The Malabar Independent Syrian Church (MISC) are following the same FULL Syriac Orthodox traditions (West Syrian Rite) as the Jacobite Church, Indian Orthodox Church and Malankara Catholic Church are using. All the prayers and traditions. Thankfully, they did not accept the Anglican doctrine (aka "reformation") like the marthoma denomination did.
When Marthoma church claims they are rejecting pagan/unBiblical practices from Orthodox, do they claim the Thozhiyur Sabha is following pagan/unBiblical practice?
@@historyby501 no it seems like mutual convenience. Marthoma gets a link to an Orthodox Apostolic lineage with no requirements. MISC gets out of isolation
@@CC-td7si തൊഴിയൂർ സഭയുടെ കാട്ടുമങ്ങാട്ട് മെത്രാച്ചന് ശരിയായ മെത്രാൻ പട്ടം കിട്ടിയെന്ന് മലങ്കര മാർത്തോമ്മാ സുറിയാനി സഭ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നു. അതുകൊണ്ടാണ് പത്താം മാർത്തോമാ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയുടെ സ്ഥാനാഭിഷേകത്തിന് തൊഴിയൂർ സഭയുടെ സഹായം അഭ്യർത്ഥിച്ചത്. പതിമൂന്നാം മാർത്തോമ്മാ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയായ മാത്യൂസ് മാർ അത്താനാസിയോസ് മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയാണ് മാർ കൂറിലോസ് നാലാമൻ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയെ തൊഴിയൂർ സഭയ്ക്ക് വാഴിച്ചത്. അതുകൊണ്ട് ഈ ബന്ധം സൗകര്യാർത്ഥം തുടങ്ങിയതല്ല, പിന്നെയോ പൂർവ്വപിതാക്കന്മാർ കാണിച്ചുതന്ന മാതൃക പിന്തുടരുന്നതെയുള്ളൂ.
@@historyby501 I thought even today, the Marthoma church teaches that Orthodox and Catholics are following unbiblical practice and Abraham Malpan followed the bible and rid of all these things. Yet, they didn't rid them in the MISC and Marthoma says nothing.
@@CC-td7si Mar Thoma church follows and teaches the biblical faith. No change in it😄. Basis of Relationship with MISC doesn't mean they left biblical faith.
God's eternal word- Holy Bible says clearly in Romans 1:25 , that we are not to incorporate idolatry along with worship of true God . Original Greek text of Romans 1:25 clearly reads that revered and offer divine service to the creation "besides" the Creator . In many translations it is wrongly translated as revered and offer divine service to the creation "rather" than the Creator. When you use "rather" instead of the actual word "besides" it looks like you can worship other idols along with the true God , but it is ok if you worship God more. Notice that we mankind should have been much more careful when translating or copying God's eternal word - Holy Bible. The same thing is what God commanded Israelites through Moses in His very First Commandment in Exodus 20:3-5- "You shall have no other gods before me. 4"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, That is what happened to ancient Israel - they worshiped God along with idols like Baal and Asherah. Same happened to those who claimed to follow Lord Jesus Christ - Christians. After few centuries in early 4th century AD Roman emperor Constantine converted to Christian faith and till about 425 AD Roman church abstained from idolatry and stayed true to God's eternal Holy Word - Holy Bible. But after that Roman government changed names of old idols to christian names ( venus goddes became Mary) and started to pray to them and venerate them which became the catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints. They also changed solar mass in veneration of sun God of december 25th to Christ mass, when scriptures clearly show Lord Jesus Christ was actually born in sometime in September. Roman government did this for their political consolidation . They though that by imposing this new christian pagan religion as the only religion of roman empire they can have unlimited power and money. But reality is they may have had some power and money on this earth admist God's severe judgement even on this earth and eternal hell fire judgement after their death. In borders of Roman empire like Turkey, Syria etc. some Christians alligned with this new catholic - christian pagan religion of Roman empire leaving the true Christian Assyrian / Chaldean Church of East that abstained from this idolary. They were initially called as jacobites in 450 AD ( as recorded in chronicles of Church of East ) . But after that by about 9th century AD , these Jacobites changed their name to Orthodox claiming vainly that they where the true church as catholics also vainly claim. Thus this incorporation of worship of creations like saints/Mary by praying and venerating to them along with worship of the living God almighty is similar to ancient Israelite idolatry of Baal and Asherah along with worship of the living God almighty. In Romans 1:25 clearly says we are not to incorporate idolatry along with worship of true living almighty God . Original Greek text of Romans 1:25 clearly reads that revered and offer divine service to the creation "besides" the Creator. In many translations it is wrongly translated as revered and offer divine service to the creation "rather" than the Creator". When you use "rather" instead of the actual word "besides" it looks like you can worship other idols along with the true God , but it is ok if you worship God more. Notice that we mankind should have been much more careful when translating or copying God's eternal word - Holy Bible. also since soundcheck2k7 is very afraid of the truth and reality of my replies he/she deletes my replies and comments from public view, I