Gil's Arena Debates What Makes An NBA MVP
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- Gil's Arena Debates What Makes An NBA MVP as Gilbert Arenas and the Gil's Arena Crew argue who is more deserving for the NBA's Most Valuable Player award - the best player on the best team or the most dominant player in the league? They discuss the historic races between former legends like Kobe Bryant, Steve Nash, LeBron James, Russell Westbrook, Joel Embiid and Nikola Jokic that set the mark for what makes an NBA MVP.
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“You’re an MVP candidate, by being an MVP candidate.”
Rashad Mccan’t argue for shit
he is not smart
@@user-wj4km9pd4v lol can’t even hurl insults just say point-blank that he’s not smart. Hilarious
3:39 he’s right on this point though. Doesn’t matter if Dirk was averaging 24 points or if it was 34.
Rashad the type of dude that no matter how many different ways you explain it to him he's not gonna get it
Half the media is repeating the best scorer on the team with the best record should automatically get the MVP award. And no voting doesn't even have to happen. I don't really blame Rashad of not questioning that. I'm impressed Gil is able to do that. One of his few smart views.
@@penkima4923 yeah, I get why Rashad gets clowned in the comments at times, but he actually had some decent arguments
Gil either you better peep the scenario
Gil is wrong
Rashad is the “smart dumb Ngga” Katt Williams was talking about
He ain't very smart.
*Minus the smart.
There simply is no set standard for what an MVP is. The reason for this is because the MVP discussion is a great way to create content throughout every NBA Season. Because the media ultimately decides the winner of the award, they value the narrative around whoever wins it. This helps the various pundits continue to make money every year. If the MVP always went to the best player on the best team or the player with the most amazing stats, there wouldn't be a need for a discussion, and thus that would devalue the MVP award and the discussion surrounding it.
This
Preach
Big agree. Also i believe up until Miami’s Big3, the MVP could most likely usually be *thee* best player on *thee* best team because they probably had to fight uphill like most teams. At best, there were dynamic duos, but most teams had a general spread of players with one star. That star, if there team made the top 3, would most likely be MVP and (also) Champion.
Convinced McCant just doesn’t like to be wrong… MVP stands for most valuable player, not Best player on best team.
Polarization is the reason he’s still on this show, cuz he does nothing but lower the enjoyment and credibility of it. But maybe they keep him cuz he represents the ideals of goofy people and they can correct such goofy ideas in real time without having to use the comments to do it
Yea like dude have he not seen the NBA for years? It's really make my neck rotate to 360
yeah most valuable not best, McCants is actually taking the orthodox stance, for most of NBA history it always went to the best player on the best team, they only started changing it up about 5 years ago, we need to go back to the old definition
Thank gawd for the mad Capper 😅 character.
I mean that’s the precedent Mvps historically come from top 4 teams in the NBA best player.
He said “we got Bootyhole Brown!” 😂😂😂
MVP should be judged like the Heisman Trophy. Whoever is the most dynamic player that year is the MVP
Im that’s how it’s voted on now. It’s why Russ, Harden, and one of Giannis’ happened when they weren’t necessarily the best player in the planet.
@@samuelpembertonand Steve Nash the year he won over Kobe And LeBron
Heisman voting has more to do with your team than your individual achievements.
@Hiiizenburg42 Where did you get that from? There's many winners whose teams lost 3 or 4 games for the season. And we know 3 losses is a mediocre season. Robert Griffin the lll team was 9-3 and lost the last two games of the year yet he still won the honors. Stop saying anything like it can't be looked up
In McCants logic Lebron was robbed of like 8 or 9 MVPs in a row😂
Yes, he’s right most valuable players should go to the best person in the league because they do have finals MVP as well. That can go to the best player on the best team.
hey needed this comment during the show. McCant was talking about MVP finals (win the champion ship) and Gil was targeting the MVP of the league.
McCant was tricked because Gil and himself wasn't able to distinguish these two awards.
Really cleaver of you ! Cheers ! 🥂👌🏾
That might be the MVP comment for this one. Didn’t even think of that!
