affection!" and I am like "Yes, I 100% know it is. But we are in Kansas, not Louisiana."
Heck there is a word (nickname for a police van) that many Irish find offensive that I do not (my grandmother was Irish, first born of her family in America) and I use it sometimes, but I do NOT use it on the internet because of context that I don't know that other Irish might not be okay with it.
The saddest part of arguments involving "back in my day," is that the attempt at distancing themselves of responsibility just makes it glaringly obvious they stopped caring about their own personal growth 10+ years ago. It's not a flex that bad words were part of your vocabulary in childhood & you have done nothing to advance beyond insults to """win""" situations or belittle another over a stupid game.
Thank you for this. Im so tired of being seen as "too PC" for wanting to not be called a slur? Especially as a woman in gaming, the insults and way people treat others is insane. I theoretically could understand in the past doing these actions (as have I) when we were CHILDREN, but we are adults now. I honestly couldnt be friends with anyone who acts like some raged out loser because they got shot in a game. These people need to genuinely grow up and find a new passion.
Yeah fr. I have personally been called slurs and I usually just tell them to fuck off and move on because I was raised by parents who told me that there will always be people who don't like your for some reason or even no reason at all. They will always exist so just move on and don't let idiots affect your mood or your day. Harder than it sounds but it is completely doable
(Disclaimer, I am a transgender female who is asexual and homoromantic, meaning I like girls) Hmm... so, I will start with that "hot take" tweet. In my opinion, it is situational on its definition and use. I've heard tons and tons of slurs used against me in both contexts. To get on a deeper level, gaming has taken some of the conscious meaning out of the f slur. Consciously, quite a few people don't mean anything by using it, but 90% of the time, they do hold at least somewhat homophobic views. So, contextually in gaming, it usually isn't homophobic by itself. In this situation, I hold the same view I've had for a while: don't blame the person, blame the system. And I know saying "blame the system" has red flags going off for some of you, but let me explain. Gaming culture has long been this way, and I do think it should change. This culture does usually attack men-love-men relationships while usually sexualizing women-love-women relationships. The reason I call for change now is exactly as Aaron said, this is how kids learn: they copy. The f slur is only a small portion of an overlying issue. It's not just the f slur being used. I mean... we heard the streamer tell people (presumably men) to suck a dick. In this context, it's being used as an attack. In our minds, at the very least subconsciously, we associate calling people "gay" as a bad thing. It creates the relationships between negative thoughts and emotions to being gay. Again, this is not the entire problem, but they are major signs of an overlying issue. As always, please take your time reading this and have an amazing day all you beautiful people.
I've never heard that little problem described that well.
I'm not reading all that, I'm just gonna assume it's based
This reminds me of the time I grew up and told myself I wasn't going to use the "R" word anymore. I think it's part of maturing and people who still use these types of words haven't matured or have the intelligence to realize what effect these words can have on others. Have I slipped up and used the word after I told myself I wouldn't say it? Yes. However when the slip up has happened, it actually made me question why I said it, and then further instilled it in me to never say it again. I think it's not until someone thinks for a second and realizes what their words can do to another human being to make them stop. If they care enough to even think of another human being as an equal that is.
Not surprised that it's from the COD community and one of the reasons i left. Its pretty much a staple of the COD community. I am surprised though that dude took accountability so fast.
Ok when I wrote my last comment I hadn’t finished the video. Your explanation of Why the words must made me cry dude. It’s weird hearing we all share the same experience yet we forget on a deep level so thank you for your support ❤️
"the backlash isn't from who you expect, no the backlash is from people who defend the use of this word"
That's exactly who i expected the backlash from.
Typically if someone apologizes and doesn't make it a excuse hole and it seems genuine then yeah you're gonna get SOME people still giving you shit but you'll be fine.
But the people who defend the use of that word fervently are the ones who typically have a problem with apologizing as a whole for anything.
Ironically i'm of two minds about it. Yes that word shouldn't be used in general.The 'We had it growing up' while seeming flimsy is also a argument that varies from person to person. I'm bisexual and i still think of it when i'm incredibly heated because i'm young (mid 20s ) and this was just part of my vocabulary growing up. I don't say it but it does pop into my mind. This is a hard habit to break without effort and even then it's extremely easy for some people to drop the word and for others it's damned near impossible even though they want to. The important thing here to decipher in my opinion is is he being legitamately sorry about what he said or is he covering his ass for his career. If he's legitamately sorry and remorseful then cool. if not...then what's the point of any of this.