post my reply to him/her here- @soundcheck2k7 - I exposed the falsity of your rebuttal when you said Marthoma Church is a part of the Anglican communion, when I just posted a link from the Anglican communion website - www.anglicancommunion.org/structures/member-churches.aspx - the above link shows that the marthoma church is not among the 41 churches that forms the anglican communion and only CSI and CNI churches are a part of Anglican Communion from India. You posted a link from anglo communion website which claims to have some similarity with Marthoma Church when in the same website anglo communion claims to have similarities with old catholic sect by their idolatrous heretic practice of intercession/veneration of saints which some anglo catholics of anglican communion follows along with catholic/orthodox idolatrous heretic sects. The theology that Abraham Malpan and all Christians for last 2000 years along with early Apostles were to restore the God's Assembly / Church to the God given Apostolic standards as given in - God's Eternal Word - Holy Bible . You claim to be of jacobite sect when you yourself donot know the reality that Jacobite sect left the Global Catholic Church of East in AD 450 to follow the idolatrous lie of intercession/veneration conieved by MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH as written in Revelation 17:5, which is identified as Rome (As revelead in Revelation 17:9-11 and Daniel 9:26 .). Your jacobite idolatrous sect also tried vainly to call yourself "orthodox" in later centuries when in reality your are only a slave of catholic idolatrous heretic sect that sends all who practice its idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints and lies to eternal hell fire as God almighty clearly warns all mankind in Revelation 21:8 - God's Eternal Word - Holy Bible. You sit here and attack other churches and their theology, but when I asked you which denomination you're a part of, you won't reveal. Maybe it's because you're embarrassed and you yourself are not sure if you are understanding doctrine correctly? Don't be a coward, tell us which denomination you belong to! Stop being a coward. For more understanding please read the Holy Bible - God's Eternal Word and also read the study aid for Holy Bible link given in the about section of this profile.
Orthodox claim of Apostolic lineage is a heretic (schismatic) idolatrous lie just like the catholic claim of Apostolic lineage. Both catholic/orthodox sects are newer sects that broke of from the true Church - God's Holy Church - Church of East at about 430 AD, when the Roman government after about accepting God's Church for about 100 years from Constantines conversion, decided to use Christianity for its selfish power consolidation by using many pagan to Christian transmutations so that many pagans in the roman empire can be attracted to this new religion which eventually came to be called roman catholicism. These pagan to Christian transmutations included Solar Mass of December 25th to 'Christ' mass, changing of Venus goddes fertility festival of spring to Easter and Good friday (friday was dedicated to venus goddess) , thus vainly trying to change the reality that Lord Jesus Christ was crucified and died on a passover day (wednesday) and rose from dead after 3 nights and 3 days as prophet Jonah was inside the belly of whale for 3 nights and 3 days. Those at fringes of Roman empire also fell for this idolatrous corruption and initially broke from true God's Church - Church of East as Jacobite sect which later came to be called eastern orthodox sects. True lineage of all Christian churches from Apostolic God's Church include only Christian groups that refrained from this idolatrous corruption by Roman government at about AD 430 and they form a continous unbroken chain of succession from the true original Apostolic God's Church for the last 2000 years , and they are - Church of East, Malankara Christians, Donatists, Early roman Catholics, Anabaptists, Paulicians, Bogomils, Molokans, Cathars, Waldensians and finally Protestants/ Evangelicals (non feminist - as those who promote homosexuality, female pastors/bishops , lack of head covering of women while prophesying and praying and immodest dressing of women are misled by feminist lies which corrupted christianity in last 50 to 100 years). Catholic,orthodox,anglo catholic and some protestant idolaters (by idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints which amounts to idolatry according to Exodus 20:3-5, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 10:7-21, Revelation 9:20) and sexually immoral people ( those who promote homosexuality, female pastors/bishops , lack of head covering of women while prophesying and praying and immodest dressing of women are misled by feminist lies in about last 50 to 100 years) trust in their own fairy tale retardations when God's Eternal Word clearly says in Revelation 21:8 that idolaters and sexually immoral people will be thrown into eternal lake of fire and sulphur which is the second death. Lord Jesus Christ clearly warned us to fear God who has the power to sent our souls to eternal hell - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:4-5. May God bless all to come out of this idolatry, lies and sexual immorality and trust in Lord Jesus Christ so that they will have eternal life.
