Imperial Noble Consort was helping Empress Nara in managing the harem on which, according to some historians, became an evidence that she and Empress Nara was really close. ✨
In Ruyi's royal love in the palace series, consort Chun found the bond between her and the step Empress in her last days and that secene was tragic but I love the way the author tried to figure out why in the final the two were buried together 🥺
She was the Han Chinese from Su clan so she couldn't be the empress, as the rule mandated even Qianlong loved her much - indicated by 3 children and Guifei position even she was originally his mistress when he was a prince. Her eldest son was demoted and her second son was given to Yunxi and put of the royal lineage. I could imagine that how depressed she could be. Her only joy was her little daughter whom was married with Fuheng's son at the same year as she died (and unfortunately her daughter died 7 years later).
It must be a big Friendship between Step-Empress and Consort Chun, that both rest together in Peace and Far away from Qianlang. I feel she was not realy Sad about the Life of her Kids. In a simply way her Kids was free to life a good life without the Games of Throne.
Being an Imperial Noble Consort is a blessing for the Han Chinese because Han woman can attain that title just like Consort Ling (Empress Xiaoyichun), she held that title and she managed the inner court. I love your videos💖💖💖 so interesting.
But the origin background of Consort Ling was Han Chinese after she became Empress posthumously her son raise her clan to Bordered Yellow Banner to make her surname manchufied. Consort Chun was came from Han Chinese a commoner while Consort Ling came from the very low background, she was a Lady in-waiting during the reign of Qianlong Emperor. But its ok that's you have a point. I read that in the history of Qing Dynasty..
Consort Chun was more prominent Han Chinese than Consort Ling, the reason why Consort Ling was promoted very fast it is because she was favored by the Emperor and she knows how to pleased the Emperor and she was the one who gave most children to the Emperor than to the other consorts. Lady Wei or Consort Ling came originally from the Han Chinese, she was Han Chinese by birth same with Consort Chun because of the status of Consort Ling now that she was an Empress (Posthumously). Her son the Jiaqing Emperor raise her clan and transfer it to Bordered Yellow Banner and now she was a Han Chinese Manchu. If Consort Ling was a Han Chinese Manchu, she have a possibility to be an Empress during her lifetime?
She probably didn't have chance to fight for empress position as she was a Han and came from common family, had no strong backing. Also Qianlong would've never made her an empress as it would've cause too much uproar in royal court.
@Jo Lok she was a Han that was enough to cause uproar, didn't I mentioned that she also didn't had strong backing. There wasn't any non Manchu that became an empress (while still alive at least) in Qing dynasty. Except maybe another Qianlong's consort, Emperor Jiaqing's birth mother which was Imperial Noble Consort Wei. She was the defacto Empress after the Step Empress Hoifa Nara, but only after her passing Qianlong posthumously elevated her to "Empress Xiaoyi".
I think she couldn’t become the empress for many reasons. Real Han Chinese, no family support, Qianlong’s favor, conflict between Manchu and Han Chinese etc.But my opinion is real Han Chinese is the most important one. 😀
@@ancientchinesehistorychannel Aside from Qianlong's flighting favor and affection. Personally I the biggest reason why Consort Chunhui never became empress was she was a commoner Han, which translate that she had no backing/ no power from the court compare to Consort Nara which from prominent clan.
@Jo Lok @Jo Lok I'm sorry to be the one that say this, despite base on historical but Yanxi or Ruyi not an accurate historical.....more of freestyle retelling history. Consort Ling or Imperial Consort Wei, was promoted as Empress Xiaoyi posthumously (it means she was promoted after she passed away) by Qianlong (later promoted to be Empress Xiaoyichun by her son Emperor Jiaqing). She was promoted because of her son was going to be the next emperor, Consort Ling posthumously promoted to be Empress to give her son legitimacy becoming the emperor. There wasn't any study or proof the court ever pushed her to ever be Empress. Also Consort Ling was a daughter Han official magistrate whose family had been long integrated into the Manchu Eight Banner. Compare to Consort Chunhui that only Han commoner. If you check Empress Xiaoyichun was actually the only Han ever held empress title in Qing Dynasty, and she only had that title posthumously. Why there wasn't any Han Empress (or hold the title of it while still alive), I assume (or in my personal opinion) related to Qing Dynasty stability or more like to avoid Han ever held more power in the court over the Manchu in Qing Dynasty.