I probably didn't exactly express what i wanted to say very clearly but this is kinda my take in short.
TLDR: Bad people defend bad things, Growing up with the word is a explanation depending on the persons vocabulary though not a excuse, Be kind if someone is trying to learn and slip up. Be stern if they are using your kindness to avoid actual accountability
Freedom of Speech, does NOT mean freedom of consequences.
Is he within his right to say stupid shit? Yes. Does that mean he should NOT get backlash? No.
Yes we can all say 13ish years ago, gaming WAS different, this behaviour WAS acceptable. But just because something was acceptable back then, does NOT make it okay.
Also freedom of speech is not what people think it is. Freedom of speech is only your freedom of speech towards government officials where they can't get you arrested or anything like that for voicing your opinion.
It really shows that alot of people do not actually understand what the freedom of speech means.
I couldn't even imagine back then using such words and I have been gaming for over twenty years. I was also the subject of many slurs and derogatory terms growing up due to my diagnosis of Asperger's Syndrome at four with many adults and other peers such as the R, F and other slurs because people thought it was "funny" or "edgy". It would and could have been easy for myself to go down that same road to others out of anger, but it does no one any good to become someone who uses words. People make mistakes and can grow, but trying to justify such behaviour will never work and I know people can do better if they are willing to try
I am sooo tired of the same old excuse of “well back in MW2 days, this was normal” It’s not ok for any of this to be said but blaming it on MW2 days is making them sound like a broken record
I understand about being 'different'; struggling with it, trying to hide it, wanting to hurt myself over it. I lost a lot of sleep over it, cried a lot of tears, and wished I was dead MANY times--and then, I grew up. I realized that words have power--but only as much power as you give them. When someone calls you names, that makes THEM small, not you. I think the world would be a better place if more people would recognize that. He DID apologize, and that's a start.
Can't say I'm surprised at the backlash he faced for apologizing. That word is the poster child of call of duty
Me when I realize this was taking about Modern Warfare 2 and not MechWarrior 2 which also used that abbreviation in 1995: 😭
I’ve never even heard of that game 😂😂
@@AaronDukeYT *cries*
I don't really care for the use of the word myself ,but I don't think I've ever met someone who uses that word and actually means it in a bad way. Hell I've even met some gay people who have used this word in private. So it's hard for me to take it seriously.
As a gay person i have something i want to say. To be honest I couldn't give a hoot about his apology, he started off by saying how it'll keep him up at night rah rah rah, which in my opinion invalidates his apology due to the fact that he is immediately making it about himself and how it will affect HIM, that is not a sincere apology in my mind.
Secondly I want to address the word he used. I use the F-word often to describe myself or certain friends, but see i view the f-word like the N-word, not every queer likes to be called it, even by other queers, just as not every black person likes to be called the n-word even by other black people. And it should never, NEVER be used by people outside of each word's respective community, and especially by people who use in a derogatory manner.
I have been in the gaming community for a bit more than ten years now, and sure this what it was like back then, but it's about damn time it changes. We as gamers are not "Getting soft" or becoming "Snowflakes" we just have the courage to speak up now about crap that has harmed us for years and we kept quiet about. They don't want us to toughen up, they want us to shut up, and let their hate filled words and behaviour go unchecked and unchallenged. We aren't weak, we have lost out tolerance for the intolerant, and found our voices, and we should not have to be quite once again simply because make apology videos, or can't handle the conceqences of their own actions.
"Pandering to sensitive groups instead of giving them a backbone" I love the patronizing logic of that. Its hilarious that he thinks its better for lgbt people to have to just toughen up and accept that they use slurs so they can feel comfortable with them, not that people it actually applies to should have a right to tell you not to use it.
11:18 Aaron is a furry confurmed ;D
I knew I’d get this comment from someone 😭😭
At least if any of y'all want to rizz Aaron all you have to do is say "woof woof".
