Personally I like to write off the holes in the theory by assuming the stories of Red Harlow simply were told incorrectly by the sheriff narrator in red dead revolver making the uncle theory still plausible. Kinda similar to how people thought Jim boy Calloway was a crazy gunslinger but in reality he wasn’t all he was hyped up to be as all the stories about him were simply “bunk”
imagine if they payed homage to red harlow by somehow including him in that mission chain, where he played a role kind of like black belle mixed with hamish where you need to look for him to ask questions about jimboy and you end up befriending him and and you do little activities with him kind of like hamish
if that's what you want to believe. Then whatever floats your boat. But if we talking actual red dead lore, then he 100% wasn't red harlow. I don't even care about the plot holes, the developers confirmed it wasn't him. And that is good enough for me.
Not possible. We know for a fact Red Harlow is a well-known bounty hunter, not just a gunslinger. What would Arthur, a tough and lethal outlaw, do if he ever encountered a bounty hunter?
@@zonkers. I just want to see how Red Harlow is after getting his revenge at the end of red dead revolver. From a rdr2 style character model he seems to be smiling.
You do make a good point, however we just wanted to go over all the things people bring up as "evidence" and not just things that are flat out obvious characteristics, if that makes sense.
I believe that Red Harlow is just some legendary Bounty Hunter. No connections to anyone, just a person that people have told stories about for a while and the story has probably gotten crazier and crazier each telling. I mean, what if the original story we see isn’t even the actual one just some overhyped bounty hunter.
Read Dead Revolver 2: true story It's about what really happened and it turns out that Red was just a pretty good bounty hunter who wasn't unremarkable but also wasn't amazing.
I remember I was talking with someone about this in the comments of an other video, he tried to argue that scars heal over time. to an extent he is right, they fade over time (at least that is what google says) but those giant scars across his face would still be noticeable even after 50/60 years.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent yeah, you can even tell that they were pretty deep by the shape alone. I have a scar above my eyebrow from when I was 5 and I split my head open and it’s still there. It’s been 17 years since I got it.
Uncle not being red is 100% possible, however revolver and redemption 1&2 not being in the same universe can be donated hard, cuz you can find red harlows house, and hear several different characters through both games talk about red harlow, and he's been mentioned by name in rdr2.
@@wrathsreign7227 even if it was a mistake, facts are facts and the redharlow being uncle theory is debunked. Your opinion is completely irrelevant to the discussion we're having.
Later in that article or a separate one I think they stated something along the lines of the “. Red Dead Revolver is also its own universe, but the world of Red Dead Redemption was always meant to be a world in which the myths and realities of the American frontier collide” meaning aspects of both CAN collide RED HARLOW being a possible example
Now that is REALLY stretching the fan fiction. Also the fact you couldn't even quote it word for word makes me suspect highly that this is some sort of fairy tale.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent "The Undead Nightmare story takes place during the "home" period of the main game, while John is trying to rebuild his ranch but before the end of the game--a period that we imagined took several months. (If you've played the game to the end, please don't put spoilers in the comments.) You play Undead Nightmare as John, and it is an entirely stand-alone game that runs separately from Red Dead Redemption's main story and not part of any Red Dead Redemption canon, if such a thing exists. Red Dead Revolver is also its own universe, but the world of Red Dead Redemption was always meant to be a world in which the myths and realities of the American frontier collide. As for whether it's literally a nightmare or not--you are going to have to play the game and find out for yourself." From Dan Houser
@@genevievesweet7741 When dan houser said that, I would say it is safe to say he was talking about the unicorns, big foot, zombies and whatever mythical creatures spawn in RDUN. Not to mention that whole quote is mostly only referring to undead nightmare, meaning that the quote is completely irrelevant and mostly taken out of context espically when we're talking about red harlow.
