The Car That Sank on the Andrea Doria
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- čas přidán 19. 09. 2019
- The Italian liner Andrea Doria was considered by many to be a floating art gallery, filled with priceless paintings and sculptures for first-class passengers to enjoy. But down in the cargo hold, there was another piece of art-a $100,000 concept car made by Chrysler.
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1956 Chrysler commercial: • VINTAGE 1956 COMMERCIA...
Wishes on Wheels - Chrysler Forward Look: • Wishes on Wheels - Chr...
Auto Show - Chrysler Forward Look: • Auto Show - Chrysler F...
Deep-Sixed Dream Car - Chrysler Norseman: www.hemmings.com/blog/article...
The stunning 1956 Chrysler Norseman cantilevered-roof show car: www.allpar.com/cars/concepts/...
Chrysler Norseman Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysle...
Virgil Exner: www.autonews.com/article/2018...
New York Times (FRIDAY, JULY 27, 1956, P. 9): nyti.ms/2NQ406Q
New York Times (SUNDAY, AUGUST 5, 1956, P. 31): nyti.ms/2HNIU5f
New York Times (SUNDAY, MAY 8, 1955, P. 1) nyti.ms/30WebdG
I'm a long time scholar of the "Andrea Doria" and very much interested in the story of the lost "Norseman". Some say it was constructed of stainless steel, others say aluminum. If aluminum, then yes, it is completely lost forever. If stainless, there might be significant pieces, but relics only, of the automobile remaining. The "Doria" is fatiguing and the hull is crushing down upon itself. I'd expect the cargo hold to likewise, be compacting as the bow settles further into the ocean bed.
You've made a fascinating video. Quite well done.
Thank you, that encourages me to keep making these types of videos, which I plan to next year! Yes, it's such an interesting story to me, how Chrysler seemed to take it as a sign that perhaps the car shouldn't be made after all. It's possible the car was smashed to bits in the collision, as the garage was in the impact zone. Whatever the story may be, the Norseman indeed had a fascinating ending.
Underwater explorer David Bright reportedly did find the remains of the Norseman while diving the wreck in 1994 according to an article I read. Sadly no pictures. He said that the only way he identified it was the whitewall tires since the rest of it was an indistinguishable rusted mess.
@@StunningHistory The roof design was incorporated into the 1965/66 Dodge Charger. American Motors picked up the design and used on the AMC Marlin
@@Sn0ws519 There should be an attempt to somehow salvage it or pieces of it or just get pictures of it.
Yeah, it's a unique car. They can build the same again for sure. This time make the car out of high strength alloy Aluminum. Electric engine. The same exact replica interior of the 1956 fastback. Remains of of the 1966 Fastback Charger. The torque configurations of a electric engine with unique 1956 retro "iconic" interior would be a nice "throwback" of simpler times. Unfortunately, we are not living I them. Sadly, our world has become broken with this post Pandemic era. It has made people bitter, angry, sullen, and driven for self gain only.
Start a new concept, the all new 20222 Chrysler Norseman, With 1956 styling fastback car that is economically priced at $34,000.00 Brand New all electric Chrysler fastback Iconic electric car 2022, with 1956 interior features. Come join Chrysler, with Italian designing.
Definitely see the '66 Charger in the roofline and rear window. All was not lost.
Also the semi-fastback roof on the '61 Plymouth Fury.
I also see an AMC Marlin .
I can hear George Costanza now: "Not only do Andrea Doria survivors get preference for apartments, NOW they get a parking spot!!"
"George is getting frustrated!" :D
"New from Chrysler, a parking spot"
The Andria Doria was the first ship to have three swimming pools.And all three are still filled with water.
@Gappie Al Kebabi ... For me, a whole lot more money potential in chips than ships.
And a live aquarium
@Gappie Al Kebabi Potato Chips or Silicon Chips?
😂😂😂😂
Donnie, I don't know which ship was first to have three pools. Nevertheless, your comment is funny and appreciated.
