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Watch the video where I explained reticle mechanics in details: czcams.com/video/Haor8dUyWx0/video.html
I was laughing so hard on this one !
@skill4ltu, please make a video how point for winning are given!!!! sometimes i get 1 point for winning and lose 12!!! for losing game!!! i win 10 games in a row, score doesn't move...nowhere i found information about this...i just can't reach 4100 for the last 3 months, is always around 4000, please make a video about how is calculated...yeah i blame myself for mys core but still is not ok...i have 5 tanks level 8 and one level 9...i keep switching between them
WG don't say aiming is largely academic since the server and RNG decides where the shell goes not you.
They changed HE to give more even damage rolls is what they said when they changed HE I have never seen so many no damage hits since the changes.....In the same dumb way that deep rifled guns have higher shell velocity where blow-by would lower shell velocity and penetration in reality
@@skill4ltu I think you didn't understand my question or you don't want to understand it., the idea is to play on a completely new account without any direct cooperation with wargaming so that you can understand how it is to play without a preferable rng
BZ-176 has 800 alpha magical HE that penetrates trough spaced armor and tracks.
Since HE rework all HE shells can pen through tracks and spaced armor.
Depends on the amount of spaced armor. For example, a BZ 176 with AP will have no problem damaging a KV-2 while shooting in his track while having only 15% at the same angle with HE. Same against a O-I. 100% chance with AP, but bounce with HE.
It can pen an Is3 turret, NOT FULLY (I received 300dmg per he shot) which is BULLSHIT. It goes against HE rework. @@Hanekin
@@Hanekin It shouldn't, there are simulations proving that a a 125mm HE shell flying towards a 37mm plate and a 10mm+27mm combination will destroy the 37mm plate but not pen the 27mm plate. It seems as if WG made that change for the sheer fact of selling HESH tanks.
@Hanekin not true some HE shells won't even go through some light tanks AND arty that have enough armor
At 6:52 they show that the apcr is slower than the ap shell, but on the slowed clip after it when they shoot at the target, the apcr tank got the kill first XD, well done again WG!
Yes, seems like they messed up the graphics
they also dont mention that some tanks like HWK30 has better shell velocity on HEAT than Apcr lol
it's just a different picture. not like they said it wrong. not a big deal.
@@Jeff-gu6nb The point is, throughout the video they make the point that APCR is faster, then they show an example where it's not.
If they decrease the RNG and tweak the gun handling on most vehicles where you get rewarded for carefully aiming, the game would be a joy to play like years ago !
New crew system will have lots of perks for less rng, finally a good change. But gotta add that the tanks got much more accurate now than they were 10 years ago. I felt great playing my is-3 and isu back in the days while now both of them can hit shit in comparison to other tanks.
Imo the biggest problem is that nowadys everyone fires on the move and hits everything. Sometimes I get so aggressive because I missed my perfectly aimed shot but the EBR hits me while going almost 100 km/h...
I'd like a tweak in the aiming mechanic, so that the longer you aim your shot actually goes in the middle of the reticle and when you don't aim or are on the move, your shot has a way higher propability to hit the outer parts of the reticle.
The second problem is that gun handling overall has become way better on most tanks than it was 10 years ago. 10 years ago, T9 and T10 Patton had godlike Gun Handling - Today it is ok but nothing special. WG needs to realize that less is more and not every Tank needs to be better than the last. And the only way to solve this mess is by starting to nerf all the OP Premium Tanks or change their Tier.
But that's all just my opinion, maybe I'm wrong.
Years ago, if you were in a light tank, for instance t-50-2 or elc or even fv304 before the meganerf, you were smaller and faster than the tanks around you, and could get away with being spotted by swerving to avoid taking too much damage or getting too much knocked out - partly because of shell velocity but also partly because only the smaller guns with lower alpha could shoot enough times and with good enough rng to end up hitting you very often. You might rarely hit anyone as well unless you were circling them, but you had one of the smaller guns with better handling too. Now anyone can fire on the move, and with 1500m/s velocity and low dispersion, their high-alpha gun will probably still hit and knock out your engine or gas, unless you're a car. Or if you try to use some tanks whose weak spots were understandable with worse accuracy, nowadays if the guns don't just penetrate your strongest armor they can snipe your cupola across the map while you're both driving at 50km/h.