@Jo Lok sorry, most Ruyi or Yanxi fans use those dramas as their source knowledge....more like their bible 🤦 Although i didn't study history in university, and learned only from Googling, so my knowledge not great, from what I read (i kinda forgeot the source, iirc i think I read from Smithsonian) it was not that easy to be Han consort promoted in the Qing imperial harem, because Manchurian women of the foremost banners were more likely to be promoted. That's why I mentioned Consort Ling could be promoted posthumously as Empress, it was for Yongyan legitimacy also because despite being a Han, her family had long been to Bordered Yellow Banner. I also read somewhere, one of the reason why almost never Han Empress in Qing Dynasty was to keep the court dominated by the Manchu, as they worried if there was ever a Han Empress, the Emperor would allowed Han power to grow in the court, something along that line.
Fantastic video. She must be the most successful Han Chinese concubine in the Qing dynasty after Empress Xiaoyi. I have a question. When you say she was sent as a gift, does that mean that she was a slave?
I would like to know more about Imperial Noble Consort Shujia. Is it true her name is a homophone for 'The Loser'? And why would there be a possible surviving portal of the Step Empress Nara in her belongings? Could it be a sign, that despite what we saw in the dramas, they were friends?
@@ancientchinesehistorychannel I'm thinking it was three options then. (And if I had a TARDIS I would find out) 1. They were close friends and someone who served the Korean Consort hid the portrait in her lady's things so that future generations would one day know what the step empress looked like. 2. one of the Step Empress's people hid it in the Imperial Noble Consorts things because they didn't like each other so Qinglong wouldn't think to look there. Or 3. It was a thoughtless addition to the Korean Consorts things, and that makes me a little sad, if I'm honest.
could you do a new one talking about Shujia Huang GUI FEI please ? I always wondered how she was in real life, I hate when she is portrayed as a bad and Freddy person and ignorant just for not being Chinese, Which is totally wrong because in Korea all nobles and even palace maids know how to real in Chinese and were able to learn poetry and more. plus looks like she was very favoured by Qialong and I guess she was kind. But her personality is what intrigues me the most. What you think Bing?
I'm also curious about Imperial Noble Consort Shujia, some people said she got the title 'shu' and became 'shujia' to mock her as 'shujia' has the same phonetic as 'loser' 🤔
How ignorant can she be if she could speak two languages, play the gayageum (korean zither) and politically spar with others? I know it was a show and by no account can someone take it seriously but in all honesty behind Hailan I would say she was one of THE smartest.
If she was one of Qianlong's favorite Consorts why was she not buried with his other Consorts? Why did she have her own tomb and the step-empress was buried next to her six years later?
I never truly understood why these Imperial women needed the backup and support of their maternal families? Usually (at least here in the states) the patriarch is more important than the matriarch which is why we take our husband's last name at marriage. Any insight anyone can give would be greatly appreciated 😊
This may sound ignorant but we know how the manchu tried to eradicate bound feet yet there were han women in the inner court. How did they get around that huge place without taking immense amounts of time or pain...is there mention of this during Ming dynasty?
Imperial Noble Consort was helping Empress Nara in managing the harem on which, according to some historians, became an evidence that she and Empress Nara was really close. ✨
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@@ancientchinesehistorychannel Yes I read this in some history of the Quin dynasty that some of the consorts were lesbian- including the empress.
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As revenge, that’s why QianLong took in HeShen as his male concubine and had a blind eye to his lasting corruption.
In Ruyi's royal love in the palace series, consort Chun found the bond between her and the step Empress in her last days and that secene was tragic but I love the way the author tried to figure out why in the final the two were buried together 🥺
I will make video why they were buried together.
She was the Han Chinese from Su clan so she couldn't be the empress, as the rule mandated even Qianlong loved her much - indicated by 3 children and Guifei position even she was originally his mistress when he was a prince.