The designer of the Norseman was a man by the name of Bill Brownlie. He later went on to design the 1966-67 Dodge Charger, which has a very similar roofline to that of the Norseman.
I always thought that the roofline closely resembled that of the AMC Marlin.
Looks like a Marlin roofline to me.
@@CarsandCats From the side it looks more like a Marlin, with the curved rear, side windows. But from the rear, the roof looks more like a first gen Charger since it doesn't taper off towards the truck like the Marlin.
I guess we'll have to settle for the Charger, also one of my favorite cars.
@@midnight4109 but here its said that Virgil Exner designed the car.....
What I loved about the older cars was that I could tell one from another. Each company had its own little differences that you'd be able to tell a Chrysler from a GM from a Ford. Now I couldn't tell cars apart to save my life.
I remember the fins on the cars back then. My mum owned a gorgeous 1961 DeVille, black with silver upholstery. I remember how much fun we had when Mum would take it on the freeway with the top down. Once another car hit it and while the Caddy was more or less totalled my mum was safe. She was told that had it been almost any other car she probably would have been killed. That car was a tank--a right proper beasties of a car. That was a wonderful era now sadly gone forever.
The car was discovered in 1994 but by then only the wheels were recognizable :(
That honestly makes me sad :(
source for this claim? all info online says it was never found. i dont think its true it was ever found. its likely dissolved away long before the 90s
@@user-cf6te2ug2gbruh. The car is probably just an engine and transmission now from the water and any moving bit on the car would be locked in place
@@metallicarabbit if other comments are true, David Bright saw it, but noted that the only distinguishable part were the whitewalled tires. The rest was a pile of rusting metal.
@@thefrenchcommander5770 same:(
I remember seeing photos taken by a diver many years ago, wasn’t much left except for the stainless steel.
no, they never found it.
speaking of sunken ships with cars on them, I've heard that somewhere on the Great Lakes is a sunken freighter loaded with about 200 brand new early 1930s DeSotos. I wonder, being in fresh water if anything has survived. I've seen in magazines about recovering aircraft sunk in northern Canadian lakes that where the part that was underwater was pristine due to the lack of oxygen while the part above water was corroded. Fascinating stuff!
No replies. Too bad. Maybe the people who generated this video will look into it.
Any voyage must have started in Detroit area. That’s pretty far North. This would be fascinating because the car bodies could be in good shape. And the engine block, even the suspension and certainly the bumpers . Thanks for the vision. 👨🏽🦰
I've seen a photo of a 1927 Chevy preserved at the bottom. The Great Lakes are very deep and very, very, very cold, which is awesome for preserving shipwrecks and their cargo! There are plenty of wrecks down there that had cars on their manifest, although getting to them and bringing them to the surface is probably another story. One of the biggest problems on the Great Lakes in terms of preservation is the presence of the invasive Zebra Mussel. Not only do they obscure everything they grow on, but a study has suggested that a mini-environment occurs between the mussel and the surface it's on that's filled with iron-degrading bacteria!
@@adelaidejones2346 I've seen that 27 Chevy on the deck of a boat. At Schreiber, Ontario is a big Canadian Pacific rail yard just on the shore of Lake Superior. In the water is a locomotive that went off the rails in the 1920s. it's way down there and intact but too difficult to retrieve. I don't think zebra mussels have gotten to it. Not yet, anyway.
What is really fascinating for me are the aircraft sunk in Northern lakes that have little or no oxygen. Aircraft have been recovered from such lakes, restored and flown again. About 20 years ago a Lockheed P-38 was recovered from 200 feet of snow and ice in Greenland. The location of it was known as 5 of them belly landed in pretty much the same spot due to running out of fuel. One was recovered and aside from the damage it took while landing was found to be in pristine condition! It was restored mechanically but not cosmetically and flies today with the name of "Glacier Girl." Awesome, I say!
Jay Leno would lead an expedition to find them if he knew about them.
Lol
The Norseman sure has some slick lines.
Well the car definitely loves the sea like a true norseman.