Don't forget that damn EBR will probably pen you with HE too
Exactly. The current gameplay of this game is completely fucked up by the shooting.
It's disgusting how WG is relying on community projects for information instead of spending all those loot box earnings on making ingame modules for the players to view them.
Even WoWS has an armor and internal module viewer in the garage. No idea how WoT devs can be so lazy that they won't implement it after 13 years.
@@OlujaDoTokija just my assumption: probably, it is exactly because theres plenty of viewers on the web by now so there isnt really any need anymore. the tomatoes wont look at it anyways to learn something, and everyone who really does want to learn has learned elsewhere (basically every other game) to look for stats, tutorials, strategies, etc online.
@@manuelwie But this would be a really lazy explanation. Also they butchered the tech trees and crew system "to make them more beginner friendly" so it would make sense to add the armor and module viewer in the garage.
WG don't want people to realise how garbage they actually are.
@@manuelwie there arent
EBR doesn't have much armour - but they have a fuck of a lot of tyres.
artillery also doesnt have armor, yet i see them blocking hits more often than they shoot and absorbing shots with tracks
EBR has speed to WG said speed it armor....
EBR literally banishes my ap shells to shadow realm.
i heard not having an anime avatar and not watching anime improves your rng
@@soldier22881 I don't watch anime but on the avatar topic i agree.
Skieeel AT 7 has a pew pew autoloader that can also put on gun rammer
"Lights tanks have no armour" and then we see EBR .... you shoot EBR 3x straight in the tracks and does nothing LOL
Last time that happen in my game. Tier 8 EBR bounced 4 times when he had like 100hp or so. He bounced even HE shell.
Then he won game basicaly alone.. tragic
Technically the wheels are not "armor", even though they function like it.
I hit an EBR six times with my progetto. I gave it two nasty flat tires. Wow bet you the EBR was pissed. He had to get out his bicycle patch kit to repair it .
That's not true. They changed the wheels years ago so they dont bounce jack shit. Get battle hits mods, you will see that you hit the tanks wheels but not the tanks hull behind as ebrs are a small target and weird shape, while the wheels are way bigger.
@@tank9432 We dont play the same game then....
WarGaming says ;
'If you do not know where the internal modules of the tank was, we do not know either'
I havent laugh so damn hard in a very long time at WG.
This is gold.
13:41 Good luck finding the underplate at 279e😁
Any weakspots at front actually
Aim for da weeksput! ... oh...
Hence the word "usually"
yes tank should be removed
driver's hatch? did WoT even have driver's hatch as a weakspot in the past 10 years??
almost spat my coffee when they were saying aim for internal modules, where they are...well ask the WoT community. 12 years and they can't do that in-game where you could turn on/off to see where your modules are at...
You can go to the forum and...
One sec.
WG did implement the armor view in game a few years ago. They took it out because people were actually using it and complaining that the numbers weren't right in battles.
WG: ask WG community
also WG: closes WG community forums
yup way to go WG
there is discord, nobody used forum anyways, new players didnt even know about it and some older players like me couldnt even acces it, i could neither post nor read posts on the forum.
best part is people where calling them out on the forums on their shady practices. so naturally its big brain corporation time aka censorship
So they talking about 3 times overmatch and how is caliber more important than penetration AND THEY REMOVED GUN CALIBER IN BATTLE...WHAT THE F?
are you surprised though? the game is pay to win, most of the mechanics only apply to free to play tech tree tanks, meanwhile real money tanks are practically invincible with olmost no weak spots while having better gun and ammuntion type aka apcr heat meta
That internal modul thing is crazy 😂
"Look at this amazing 3d representation of internal modules... NAHHH we won't share it, ask your friends."