If that was the case, then MJ would have won every MVP from 1990 to 1993, and then 1996 to 1998. Making him an 8x MVP
*Clever* firstly and if it was like that Jordan and Lebron would both have MORE mvps so not so cut and dry bro. @@spectershore4482
@@QuestionEverything562couldn't agree more
Rashad had me weak 😂, he couldn’t believe what Gil was saying
He up there high as shit. He ain't understanding much. Lol
Facts 😂
Rashad thinks he's right all the time
He do be right sometimes tho
@@king-ghost1027 the Dunning Kruger effect.
“We gettin bootyhole brown, no thank you!!” 🤣🤣🤣
I'm kinda with Gill on this, Jayson Tatum is not close to the player Luka, Giannis or Jokic but he's always in the discussion because he's on a very good team.
Why is Tatum not close to Luka?
Tatum are on those guys level talent wise they just fill up the sheets more
Tatum doesn't hog the ball as much. Tatum is on Luka's level when you factor in defense. Tatum's 2nd best player is Brown, and that man can't even go left.
@@SeddyPooh I agree. I just can't agree with the not close to Luka party because unlike the other guys he named; at least they attempt to play defense or play at high level on both sides of court. Luka hasn't shown that yet honestly.
@@QuestionEverything562 Exactly. We could argue Luka can sometimes be a detriment to his team because he dominates the ball so much. He has the same problem as AI. We praise AI for doing more with "less" but the truth is they couldn't put offensive players around him because he doesn't function well on that kind of team. They HAD to build a team of hustlers, rebounders, and defenders because that's the only way they could win with AI.
Winning has always been a huge part of the mvp race. If you top 3 or 4 in your conference, got good numbers, fit whatever narrative, etc you got a good shot at winning it.
As it should be. The whole goal is to win. It's a team game.
i get it man .. but it’s “MOST VALUABLE PLAYER” not most valuable team… Its not the team but the player
That's how it is now!
@@markusflores8610 lt's actually MOST VALUABLE PLAYER TO HIS TEAM!
@@boomshakalaka8567if it’s a team game stop giving individual awards. Harden won MVP over Bron & literally loss every individual stat to LeBron
People always try to make this a one scenario award. It's not. Sometimes it's the best player on the best team (Dirk in 2007), sometimes it's the person with the most outrageous stats (Russ in 2017) and sometimes it's because of a good narrative (Jokic in 2021 with his 2nd/3rd best teammates out).
Jokic not only had the narrative. The had the best stats the past 3 years. He should have won last year also.
@@leonardoyi3183maybe but he shouldnt have won the year before last🤷🏾♂️
You just mentioned a few outliers. For the most part it goes to the person who has most impact on their teams success
Except historically it has gone to the best player on a top 2 seed. There are not more instances of any other criteria than that. Sometimes somebody has such an outstanding season that they don’t have to be that high a seed, but how many guys have won MVP that weren’t top 5? Only guys who had generational seasons don’t have to be a top seed. Everyone else did
@@ZhyonFlowers jokic should have won the MVP the past 3 seasons. Performance and impact all goes to jokic.
Gil killed him wit the Jordan Poole point. Ya done mccants.
Not true if the team already isn't great then there isn't much value with that so-called "MVP."
It’s about who is carrying their team and making the most difference scoring is an aspect
BJ is the most relatable with his reactions.
Which one is BJ?
@@Vikings-zr6drright side
Just say Brandon please
Lmao "BJ" 😂
Damn we cant say BJ? The pause/ayo game is growing tiresome. People thinking about male on male sex WAY too much. Also BJ hardly adds to the show at times. Satnds on silly takes too often.