Her eldest son was demoted and her second son was given to Yunxi and put of the royal lineage. I could imagine that how depressed she could be. Her only joy was her little daughter whom was married with Fuheng's son at the same year as she died (and unfortunately her daughter died 7 years later).
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It must be a big Friendship between Step-Empress and Consort Chun, that both rest together in Peace and Far away from Qianlang.
I feel she was not realy Sad about the Life of her Kids. In a simply way her Kids was free to life a good life without the Games of Throne.
Being an Imperial Noble Consort is a blessing for the Han Chinese because Han woman can attain that title just like Consort Ling (Empress Xiaoyichun), she held that title and she managed the inner court. I love your videos💖💖💖 so interesting.
Consort Chun is real Han Chinese. Consort Ling is Han Chinese Manchu. They have different.😀
But the origin background of Consort Ling was Han Chinese after she became Empress posthumously her son raise her clan to Bordered Yellow Banner to make her surname manchufied. Consort Chun was came from Han Chinese a commoner while Consort Ling came from the very low background, she was a Lady in-waiting during the reign of Qianlong Emperor. But its ok that's you have a point. I read that in the history of Qing Dynasty..
Consort Chun was more prominent Han Chinese than Consort Ling, the reason why Consort Ling was promoted very fast it is because she was favored by the Emperor and she knows how to pleased the Emperor and she was the one who gave most children to the Emperor than to the other consorts.
Lady Wei or Consort Ling came originally from the Han Chinese, she was Han Chinese by birth same with Consort Chun because of the status of Consort Ling now that she was an Empress (Posthumously). Her son the Jiaqing Emperor raise her clan and transfer it to Bordered Yellow Banner and now she was a Han Chinese Manchu.
If Consort Ling was a Han Chinese Manchu, she have a possibility to be an Empress during her lifetime?
This is was really informative and good. Thank you for this one. Gave great insight on Imperial Noble Consort Chunhui.
😀Glad you enjoyed it!
Please talking about of Quianlong's Consort Shu (Yehenara).
That was actually a nice story. I wonder if she really even wanted to be empress. She may have been happier without all that stress 😏
She probably didn't have chance to fight for empress position as she was a Han and came from common family, had no strong backing. Also Qianlong would've never made her an empress as it would've cause too much uproar in royal court.
@Jo Lok she was a Han that was enough to cause uproar, didn't I mentioned that she also didn't had strong backing. There wasn't any non Manchu that became an empress (while still alive at least) in Qing dynasty. Except maybe another Qianlong's consort, Emperor Jiaqing's birth mother which was Imperial Noble Consort Wei. She was the defacto Empress after the Step Empress Hoifa Nara, but only after her passing Qianlong posthumously elevated her to "Empress Xiaoyi".
I think she couldn’t become the empress for many reasons. Real Han Chinese, no family support, Qianlong’s favor, conflict between Manchu and Han Chinese etc.But my opinion is real Han Chinese is the most important one. 😀
@@ancientchinesehistorychannel Aside from Qianlong's flighting favor and affection. Personally I the biggest reason why Consort Chunhui never became empress was she was a commoner Han, which translate that she had no backing/ no power from the court compare to Consort Nara which from prominent clan.
@Jo Lok @Jo Lok I'm sorry to be the one that say this, despite base on historical but Yanxi or Ruyi not an accurate historical.....more of freestyle retelling history.
Consort Ling or Imperial Consort Wei, was promoted as Empress Xiaoyi posthumously (it means she was promoted after she passed away) by Qianlong (later promoted to be Empress Xiaoyichun by her son Emperor Jiaqing). She was promoted because of her son was going to be the next emperor, Consort Ling posthumously promoted to be Empress to give her son legitimacy becoming the emperor. There wasn't any study or proof the court ever pushed her to ever be Empress.
Also Consort Ling was a daughter Han official magistrate whose family had been long integrated into the Manchu Eight Banner. Compare to Consort Chunhui that only Han commoner. If you check Empress Xiaoyichun was actually the only Han ever held empress title in Qing Dynasty, and she only had that title posthumously.
Why there wasn't any Han Empress (or hold the title of it while still alive), I assume (or in my personal opinion) related to Qing Dynasty stability or more like to avoid Han ever held more power in the court over the Manchu in Qing Dynasty.