WG : Community weill give info we will take the money :)
@@Little-bird-told-me I mean , putting it in a WoT+ tab would be hilarious
Meanwhile, War Thunder has armor and internal module x-ray and a penetration calculator all in-game...
@@Seabree WT has its own problems
20:23 It's not the only one exeption there is also A-20 which can have a rammer while having magazine gun
Oh yeah! You are right. Maybe they allow it because it's such a terrible gun?
Chi-Ri want to say hello
@@endahummukharis2838he literally covered the Chi-Ri
I guess we can’t take it too personally now when Wargaming fks up their own game over the years….. 😂
HEs used to work like WG is describing them as far as always causing at least minor damage, but they changed it a few years ago and now it can cause zero damage. Looks like this was made 5 years ago.
yep and specifically FREE HE aka the affordable one, they nerfed HE for sole purpose of making artillery overpowered and heavy tank meta and forcing all players to buy over priced premium shells to be able to pen the overpowered real money tanks.
Back in the day I played this, I remember stun mechanics from artillery. If you are stunned, you reload gun more slowly. OK, but it also applied to autoloaders! If a person, loader is stunned, I get it. But how can a mechanic mechanism also get stunned? And autoloaders usually need more time to reload when having an empty clip in the first place... Once again, how is a mechanical component stunned???
It also works the other way, why does having BIA or food in the autoloader tank make it reload faster? We also never see any people driving the tank.
Clearly the tanks are sentient and eat the food.
You think a track can be repaired in 7 seconds? You can see your tank from outside to make sure in bush? The commander can somehow both do his job and drive the tank when driver injured? It's a game, full of game mechanics, reality based arguments are always a fail.
Anyone who is a good player and cares about their performance want only one thing. That’s less rng. Change it to 10% max
I completely agree with you! We have dispersion plus RNG. RNG is doing what?!? Simulating the wind?!?Cmon!!...
In theory, yes, but I think less rng could actually be worse. Sure, my shots sometimes do some crazy things because of rng, but rng sometimes also gives me an opportunity that I perhaps shouldn't have gotten. Less rng would punish worse players too hard and I think it would also lead to way more boring battles as noone would dare to do anything risky as it would be a certain death. This would probably kill the game. This is coming from an above average player (2.5k wn8, 57% wr). Maybe it could be alittle lower, but I do think it's close to optimal atm.
@@fernando26504 dispersion is rng. So in this case they are the same thing
yes, we want more 15:0 battles
@@glasses_snake Unfortunately that’s an MM problem and seeing as 80% of the player base is 40+ year old mush brains who just want to see big guns go boom, it’s not gonna change. Also doesn’t help that there are SO MANY literal bots and WG won’t ban because they own the botting programs that people pay monthly for.
26:42 Your next stream title has to be "streamer with good statistics marking X tank"
and he should also give info about internal modules of the tank hes playing
the only mod I will ever suggest: Dispersion Reticle by: Pruszko, adds classic server reticle (so regular ones is still smooth) and adds another circle showing the reticle fully aimed which helps to wait for fully aimed shots
20:16 There's also an AT 7 autoloader on which it's possible to mount a Gun Rammer.
In next WG video "We have many new stuff for you and if you wana know internal modul layout go ask Skill" 🤣🤣🤣
"HE grenades never ricochet." What a lie! More than once my HE Arty granade bounced.
Nope, HE shells never ricoshet (they still can do no dmg tho)... that is a fact. There might be some faulty crew voice lines but HE shells never ricoshet. For example if you hit a gun/spaced armor/tracks with HE etc ...also a bounce and a ricoshet are different things.
those who play artillery should always miss and lose credits. no sympathy for artillery players
Arty players have no right to speak
Quite funny indeed when the narrator said to "ask the community", well the "Community" came up with a mod that helped see the modules inside, but got banned. So yeah, _"Get help from the community",_ but make sure *it's the help WG wants you to get.*
Great vid Skill, always fun to watch your vids, have a good one!