Gilbert was dominating the NBA, was number one or two in MVP voting and had the wizards with the number one seed in the Eastern conference..(yea, the wizards…think about that). after the All-Star break he got hurt and the wizards slipped to the 8th seed and got crushed by Lebron and Cleveland in the playoffs. After cooking Kobe Bryant on multiple occasions I think it’s safe to say that Gilbert was probably the best offensive player in the world at the time of his injury.. would he have one MVP? Probably, he had the votes in the playoff race heading into the All-Star break, his team was winning, and his team took a major slide without him. Maybe he saying thats the real definition of an MVP
It’s really simple u have to put great numbers and be at least top 3 in the standings, but for u to win it in the 8/6 position u have to be putting Stupid numbers or be doing something legendary like Westbrook triple doble season or average 35 and dragged you team to the playoff
Exactly
Kobe avg 35 ppg on 45% and leading his Lakers to 45 wins isn't enough to put him over a dude leading the league in assists and winning 50+ wins without his 2nd best player in Amare Stoudamire. Nash led basically every efficiency metric while leading his Suns past Kobe in the playoffs, despite Kobe's much bigger squad having a crippling 3-1 series lead on the Suns.
They got PG and Melo the very next year and only won one more game. That's when we started to question if Russ's stats were even valuable cause he averaged triple double again that year and they only won one more game and got bounced out of the 1st round all the same.
@@QuestionEverything562 except that Amare wasn't even CLOSE to being the only other good player on that PHX team W/Nash. Shawn Marion, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Tim Thomas (my 3rd favorite player @ that time--i watched him since he played at Villanova)... that team had a LOT of talent.
You called the lakers the bigger team... you do know, don't you, that the bigs you refer to are super-mediocre Chris Mihm & megabust & stonehands supreme Kwame Brown (seriously, guy could NOT catch a pass...cost Kobe SO MANY TOs & missed assists bc of his fumbling dimes out of bounds every game). Also: rookie Andrew Bynum (he was still sorry at this point, 1.6 pts per game), Ronny Turiaf, Brian Cook...
OH, can't forget Slava Medvedenko. So yeah, those guys are tall, but they SUCKED. I'D MUCH rather have Nash's teammates. Marion was a stud, scoring like 22 a game + 12 rebounds. You know, very Amare-like numbers except more rebounds and better defense.
Plus Smush freaking Parker as starting PG.
ONLY other talented Laker alongside Kobe was Lamar Odom & his 14.8 ppg, 9 rebs. & 5.5 assists.
@@ignoblesavage5559 Funny how you didn't mention the best big of that whole series until the very end, Lamar Odom. Odom avg 19 ppg and 11 rpg in that series, that's better than any Suns big man. Marion is an undersized SF that they put at PF because that's how bad they were missing bigs. Tim Thomas never played like a real big. He played like an athletic wingman who preferred to shoot threes over playing in the paint. You should know that. Also, the Lakers got 77 off rebounds to the Suns 40 off rebounds. It's hard to win when you get fewer possessions on offense. Why did your boy quit in game 7? Where was that die-hard, never give up Mamba Mentality?
I agree whoever doing the most work and is a top 5 seed
“we thought we was gettin nicki minaj… and we got SEXXYYY REDD”🤣
Contribution to winning is valuable
Gil smart for having McCant on here lowkey lol he knows he riles up feathers and makes the conversation more interesting to listen too.
Lies. Only unintelligent people like listen to other unintelligent people. That’s like asking a nasa engineer to listen to a flat earther who barely got out of high school. He has mccants on here for people like you.
They walk in into the show and ask. “So who u gonna say dumb sht today.”
Mccants hand 🤚 every time
I agree and disagree...cuz if you NICE like that, your prescense should give you Ws which is a team stat...but the russ example encapsulates the individual aspect of what an MVP should be...but it should be half and half in my opinion
Eh not really if jokic is on the wizards they don’t just magically become a 50 win team
I would bet that they do actually hit 50-50ish if you put him at center
@@darylvondutch6096yeah, I could do a lot adding Jokic to Kuzma, Poole, & Shamet. Jokic is THAT GOOD.
@@ignoblesavage5559 you’re not winning 50 games with that team the nuggets won 53 games last year with a way better team
MVP has different criteria to each individual,it’s a vote not everyone picks the same player it’s just majority rule
@10:09_gil-"u gone give Jordan Poole a gr8ness shirt."I 😂😂😂😂🤝🏾🤣🤣🤣
And this is why Tim Duncan never won many MVP awards.
This arguments really solidifies his case. Tim Duncan recognize as the best power forward yet not MVP cause he does not have great numbers while carrying manu and Parker.