@@KM-leons I only said the true history of God's Holy Assembly and Christianity. All the Churches that i have mentioned that abstained from catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints are the only true successors of the Church that Lord Jesus Christ founded. So why are you spreading lies by promoting catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints that blasphemes the almighty living God and the holy name of Lord Jesus Christ . All idolaters and liars will be sent to eternal hell fire along with other sinners - Revelation 21:8.
@@rokin02 I said "None of the churches you mentioned above are true successors of the Church Jesus founded.....". You replied "Why are you spreading lies by promoting catholic/ orthodox...." Where did I promote Catholics / Orthodox or their idolatry?
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മലങ്കര മാർത്തോമ്മാ സുറിയാനി സഭ മലബാർ സ്വതന്ത്ര സുറിയാനി സഭ ബന്ധം നീണാൾ വാഴട്ടെ
@@agorbogytr13 താൻ ആരാണ് 🙄 തോഴിയൂർ സഭ മലങ്കര മാർത്തോമ്മാ സുറിയാനി സഭയ്ക്ക് നൽകിയ സഹായം കാരണം
@@A_M_T_02_08 Can you write in english??
@@agorbogytr13 Due to the assistance given by the Thozhiyoor Syrian Church to the Malankara Mar Thoma Syrian Church
@@A_M_T_02_08 How many types of christanity there is??
@@agorbogytr13 Do you mean how many churches are there in Malankara?
കാലന്ധ്യത്തോളം ഇരു സഭകളും ഒരുമിച്ചു നിൽക്കട്ടെ.
Neezhal vazhatte Misc Thozhiyoor & marthoma saba
From thozhiyoor
Greetings from malankara marthoma suriyani sabha
Neenal Vazhuka Mar Thoma Suriyani-Malabar Suriyani Sabhakal🥰
Csi, മാർത്തോമാ തമ്മിലുള്ള വ്യത്യാസം എന്താ
The Malabar Independent Syrian Church (MISC) are following the same FULL Syriac Orthodox traditions (West Syrian Rite) as the Jacobite Church, Indian Orthodox Church and Malankara Catholic Church are using. All the prayers and traditions.
Thankfully, they did not accept the Anglican doctrine (aka "reformation") like the marthoma denomination did.
Yes.
When Marthoma church claims they are rejecting pagan/unBiblical practices from Orthodox, do they claim the Thozhiyur Sabha is following pagan/unBiblical practice?
I think it is clear from video that christian love and witness is the basis of Mar Thoma- Thozhiyoor relation.
@@historyby501 no it seems like mutual convenience. Marthoma gets a link to an Orthodox Apostolic lineage with no requirements. MISC gets out of isolation
@@CC-td7si തൊഴിയൂർ സഭയുടെ കാട്ടുമങ്ങാട്ട് മെത്രാച്ചന് ശരിയായ മെത്രാൻ പട്ടം കിട്ടിയെന്ന് മലങ്കര മാർത്തോമ്മാ സുറിയാനി സഭ വിശ്വസിക്കുന്നു. അതുകൊണ്ടാണ് പത്താം മാർത്തോമാ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയുടെ സ്ഥാനാഭിഷേകത്തിന് തൊഴിയൂർ സഭയുടെ സഹായം അഭ്യർത്ഥിച്ചത്. പതിമൂന്നാം മാർത്തോമ്മാ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയായ മാത്യൂസ് മാർ അത്താനാസിയോസ് മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയാണ് മാർ കൂറിലോസ് നാലാമൻ മെത്രാപ്പോലീത്തയെ തൊഴിയൂർ സഭയ്ക്ക് വാഴിച്ചത്. അതുകൊണ്ട് ഈ ബന്ധം സൗകര്യാർത്ഥം തുടങ്ങിയതല്ല, പിന്നെയോ പൂർവ്വപിതാക്കന്മാർ കാണിച്ചുതന്ന മാതൃക പിന്തുടരുന്നതെയുള്ളൂ.