Aiming isn't the problem, it's the stealth stats that f*ck up your game.
2:00 no that is just cc rng. My shots are hitting the circle every single opportunity it gets and often even outside of that circle.
OMFG I'm laughing so hard at this internal module part =))))))
I can't believe they are serious about asking the community for in-game informations instead of putting it into the game themselves.
It's insanely hilarious & ridiculous =))))))))
8:42 - All vehicles? Some only have 1 or 2 shell types.
I already have like 4 of em.
Just want to add some notes to the penetrate and shell type issue, 3 time caliber rule is only applied to AP and APCR shells.
HEAT and HE will not auto penetrate (i.e. 430U shooting 103-0 on 40mm plate using HEAT/HE), instead effective armor will be calculated to measure whether the shell will be penetrated or not.
HEAT will auto-bounce when shooting > 85-degree plate
AP and APCR will auto bounce when shooting > 70-degree plate, after considering the 3-time caliber rule.
Hope this information is presented clearly.
Warm greetings from HK :)
"Enchanted" gun laying drive XDDDD Nerver change Skill, thanks for an amazing video, WG telling us to go to community ressources was wild ! They sould run ads for Index for sure !
I'd love to have one of those enchanted gun laying drives 😆
15:24, Yusha(russian tanks blogger) had mod, in which you can switch on some things and it will show location of modules and crew.
“HE never bounces” bull shit…!!!
I have personally seen, many times, my HE shells ricochet or BOUNCE off of a tank.
WG lie lie lie !
copium, skill issue detected
They refer to _Grille 15_ like more dangerous gun in _Lakeville_ heavy corridor against heavies hull down. This people is dishonest far beyoung imaginable.
Im so happy there will be internal modules on index page , im waiting so long for 3rd party website that can show this ! ( btw WT has it in game together with armor layout and in this game its actually important to learn that , in WOT we just press 2)
19:11 They showed Case of Cola but it was called “CHOCOLATE”
I love the "Consumables" part which has CHOCOLATE written and is a box of Cola :v
I use war thunder for reference of internal modules, at least for all the historically accurate tanks
i can't wait for the next video talking about armor, the guy will say
"and remember, unless you're using a chieftain, your armor will stop working once the enemy presses their 2 key"
@5:20, it would have been great if they just provided these values directly.
That AP has 5° normalization. APCR has 2° normalization and HE/HEAT has 0°. (Pulled from wargaming's Ammo wiki page. Updated 17 Dec 2022.)
Try to remember the thickness of the tanks' armor and shoot at the internal modules. And how do you find them? Don't ask us. Look for them somewhere, preferably on the Internet or something...
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"Aim for weak spots." Bwahahahahahaha!! yeah. right.
Of course!!!! RNG will help you!!! Hahaha 😂😂
@9:00. They said it inversely to the point WG even screwed up their logic x.x "three caliber rule:... if a shell's caliber is 3x greater than nominal armor at the impact point, then it won't ricochet. Only effective armor will be calculated for any shell in this case."
WG would have been correct if they said
"three caliber rule: if a shell's caliber is ≤3x the nominal armor at the point of impact, then effective armor will be calculated. Else you have an overmatch and will always penetrate."
Or simply:
“To overmatch: if a shell’s caliber is >3x the nominal armor at impact, then you have an overmatch and will always penetrate. Otherwise effective armor is calculated to help determine if a round will penetrate.”
Internal Modules : WOTInspector
Not playing the game anymore, but still watching your vids skill, keep up the good work
I would like WG to explain how HE shells the size of the FV4005 for example are able to bounce of a light... and that HE never bounce of is a LIE... or how the killing shot has a higher chance to "bounce"...
It's amazing how many new functions have been added recently. But the tech tree was too complicated...