They been consistent in playoff as a trio that his greatness had clumping his case. 5/6 winrate in the championship yet he is considered not in the top 3 in GOAT conversation is really sick.
He has two MVPS? That more and than SHAQ and Kobe
so he is best just because he win a lot?because he played with good team and coach...kg have same stats like td+kg was better rebounder and defender
@@ziginaigrawho cares about your numbers if you don’t win.
@@ziginaigra my guy, the spurs had David Robinson for years and couldn’t win anything. First year Pop coached the team was terrible, they drafted Tim and then they started winning.
Winning 2 MVPs is kind of a lot compared to most lol.
BJ, Gil, and Shad had me rolling!
Gil's logic on Nash was flawed. If Kobe MVP because the team trash Nash should be MVP because they lost Amare and were predicted to be trash
I agree with Gil, I’ve been saying this for years! (MVP is individual)
It's difficult to point whether stats or team. But my idea of the mvp should come from the votes of the coaches and the best players of each team. Each one gets to vote the best player on their team and the player giving them nightmares every match. Tally those and the one on top should be the MVP
Funny thing is they both kind of right lol . To Gils point , if you playing lights out dropping 30s and 40s just to keep your team above water , or to survive , you're an mvp, like Steph right now. If he doesn't play how he's playing the warriors definitely gone finish dead last etc , and on the other hand , to Rashads point, someone like Giannis , who is the best player on one of the best team, definitely should be mvp
“We getting bootyhole brown, I thought we was getting a superstar” 🤣😂🤣 🤦♂️
Both team success and individual consistency both go into consideration. Can’t take one without the other.
There’s lots of nuance to consider. Players with crazy stats that don’t translate into wins may be considered empty stats. And also, players on mediocre to bad teams with inflated stats could also be a direct result of just way higher usage because there’s nobody else on the squad. It’s all circumstantial imo
See what I mean….dude just compared a 4-20 Wizards team with Poole that’s averaging 17 to a Warriors team 11-14 with Curry averaging 30 this man is crazy 😂
He's lost
My view is it's a combination of both. Great numbers, top 3-5 team
I agree with McCant because I think Gil is undervaluing the ability to galvanize your team. Kobe 35ppg no mvp Kobe 28ppg mvp
All of this discussion comes from how undefined what an MVP actually is. It’s not just the best player because some of the candidates basically only really come alive in the playoffs, but the award is supposed to be for the regular season. It’s a whole bunch of things, but i call it, how transformative is the players contribution? Jokic post bubble when Murray was out before all the other pieces got there or returned from injury is a good example but many others have won because they way over achieved in comparison to expectations. The basic, good stats bad team players rarely get consideration and that’s probably a good thing.
You can stat pad like crazy on a sorry team so there are merits for both perspectives. We aren’t winning…so imma get mine mentality.
Especially when the other team starts rotating in 3rd stringers bc they are blowing you out.
It really depends. The eye test rains supreme with MVP.
8:24 is exactly why I hate the rules for MVP and Allstar, they move the goalpost when Trae Young is involved.
the best stats player with defense and 50 winning team is must be the criteria for season mvp. they must be playoff mvp too, finals mvp and overall mvp the criteria is you must be in top 3 to all mvp award this kind of award will determine whis the best player every season
The NBA regular season MVP award is always supposed to go to the player that has the "best season" We can all argue what that means, but you have to start there. Sometimes the player having the best overall season is on the best team, sometimes they aren't.
Agreed That’s really what it comes down to it’s not that complicated lol.
this is like the goat debate!!! people wanna bring up championships and playoff records like its not a team game. like whos the better hooper
That's a dim way to look at the NBA MVP award. Keep your street ball mentality on the streets.
Virgina Wizards was crazy
It doesn't have to be one extreme or the other. The mvp should significantly enhance your team but it doesn't have to be the BEST or even one of the best few teams
Also averaging 25 pts on a bad team is different than averaging 25 on a team playing for keeps
1st of all there is no way to take decide. It's based off both. Value does equal winning and putting up big numbers on a bad team is not the same as putting up big numbers on a winning team. Kevin love was doing everything on a losing team and was never in the convo. There are soo many examples of this. Winning is a part of it and individual stats is also a part of it.