It is now at one with the ocean.
Shame it was destroyed...
I would've loved to see it in some museum or at pebble beach
Indeed, that's a great way to look at it! Though perhaps its unique history and untimely fate is what has made it so alluring all these years.
I wasn't even aware there was a car aboard on the ANDREA DORIA. It was a beautiful car too.
FACT: There are more cars on luxury liners than there are luxury liners in automobile showrooms.
The sea was angry that day my friends. Like an old man returning soup to a deli.
By gum I said that I wanted my soup fresh made and hot instead all I got was cold broth! 🍜
My parents had their honeymoon on the Adrea Doria not long before she sunk. They had a steam trunk filled with tourist stuff from the ship but unfortuanately it was left in a damp shed and got ruined over time.
So glad they had the opportunity to sail on her!
They've had more than enough time, money, specs and skilled craftsmen to replicate it, but chose not to.
Yeah, that's what Bothers me.
I live down the road from the Guild,the people that built the Bugatti.I would like to see them tackle it
Coulda been what sunk the ship... wonder what ..bet it was chevy
It's a concept car. They rarely get past a concept before they're recycled anyways. This probably saved them a step.
@@angusowens2411 It was a Mopar, should be no surprise there.
Mopar = no car.
It was a good looking car too.
Thank you for sharing this great story. By the way, it was the Stockholm that collided with the Andrea Doria!
Fortunately, nobody went down alive when the Andrea Doria sank. Everyone who was not killed outright or mortally injured in the collision was rescued. A few people on the Stockholm also lost their lives. One girl went to sleep in her cabin on the Andre Doria and woke up on the bow of the Stockholm with only superficial injuries.
I have a 1/43 scale of this Car!!
Where did you get it I want 1
@@alexbaker9967 nowadays the internet they aren't made anymore.
Sell it to chrysler to build another full size one !
Display it in a fish tank!
2:22 Go ahead, be dubious..but that was a cantilevered design roof that, yes, held up 8x the veh. weight.
Architecture is an amazing thing :) It literally tied the roof from front through the back and down to the frame.
Awesome stuff, to be sure.
Luv the old US Car Ads far more entertaining than modern day ones trying to sell you a " Plug in featureless Clone Slab " , pity they never had the thought to photograph the Norseman's loading or seeing it in the hold , thanks for posting this as I never knew about this Car .
Great story, I knew of it, but thank you for bringing it to light again!
Terrible loss, ...... the ship, and the motor car!
Again, a very informative and well done video. Keep up the good work.
Dude that Norseman is so beautiful
I have been terrified of the thought of ever being on the ocean in any type or size of boat or ship, my entire life, but oddly enough have always been fascinated with shipwrecks and of course the famous ones like Titanic. As a kid I would check out books from the library about it and other shipwrecks. I remember reading about the Andrea Doria collision with the Stockholm , years later I saw footage of the actual final moments of the ship on some documentary program. I'm not sure why I've always been so enthrolled with it, just the thought or sight of it always leaves a sick sinking feeling in my stomach. I've also always been a vintage car enthusiasts, and I first read about the fate of the Norseman in a book about vintage cars and dream cars. Enjoyed seeing more of it on this video , thanks!
Thanks, Timothy-glad you found the video informative!
I love Andrea Doria, I also love this channel too! Ur awesome!
Well Chrysler did use the cantilever design and incorporated it into the charger and barracuda in the mid 60s but they also gave the cars a pillars as well to safe guard the roof support
In reality, that omitted a-pillar was badly needed. It may have been the cantilever roof was as safe without the b-pillar as sedans which did have the b-pillar.
This is the first time I've heard this story regarding the sinking of the Andrea Doria. It's a shame that this happened to the car. Great video! Thank you, Ship Geek!
I was so not expecting this video to be soooo good for a channel about ships
VERY cool, cars and boats. Thanks
Great job!
Oh my Zeus!. I am a fan of Andrea Dorian. But I had no idea about this great car. Thank you for educating me.