@@AaronDukeYT As a furry myself I am qualified to judge this, be not afraid, embrace the cringe. Become one of us, one of us, one of us :P
Words only have power because we give them power
Just like “cussing” we give words meaning
i go on calll of duty all the time and get called it, its sad how toxic people are.
I am 29m and i use to play COD in my teen years. I do not use any of the slurs. This whole everyone use to say it in COD and so on is not true. The people who said it back then are the same onces hwo use it now. They think the stu is bad and disgusting and they think it is an insult to be that stuff.
I did get a boost on some perspective thank you I see too many people acting like someone can’t change whether it’s to appease on side or just not accepting when people do wanna take accountability but are met with so much hostility they fold. Anyways I’m faded ranting but thanks again opening these thoughts.
I 100% agree with you! My friend who is a lesbian got attacked in game chat before the game even began.. she/he was telling her she was transphobic, disgusting and so on. This person continued to actually bully her in game, bodyblocking, even worked with the killer to unalive my friend cause she is a lesbian. It's ridiculous 🤦🏼♀️ I wish People were nicer to each other then being that toxic. There is no reason for attacking a person that bruttaly, it can really Hurt.
These people behind the defence of CoD lobbies must also think that maturing, growing up and changing is a lie.
Such a great video Aaron, I am 23 I grew up during the cod era too and as a pansexual man I used to get so many slurs aimed at me luckily due to bad upbringing I'm used to that so it don't bother me anymore but I hate it when it's said to others as well. I'm glad your happy doing your new content away from dbd but I'm also glad my favourite videos are still coming 😊 ❤
i was 21yrs old in 2007 *existential crisis mode activated*
Sorry 😂😂
Thank you so much for taking the time to make this video and explain this terrible trickle-down effect! I really hope some people who needs to hear this will listen.
Another side note: You said that children who are listening to this will learn from it and I have a little bit of an issue with your choose of words here. The children don't learn anything in this situation, they adapt and are being socialized. They begin to learn, as soon as they reflect their (or other) behavior. Like you did when you reflected your behavior as a teen and came to the conclusion to stop using these words.
Why am I writing this? Because it's important to remind yourself to critically reflect yourself and the world around us. Otherwise, we won't be able to learn. We'll just adapt.
I knew there would be some people who will try to say that slurs are just "part of gaming culture" but be the same people that get mad when its called out as being toxic, whine about everything being woke, or diversity, or whatever they get hysterical against only because they cant play games without slurs or sexism. Its not news anymore that lgbt people play video games as well. But its weird that people feel like they're entitled to use slurs because they're "gamers."
Where did you get that hoodie? I need oneeee
All the dude needed to say was "I said something I didnt mean too, I'm sorry and I wont say it again." If you want some life changing plan other than that? Some oath to educate themselves over a slip of the tongue? Youve blown it out of proportion.
He’s not sorry because he said the word and hurt a community - he’s sorry because his career might be in danger.
He DEFINITELY says it all the time off stream - words like that don’t just slip out.
Because of the thumbnail I thought it was dougdoug
I've tried a few times asking people not to use Gay, Queer or the F word in a derogatory way. Some have understood, others have argued at me and called me sensitive etc. So with those I just gave up and drifted away from them.
As someone who is also Bi, I personally don't mind the F word when it's referring to the Welsh pork balls dish. (for those outside of UK they're kinda like a bigger vers of Swedish meatballs but are pork and served in gravy) But when it's used to insult/discriminate etc, it's not right.
Scooby doo cosplay when? 🤨
There is a real life dish called the f-word in gravy. Which is pretty silly.
When people bring up old cod lobbies its just a blatant self report that you haven't matured as a person since back then and it's really sad.
I am bisexual and i (personaly) dont find the f slur offending at all. In my opinion its something simular to „b*tch“ but just for gay ppl. Some people just say it because it has some kind of weight because they know that its a taboo to say this word. I think screwing on zhe political correctness here would be more profitable since it would take away the taboo.
