Why Dune Works (I'm obsessed)
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Hey guys sorry for the long break (as said at the end of my video) I've been away in Sydney for the past month and then all of February the new place I moved into didnt have internet so I've just fixed that, have a few videos ready to go, so excited to bring some life back to this channel again, huge love to all my patreon pals that have kept this going!!
Hey Super Frame! Don’t worry, take all the time you need to do what you need to do. You’re videos are always worth the wait.
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Pls pls make a video of "why rebel moon works".
"The number 1 movie in the world" - Zack Snyder
It would be awesome if we can get a how to make a good x-men movie sequel, the first video was super good. Keep up the good work
Paul was never corrupted by power. The problem was the deaths and other consequences of taking power with zealots. He never became decadent or loss empathy, he made mistakes and was depressed. Did you even read Dune Messiah?!
I wish u would make videos about transformers too but i think u ab to our me on this dune
Dune Messiah just being Paul going "Oh shit" is perfect but I really want to see if they have the guts to go full send on Leto II.
Not even the sci fi channel was brave enough to adapt God Emperor of Dune. They stopped at Children of Dune lol.
I don’t think we’ll ever get beyond a Children adaptation. The later books are just too hard to put on screen. I’d love to be proven wrong however.
I think Messiah will have to be radically changed with Chani's role in the movies. They could even go through route of completely ending with Paul's exile into the desert. ??? I was not too pleased with the removal of the Spacing Guild and the significance of the Spice in these movies... so, just like with every adaptation, things will change.
They won’t be doing Children of Dune, or at least Denis won’t, but I honestly wouldn’t doubt if Denis finds a successor to carry on the 4th movie
its unlikely, but i will point out that the voice at the start of every film is quoting Leto II's journals. Which means the voice might in fact be the big worm himself
@@Cyynapseinteresting point!!
When Paul says "lead them to paradise" at the end still haunts me
Yeah, that was cold. He condemned countless billions to war and death with 4 words.
I had a huge smile!!! Let’s go jihad, lisan algaib!!
@@Usernumber777average fremen
@@charlesw5919 I think that, since taking the water of life, he can now see so far into the future. This means that he sees the jihad as being inevitable no matter what he does, and the jihad actually ends up leading to the golden path. The golden path turns out to be overall better for humanity. I don't think the jihad was preventable at all.
I was there on opening night. I swear the whole theatre cheered, even though they knew the horrid path Paul was on. Chilling! One of the best cinema experiences of my life!
Hans Zimmer deciding to do Dune instead of sticking with Nolan just because he was a fanatic of the story should tell us something. Javier Bardem’s favorite character from the book was Stilgar and you can see he loved acting that character out. Timothée also read the books and you can just see that he gets it. Awesome cast, amazing staff, brilliant execution! It is a 10/10 for me, mainly my bias comes through because I never thought we would get a good adaptation and this blew my mind at how well it was done.
And we still haven't had a good adaptation, I've read all the books a number of times over the years and I don't remember the backward shoe size IQ religious fanatic called Stilgar, there was a character called Stilgar in Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune, but he was a measured wise, intelligent and painfully suspicious Fremen leader who even when he accepted Paul as the messiah was always aware of the danger of Pauls position as a divine ruler. I guess I need to read them again to find this Monty Python-esque Stilger we got in the movie.
In fact it got to the point that when ever Stilgar went weak at the knees talking about the "lisan al gaib" I was expecting Chani to take a break from practicing her constipated pouting to say in her best Terry Jones voice "he's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy".
I can't believe the director who gave us Polytechnique, Incendies, Prisoners, Sicario, and Arrival and who claims to be a fan of the book delivered up this "adaptation". As a movie experience it's a audio and visual treat, as an adaptation of Dune it's a joke and it's not a particularly funny one either.
@@gs8494calm your farm
Womp womp. There will always be changes (aka dumbing down) when adapting such a complex story. Time is limited with movies so turning him into a hypeman is fine to me, to me it makes it more believable that all these fremen start to follow him.
indeed. my father & I have been raving about this series since my childhood, and honestly when word came out they were gonna do a film adaptation it was early 2000's-peter-jackson-does-fellowship again. very very low expectations (being hardcore fans of the books) then were blown away by the faithful(not one-to-one but true to the essence) adaptation of such tricky source material.