I personally think Uncle is a loose reference to Red from all those hints (like the scarf). I wouldnt be surprised if it's an Easter egg and reference to the Red Dead Revolver series.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent Just because they say that to the public, doesn't mean that they had that sentiment while making the game. An exoteric image is always pushed to the people that have zero inner monologue. Because they know that openly admitting easter eggs would ruin the fun from it.
@@jonboner2987 one of the first results when I googled "game developers sharing easter eggs" was an article by rock, paper shotgun called "Game developers reveal the best easter eggs they've hidden in games" You know that game developers are human beings right? Therefore it would be a silly statement to say "they know openly admitting easter eggs would ruin it" Since every developer is an individual means that each individual has their own intention with how they want to present the said easter egg. "always pushed to the people that have zero inner monologue" What the hell does that even mean? Every person on the planet has an inner monologue (unless you're brain dead, but even then that is debatable) I just thought to my self "I'm going to go make a bacon sandwhich" I just debunked your theory.
It is possible that red dead revolver with its heavy emphasis on the mystical was a mythologized version of a real gunslinger. A myth originated by uncle about his own life that got romanticized with each telling by him or anyone else.
What if... Landon Ricketts is actually Red Harlow, and after the events of red revolver he changed his name so the government couldn't find him. And then we meet him in rdr. Not to mention his past is sort of a mystery 🤔 just a what if
@JackycakesV2 I know that. My post was a what if sorta like wait what! Kind of mystery reveal. And I think that would have been cool to tie in red dead revolver to the red dead redemption universe. Because as we all know rockstar already came out and said revolver and redemption are not in the same universe
I never thought for a second Uncle is Red Harlow. The ages do not match, also their personalities are completely different. Plus it wouldn't make sense for Red's character, his family was murdered by a gang, so why would he join a gang that kills a bunch of innocent people. Cause when they're doing robbery's and when police and law show up they kill them, they're just following the law and doing the right thing and try to bring them in. Those law enforcement officers are trying to bring bad folk in, and they get killed for it. Their kids left without father's, so why would he join a gang that inflicts the same pain and trauma he went through onto other innocent people? He hates gangs and criminals, he became a bounty hunter to bring them to justice and kill them, as Red Harlow even said himself. "It never was about the money." Also another reason why the ages don't match, is because Red Harlow was in his early to mid 20s during Red Dead Revolver, which takes place in the mid 1880s. Meanwhile Uncle is in his 50s by 1899, also it would be really sad and depressing to see a badass become such a Buffon and joke of a person.
I like to imagine Uncle being a badass before RDR2. Hopefully we'd get a prequel (to a prequel) that is about Uncle's past Imagine at the end of that game Uncle's wife gets murdered by the big bad guy which leads to him killing him in revenge. Then after the game he just becomes a drunk. Or he has always been uncle like we knew him who knows
I can't believe the amount of arguments I've seen over this. Uncle doesn't even have the Scorpion Revolver. Kinda hard to believe he'd lose his father's revolver after all he's been through.
5:09 this one part is defiantly not true, Red Dead Revolver is in the same universe as rdr2, it just takes place in 1886, and rdr2 takes place in the end of the century, 1899-1907. But you can come across someone camping and if you talk with him, he brings up and I LITERALLY STATE, he says: “My brother’s dead, but he used to tell me stories about *Red Harlow.* the man who watches his parents get murdered right in front of him?” Edit: Ok, this came up later in the video, but I didn’t watch that part yet, sorry 😅
Nah, you are just a pussy for getting annoyed by their imagination. The video game timeline for this game is meant to have imagination by the player, so it's totally justifiable why they dwell into this lore of Uncle being Red.
@@KC.45 Again, that is the official canon explanation, but the viewer of an art can eventually see new perspectives of the painting. You must free your mind from these strict boundaries and guidances if you want to see the full picture my friend.