Thank you for watching, Brent. I’m happy I was able to introduce you to the Norseman. - Sam
As a car and ship geek I enjoyed this video a lot. Thank you! Subscribed...
Welcome aboard!
Very interesting video.
Thank you.
Jeff
Thank you, William!
SHATTERPROOF glass, used on cars since about the 1920s, sandwiched actual glass between 2 layers of plastic. It was made to break into blunt-edged 'pebbles' rather than slash-capable shards.
Me was watching this vid by random and i got it quite impressive , many congrats to the author, the editor and the speaking voice. Althought i`m from far Argentina, i had two conclusions :
1 this was a bad accident in Andrea Doria`s ship who ended the Norseman`s project
2 Anyway the major accident in Chrysler`s history was the DaimlerChrysler`s fusion which immediately killed the Plymouth division , then it was the fate of other wrong decisions in further .
And be sure despite of it i still conisder Mercedes Benz automobiles such a respectable name
WOW, what a story!!
The roof design of the Norseman probably was as good as claimed, after all, cantilevers have been used in bridge design safely for a very great number of years. The reason it hasn't been seen in other vehicles since, let alone production vehicles, is likely to be down to cost and weight constraints making it simply impractical...
Great video, it sounds like science fiction without any pictures to back it up and I will trust your authenticity.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Never knew this cool car.
I remember seeing the news film of the listing Andrea Doria on Boston TV before it sank.
The fast back top reminds me a Marlin
Most hand-built cars, prototype and otherwise, are formed out of aluminum because the pliability of that material lends itself to bending and forming shapes.
Stainless Steel, on the other hand, is difficult to work with and very expensive. Unfortunately, aluminum and salt water don't mix and so, the remains of The Norseman, if any, will be forever entombed in the collapsing hull of the ship.
A very nice story and video never-the-less...Thanx!
Now: cup holders.
Then: writing desk.
Wow, I wish they would remake this prototype. The car looks so beautiful
Interestingly, the artwork at the end shows the car with a metallic green finish (which, incidentally, is how the collector's scale model was rendered).
I remember the sinking; I was in my early teens. My parents had bought a Dallape accordion, which at that time was about $2000.00. A lot of money. The accordion was in the hold, and was never retrieved. Thank heaven the Dallape company in Italy had insured it, so it was replaced by them.
$2000 for an accordion? They could have bought you a baby grand piano or about 10 Fender guitars for that. I would have asked for a new '56 Chevy 210.
so its still at the bottom of the sea?
@@randomrazr Hopefully.
@@s.sestric9929 someone said in comments all thats left are the wheels
Tricky advertising headline. Two hooks, a boat and a progressive car.
How low can you go? To my level ... I 💜 it. Subscribed. ☑️
The other ship involved in the collision, the MS Stockholm is unbelievably still in operation (now as MV Astoria).
Per "Collision Course" by Alvin Moskow, the collision 'transferred a female passenger (in her cabin) from the Andrea Dorea on to the Stockholm. She was found injured in the latter's twisted bow wreckage.
I have a video on that passenger, Linda Morgan: czcams.com/video/gqO5kLh79zY/video.html
@@StunningHistory I've just watched the Linda Morgan vid. Incredible! Understandably, given the limited scope of Moskow's book, it did not provide much about Linda. And the twists and mystery re Mr. Garcia came out of left field!!!
@@hlcepeda Yes, the story about Linda herself is shocking, but the story about her rescuer added a whole new layer of intrigue!
Ironically the Captain of the ship that hit Andrea Doria was a actual Norseman. Was still living in Stockholm about 10 years ago
When I was a kid, a family friend loaned me her copy of 'Collision Course" by Alvin Moscow... an incredibly detailed account of the sinking. It turned out that friend's _neighbor_ had immigrated to the US via the Andrea Dorea; I later got to speak with the neighbor about that. She was in tears, telling me how it brought her here to the US, and how proud Italians were of the ship, especially since its construction and launch followed close to the end of WWII and Italy was still trying to pick itself up. The ship was like their moonshot.