TBH, I have a collection of around 300 books of SciFi/fantasy (no joke),and Dune was the only serie I didn't finish or reread. Just because to me Franck Herbert is a poor writer with terrible style. But the ideas are awesome. I prefer the Iron Maiden song To tame a land than the books😅. So Villeneuve's movies look even more awesome to me! It is rare that the critics are... Just right for once
I find it interesting and tragic how the last thing Jessica told Paul before she became the Reverend Mother was to not pursue vengeance.
I think the water of life changed her. She wasn't just Lady Jessica afterwards, she became the Sayyadina.
@@charlesw5919well yes. Paul also isn't Paul anymore. That's the problem, such a train wreck that absolutely devastated me in the movie theater but I can't wait to see how it continues
There's something to be said about naturalistic humour in an otherwise very serious film, and Dune pt 2 nails that - you're laughing at a point of view, not its quippy delivery. I think my favourite example besides this is the dialogue between the two detectives in The Terminator, played by Lance Henriksen and Paul Winfield. No gags, no cheese, just two colleagues having a very organic, dryly funny conversation in an otherwise airless, tense, sci-fi slasher movie. It reminds me of Dune pt 2 because of how sparingly it's used.
I guess the real subversion of expectations is that when you read all the books you come to realize that Paul isn’t even the hero of the story of Dune, it’s another character entirely.
Aquaman saving Dune... the irony
I’ve heard the plan for Messiah is to incorporate parts of the Paul Of Dune novel, which was about the Holy War between the end of Dune and start of Messiah. That way there can be action.
That could be good idea
There might be some children of Dune mixed in there too. Honestly just make it a 3 hour film, it’s what we want. Even in part two you could tell a lot was cut for the sake of time.
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Yeah, a 6 movie Saga could definitely have been a thing, would've been amazing
It doesnt need action.
@@breadordecide I mean it can have a little action lol
As a fan of all of the books… This is the most immersive cinematic experience ever made and a literally perfect adaptation
I’m sorry, but you’re not a fan of the books if you think the movies are a “literally perfect adaptation”…. That hurt my heart to hear lol
@@bekabarboni4956it would be impossible to do a real perfect adaptation as a movie, it would need to be a series to fit it all in, but I think these movies do a great job of being a amazing dune adaptation for the mass normie audience.
@@bekabarboni4956 Jesus christ istg you book people are obnoxious
@@bekabarboni4956 I agree but like, could you realistically hope for anything better?
@@bekabarboni4956 LORT was not a perfect adaptation either but still managed to get 17 oscars and fans world wide, like considering what we see nowdays and what they do with so called adaptations, this was really perfectly made, not word for word, but you could say perfectly.
The story isn’t so much about Paul being corrupted by his foresight or leading people astray. If anything, Paul ultimately FAILS to carry out the only way for humanity because of his inability to lose his compassion. He CAN see the true way forward, he just couldn’t follow through. He isn’t corrupted by the Water of Life, he just sees what needs to be done for the ultimate salvation of humanity, despite the short term tragedies. It’s a personal tragedy for Paul because he’s trapped by it.
...amplified by him being 15 at the time, and not a Fremen born. His cruelty is learned, not inherited.
Leto II is brutal, but in a sense he's the ultimate Fremen. He robbed everyone of freedom to make people choke on "security" and "stability" they once valued so high. He's tragic in his own way, but where Paul was hesitant of letting his loved ones go, Leto II is absolutely driven by necessity and sacrifices everything to make humanity learn his lesson the hard way - his own self being the first thing to go.
Leto 2 is the real chosen one
Hayden Christensen as Paul: "From my point of view, the Atreides are evil!"
I’m so thankful we didn’t have to endure the same type of dialogue that was in the Star Wars prequels, I still love ROTS and how it ties everything together at the end but my god was it a rough ride with that dialogue 😂
Chani, realizing that Paul is just another power-hungry emperor: “Then you are lost!”