MVP is a elite effort as a player the entire year to help your team win. It’s a player award. Not team. A player winning on a team is other pieces not just himself.
MVP SHOULD ALWAYS be
1. The Most Valuable Player to an Organization
2. Whose play reflects in the Team’s success across the league
The MVP award is subjective, everybody has their own opinion on how it should be awarded. Gil, Dirk averaged 24 ppg in the era where that was actually pretty high for that time. So I’m not sure wtf you were talking about.
Gil Got The Fleece Johnson Beanie On 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Someone have to score even in bad teams. All stat are not created equal
Gil constantly contradicts himself but im convinced its for views and engagement at this point so respect he knows what he doing
Some of Gil's logic is valid in terms of the breakdown of talent per team.
McCants: we gotta have a talk first 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣y'all gotta talk to get the shirt, just say I ain't one of them ones😭😭😭😭💀💀💀💀
Honestly a lot of MVPs can be off the eye test which would usually be a top 3 seed guy not best player on best team.
Are we saying Donovan Mitchell should've been MVP few years ago because of their record???
That boy Mccant chopped asab😭 forgot to put the eyes drops in
0:58 facts. Same thing shaq said. Normally the mvp went to the best player who also had a high seeding in their conference. Rose is a great example .
That was the narrative 13 years ago bro times changed since then it’s about impact on the game and stats now
@@SaintLaurentWan yeah but is that a good thing? Stats don’t tell the whole story. A lot of these high accumulating stat guys get they asses whooped every year in the playoffs. Like it’s not even a deep run, so how impactful are they really? Or are they just on wack teams with green lights from the coach to rack up empty numbers ?
How do you measure value?
MVP should be about winning, but also making everybody else around you better
No and no. Making everybody else better, doesn't even mean anything. You said it, because you really don't have anything to say.
@@penkima4923So MVP isn’t about making your teammates better?
@@user-lt1fx2he5s No, it's not. Because it's not a real thing an MVP can do on the court. It's just filler words used by people like you, who have nothing to say.
Unfortunately, this is going to be a never ending debate because it depends on the players in the league to me. There are certain guys in the NBA who have cases for being the MVP every year no matter what anybody else is doing. Etc, Jordan , LeBron, Shaq. I think the media finds reasons not to give it to the obvious choice because then theres no debate necessary and less money to be made. The criteria for MVP switches every year. They said LeBron was in a weak conference and dominated it so they gave it to James Harden. Then Giannis dominated the East won it, while an older LeBron went to the West, got the number one seed and eventually won the NBA chip. Same case with Harden and his MVP. Got it for being the best player in a tougher conference. But when LeBron did it, in the west, nohting. Same with Jordan, loosing MVP's to Robinson, Barkley and Malone. Shaq lost two to Nash even though we all know Shaq is better. This is so subjective and fluid that its really a broken discussion at this point.
True
I don't even know what a mpv is no more😵💫
Your value shouldn't go down for having great teammates around you. Being extremely valuable while your team is winning should mean more. Not my fault your team has scrubs and you have to average 30/13/10 just to make the play-in. That's a GM problem. I can't control who my teammates are.
MVP is always to fit a narrative, it's likely to be Jokic this year and it's not that he doesn't deserve it but he wont get it because he deserves it, he'll get it because he's one of the best AND because he didn't get it last year.
The NBA needs an offensive player of the year award, it would totally rewrite the MVP conversation
Gil is describing what it should be, McCant is talking about what it is ..
Yes there it is...
Best team is not the most valuable team. Conversation should have been over right there, don't know how the convo even moves past that assertion...
Being the most valuable player should coincide with your team winning. The only way a player with the 4th , 5th or lower seed should get mvp is if he’s doing something historical. ( Russ Westbrook trip dub year)
Lol Gil looking like a gta character
Some episodes Rashan McCants just sounds crazy
To even start the conversation of MVP, first that player has to be the MVP of the team. If removed, team sucks, that means said player is MOST VALUABLE. WHO EVER IS THE MOST VALUABLE TO THEIR TEAM THEY ARE THE TRUE MVP OF THE LEAGUE.....