@@hlcepeda sounds a bit like the sunk MS Estonia
Ghia designers in Italy actually invented the tail fin design in much earlier prototypes, from the 1930s Art Deco streamline era.
And as far as American cars... Cadillac started them in '48.
@@darrelljourdan3687 Yeah but GM's fin designs didn't help the aerodynamics of their cars.
I did not know about the Norseman. Thank you for telling this story. Chrysler needs a revival now and much better design and quality control. They could learn a lot from this era if they wanted to make the effort.
Thank you for watching, Mary. Happy you were able to learn about the Norseman.
Chrysler is no better or worse than the other US car manufacturers...that's a fact.
The prrsenter's doubts on roof strength are explained later in the video.
The cantilevered roof was designed for the windshield header to spring up from the body and thin tension rods pulled the forward end of the roof down into position.
I paused the video to see if anyone else corrected him on this. Thank you! :)
The Norseman was a very famous yet obscure car. Note the fastback design that showed up later in the first gen Charger and Barracuda. Back when we could design great cars.
Great lookin ride, the back of which reminds me of the AMC Marlin....
If they ever make a movie about Virgil Exner, Steve Martin is their man.
Perfect casting!
Great vlog! The car that sank the AD I thought would be a Volvo. When you look at the design of the Stockholm, it had an ice certificate. It split the AD in half. It is like a Volvo and a Alfa Romeo. Sorry for my sick humor here.
The Norseman will be in our hearts for eternity !! 🍺
FYI, the tailfin appeared on the 1948 Cadillac and Cadillac lead the way with fins all the way thru 1964. Exner was nearly a decade late to the party.
I always thought the P-38 tail was the influence on the early Caddy and the beginning of the trend.......we had a '51 in Holland in '53.....there were only two in a country full of bicycles .... the queen had one....we had the other......always created a lot of attention.....I was disappointed as I got older and my Dad an AF test pilot told me the fins were useless decoration.......Capt. Mike....SAT
I believe to have read somewhere a long long time ago that there were also some Ferrari's onboard Andrea Doria.
I have enjoyed your videos. Will you be making more? I hope so. I'm fascinated by maritime history, ships in particular.
Thank you for the kind words! Yes, I will make more videos.
@@StunningHistory ... start looking for those Desotos mentioned above. ❕❓What do you do first? Comb Detroit area print media? Check Coast Guard records with an FOA? 🙏Give your fans a clue.
I fell in love with the Forward Look recently. Found a Built in September 1957 Chrysler Saratoga 4DHT, but the love began with 'Christine' a 1958 Plymouth (Belvedere really) but they said it was a Fury well, Fury's never came in Red and White.. oh well its for fun lol I found a 2DHT 57 Belvedere and love it too! Sure sad about this one of a kind baby. :( But we need new Virgil Exner's today so SICK of the pods they keep making! Chevy and Hyundai Kia all look the same!! WHY?! No Imagination anymore?! What gives?!
Globalization y dictadura mundial
That is One SEXY Car! I want one! (I may be biased as I was born in the town of Norseman)
Que carro lindo 👏 eu sou o comentário brasileiro que você procura 👍 abraço Araçatuba SP
2:13. Love the "designers" in wife beaters.
I found this a few years ago, I thought perhaps you'd find it interesting.
Andrea Doria Rescue Memories
"At least an hour after our arrival on the scene, I saw a dim form of a large ship emerging from the darkness and moving quite rapidly in our direction. There were no lights visible other than the required red and white running lights. The red lights being visible indicated that this ship was going between the "Andrea Doria" and the "Thomas." When it got into position,we could feel the vibrations as the huge ship backed down full astern and came to a stop. For a few seconds, this ship remained almost totally dark. Then, all in unison, every light on this ship must have been turned on including a huge sign in lights that read "Ile de France". At the exact same time, every lifeboat began to be lowered and touched the water at precisely the same moment. The fleet of lifeboats then began moving en masse toward the "Andrea Doria." The arrival of the "Ile de France" was like grand theatrical production. The star of the "Andrea Doria" tragedy, she announced her arrival on the scene in a grand way. It was like she was saying, "I am here and all is under control." The majority of the crew and passengers aboard the "Andrea Doria" were rescued by the "Ile de France."---
Memories of the event by Ernest R. Melby, EM1 USN, crew member of the USNS "Private William H. Thomas.