Christopher Walken: "I AM the Lansraad."
Duke Leto: "Not yet."
I hope they do the other books justice, this could be the Star Wars of the 2020's.
Star Wars is simple and made for all ages. This is the Star Wars mostly for adults and mature people. Kids won't understand anything going on in the story.
@@handsomeDRAC Then it’s time for kids to grow up, because Star Wars is dead.
@daviddyster4145 Star Wars was killed by Disney. We all know this but the Original Star Wars trilogy is still a good time.
@@daviddyster4145Star Wars has been dead since the 90s. The prequel trilogy is also trash.
@@gruznik2119 I love the prequel trilogy.
Hey, just want to say, I love this video essay. I tried to watch some other essays on Dune and damn man, some people just can't help but literally doing a play-by-play of the movies. "So in the first scene -blah blah blah-, in the second scene -blah blah blah-" They end up just describing the movie instead of actually critiquing the overall themes of it. You've done a really good job here, I can really see the intro-analysis-supporting data-conclusion structure of your video essay. Good job mate.
You just described a majority of CZcams movie essays. They are usually boring retellings of movie events with surface-level commentary.
That is what most 'video essays' do, they just do a play-by-play of the specific content, whether it is a film, a tv show or a videogame. Not a whole lot of people spend time in the video actually critiquing
After seeing Dune 2, i got so obsessed with all the lore (i watched Quinn's Ideas 8 hour recap of the OG novels), and for weeks I felt like everything I was experiencing and learning was through the lens of Dune. It felt like real history or anthropology to me, it was bizarre lol. I think Herbert had such a real understanding of humanity, on an individual and societal level, that the series just wraps you up.
Im also obsessed, watched Dune 2, 3x at the cinema and now vout the book. DUNE 1 SPARKED IT ALL
Welcome to the obsessed club, I remember the first time I read it in 98’ I just couldn’t stop thinking about it. Then came the miniseries and I knew it would dominate my nerd interests from then on. Messiah is when things really start to change with Dune, going from dark to bonkers.. it’s a wild ride if you choose to go down the rabbit hole.
DUNE just gets weirder and weirder until there's dominatrix organization enslaving populations through sex and violence. And a main character that can literally Matrix style slow down time and kung fu kill a building full of people. Bonkers
I loved this movie I’m showing to see it a second time this week! I personally think Messiah could still succeed as a film without having to add a whole lot of action. When GOT was on tv the best and arguably most popular seasons of the show hardly had much for action but audiences were still hooked on the political intrigue and the dialogue between complex and power driven characters so I can see Dune having that same effect
The Spice must Flow...
They don't really have to age up the actors, don't know if I missed it in the movies, but spice melange keeps it's addict.. I mean users youthful, strong, healthy and alive for a very long time(it's literally how the fremen are able to overpower the sardukar), also the bene gesserit can control their bodies to delay or speed up ageing, but a little makeup here and there will suffice.
I'm so glad you found your way out from under the rock to find one of the coolest Scifi stories we have.
I think messiah will divide the fan base just like it did before. alot fans just didnt like paul as a villian and the outcome. Yes dune had parts that was trying to say he was a villian. But there was more good then bad hence why people had there view of it. Messiah was a reaction from herbert and how alotta fans took Dune. As years went on he kinda soften his stance and let people make there own views on it even if he disagreed with most. He stuck to his view and his vision. But he came to like people having conversations on his work and there own views of it.Very talented writer and deep thinker. Very good video and insightful takes. I think they will follow the spirt of messiah for the next movie, yet make a few changes. And they will try really hard to stay true to Herberts vision. But will have to tweak it somewhat also.
I just realized did Dune revert all the hero motif even before the hero motif were popular
Quite literally. Even Paul’s obiwan/Gandalf is a mean witch out to fuck him over rather than the nice kind mentor the heroes journey expects. A head of its time.
Hero motif’s been popular since the first epics ever written
@@krisr4285Yeah, but the reversal of the motif, as OP said. Being leery of messianic figures and the creation of the anti-hero is relatively recent (as in the past century).