IF YOUR TEAM IS GOOD WITHOUT YOU, YOU ARE NOT THE MVP, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE BEST PLAYER ON THE TEAM.
I think it depends a lot on the narrative of the nba that year. Imo it should be the best player in the league that year, but that’s not always how it’s given out
I think being a playoff team should DEFINITELY be a pre-requisite. Can't be the most valuable player in the lesgue if you can't atleast get your team to the playoffs. I think your stats and overall value should be considered.
@@Sikwidit Luka and the Mavs didn't make the playoffs last season, and Luka played a better regular season last year than this year. It's very hard to claim Luka wasn't deserving of MVP-votes last season, without being a hater.
@penkima4923 he didn't. Basketball is a sport where 1 player can make a HUGE difference unlike football. Missing the playoffs should be an automatic disqualifier unless your stats are just absurd and historic. No superstar is valuable if they can't get their team to the playoffs.
@@Sikwidit Last season the Mavs won 30 % of games without Luka, and won 50 % with Luka. He was one of the Most Valuable Players in the league, if not the most valuable.
Mccants still got that same exact mindset that led to a lackluster career 20 years ago. Lmao.
Word. I remember Steve nash having amare 25 and 10 , Marion 21 and 11 , 2 and 2 😂 w grant hill easy 16 to 18 ppg
Let’s go Gil keep it real 23 24 🐐
Rashad be saying anything
Why don’t ppl get that the MVP isn’t just one set criteria and it varies depending on the season….
One year it will be best player on best team, next year best overall stats, next year player with the least amount of help….
If it was simply best player on best team then in 2021 eithe Rudy Gobert or Donovan Mitchell would’ve won MVP when Jazz won 52 games
McCants has big Disco Inferno vibes
Sexy Red's album was fire tho
Best player could be the scoring champion every season if you mean by stats alone.
But, MVP is the best player that carries you to winning.
Don’t have to be the best team but also can’t be on a bad team.
How valuable are you if the team sucks?
Gil, speak on it my ninja speak on it
I think the 25 pts argument is dumb because there are other parts to the game you can improve in. Paul Pierce improved on def when he had the big three and before rondo was also there leader in assists you could avg 25 multiple seasons get better pieces and become better in other areas
I agree and disagree with GA. Winning matters. It's harder to go from the 60th percentile to the 95th than from the 25th to the 75th percentile. It's called the most valuable player. But GA over-emphasizes points and solo play.
At this point I think Rashad onboard for comic relief 🤣1:23
Correct Logic THAT SHOULD BE SAID to Gil Arenas is🤓:
#1 Miami was OUT OF 4 playerswhen Bron left.Any time a franchise with the top 10 eVER in his prime to play leaves an organization WITHOUT that organization replacing him with a comparable player will see a worse record.ESPECIALLY IF three of that organization’s other ALL Stars don't play that year.Replace Bron with Durant when Bron left, and see where Miami would have placed then.
#2 A Franchise player on a sorry team will get the ball 10x more than he would if he had to share the ball with 2 Relevant Superstars.EVERY FranchiseAll Star that plays with 2 more ALL-STars sees either his numbers drop or one of those other 2AllStars number drop (Kevin Love, Chris Bosh, Ray Allen every time 3 all stars join), so of course that means your numbers increase when you DON't have 2 other RELEVANTAll Stars on your team.Thus, the reason you have to have at least a winning record to get MVP and NOT just good numbers
**BRON FANS forget conveniently that when Bron left Miami Chris Bosh was injured for almost 40 games AND RAY ALLEN retired and didn’t play at all, and Wade was a shell of himself hobbling through injuries.Bron left, Chris Bosh played half a season, Ray Allenbasically left,& Wade played on one leg.That’s the logic that should be used.
INCORRECT Logic that Gil is saying is this:#1 A player that is averaging a triple double and going full speed on a sorry team must be the best player or MVP if his numbers validate that compared with players on good
#2 Once a Lebron leaves Miami Heat it is proof that he is the MVP if that team’s record plummets to a bottom team when it was a top seed when he was on it?