@Jo Lok sorry, most Ruyi or Yanxi fans use those dramas as their source knowledge....more like their bible 🤦
Although i didn't study history in university, and learned only from Googling, so my knowledge not great, from what I read (i kinda forgeot the source, iirc i think I read from Smithsonian) it was not that easy to be Han consort promoted in the Qing imperial harem, because Manchurian women of the foremost banners were more likely to be promoted. That's why I mentioned Consort Ling could be promoted posthumously as Empress, it was for Yongyan legitimacy also because despite being a Han, her family had long been to Bordered Yellow Banner.
I also read somewhere, one of the reason why almost never Han Empress in Qing Dynasty was to keep the court dominated by the Manchu, as they worried if there was ever a Han Empress, the Emperor would allowed Han power to grow in the court, something along that line.
Fantastic video. She must be the most successful Han Chinese concubine in the Qing dynasty after Empress Xiaoyi. I have a question. When you say she was sent as a gift, does that mean that she was a slave?
I would like to know more about Imperial Noble Consort Shujia. Is it true her name is a homophone for 'The Loser'? And why would there be a possible surviving portal of the Step Empress Nara in her belongings? Could it be a sign, that despite what we saw in the dramas, they were friends?
Most documents about the step empress were destroyed by Qianlong, so we can’t 100% sure say they were close friends.
@@ancientchinesehistorychannel I'm thinking it was three options then. (And if I had a TARDIS I would find out)
1. They were close friends and someone who served the Korean Consort hid the portrait in her lady's things so that future generations would one day know what the step empress looked like.
2. one of the Step Empress's people hid it in the Imperial Noble Consorts things because they didn't like each other so Qinglong wouldn't think to look there.
Or 3. It was a thoughtless addition to the Korean Consorts things, and that makes me a little sad, if I'm honest.
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could you do a new one talking about Shujia Huang GUI FEI please ? I always wondered how she was in real life, I hate when she is portrayed as a bad and Freddy person and ignorant just for not being Chinese, Which is totally wrong because in Korea all nobles and even palace maids know how to real in Chinese and were able to learn poetry and more. plus looks like she was very favoured by Qialong and I guess she was kind. But her personality is what intrigues me the most. What you think Bing?
I will make a video for her. She wasn’t a bad person in real history.
I'm also curious about Imperial Noble Consort Shujia, some people said she got the title 'shu' and became 'shujia' to mock her as 'shujia' has the same phonetic as 'loser' 🤔
Yes do one on her ! Would love to know her story.
How ignorant can she be if she could speak two languages, play the gayageum (korean zither) and politically spar with others? I know it was a show and by no account can someone take it seriously but in all honesty behind Hailan I would say she was one of THE smartest.
@@Ashley-vs8nu that is the thing she wasn't ignorant at all or greddy she is portrayed as a evil outsiders and she was not like that at all.
She's the very best friend of Consort Xian and shared many things and secrets with her, I will not wonder Consort Xian is placed next to her tomb
If she was one of Qianlong's favorite Consorts why was she not buried with his other Consorts? Why did she have her own tomb and the step-empress was buried next to her six years later?
I hope you can make a video of Consort Ling💖💖💖
I will. 😀
I never truly understood why these Imperial women needed the backup and support of their maternal families? Usually (at least here in the states) the patriarch is more important than the matriarch which is why we take our husband's last name at marriage. Any insight anyone can give would be greatly appreciated 😊
In ancient China, women did take husband’s last name. I will make videos about ancient Chinese marriage.
It was political reasons it was important to have a strong family and background to support the emperor and possibly the emperor's heir.
In all the patriarchal societies women were respected according to their family status. Princesses and commoners had not the same treatment.
Hello could you make a video of Noble Consort Ying, Concubine Mei And Consort Shu
This may sound ignorant but we know how the manchu tried to eradicate bound feet yet there were han women in the inner court. How did they get around that huge place without taking immense amounts of time or pain...is there mention of this during Ming dynasty?
I will make videos on this topic.
@@ancientchinesehistorychannel Thank you!