@KonaLife or ... was the meta narrative the entire time..
Dune also upends the concept of "Prophecy." The prophecy in Dune is not a true prophecy in the classic sense. Its the result of social and genetic engineering done over thousands of years by the Bene Gesserit.
Keep in mind this "prophecy" has been seeded on multiple planets, into multiple cultures, by the Bene Gesserit, so this "prophecy" will never come true on most of these planets. The only reason it does come true at all is because Paul is the result of thousands of years of bloodline manipulation by the Bene Gesserit, combined with thousands of years of developing human abilities to the point that they seem like magic to outsiders, and then mixed with the power of the Spice to increase human brainpower. Nothing about the prophecy is magic. Everything has a scientific and sociological explanation, because this "prophecy" is political manipulation plain and simple.
How would someone become the kwisatz haderach/messiah if they were not on arrakis? without spice and the water of life. Or was it always planned by the Bene Gesserit for it to be on Arrakis? Then why spread prophecies on different planets? I havent read the books yet but reading your comments sparked this questions in my mind. Is this answered in the books or have i misunderstood something
@@fabianf7408 They spread "prophesies" everywhere, just in case. Or as Princess Irulan wrote in her work Analysis: The Arrakeen Crisis [Private circulation: B.G. file number AR-81088587]) : "The wisdom of seeding the known universe with a prophecy pattern for the protection of B.G. personnel has long been appreciated"
All because jessica gave birth to a boy, by Bene gesserit plan he was never meant to be the one.
@@fabianf7408 The prophecies are spread around the Galaxy so that if any Bene Gesserit winds up stranded on a planet, they can use the religion on the planet to their advantage, to survive.
Like most prophecy, its at its best when its self fulfilling. Paul knows the consequences of his actions since part 1, he just grieves them briefly and is fully willing to fulfill it once he plugs in to the bene geserit ancestry. In the books they dont see the future, they just have really good guesses on the consequences of various scenarios.
Please do a video on how a possible part 3 Dune Messiah will be made. Elements of story structure, main characters present/past, even the visual colour palette like part 1 had a turquoise-grey, part 2 had a red-orange-yellow, and part 3 (maybe) deep blue-grey-yellow highlights? Also, (my own thoughts), part 2 was a straight up adrenaline rush of cinema & storytelling greatness I just wanted the movie to stretch on for just an extra 2 hours; I hope they do a director's cut of a longer version on blu-ray! This movie needs to be remembered for generations!!
"Power attracts the corruptible". It's so true.
I love how everyone is obsessed right now with dune, just as was I when I was like 16 and read that ~900 pages book over a couple of days. Every time I read it and Messiah, something new clicked in my head; it's funny that it also prevented me from enjoying star wars and every other bland SciFi and Fantasy franchise. My guess it that the change on the ending suggests that messiah will be paul's story getting more dark while at the same time showing the Jihad in all it's glorious (and probably action packed, you know, for the enjoyment of the masses) horror, as opposed to the book which puts the events on the aftermath.
Good to see you make full lenth videos again. Hopefully X-Men 2 and EMH are up next
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Denis is right, the last movie he will do should be Dune Messiah as it's full Paul's story, he might slightly change Dune Messish to make it more cinematic, he might develop it by details from other books
Children of Dune is the final wrap up for Paul’s story tho
I think that the third book is a thin book, so that Denis Villeneuve can pack some missing worldbuilding about the Butlerian Jihad, in comparison with Paul's Jihad, and then introduce the guild naviagators, tleilaxians and (maybe) the mentat as a consequence of the machine ban. I really hope that he touches the machine ban, it is a hot topic for today and will be in a couple of years. There is no way that he can make this movie without visiting other books (revisiting the original Dune book) or it will really lack substance.
Imagine knowing 61 billion have to die in order for the rest of humanity to avoid extinction because of the incoming threat thousands of years into the future. Paul wasn't preborn unlike his child who is basically the amalgamation of hundreds of years of his ancestors' ego. What sucks is you can only lead humanity to salvation if you can discard your own humanity. The Great Scattering and instilling fear of a central figure is the only way to prevent humanity's stagnation and extinction.