Some of the model variations of the Buick Riviera have a similar look to them as the Norseman
Wow very sad news. Gave you a like also.
Anyone see styling clues that made it into the first Chargers, especially the fastback roof and interior consoles and seating?
The big question is why didnt Chrysler build another? Or never put this into production? It was and still is stunningly beautiful. Could have possibly been a big seller.
I was told that since the Norseman was a concept for specifically for 1956 there was no reason to build another one. Too the time and cost must have been factors. I don't know much about concept cars but my understanding is that such vehicles were not intended for mass production though, as mentioned in the video, some features could have been used elsewhere. I'm agree with about the Chrysler Norseman: it really was "stunningly beautiful".
@@andrewbrendan1579 yes sir. You are correct about concept cars which has never been something i understood about the auto industry. Concept cars are one off cars. But when one looks as beautiful as this car, why not put it into production. Then again, most of what Chrysler built in the 50s and 60s were just a cut above the others in the looks department. (My opinion).
Seems like there's some unwritten rule that the most interesting cars are only allowed to be concept cars. They have to tone down the cars, make them a little more boring, and remove most of the cool innovative features before they can sell them. Tucker tried to actually include all the cool stuff in his production vehicle and look what happened to him.
That was a really nice looking car NGL. it would have been really cool to see those at shows nowadays. In 2021 $ that car would have cost a million dollars BTW. RIP Andrea Doria
My favorite Chrysler, been a bit obsessed. Read all of the links and history of this beautiful vehicle of art
It is a unique-looking car!
How about a video on the retrieving of the statue of 'Andrea Doria' that had to be cut in two in order to get it out of the sunken ship. He was some Italian celebrity. I remember being a kid when it sunk & some of the Massachusetts fishing boats were involved in getting the statue up.
That roofline is close in style to the 67 charger
It's in my book, «Astonishing Tales of the Sea».
The A C pillar is a hyperbolic curve, like an egg shape. As such it would repel forces that otherwise collapse its structure. Try squeezing a raw egg with you hand the geodesic properties of its curve cause it to be very unlikely damages. A 1969 VW Karmann Ghia coupe’ was rolled down a steep Ca. Road by a buddy of mine that couldn’t believe it’s structural rigidity saved his life. The Ghia took on a football shape cocoon w plenty of room for him to survive the rolling crash 150’ down.
If I ever get rich, I'm having an exact replica of this car built, in dark red with a gray and red interior
That’s a bummer I want to see one
The design version of Chrysler cars were tested in a wind tunnel and the fins actually made them more stable. Other companies added them but they didn't actually improve their cars' stability.
The most fascinating part of the Doria is the fact that she was named after a man and the name is ALWAYS pronounced wrong . Its not Andrea with a short A in front . It's more like Andre with an a at the end.
That fact is not exactly a revelation, nor is it fascinating. What's fascinating, is that without the availability of radar and the watch officers' misuse of it, the collision likely would never happened, with the two ships passing safely starboard to starboard.
@@frankmiller95 well, ok then. The definition of the word fascinating is 'extremely interesting '. As for my myself , I find it extremely interesting that almost nobody pronounces the name of this ship correctly. Ships run into each other all the time even with working radar. Btw never said it was a revelation .
Oh wat a sad ending of this amazing looking car. Wish they had built another one.
somewhere there are architectural drawings for the norseman if they were not destroyed. all prototype cars had those and also drawings of what the finished product would appear to be. if a guy had those plans with scale measurements it could be recreated.