P.s. I fully agree on what this one guy said :“If you feel offended that easily, youre pathetic“. Ik its not a good thing, but thats the internet and the internet is an unsafe place (which doesnt mean i encourage people to act like idiots in saying words like that with the purpose of harm).
i fully agree on that
agree on that, we should work on making slurs lose what ever power people think they have rather then just stopping people from saying them as it only makes them "stronger" and seem worse then what they actually are: childish insults to try and get under someone's skin quickly
@@Oxygen1004 exactly :3
Your words are part of the problem and are contributing to the harm that i spoke about being caused in this video. As a member of the LGBT community, you should be ashamed of being so blasé about these words just because YOU have given up on finding against them. No minority group of people should have a specific, negative word attributed to them and think that that’s okay.
Comparing to a simple word like b!tch undersells it's impact, I would more compare it to an actual slur like the n-word, not every black person likes being called that, even by other black people, just as not every person in the LGBTQ+ community likes being called the f-word. Just because it's not offensive to you or I, does not mean it doesn't impact others.
As for the comment "but that's just the internet, and the internet is an unsafe place." If it's unsafe, then we should work towards making it safer, better and more inclusive to all, stop letting people get away with saying slurs that clearly affect people. "If we want words to no longer have power, then we need to stop letting people with power use them!"
wait what? that was a slur?
eh, I hear worse on the daily.
"If I don't do this, I won't sleep well," is just another way of saying, "If I don't rectify my mistake, I won't sleep well"
You need a podcast fr
I 100% agree that that word has no place in the gaming community. The only time I(queer) ever use it is when I'm with friends(also queer) and we use it as a joking/loving insult towards each other, if that makes sense.
Growing up I used to say words like that. Now I think saying "it's gay" and using the F slur is not only wrong but cringe asf. The streamer did the right thing by apologizing and I don't think there should've been backlash but everyone is different. It's not like he told someone to unalive themselves. I get why people are upset about it but the streamer made the EFFORT to apologize where other streamers will refuse to acknowledge they did anything at all. I hope he gets some peace from this soon. I commend him for trying.
I think it's helpful to take a dialectical approach at explaining this.
Just because something is or was common, doesn't make it okay. People who are mature don't need to say things like this. I had a grown as man telling a young girl to of f herself on rdr2o. Not to mention, he was telling her to get in the kitchen and cook for him, when she was a child. That isn't mature, isn't acceptable, and shouldn't be normalized. Normal doesn't equal good. Sure people get mad and lash out, but you should be mature enough not to say things like this with no consequence, if at all. And if you're someone who has grown and matured and learned not to use these words, good job and thank you for the change
Hey Aaron,
watching your videos really make me feel seen and safe- thank you! I hope you make an impact on people who are still struggling, so they get the strength to be who they are! ❤
My father ist actually gay and he never uses gay but rather homosexual because of the negative stigma, wich is just sad.
I have said it before and I will keep saying it. Wanting to be treated with the most minimal amount of human decency does not make someone a "snowflake"
Im a bit ashamed to admit im 30 and i was able to take quite a lot from this video. Im fairly influenced by the ppl around me as you said. Issue is just im 30 not 13. But hey im still willing to learn and improve
i'm bi and i live in the middle east i think you guys shouldn't care about specific words, why not manners as a whole, in my country if you insult someone by regular insults you could get a lawsuit but in america free speech i guess well that's the problem
Gotta say love your videos!
I remember my old friends constably used those words. And those feelings you descibed was spot on for what i felt since i was curois about my own sexuality. But it was mostly since im trans and was specially curious about who i like. And that time my best friend almost killed me by using those words, so can be dangorus.
But iv cut contact with them after i came out🏳️⚧️
Still love your videos!!
I do not agree with everything, but it changed my mind on using thoses kind of words. we can all easily change theses words for other expressions. Trash talking is a big part of gaming, but it should not be about ethnicity or sexual orientation, thats horrible
he said the n Slur both bad yesurday too
The problem is gaming culture (especially with straight guys (i don't like singling them out but it's what ive experienced)) I have always grown up knowing these words were bad but gaming normalises them so much that it took my till like 18 to realise me and my friends are encouraging eachother, either I got new friends or sat down with all of us and said "okay, we all need to change"
To elaborate, I think it's the desire to fit in, if one person uses them whilst gaming alot of people who are trying to fit in will copy it.