We'll see how Denis and company handle the apparent major changes they've made to the Chani character, and also which children are present in the next movie(s). I've listened to a lot of discussion about the Dune Messiah and Children books, and so far the story of the Dune movies have veered off this path in a way that could be cause for concern.
Seems all movies are changed from the book..yes it is concerning that changes can make the book story different from what it was general made for the movie..example is 1984 movie .where David Lynch change the Weiding way as a sound weapon when it was actually a Fighting style of the Sisterhood of the Benegeinte ..and the Arkakiss fighting style..as long as the core message of Paul ascending to the Messiah figure is complete than one can say the movie attain legitimacy..
I love dune it’s really awesome and badass.
Denis Villeneuve is the Lisan al Gaib and he has brought us to paradise.
Paradise in Dune, is never ending war.
Always a good day when Mitch makes a post😊
10:18 I don't have much issue with that. I'm not against romance in films however it feels like they happen in film just bc it's some kind of rule that the main character needs to end up in a relationship with someone, even when their stories have nothing to do with this At least in films like Dune (with Paul and Chani) or SW (Anakin and Padme) the romance is important for the story move forward but other cases like Hulk and Natasha in Avenger AoU it comes off as forcefull and uncessary.
It also is noted that when the relationships OP listed turn sour, they end. Padme and Anakin all but break up when Anakin turns to the dark side because Padme cannot stomach what Anakin became, and movie Chani leaves movie Paul when she realizes Paul is effectively another emperor who uses the Fremen. They are relationships, and they are contingent on stuff.
I’d hope it becomes a 6 part series.
Part 3: dune messiah.
Part 4: children of dune.
Parts 5 and 6: God emperor of dune.
But if they aren’t going to even show you how disfigured the navigators are, it’s unlikely they would even attempt to portray Leto II 3500 years into his transformation.
"Power does not corrupt - it attracts the corruptible." - Frank Herbert
"Power does not corrupt, weakness corrupts." - Friedrich Nietzsche
A superb presentation.
I'm also captivated with Dune, there's so much to grasp. Thanks for clarifying some elements I was unsure about.
Dune was Star Wars before Star Wars but better
I am truly obsessed, this must feel like when Star Wars came out back in the 70s
I enjoy watching a well-edited video analysis, so thanks for making this! I do have some counterpoints, though:
1. At 1:31, I'm like 99% confident we are NOT supposed to think Paul's vengeance is a just cause to begin with. The movie has Jessica warn Paul that his father would have valued the billions of lives in collateral damage above getting revenge, and wouldn't be so selfish as to push for war. This is further reinforced by the fact that...
2. At 2:40, the book makes it clear that Paul has the option to live out the rest of his days with his mom and sister amongst the Fremen as equals, without any war needed. In the movie, this seems to be made more vague, but when he tells his mother that "there is a narrow path" he seems to be referring to the paths available once he filters by seeking revenge.
So on the whole, I agree with your analysis, but I think in the books at least, Paul's decision to commit allow genocide for the sake of getting revenge on a handful of people are heavily foreshadowed -- the Atreides family is unflinchingly machiavellian from the start, and they view the Fremen as pawns rather than allies. So in a sense, the books aren't about the terrible consequences of fanatics following compassionate leaders, but rather the consequences of fanaticism and religion blinding the followers from being able to tell the difference between what kind of leader they are following. And Paul happens to not be the good kind.
If Messiah is light on action and heavy on political intrigue, I certainly won't be disappointed. That's the most interesting stuff to me. If you want explosions and fighting, there are thousands of movies that give you that.
Action is what helped makes Part 2 so great tho. And a lot of it is elaborated on in more detail than it was in the books. Hopefully he does the same for Messiah.
Both movies make effective use of action in their story telling, it elevated the tragedy in part 1 and while in part 2 its the triumph of jihad.
Disagree, action like in part 2 is very rare nowadays.
Lads, we are witnessing the birth of a cinema classic.