Yeah the Norseman who would want to have a car that had one fatal feature on it if someone was to resurrect the car using obtained original drawings then maybe just maybe they could build a museum piece for a car museum.
1956 Chevrolet? Wow wow rare!
well they certainly adopted the hatchback design , as it was the style of the new 1966 Dodge Charger
And the Marlin
not a "hatch"back its a fastback.
Virgil Exner: "Boy golly sure glad that new car I spent 2 years building will be here soon to take my mind off this heart attack I just had."
Mrs. Exner: "Heh, about that car... see here's the thing... the good news is the car is still on board the ship, the bad news is the ship is at the bottom of the ocean."
* Heart monitor goes flatline *
Haha, I know, right? Poor Virgil!
Now, I always thought that the origin of the American tailfin was credited to the 1948 Cadillac, but apparently it was the Norseman 8 years later, lol. Entertaining video, but missing some journalistic research. Like most of my high school term papers. Enjoyed it nonetheless! 👍
Silliest shipwreck ever - Andrea Doria and Stockholm had been tracking each other on RADAR for 24 hours before they collided!
@Evan Hodge Conspiracy is a stretch. How about incompetence?
I always feel the Norseman is down there somewhere because it had an aluminum body. However, if aluminum is against other types of metal, it can go to pieces. However, all the jetliners and fighter planes made of aluminum that are found beneath the ocean, I am relatively sure that car is sort of like a lost treasure that one day someone will find in the wreck off Nantucket because apparently it's not a hard wreck to dive to, shallow as it is compared to ships like the Titanic. But depending on who you look at your information from, it simply vanished in a pile of junk in the hold....
WHAT ENGINE DID IT HAVE??
MY GUESS IT HAD THE HEMI WITH THE TORQUCFLITE TRANSMISSION
I was wondering about that as well. Someone somewhere must know the answer to that question.
331 FirePower with a Powerflite.
@@Mike_Collins392 I REMEMBER THE SINKING ,AND LATER THE LOSS OF THIS CAR! WAS CURIOUS ABOUT IT AT THE TIME!!
HEARD NO FURTHER INFORMATION UNTIL THIS POST!
THX FOR RESPONSE!
how about a program on the Eastland disaster? it's kind of similar to the General Slocum in a way.
I once read an article by someone who almost went aboard the Eastland when he was a boy. The author was going to board the Eastland with his father but the gangplank was a foot above the pier so the father and son didn't get on the ship, thinking that meant they weren't supposed to go aboard. The Eastland had already begun listing. Reading about that raised gangplank and about how close the father and son were to catastrophe is one of the most chilling things I've ever read. I also read an anecdote by a woman whose family was involved with the Eastland, maybe were the owners. As a little girl she had a pass to board the Eastland when she wanted to but there were occasions when it was very windy and she was told by someone on the ship that she wouldn't be allowed on because of the wind. At least some people knew the Eastland was top-heavy and dangerous. I live in a town that has a shopping center or strip mall called Eastland Plaza and I've always been puzzled by that choice of name and wonder if the individual or group that came up with that name knew it was associated with tragedy.
@@andrewbrendan1579 I think that would depend on where you live. I think that in Chicago it would have meaning, anywhere else, probably not. Just a made-up name. I used to live in Poughkeepsie, New York- there was a mall built in the 1970s called South Hills Mall. No one of my acquaintance ever called that part of town South Hills. Just a made-up bullshit name.
The reason the roof was considered to be be so strong, is because it was a cantilever design, that was sprung so tightly, that instead of requiring pillars to hold it up, it instead required stays to hold it down. The idea was that in a rollover, the stays would snap and the sprung roof would not only hold the weight of 8 cars, but could actually flip the car right side up again.
Wow! Well, that certainly is an interesting visual. I wonder how that would have worked in practice. Thank you for the extra info! - Sam
I guess we’ll never know.