While i am not speaking of this case but its a great example, saying "it was a slip of the tongue" is just a really bad excuse because thaf means you say the word SO OFTEN you dont think about it. Its just proof your not sorry and you're saying awful things behind closed doors
The world evolves around us 🌐
People should too ⚖️
Although everybody makes mistakes, you can learn from it and never do it again 👍
The audacity of someone being around my age saying it’s normal and banter amongst friends and used for affection and the idiot saying “before it went mainstream” dude I’m 33. I know for FACT that word has always been profoundly and world renowned to be offensive. Deeply. To both straight and gay. From the shirt lifters of the 50’s to the police brutality of the 80’s to now. They may say this word in their group of friends and not think anything of it but that shows the type of people they are. And what they fail to realise due to pure ignorance is that they ARE a TYPE of people. Amongst straights, gays, that word is not casual and not accepted. Just because you’ve been sweating on your lil boy shooter game saying among friends on discord and just getting away with it, doesn’t mean it’s “accepted”. A 90’s kid sounding like a full on boomer saying the whole “in my day” speech. Dude, there are generations behind you and in front that would smack the dumb of your face for uttering that word. Say it in prison, see what happens lol - making us 90’s look like fools.
I think many people can admit in there past they've said them words more than once does it make it ok ofc notand many people call this the generation of snowflakes but I just think people now have more dignity and humanity to understand that them words effect people in a huge way
same i grew up playing call of duty MWs too and im Gay and happy and youre vaild and amazing stay strong and be brave.
Serious question with no hate in this as im just curious.
You often say in videos, trash talking is fine, its just words it doesn't matter. But someone saying gay in a negative way isn't ok, but is also just trash talking and is just words? What's the difference, both could affect someone so negatively that they hurt themselves, yet one is acceptable and you should get over it and be ok with it, but the other is awful and abhorrent when the person saying both has probably the same tolerance?
Before someone ends up attacking me i don't use slurs but just thought this was an interesting topic to discuss.
I don’t consider offensive, bigoted slurs to just be “trash talk”. There you go, problem solved.
@@AaronDukeYT That's fair and valid, just wanted your opinion on it. I agree and assumed that was it :)
Just was more talking about the words don't mean anything that you've said a few times in your videos about toxic streamers
i’m a degenerate. i’m really not a good person and not just because i use derogatory terms and language.
i want to change, i want to get “better” whatever the hell that means
but i lack conviction and commitment is a problem for me so i don’t know how to start and stay on the path of growth and becoming mentally healthy.
i’ve changed a little, i’ve become a little bit more accepting but not nearly enough.
i dunno what my problem is, i don’t think i actually hate anyone but then i turn right around and say the worst things i can think of just because of a fuckin video game.
i’m not even totally straight (male btw) i mean have you SEEN Ryan Reynolds? Jake Gyllenhaal? you’re out of your mind if they are attractive to you.
i dunno. i think i’m just sick. that obviously doesn’t excuse awful behavior but yknow it provides some context i guess.
Sounds like you're already on a path to getting better, dude.
Slurs like this are just lazy cursing. Put some effort in, people.
I have never understood saying the F slur or the n word when they get mad. It makes zero sense to me. I don't understand people who use it in a joking manner with friends either(unless youre in the LGBT+ community) Like why joke like that?(this is coming from a straight person)
F-slur being used in MW2 so it's fine now makes it sound like killing Jews is fine now because it happened in WW2. I know it's not the best comparison but maybe it helps to stop using it and normalizing the word.
WRT: Calling people the F slur, or saying "That's so gay": Just because you CAN say something, does not mean you SHOULD.
If your apologies for something I feel like it’s implied you won’t do It again then again that may just be me
You remind me more of shaggy then Scooby Doo, but whatever you say Scooby Doo.
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I am of the mindset we need to learn to no longer give words power over us. I don't get offended when people slur at me because it's clear they want to hold power over me by insulting who I am. And so I let them throw their little tantrum in amusement. However, we shouldn't be using these words so casually, especially in a place of influence. We need to recognize the harm it does to youth that are confused about themselves. People in positions of influence should not use those words period, and should use those positions of influence to help people that are growing feel more comfortable with who they are. Then afterward we should guide them to better withstand insults and words meant to harm them, that way we can squash control that those that would wish harm upon people want to have.