6:00 Correct me if I'm wrong, but red harlows home isn't in the original red dead redemption, instead there is just an abandoned brick house falling apart at two crows. I looked all over and could not find it.
doubt it, Red is brought up by random people in camps while talking to john. if what you're saying was true, then it would be breaking the 4th wall in all the wrong ways
@@zonkers. In GTAV you can find an easter egg, a book called Red Dead written by J Marston. Redemption games are confirmed a separate universe and in those games they treat Red like a folk tale
@@KaitouKaiju still dont believe it as down in the bookshelf you can find a book made by H.Potter so unless its just refference i doubt there is a harry potger
I would say that Uncle is and also is not Red Harlow, as an example (Spoilers for jo jo part 6) Irene is the equivalent of Joylene they aren't the same person but they are the universal equivalent of them or reference to them.
I would say that uncle is 100% not red harlow, as an example (Spoilers for gamespot interview) the former vice president of R* games confirmed they aren't the same person but they do live in the same universe.
Even if red dead revolver was kind of based on the actual redemption series definitely one character in particular some exist which would be Annie Stokes bonnie Mcfarland is too heavily based on her. other characters including some of the weird bosses like pig Josh or the guy who has a coffin with a gatling gun inside would also fit in the same area of none existing characters.
Given how he’s portrayed in Red Dead Revolver Red would never have joined up with bunch of murderous criminals to begin with. He hunted those types down.
Was the man who said he saw Annie Stokes just lying about it? He details the bull riding mission pretty accurately, even talks about her rifle. Also, I dont think the Harlow's had a slave lady like the skeleton attached to the churn at Two Crows in Redemption. Also, why only a single grave? I see two plaques there but still. Also, a cross? I dont think the Harlow's were catholic. Falling Star for sure wasnt, Red doesnt have, mention or practice a religion.
Although a lot of evidence points to uncle not being red Harlow. I still love the idea and theory that this wacky old man once upon a time was a badass gunslinger, until eventually time caught up with him.
I've never played any of the older red dead games so I wouldn't know I'm not even close to finishing red dead redemption 2 yet its mostly because before my parents didn't let me play the games because I was to young I'm almost 16 now
Here’s how I see it. I think they take place in the same universe red dead revolver takes place in 1886 and then red dead redemption 2 Takes in 1899 and red dead redemption takes place in 1911 red Harlow kills the man who killed his father never to be seen again. There is a little evidence of him being Uncle from red dead redemption, two and red dead redemption, but I don’t think it’s true but I do think the one shot kid was a real person but not red Harlow but Uncle but I do think the story is in the same universe and is real .
@@Aressolostheverse4574 so they can’t say that nobody cares. Why can’t we just say it is they just bought the rights they didn’t create the game. It was already made. They bought the right and revive the game.
Revolver is a game loosely based on the stories about a real gunslinger and characters from the Redemption universe. Redemption is a game loosely based on the stories about real gunslingers and characters in our own universe.
@zonkers. Red Dead Revolver is set in 1888 or 1889. Red Harlow was born in the 1860s. Uncle was born in 1849. Red Harlow's parents were killed in the 1870s. Uncle lost his parents when he was 9 years old. Uncle was caught by the Skinners Brothers he was tortured and that explains the scars on Uncle's face.
No they are not... Rdr2 plays on 1899. Uncle is 61 years old in rdr2. Red Hawlow is on his young 20's in Read Dead Revolver. Red Dead Revolver plays during the 1880's...
My opinion is they should remake the game red Harlow from back then to this year. They should make it again with better images like rdr 2. I know we all liked it back then for play station 2 from are child hood. But would it be great if rockstar brought red Harlow game out and turn it into the same game but with it looking like rdr 2 images
Personally, I just can't see Red Harlow becoming a outlaw since Red decided to become a Bounty Hunter to fight against outlaws like the ones who killed his parents. Him joining the Van Der Linde gang is definitely out of character for Red Harlow
Could it not be possible that Uncle is still Red Harlow in the Redemption continuity, leaving room for minor changes in the backstory causing the inconsistencies that you pointed out in this video? If it's two different universes with both men being the same person, doesn't that leave room for changes in decision making resulting in the inconsistencies?