Great analysis, I've been anticipating Part Two for years now and I'm so glad that's it's doing as well as it as. If Denis decides to continue to helm the series, we could genuinely get the greatest sci fi trilogy of all time.
Same, bro!! I am literally OBSESSED with Dune.
Im watching Dune 2 for the 3rd time this weekend. lol
Cult of personality. Take it all with a grain of sand.
People are always impressed by savior stories. Deep down inside everybody expects a savior, someone to save them from the struggles. It is father syndrome i think, we are like a child who is waiting father to save us from bad guys. Thats why mssiah, savior, the chosen one stories always works
"A great man doesn't seek to lead. He is called to it."
by far the best dune video essay I've seen!
Because of this video, I have subscribed. Loved how you did this dive.
Wow great movie. I’m obsessed too. Star Wars and Stargate junky here, so I have to have the dvd of Dune also.
All the actors preformed brilliantly in their characters. The cinematography is beautiful and so realistic. Paul was thrust into the do or die life caused by the evilness of others to help his new found friends the Fremen. It goes to show that even now in our world that power, corruption, and religion can be the upheaval of all.
There was no "North and South," Just Fremen and Towns people... Chani was Fremen, and Sayyadina. She was the "Desert Spring" to Paul...
Hello Mitch, greetings from Costa Rica. I am so glad that Mr. Villeneuve made the movie adaptation of Dune since it will introduce it to a new generation. I think that, had it not been presented so masterfully, many would have missed the many relevant messages and warnings that Frank Herbert gave us. Of course I have been a die hard fan since 1973, I practically learned English with it. The one thing I am missing is the Butlerian Jihad, an interesting reflection on AI and its danger. In todays context, I think that people should be aware that not all solutions can be found in Technology, and mankind also needs to continue its natural development. Great video, by the way, concise and to the point. Trhanks.
Eh the jihad stuff isn’t the important part
DUNE: PART TWO is exquisite. It will be remembered at OSCAR time!
6:35, i was anticipating the worm sound. why did you stop. Anyways, very neat video essay. Excellent summary of the main point of the movie and book.
This was the best dune review
The number of people who think this is just another hero story is concerning. I have seen so many videos, shorts, and tiktoks talking about how paul is gonna be an awesome leader and how he is a good guy. I genuinely dont know how much more obvious it could have been that this is a warning about chosen ones and messias. A warning about our need for them instead of ditching the consept of a leader and forging our own destiny as a group.
The Fremen possessed the ability to overthrow and hault apice production, but so many of them blindly saught out the comfort of prophecy instead of banding together and doing it themselves, and it was ultimately their downfall as a result as we will see in later movies if the movies continue with Herbert's message
It’s weird how things seem to be repeating themselves again with how it took Herbert publishing Messiah for audiences to understand the deadly consequences of hero worship
Because unfortunately, most people in society weren’t taught to think past a certain level of thinking. They lack the critical thinking skills to look at life beyond what traditional media feeds them. They only want to know and process what they think they should know and process 💡
I instantly became a fan of Dune when i watched part 1, then the david lynch version, then the 2000 miniseries (with children of Dune), then part 2 just last month.
I so love the story of dune. It becomes weirder as it goes, as what many people would say. If i have the same vibe for star wars and lord of the rings, then i would do the same for dune. 😊
Great Dune review
Can’t lie I can’t blame your obsession it was great
brilliant essay!!! Im also obsessed with Dun 2
Welcome brother!
I say they just have the first 3rd of messiah be the holy war and the last of the film be the aftermath leading into the tragedy of Paul and his downfall.
When you said that Dune might be the Star Wars of this generation, I think it is! My father in law was telling us the other day how blown away he was when he saw the first Star Wars at the theatre, how he had never seen something like that before. That was the exact same feeling I had when I went to see Dune Part One at the theatre. It haunted me for months and so is part two!
i love how NOW like RIGHT NOW, everyone is realizing Paul is Darth Vader. Good stuff.
Other than zendaya struggling with her lines it was a perfect movie
I saw this movie yesterday and I can already say it has changed my life.
Thank you for your review and thoughts!