This Era of Design & Styling began with these cars in roundabout 1955 & was the going until the 1970. It was the best Era of the Automobile, especially because it had the most ownstanding companies what was full of innovastion, brought out the most optimum Automobile ever or even like it should be and especially because it was the most free market where the buyers of the cars hat to choose what they really want to get....It shows a Market like it should be. Not an suprise that the most people had an safe job with work where they had to be good in craftsmanship and all about that... That wasn´t an Era like yet, or what is the problem yt; only the win maximizing is the goal, and so we see things, really big fails like the Electric Automobile AGAIN, what was canceled because the Otto- & Dieselengine Automobile is the BEST option, the best for an Automobile...And the Electric car yet is the most win maximizing kind of Automobile because it has only a FIX lifespan of 2-max. 5 years. Then you have to buy a whole new car, especially because the massive lithium cells are the so fast aging, most environment dangerous part of it. There you can see that something what is called "environment protection" isn´t the goal...It´s only win maximizing and the buyers will pay for all that junk. But this Era of the Electric car is a short era, because the buyers will recognize how bad they would be scamed with the electric car, FOR SURE... And then we´ll see that the right or even best way to design and build a Automobile/ & kind of Automobile was the Automobile produced between 1955-1970s at USA... And i say that as an Bavarian guy, where you should thinkt that i would say "the german car is the best" or something else like that. But even not me because i´m looking really for the OPTIMUM and best Era of the Automobile....
And when we take a look at the different Bodystiles in that time we see the "4 Door Hardtop" what is an 4 Door Sedan without the B-Pillars between the Doors....What isn´t only so beautyful and amazing, it´s also a real practical design and Styling feauture! Because ou´ve a lot bigger visible areal of sight, especially when you´ve to cross a road or something else, the passive safe has a so high level, because you can see the crossing cars a lot better...And even the beauty of these cars, for example a 1967 Chevy Caprice/Impala 4 Door hardtop / Sport Sedan is one of this Era and Bodystyle. Everybody knows this kind of car from the present TV show called "Supernatural" and "the Big 3" (Ford, Chrysler, GM) had all that bodystyle between the mid 50s - mid 1970s. Then they canceled that design what was one of the biggest fails in my eyes. It was so great to see an new Dodge Charger as a "4 Door Hardtop" again....I´m a Autostylist an Designer and when the big lie of the Electric car is gone, i´ll go back to work, to design, style and build Cars like it should be ;)
And it´s no suprise that i also have to say, that the design of the american V8 engine is THE BEST Engine Design for an Otto-Motor. Because it´s a lot more importand to get a Engine Design lke the american V8, waht has the best design for maximize the lifetime....And even if we would use this design and compare it with the newest knowledge of Materials / Mix Materials, we could get THE PERFECT ENGINE for an Automobile...An Engine what has "a lifespan of a life" whitout to cost any cent more like the engines yet. And that´s possible with the knowledge of mix the different materials/kind of Materials, modern drilling...machinery with the big look in the design for an more easy maintanence/Repair.... THEN we could have the PERFECT ENGINE 4 THE AUTOMOBILE... And that´s an V8.
Today unfortunately, I see and read about far too many less than perfect engines. And between fuel prices and government regulation, the ultimate goal is to make the personal automobile the exception, rather than the rule!
Did the wooden buck at 2:08 or any plans survive...
If the blue prints are still available, someone could build a digital version of the car and the roof claim could possibly be tested.
Weird that the whole thing hinged on this one prototype. They didn't have all the drawings and mock-ups for the car so they could replicate it? If so, why didn't they?
Concept cars are never made with the idea of going into production. Some aspects of them may make it into a production vehicle, but the car it self is no more than an idea of what the manufacturer is capable of making. After GM filed for bankruptcy in 2009, they sold just about all of their older concept vehicles to get some value out of them.
the Norseman ended up in the bottom of the sea as her namesakes!
Are there any pics of the car's remains that are in the ship?
THAT REAR WINDOW LOOKS LIKE MY CHARGERS REAR WINDOW
"Look Tatoo, what they've done to my car..."
Oh my car went down