I would like to add to this point by saying though Uncle ain't Harlow, he was the One shot kid. Becuase if you play the game, in the tournament there is a Character that is called the "One Shot Kid" ans he looked young. Similar Personality.
One thing that would prove it once and for all is using mods to shave off uncle's beard showing the rest of the scars that red harllow had if they exist then the theory is true if not then it's horse shit
Scars don't grow hair, So I think you'd notice the 5 bald patches stretching across both sides of his face. Plus one of the scars is on his nose so it wouldn't even be obscured by any facial hair at all.
I love to think they are the same person but it’s kinda obvious they’re not, just found ur channel I love to support smaller creators like me so I’ll subscribe
YOO NO WAY! dude i actually saw your video about micah awhile back and thought it was a masterpiece! this means a whole lot man thank you for the kind words. we got even better videos in the works
i just imagine rd revolv to just be a book or something for the rdr series, I mean..definitly seems like a generic wild west movie or smth, and given how uncle red harlow is deconfirmed by Rockstar, idk man
I personally feel there are disagreements in Rockstar on how the the game fits; thus no consistent and concrete answer from the company. As for now, this is how I see it to make the most sense: Red Dead Revolver is a fictional story written and inspired by the people in the author's life that goes by the name Jack Marston. His father had similar scars and became a bounty hunter to save his family. Motivated by revenge and in need of training on how to kill, Jack became a bounty hunter to hunt down the government official that betrayed his father; just like Red. He always wanted to be a writer. After his vengeance was laid to rest, he found his purpose in writing.
In my mind, the leader of the company/production (CEO, Founder or lead developer) should have the final say in what is cannon and what isn't cannon. To me that person is Dan Houser.
@@DonnieDaniels Like if that made much of a difference. Rockstar has already stated 4 times by now that Red Dead Revolver is not in any way, shape, or form connected to Red Dead Redemption. People just don't like reading.
I can see why the Uncle theory is so popular and the one time uncle calls out Duch with him wating to be king, Uncle calls out Dutch / Hidden Dialogue / RDR2 Cinematic (edit) but in my own opinion why would uncle once the Red Harlow who brought justice to outlaws become an outlaw himself, i now once upon a time The Vanderlin Gang "Shot people who needed shooting, helped people who needed helping" but robbing banks of small towns/farming communities which uncle organised Rhodes bank heist lets not forget, feels off to me IDK
Because it's not the same universe that would be impossible. It would be the equivalent of me telling stories about a badass marine, only he actually exists in an alternate universe where it would be impossible for me to know his existence.
Uncle is not red harlow Infact you can tell that by john in rdr1 and rdr2, he is the son of red harlow you can tell this by the hat and the conversation him and jack had in epilogue say his dad died at 7 years old All 3 games red john jack share the same hat regardless of what we think or say the hats are the same and plus seeing red being a damn good shot would play into the fact he was a bounty hunter and taught john to shoot and john did the same because he was a damn good shot and ended up being a bounty hunter and this is wrapped into jack being a good shot and ended up being a bounty hunter
I’ve always never liked this theory ever since I was told about it. Never made any sense in terms of timeline and character, Red would never settle down with the likes of the Van der Linde gang due to him taking down outlaws himself. And personality wise Red and Uncle are completely different, yeah people say that people change but this is a complete character shift. Realistically I feel like Red’s fate after the events of Revolver is most likely death from the government after his revenge on Governor Griffin.
yeah it seems like anyone who wants this theory to be true just clutch desperatly to anything they can get their hands on and ignore all the obvious evidence pointing towards the facts.
There’s no specific date they say he was born or exactly when the game even takes place so any argument made using his birth date as evidence doesn’t hold up
Red Dead Revolver is set in 1888 or 1889. Red Harlow was born in the 1860s. Uncle was born in 1849. Red Harlow's parents were killed in the 1870s. Uncle lost his parents when he was 9 years old. Uncle was caught by the Skinners Brothers he was tortured and that explains the scars on Uncle's face.