Myself i really love this movie. Went 3 times to the Cinema and i am so obsessed! The actors how they play, the music and also the story. The politics that is going on, also the religion etc. Really love the film, and with Dune as the introduction.. oh boy!😍..
Hope they will make Dune Masaisa 🙌🙏
Finally, someone like me. I'm obsessed!
I dislike when people compare game of thrones and dune. They’re completely different. Only similarity is the houses.
Wonderful job
Genuinely one of the best sequels ever
I'm so glad everyone has come to my view on dune.
I simply like sci-fi, brutalist architecture/design
Honestly Messiah works less as an ending than the original book did, If you do Messiah, not doing Children of Dune feels wrong.
If he ends with Dune Messiah it's ok, Children of Dune is like sequel. Or he can change something in Dune Messiah
@@ultron374 The same as Messiah is a sequel to Dune, but yes he might actually just change the story enough for Messiah to work as a better stopping point, Had I known of Alia change in the story before watching part 2 I would not have agreed, but in execution was well made, Villenueve knows what he is doing.
Best review I've heard.
In 2018 I couldn’t even imagine how Dune would have taken over pop culture. And the memes 🫶🏻
Power corrupts in inverse proportion to the willingness of its wielder to accept responsibility for the consequences of its application.
love that you have a video about why we NEED heroes and Dune is ostensibly about how we DO NOT need heroes and should extremely wary of anyone who looks and talks and acts like one
I think Denis will add some action to the plot
I know it’s really fresh but the 2 combined might just be my favorite science fiction movies of all time. They are that great!!!
lmao
Yeah I'm getting the books for my birthday
I hope the next one will be actually called "Dune Messiah" and not "Dune Part 3".... I just like the title of the book
You have to come back to your X-Men movies fanfic, they are absolute perfection. I'd really love to see you continue that series.
I thought Dune 2 did a masterful job of condensing what they could into under 3 hours of screen time, while making it understandable to non book readers. That in itself is quite an accomplishment.
It would have been nice to show how important and powerful the Spacing Guild is to the series, and yes, they could have kept some of the characters truer to the story. They could have gone into more depth about the Bene Gesserit and the prophecies of the Kwisatz Haderach, but all that takes time.
What Denis Villeneuve most certainly did accomplish is creating a keen interest in the story, which can only be found in the books, for an incredibly large audience. Millions will read the books that would never have considered it before.
I first watched Dune part one 4 months ago so my spoiled ass only had to wait three months for the sequel in the theaters God damn it’s like an artillery strike in the theater 💥💣 want to go see it again. For the third time in theater. God I’m a nerd 😂
Epic to hear a new generation learning the Universe .. ..
Well said, sir. Very much looking forward to seeing where Denis Villeneuve takes the story in Messiah.
Are we not doing the Golden Path anymore?
Yo you see the flash today is the day he vanished in Crisis
Compelling and very well put together. However there is one aspect of this conversation that is being missed in our contemporary, cynical and secular culture, and that is this-that there is truth to such a prophecy, that religion and faith are real (although wholly susceptible to human interpolation and corruption), and that there are divinely destined prophets and messianic leaders who sincerely serve the Transcendent.
In the case of Dune, yes, the Bene Gesserit attempted to produce the "Kwisatz Haderach" precisely so that they could control him-yet what if their machinations in themselves were part of divine destiny, and their concept of such a being did not originate with them, but rather they sought to capitalize upon it for their own gain and supremacy?
Regarding this, for example, we may be able to apply the following verse from the Qur'an: "They plan, and God plans, and God is the best of planners," [Surah al-Anfal].
Perhaps this is why Stilgar says, "I don't care what you believe-I believe!", at some level intuiting that even a fabricated myth is irrelevant in the face of divine will and that the Mahdi is in fact here before them.
In support of this position, he consistently points to "signs," and these even in the film transcend the possibility of plots and plans.
For example, the fact that a tear from Chani "Desert Spring" mixed with the Water of Life would revive Paul and bring him back to the world could not possibly have been planned by the Bene Gesserit or anyone else-the fact that she was born and present precisely when Paul arrives on Arrakis, that he falls in love with her (even having dreams of her even prior to his arrival), and that she plays such a key and pivotal role in the "awakening" of the Mahdi.