HE never bounces? i remember back in the day being unable to kill the old KV with my SU28 and hearing, "we didn't penetrate the armor"
ooh yeah, do all that and still get a team of muppets who either bomburst everywhere or never move far from spawn point.
yep those who dont pay money will lose more games, the match maker is designed so paying players win more and real money tanks are far stronger than tech tree tanks. game is pay to win casino
The 120 vs 122 for auto pen of 40mm really shouldn’t have been an issue for WG. Bluntly staring x3 Auto pens is just wrong on so many levels…..
EBRs anywhere you shoot your shell ends up hitting the tires 😂
14:43 Best reaction ever 😂
5:30 I love you for that comment, sir!!!
Skill... You know, that this video is made for newbies... I think that is good start for them. But the veterans are watching you and other streamers for better informations and for knowledge how to be better. I mean veterans the people like me, when we are in the game since 2012, but we have 20k battles on one, main acc :). Thx for your content. I like your style and i am glad to that i can learn from you.
15:03 my reaction uppon seeing the internal modules for the first time
(also shocked where tf are leo's shells stored)
Watch the streamers is absolutly right. Since i'm watching the skill i learned to enjoy ramming or jumping the enemy or simply dance with the pipi raised
There is not really much in this video about 'how to aim'!?
15:06 LOL
WOTinspector
For a video idea you can do videos for these mechanics as well skill, I am sure plenty of players will find it useful, you can also put them in separate tutorial tab in the index
i find it also important, that these tutorial videos from WG's side, contain ALL information on that subject, since people want to find answers for in-game behaviour, that they don't understand, in these videos. good additions, skill
15:00 they should have said: you can find more information about module layout in warthunder
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idk why are they talking about it when theres a low chance of you actually demaging ammo even tho you hit it in the spot where ammo is.
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doing an aiming tutorial after 12 or 13 years of wot is crazy. like we didnt learned it already
The he is absorbed due to the angle of the impacted armor. Even 90mm of armor can easily shrug off 225mm of 800 alpha he. Thats why 60mm he pen at tier 8 and above is only really useful unless shooting the turret shield of borsig, scorpion and su130. And yes aparently wg has also noticed this as they are not taking any of the 60mm pen 500 alpha he on the video.
Ironically, I think this video kinda shows how complicated this game can be for newer players. It took a 15 minute video for them to SUMMARIZE aiming. And they didn't even get to all of it. AND they're adding MORE things lol
@ 1:45 Actually, this depiction is closer to my real experience than what you said... Except the dots should be even more densely distributed towards the edge of the circle 😅
I use the index for protecting my weak points and If a tank gives me a hard time I’ll dissect its weak points and what calibre is needed
They forgotten to mention that ventilation doesn't fits in open tanks, i.e. RHM Borsig
I did not know about the regular equipment needs the right spots and that pink purple and etc doesnt need a specific spot
i dont know if many people know this but theres also the two times overmatch rule. if your caliber is more than two times the thickness of enemy armour the normalization of your shell increases significantly.
three times rule on the other hand dictates that your shell cant _ricochet_, but it doesn't mean autopen. non-pen can still happen, but not ricochet
doesnt matter the game is pay to win. real money tanks have little to no weak spots. im glad i quit this pay to win game, aint ever coming back
@@soldier22881 Realistically if you're shit at the game money wont fix it.
@@iI_Principe looks like some one likes to play op tanks. cute
@@soldier22881 Or maybe i'm just way better than you at the game?? You can make almost every tank in the game work.
@@iI_Principe the copium is real. olmost any tank but ignoring how much stronger real money tanks are compared to tech tree ones, something wargaming promised they would never do on top of their other many broken promises.
Aslains mod pack has a module skin add on to show you the internal modules.
just a small thought i had for the equipment slots at about 22:10 : you are completely right by saying that it only matters for standard equipment. but wouldnt it still be better to show the equipments in the correct slots (which, i'm guessing, 90% of players are using in about 98% of the time)?
sure, everyone should have a brain and think of putting the - for example - vert stabs in the right slots themselves, but we all know our tomatoes.
0:40 Wait a second.....That song sounds like it's Operation Take Over by Mark Petrie.....