**Reason 76ers improved without Harden is bc Harden was the only one that left (instead of 4 players), and Embiid is the one playing at a high level with a Tyrese Maxey whom everyone knew was a star who was taking a backseat to Harden.
I think both of these takes have to be combined to be “right”, being on a good team shouldn’t take someone out of the running to be MVP and being the best player on the best team shouldn’t automatically make you MVp
How bout both
Amar'e was key to those teams. I forgot that he missed that 06 season. Nash did well.
But Steve Nash whooped Kobe in the playoffs two years in a row, one of those years without Amare. He was impacting his team more than Kobe was. Nash was the more impactful MVP calibre player at that time. Amare, Raja, Marion, Diaw, and Barbossa's numbers all increased to their career highs when Nash arrived. Kobe was nowhere near an MVP from 2005 to 2007.
Kobe team was trash AF
@@oscarford5688 Take Nash off the 06' Suns, they don't make the playoffs either. Your team was up 3-1, you guys weren't trash. Kobe choked in G7 by quitting.
@@QuestionEverything562Kobe had Smush Parker and Kwame Brown in his starting lineup the Suns without Nash is clearly superior to the Lakers without Kobe it's not even close who had to do the most with the least
@@ajfelton2262 Remember guys named Lamar Odom and Luke Walton? Luke Walton was a stud in that series. Made the big steal on Nash in G4 to help Kobe take that right leaning fadeaway ftw.
@@QuestionEverything562 I also remember guys like Odom and Kwame Brown in game 6 where Kobe dropped 50 not grabbing one freaking defensive rebound that led to Tim Thomas game tying 3 going OT which could have ended the series right then and there
I mean if your on a last place team you can jack up shots but on a winning team averaging 25 is not bad at all...
What about when Chris Paul changes teams? OKC, SUNS, Clippers when he was added to those teams
It's really simple. It's the all star/all NBA player with the highest value over replacement in the league.
I’m convinced Mccant is there just for shock value when he talks
MVP criteria change every year
I think they are both right to an extent.
Mvp should be narrative based. Whoever tells the better story should be rewarded. Assuming their stats are within a certain range from whoever is leading the stat categories that year. That said, given how much media coverage is given to teams like lakers when they lose vs nuggets when they win, you can't trust the media to promote the best narrative, only the one that will make them the most money.
The fact that mvp isn't for best player is why I don't care about the reward. Some reporters decided subjectively this player was more valuable than the rest. Nothing consistent about it
MVP should just be give to who seems to be the best player. The dude you would draft first for one season if the whole league was redrafted. It sucks a guy like Booker can’t get in the convo cause he has KD on his team even though he could play insanely well, arguable the best anyone plays. Not saying he should be in the convo this year it’s just an example. Kinda same for Tatum
Curry is like Poole right now is the wildest statement to come from Rashad
MVP trophy shouldn't go to the best player in the league. It should go to the player who had the best season. Sounds similar but its not the same. Winning should be about the impact a player has on his team, that's why i think looking at some non traditional stats is imperative. PER, True shooting, Winshares, BPM, Value over replacement, Plus minus (on and on/off), are very good statistics to evaluate the performance and the impact a player has on winning. These stats are not perfect, and sometimes, one may disagree on something. But you take for example luka Doncic. His raw stats looks very good. 32.3ppg, 9.1apg, 8.1rpg, 48%FG, 38%3FG and 79% free throw. Most of his advanced stats looks very good, but he aint leading 1 of those. Besides that, theres one statistics that doesn't look very good and is extremely important. Plus Minus. Despite luka great numbers, his on plus minus is just +2.2 points per 100 possesions. That means his team is winning his minutes by +2.2 points per 100 possesions. That aint anywhere near mvp numbers. Worse than that is his on/off plus minus. He is +0.4 points per 100 possesions. That means that his team is 0.4 points per 100 possesions better when he is on the floor. In other words, his team plays almost the same with or without him. His impact is almost non existent. Jokic for example, this season, has a on plus minus of +10.7. His team is winning his minutes by 10.7 points per 100 possesions. His on/off plus minus is +20.2. That means his team is 20.2 points per 100 possesions better when he is on the floor. That's MVP impact.