Notice also that the Reverand Mothers on Arrakis who although may have originated with the Bene Gesserit seem to have clearly departed from them and themselves become believers in a culture and prophecy that perhaps transcends the order's interpolations and interpretations.
Perhaps even Frank Herbert from what I have seen and read recently was himself a cynic (prior to this I had only read the first book) due to his particular cultural experience and it seems may not himself have believed in authentic prophecy, yet his work nevertheless points to a possibility that transcends even itself, and that they who seek *hope* may yet find it. After all, this was a key aspect of the Mahdi, i.e. to give hope to human beings.
Lastly, hope and faith are equivalent, and the prophecy regarding the Mahdi originates directly with the Prophet Muhammad (saws) who taught that in the latter days when the world would be completely overrun with corruption, tyranny and oppression, a believer would arise to unite they who believe from across the globe in a final "holy war" against an anti-messiah who would be the embodiment of the deception and inversion that then seeks to completely and finally enslave humanity.
This final battle between truth and falsehood, incredibly, takes place in Jerusalem. Judging by what is currently taking place in the region, the parallels are uncanny. Perhaps the fact that a successful adaptation of Dune that would connect with the hearts and minds of millions and our global culture at large finally being made possible at this time specifically-well, let's just say may not be without particular significance.
I believe there is a reason this story connects with something primordial in the hearts of human beings throughout the world, and that it arrives in our culture and on the global stage now specifically. Perhaps the way is being pointed to for they who in their hearts seek and want to hope, who want to believe.
You should read god emperor Dune
We saw it 70mm, OmnIMAX, Dolby, and 4D. Can't wait to see it a 5th time...
I wasn't going to say anthing because I just learned myself, but with how many times Star Wars came up I feel like I had to. Apparently Herbert has been heard saying he had to "try not to sue" over the amount of similar elements. Just look it up 👍
Let’s be real here, the first Dune book doesn’t include all that much action so Villeneuve created a number of scenes in part 1 and 2 to amp this up a little. Could very be easily done for part 3 if that’s what people are worried about. The could also use the princess Irulan chronicling as a story telling device into the past.
Herbert: Here's a cautionary tale about following a leader unquestioningly
Me: God I want a leader like Paul. God I wish for a Messiah
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i like dune 1, but dune 2 makes me love the series, particularly the music. the last 5 minutes was sad and tragic.
"Lead them to paradise" as paul and the fremen descent into genocidal war
Sometimes when I am reading and seeing commentary of this film, I feel like I am watching the crowds going wild at Feyd's birthday celebration / knife fight where the stadium announcer specifically tells the audience that this spectacle is a new form of horror and terror for their pleasure. Granted, the entire presentation is compelling and captivating through technical achievement and the "message" of the film is a warning against the content that most of its characters embrace... but the warning seems to get lost in the overwhelming sights and sounds of the spectacle. The way that eugenics and social darwinism function in this story world is reminiscent of fallacies that added to the conflagration of WWII in our own history... yet it frequently is allowed to pass by the viewer as acceptable and without comment. Are "bloodlines" truly fate in this adaptation of Herbert's world? Are power and revenge the only value in this world?... I don't have answers here, but this adaptation suggests so many frightening possibilities regarding essentialisms, and sometimes I am not sure if the film is questioning them through art in our world, or if it is asserting them. I tend to believe the former, but I am surprised that these questions aren't being addressed more broadly, but I am very glad that you do here. Cheers.
Probably the best subversion of the hero’s journey. Paul isn’t even the hero in this massive story. 😂😂😂
I'd love to see the 3rd chapter, but I believe it doesn't have movie timing for nowadays cinema vs expectations., as it is philosophical and no much action at all. Maybe a step into Children of Dune for a handover from Paul to Leto II as a sand demon could make and set up for the next (just in case!)
Nobody who grew up watching movies before 2000 would think Dune 1 and 2 are good movies.
no one?