It's only cool backwards not forwards, for everybody that played redemption first to go "ooh what if the lazy old guy was once a badass" cause nobody that played revolver wants the badass turned into some lazy loser
Uncle just cos-plays famous fictional gunslinger. Similar locations with different names is not a proof, Red Dead Redemption locations are also based on real location of our world, but different names - that's normal for fictional stories, to have some connection to world they exist.
My opinion. What exactly about the LEGEND is actually accurate? We have already seen examples in 2 how Legends turn out to be lies like the gunslingers. If Uncle is Red Harlow, how much of his Legend would be exaggerated to fit a positive narrative?
We also know that red Harlow didn't have terminal lumbago
you make a compelling argument.
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@@zonkers. what the music theme in the back ground
@@umarheadcutter7189 czcams.com/video/AF22vaGLziM/video.html&ab_channel=WoodyJackson-Topic (the music at the start)
We all know red harlow had lumbago, he just overdued it and had a relapse.
Personally I like to write off the holes in the theory by assuming the stories of Red Harlow simply were told incorrectly by the sheriff narrator in red dead revolver making the uncle theory still plausible. Kinda similar to how people thought Jim boy Calloway was a crazy gunslinger but in reality he wasn’t all he was hyped up to be as all the stories about him were simply “bunk”
imagine if they payed homage to red harlow by somehow including him in that mission chain, where he played a role kind of like black belle mixed with hamish where you need to look for him to ask questions about jimboy and you end up befriending him and and you do little activities with him kind of like hamish
if that's what you want to believe. Then whatever floats your boat.
But if we talking actual red dead lore, then he 100% wasn't red harlow. I don't even care about the plot holes, the developers confirmed it wasn't him. And that is good enough for me.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent thanks teach...
Not possible. We know for a fact Red Harlow is a well-known bounty hunter, not just a gunslinger. What would Arthur, a tough and lethal outlaw, do if he ever encountered a bounty hunter?
@@zonkers. I just want to see how Red Harlow is after getting his revenge at the end of red dead revolver. From a rdr2 style character model he seems to be smiling.
This didn't even mention the personality difference. Red was the silent stoic type. Uncle can't shut up
You do make a good point, however we just wanted to go over all the things people bring up as "evidence" and not just things that are flat out obvious characteristics, if that makes sense.
Some People can get a lot more talkative when they get older
People change over time. Just because you're stoic today doesn't mean you will be tomorrow.
Alcohol Dutch. Uncle's drunk 24/7.
Agreed.
I believe that Red Harlow is just some legendary Bounty Hunter. No connections to anyone, just a person that people have told stories about for a while and the story has probably gotten crazier and crazier each telling. I mean, what if the original story we see isn’t even the actual one just some overhyped bounty hunter.
Read Dead Revolver 2: true story
It's about what really happened and it turns out that Red was just a pretty good bounty hunter who wasn't unremarkable but also wasn't amazing.
Or the story could be the truth and that’s what it is.
i always knew uncle wasnt red harlow but i still love the idea of uncle being a complete bad ass
He did know how to shoot at least.
One shot kid
@ZmirgTV according to him.
@@wooblydooblygod3857 He knew how to shot three bullets straight out of a double barrel shotgun.
@@wooblydooblygod3857 And as we know Uncle isnt a very trustworthy source
He doesn’t even have the facial scars seen on Red Harlow. That alone should be enough to debunk this.
I remember I was talking with someone about this in the comments of an other video, he tried to argue that scars heal over time. to an extent he is right, they fade over time (at least that is what google says) but those giant scars across his face would still be noticeable even after 50/60 years.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent yeah, you can even tell that they were pretty deep by the shape alone. I have a scar above my eyebrow from when I was 5 and I split my head open and it’s still there. It’s been 17 years since I got it.