@@historyby501 I thought even today, the Marthoma church teaches that Orthodox and Catholics are following unbiblical practice and Abraham Malpan followed the bible and rid of all these things. Yet, they didn't rid them in the MISC and Marthoma says nothing.
@@CC-td7si Mar Thoma church follows and teaches the biblical faith. No change in it😄. Basis of Relationship with MISC doesn't mean they left biblical faith.
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This should be the approach of Episcopal Sabha.Not like Antioch Sabha.Once a Bishop is Consercated, that Sabha should be under Antioch.
God's eternal word- Holy Bible says clearly in Romans 1:25 , that we are not to incorporate idolatry along with worship of true God . Original Greek text of Romans 1:25 clearly reads that revered and offer divine service to the creation "besides" the Creator . In many translations it is wrongly translated as revered and offer divine service to the creation "rather" than the Creator. When you use "rather" instead of the actual word "besides" it looks like you can worship other idols along with the true God , but it is ok if you worship God more. Notice that we mankind should have been much more careful when translating or copying God's eternal word - Holy Bible.
The same thing is what God commanded Israelites through Moses in His very First Commandment in Exodus 20:3-5- "You shall have no other gods before me. 4"You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
That is what happened to ancient Israel - they worshiped God along with idols like Baal and Asherah. Same happened to those who claimed to follow Lord Jesus Christ - Christians. After few centuries in early 4th century AD Roman emperor Constantine converted to Christian faith and till about 425 AD Roman church abstained from idolatry and stayed true to God's eternal Holy Word - Holy Bible.
But after that Roman government changed names of old idols to christian names ( venus goddes became Mary) and started to pray to them and venerate them which became the catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints. They also changed solar mass in veneration of sun God of december 25th to Christ mass, when scriptures clearly show Lord Jesus Christ was actually born in sometime in September. Roman government did this for their political consolidation . They though that by imposing this new christian pagan religion as the only religion of roman empire they can have unlimited power and money. But reality is they may have had some power and money on this earth admist God's severe judgement even on this earth and eternal hell fire judgement after their death. In borders of Roman empire like Turkey, Syria etc. some Christians alligned with this new catholic - christian pagan religion of Roman empire leaving the true Christian Assyrian / Chaldean Church of East that abstained from this idolary. They were initially called as jacobites in 450 AD ( as recorded in chronicles of Church of East ) . But after that by about 9th century AD , these Jacobites changed their name to Orthodox claiming vainly that they where the true church as catholics also vainly claim.
Thus this incorporation of worship of creations like saints/Mary by praying and venerating to them along with worship of the living God almighty is similar to ancient Israelite idolatry of Baal and Asherah along with worship of the living God almighty. In Romans 1:25 clearly says we are not to incorporate idolatry along with worship of true living almighty God . Original Greek text of Romans 1:25 clearly reads that revered and offer divine service to the creation "besides" the Creator. In many translations it is wrongly translated as revered and offer divine service to the creation "rather" than the Creator". When you use "rather" instead of the actual word "besides" it looks like you can worship other idols along with the true God , but it is ok if you worship God more. Notice that we mankind should have been much more careful when translating or copying God's eternal word - Holy Bible.
also since soundcheck2k7 is very afraid of the truth and reality of my replies he/she deletes my replies and comments from public view, I post my reply to him/her here- @soundcheck2k7 - I exposed the falsity of your rebuttal when you said Marthoma Church is a part of the Anglican communion, when I just posted a link from the Anglican communion website - www.anglicancommunion.org/structures/member-churches.aspx
- the above link shows that the marthoma church is not among the 41 churches that forms the anglican communion and only CSI and CNI churches are a part of Anglican Communion from India.
You posted a link from anglo communion website which claims to have some similarity with Marthoma Church when in the same website anglo communion claims to have similarities with old catholic sect by their idolatrous heretic practice of intercession/veneration of saints which some anglo catholics of anglican communion follows along with catholic/orthodox idolatrous heretic sects.
The theology that Abraham Malpan and all Christians for last 2000 years along with early Apostles were to restore the God's Assembly / Church to the God given Apostolic standards as given in - God's Eternal Word - Holy Bible .