THE SONG USED IN THE WAR THUNDER SONS OF ATTILA TRAILER.
I have heard about normalization many years ago from other CC on youtube, if i remember corectly he said APCR has 2 degrees of normalization, AP has 5 degrees. From where he had this knowledge, I dont know
27:29 WG making fun of its own bots lol
They should have added ar the end: "By the way, if you play a Russian tank disregard everything you just heard in this video. Point and shoot. It's that simple. You will hit every time."
WG should have added Battle Hits, Armor & Module Viewer, Replay Manager, etc. to the game YEARS ago. Why have they not added it?
AT 7 auto loader can also use a gun rammer
A streamer once used wotinspector( i think that was the name) to see the internal modules.
I use it with the in-game mod (via Aslain's modpack) and immediately after the battle I can see every shot i hit or hit me, pens and no pens, every stat basically, including internal module locations. It is easily the best mod out there and well worth paying $10 (or whatever it is these days) to use the unlimited version. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
bruh i was waiting for you to react to this lol, Imagine not being able to explain your own game's mechanics... smh WG. Also that point about turning on server reticle is such bs. I play on NA with 250+ ping and it would unplayable if I had server reticle turned on. If you have server reticle turned off, aiming is not that bad, but also you get the added benefit of ping compensation when you shoot.
...accidentally penetrated my screen doors screen with my hand one day.. 120mm hand with good pen.. fucked that screen right up.. wot screens must be adamantium mesh
"Aiming" in this game is mostly down to server latency and who has the fastest connection to report their "hit" first
Last but not least remember you play as a team without any formal intelligent communication ability. Roll out
20:46 I've said it a few time, aim time is one of the most overlooked stats. It is incredibly important for maximum comfort but almost everyone disregards. That being said GLD would not often rank in my top choices.
Nice Skill you used my question from stream "Why should i use the bigger gun on AMX M4 mle. 51".
Perfect example with now working Index page. Thank you very much
About rammer on autoloaders and autoreloaders... SU-2-122 has autoreloading mechanism and also you are able to mount rammer on it. :)
Been about a year since iv watched one of your videos, that beautiful voice and accent! I have missed it skiiiiiill! 🎉
8:07 he also can ricochet. Wg definitely playing their game.
Don't know or don't understand?
They did use the wrong shell-pictures for the T-150, its the 57 mm gun, AP is 990 m/s and APCR is 1238 m/s. The HEAT-shell is from the 122 mm gun.
Funniest thing is that there is armor indicators like you can view how much armor a tank has in the garage on the console version of the game and you can see the interior modules. But by golly that’s too much to ask for on the pc version.
Hey Chief Baboon, I just wanted to thank you very much for what you did with the Skill Index. Most important page in WoT. No further comment needed.
Warscamming only knows one thing : how to drain your money...
Not mine 😂😂i stoped 2years ago 😂and i was f2p
HE shells don't bounce off ? Well I never, so when my crew shout 'rick-o-shea' they must be talking about an Irish man that just walked past.
Ask the community? Have they gone to their own discord or the WOT Reddit etc? I'm amazed every time a new player asks and gets a response vs getting memed and downvoted for not knowing
Also with that clip of the FV and the narrator is spouting some bs about focus fire, when he shot at the type 71 he wasnt even double bushed... smh lol
17:43 and for some reason the siege mode on the kunze panzer results in a way longer reload.
I'm convinced they don't even play their own game
i agree with you on the FV4005 you don't care if you get shredded. your still giggling about the 1 shot lol
fv4005 player should get nothing but loss streaks and miss every single shot. overpowered tank destroyers ruin this game
5:45 you know skill, watching you and Orzanel I realize that I overthink this game a lot. Thanks for saying that!
WG says players, get module details of other players.... Me says "WG can I choose premium tank and WG pay me for each premium I choose". Next customer that comes to me I will lease them the tools to fix their car and issue them for the invoice of the service they did !
Omg skill didn’t know that AP penetration values are actually better than heat when shooting at plates less than 70°