@@CringeGamingOG In fairness, Uncle would have over 40 years to heal, as well as RDR2 is around the time that scar repairing had hit it's groove.
@@genevievesweet7741 tf you mean by "scar reparing had hit it's groove"
Red also acts nothing like Uncle and was never interested in being a criminal. He didn’t even care about money to that extent.
Counter argument, uncle is red Harlow 🍷🗿
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Look I love Uncle too, but saying that he is Red Harlow ISN'T going to make him Red Harlow.
Red would put a bullet in his skull if he turned into Uncle 😂
Uncle not being red is 100% possible, however revolver and redemption 1&2 not being in the same universe can be donated hard, cuz you can find red harlows house, and hear several different characters through both games talk about red harlow, and he's been mentioned by name in rdr2.
Or the fact rockstar literally said red dead revolver and red dead redemption isn’t related bruh. That’s literally all that needs to be said
@JackycakesV2 that's a mistake I feel rockstar made. It would have been cool if all three games were in the same universe. But that's just my opinion
@@wrathsreign7227 red dead revolver is a cartoonish game while rdr and rdr2 went for realism.
@@JackycakesV2 They also said their universes intertwine in the next sentence after that. It's never been clear.
@@wrathsreign7227 even if it was a mistake, facts are facts and the redharlow being uncle theory is debunked.
Your opinion is completely irrelevant to the discussion we're having.
Perhaps Uncle was used as the inspiration for the "fictional" story that the characters share.
if jim boy calloway can get away with being famous then anything is possible
What did Uncle ever do that is remotely similar to the events seen in Red Dead Revolver?
Later in that article or a separate one I think they stated something along the lines of the “. Red Dead Revolver is also its own universe, but the world of Red Dead Redemption was always meant to be a world in which the myths and realities of the American frontier collide” meaning aspects of both CAN collide RED HARLOW being a possible example
i wouldnt doubt it man
Now that is REALLY stretching the fan fiction. Also the fact you couldn't even quote it word for word makes me suspect highly that this is some sort of fairy tale.
I think red is just a legend in the universe
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent "The Undead Nightmare story takes place during the "home" period of the main game, while John is trying to rebuild his ranch but before the end of the game--a period that we imagined took several months. (If you've played the game to the end, please don't put spoilers in the comments.) You play Undead Nightmare as John, and it is an entirely stand-alone game that runs separately from Red Dead Redemption's main story and not part of any Red Dead Redemption canon, if such a thing exists. Red Dead Revolver is also its own universe, but the world of Red Dead Redemption was always meant to be a world in which the myths and realities of the American frontier collide. As for whether it's literally a nightmare or not--you are going to have to play the game and find out for yourself." From Dan Houser
@@genevievesweet7741 When dan houser said that, I would say it is safe to say he was talking about the unicorns, big foot, zombies and whatever mythical creatures spawn in RDUN.
Not to mention that whole quote is mostly only referring to undead nightmare, meaning that the quote is completely irrelevant and mostly taken out of context espically when we're talking about red harlow.
I personally think Uncle is a loose reference to Red from all those hints (like the scarf). I wouldnt be surprised if it's an Easter egg and reference to the Red Dead Revolver series.
Nah. The developers 100% confirmed isn't harlow. If it was a reference they'd of mentioned it.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent Just because they say that to the public, doesn't mean that they had that sentiment while making the game. An exoteric image is always pushed to the people that have zero inner monologue. Because they know that openly admitting easter eggs would ruin the fun from it.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent tone it down a bit
@@jonboner2987 one of the first results when I googled "game developers sharing easter eggs" was an article by rock, paper shotgun called "Game developers reveal the best easter eggs they've hidden in games"
You know that game developers are human beings right? Therefore it would be a silly statement to say "they know openly admitting easter eggs would ruin it" Since every developer is an individual means that each individual has their own intention with how they want to present the said easter egg.