I feel like the use of the F slur is gonna be compared to the N word. The N word was used hundreds of years ago as a derogatory term for black slaves, today it’s used commonly by black people to refer to each other, the word has been diluted from a derogatory term to a nice greeting to your friend because people took the word back and made it not racist. The F slur hasn’t gotten to that point yet, LBTQ+ people are still a marginalized oppressed group that get this homophobic shit from people calling them the F slur, maybe one day we’ll be able to remove the word from existence or make it a nice word. Only time will tell.
freedom of speech is not all over the world only USA, and free speech is okay but hate speech is bad, there is a diffences
Once you said Call of Duty streamer I’m more shocked he even apologized. He absolutely speaks like this off stream and this apology is hollow
I try and see the best in a situation, so I’m seeing his apology as genuine and hoping things get better
If you don't care about the f-slur, then just use a different word. No problem, you don't care, right? Easy peasy humani-teasy
This was way overblown
Well said Aaron, as a parent of a 9 year old (and also a transgender 17 year old) who has been gaming for years now and wants to watch youtubers like his friends, i cannot agree more with what you've said about the influence a content creator can have on children. Anyone my kid wants to watch I check out first, and ngl 8/10 times I have to tell him im not letting him watch them, and it's because of their words and behaviour towards other people and the things that they say. Kids are absolutely sponges and they will copy and say things that they don't even understand the meaning of.
In my opinion its just a word only cause he said faggot it doesn't mean that he hates transgenders. I mean people call themselves Queer. An insult/a slur in the 90s.
Wowzies man, this whole topic of discussion is a real kerfuffle😁 Digitty darn he sure did deserve it
People like to be victims to much.
So I'm a big advocate of freedom of speech, in my opinion, as long as you arent threatening someones/someones friends or family's safety, being able to say whatever is on your mind is a great freedom to have, not everyone does.
Now when it comes to any type of slurs, I see using any sort of language is fine as long as you are willing to see the repercussions coming your way, and being able to take it however you do. I've never said something to someone over the internet that I wouldnt say to their face in person, and it keeps a decently healthy balance. Because that way it keeps things from becoming too serious or ignorant when it really doesnt need to be, because I think having to censor yourself to the point that you cant even use it for comedic value amongst your friends is a tad over the line for me. I've got friends from all walks of life, I've used slurs that directly describe them, and they are fine with it because they know none of it is out of malice, it's all for jokes and we love eachother for the fact that we can speak freely as such and just be ourselves, we dont hate one another's race/ orientation/gender, we just mess with eachother and are all friends at the end of the day.
If people want to make it that much apparent that they arent a terrible person because a word slipped when in a bit of a rage over a video game, then more power to them. And it's a shame that this guy is getting flak and criticism for the fact that he isnt practically groveling at his audiences feet begging for forgiveness, I wouldnt cause holy shit that's demeaning, his apology that it shouldnt have happened and that it was wrong and that he doesnt share the views based on him saying a 3 letter word in a fit of anger should have been sufficient. Props to him cause admitting you've done wrong is something that a lot of people struggle to cope with.
I want to make it known that i dont like people saying shit do demean or make someone feel less but honestly i just think people need to stop caring about what people say about you or what you like/support. Its not growing a backbone but its more of saying that there will ALWAYS be people who dont like you or what you support and that will never go away. I was just personally raised to not let random people in life or on the internet to hurt your feelings over some crap they spew. Again not justifying it just giving my take on the whole situation
Your intentions seem good here, but I’m more for holding people accountable for shitty behavior.
There’s a fine line between having emotional fortitude and being a doormat/permissive to bigoted speech…
Censor is a bundle sticks for apologizing
The only times I say “that’s gay” on games is normally when I’m playing by myself cause I only usually play by myself and no one can hear me cause I never have mic on
So I have to stop saying it incase the imaginary people in my house get upset?
Trash talk ≠ hate speech, but if every once in a while you may in a fit of anger say these words. But if the game platform or game is self is banning you for a mistake it’s stupid.
Yes, I care more about my freedom of speech than I do other peoples feelings 😂😂. how is that a hottake? though i agree with what you said as bi, i value freedom of speech far more since censoring things is a terrible road to go down.
He should be banned. Period.
Do you ever actually put out game play content or you just making your CZcams career about bitching about other streamers.?
If you want gameplay content, go check out my second channel. Link is in the description 💙