You claim to be of jacobite sect when you yourself donot know the reality that Jacobite sect left the Global Catholic Church of East in AD 450 to follow the idolatrous lie of intercession/veneration conieved by MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH as written in Revelation 17:5, which is identified as Rome (As revelead in Revelation 17:9-11 and Daniel 9:26 .). Your jacobite idolatrous sect also tried vainly to call yourself "orthodox" in later centuries when in reality your are only a slave of catholic idolatrous heretic sect that sends all who practice its idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints and lies to eternal hell fire as God almighty clearly warns all mankind in Revelation 21:8 - God's Eternal Word - Holy Bible.
You sit here and attack other churches and their theology, but when I asked you which denomination you're a part of, you won't reveal. Maybe it's because you're embarrassed and you yourself are not sure if you are understanding doctrine correctly?
Don't be a coward, tell us which denomination you belong to! Stop being a coward.
For more understanding please read the Holy Bible - God's Eternal Word and also read the study aid for Holy Bible link given in the about section of this profile.
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If Marthoma Church is Syrian Then Why are They Using Reformation Protestant Ideas And Why They Have Relation With Other Syrian Churches .
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But satheya veshvasom independent syrian chruch Malabar oreykallom nashtapadeytheylla
That is correct. They didn't get the influence from the Anglican Missionaries.
Orthodox claim of Apostolic lineage is a heretic (schismatic) idolatrous lie just like the catholic claim of Apostolic lineage. Both catholic/orthodox sects are newer sects that broke of from the true Church - God's Holy Church - Church of East at about 430 AD, when the Roman government after about accepting God's Church for about 100 years from Constantines conversion, decided to use Christianity for its selfish power consolidation by using many pagan to Christian transmutations so that many pagans in the roman empire can be attracted to this new religion which eventually came to be called roman catholicism.
These pagan to Christian transmutations included Solar Mass of December 25th to 'Christ' mass, changing of Venus goddes fertility festival of spring to Easter and Good friday (friday was dedicated to venus goddess) , thus vainly trying to change the reality that Lord Jesus Christ was crucified and died on a passover day (wednesday) and rose from dead after 3 nights and 3 days as prophet Jonah was inside the belly of whale for 3 nights and 3 days. Those at fringes of Roman empire also fell for this idolatrous corruption and initially broke from true God's Church - Church of East as Jacobite sect which later came to be called eastern orthodox sects.
True lineage of all Christian churches from Apostolic God's Church include only Christian groups that refrained from this idolatrous corruption by Roman government at about AD 430 and they form a continous unbroken chain of succession from the true original Apostolic God's Church for the last 2000 years , and they are - Church of East, Malankara Christians, Donatists, Early roman Catholics, Anabaptists, Paulicians, Bogomils, Molokans, Cathars, Waldensians and finally Protestants/ Evangelicals (non feminist - as those who promote homosexuality, female pastors/bishops , lack of head covering of women while prophesying and praying and immodest dressing of women are misled by feminist lies which corrupted christianity in last 50 to 100 years).
Catholic,orthodox,anglo catholic and some protestant idolaters (by idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints which amounts to idolatry according to Exodus 20:3-5, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 10:7-21, Revelation 9:20) and sexually immoral people ( those who promote homosexuality, female pastors/bishops , lack of head covering of women while prophesying and praying and immodest dressing of women are misled by feminist lies in about last 50 to 100 years) trust in their own fairy tale retardations when God's Eternal Word clearly says in Revelation 21:8 that idolaters and sexually immoral people will be thrown into eternal lake of fire and sulphur which is the second death.
Lord Jesus Christ clearly warned us to fear God who has the power to sent our souls to eternal hell - Matthew 10:28, Luke 12:4-5. May God bless all to come out of this idolatry, lies and sexual immorality and trust in Lord Jesus Christ so that they will have eternal life.
@@rokin02 None of the churches you mentioned above are true successors of the Church Jesus founded. Why are you spreading lies?
@@KM-leons I only said the true history of God's Holy Assembly and Christianity. All the Churches that i have mentioned that abstained from catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints are the only true successors of the Church that Lord Jesus Christ founded. So why are you spreading lies by promoting catholic/orthodox idolatry of intercession/veneration of saints that blasphemes the almighty living God and the holy name of Lord Jesus Christ . All idolaters and liars will be sent to eternal hell fire along with other sinners - Revelation 21:8.
@@rokin02 I said "None of the churches you mentioned above are true successors of the Church Jesus founded.....".
You replied "Why are you spreading lies by promoting catholic/ orthodox...."
Where did I promote Catholics / Orthodox or their idolatry?
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