"always pushed to the people that have zero inner monologue" What the hell does that even mean? Every person on the planet has an inner monologue (unless you're brain dead, but even then that is debatable)
I just thought to my self "I'm going to go make a bacon sandwhich" I just debunked your theory.
@@YourMomsCar3650 I'm ok but thanks for the offer.
It is possible that red dead revolver with its heavy emphasis on the mystical was a mythologized version of a real gunslinger. A myth originated by uncle about his own life that got romanticized with each telling by him or anyone else.
If it is possible, then when in the game can we encounter Uncle telling Red Dead Revolver's narrative?
Imagine if rdr3 is about Red Hallow
i would actually really like that. i think it would be interesting to revisit his story.
I think in order for that it would be revolver 2 instead of redemption 3.
Maybe if it was called Red Dead Revolver 2 then I'd be down to check that game out.
What if... Landon Ricketts is actually Red Harlow, and after the events of red revolver he changed his name so the government couldn't find him. And then we meet him in rdr. Not to mention his past is sort of a mystery 🤔 just a what if
Would be cool tbh, sad the voice actor passed before RDR2 because I think he could've had a decent role in that game too
Red Harlow isnt a criminal tho
@@madmannn9576 I might be wrong, but I don't think Ricketts was an outlaw himself either
Landon ricketts was still an active gunslinger till like 1902 lmao. Not red. + he’s way too old
@JackycakesV2 I know that. My post was a what if sorta like wait what! Kind of mystery reveal. And I think that would have been cool to tie in red dead revolver to the red dead redemption universe. Because as we all know rockstar already came out and said revolver and redemption are not in the same universe
I never thought for a second Uncle is Red Harlow. The ages do not match, also their personalities are completely different. Plus it wouldn't make sense for Red's character, his family was murdered by a gang, so why would he join a gang that kills a bunch of innocent people. Cause when they're doing robbery's and when police and law show up they kill them, they're just following the law and doing the right thing and try to bring them in. Those law enforcement officers are trying to bring bad folk in, and they get killed for it. Their kids left without father's, so why would he join a gang that inflicts the same pain and trauma he went through onto other innocent people?
He hates gangs and criminals, he became a bounty hunter to bring them to justice and kill them, as Red Harlow even said himself. "It never was about the money." Also another reason why the ages don't match, is because Red Harlow was in his early to mid 20s during Red Dead Revolver, which takes place in the mid 1880s. Meanwhile Uncle is in his 50s by 1899, also it would be really sad and depressing to see a badass become such a Buffon and joke of a person.
Great video Iv subscribed keep it up bro
4:34 what is uncle doing😳
Proudly showing his lumbago
@@erickvz5769 💀💀
Whilst I Wouldn't Be Surprised If Uncle Was A Beast Similar To Red Harlow In His Younger Days I Can Easily Agree That He Isn't Red Harlow Himself
I like to imagine Uncle being a badass before RDR2. Hopefully we'd get a prequel (to a prequel) that is about Uncle's past
Imagine at the end of that game Uncle's wife gets murdered by the big bad guy which leads to him killing him in revenge. Then after the game he just becomes a drunk. Or he has always been uncle like we knew him who knows
I can't believe the amount of arguments I've seen over this. Uncle doesn't even have the Scorpion Revolver. Kinda hard to believe he'd lose his father's revolver after all he's been through.
5:09 this one part is defiantly not true, Red Dead Revolver is in the same universe as rdr2, it just takes place in 1886, and rdr2 takes place in the end of the century, 1899-1907. But you can come across someone camping and if you talk with him, he brings up and I LITERALLY STATE, he says: “My brother’s dead, but he used to tell me stories about *Red Harlow.* the man who watches his parents get murdered right in front of him?” Edit: Ok, this came up later in the video, but I didn’t watch that part yet, sorry 😅
What if uncle is red harlow of the red dead redemption universe and not red dead revolvers???
No not a multiverse there too 😫
I believe uncle is the man who inspired the story of red Harlow since I also believe red Harlow is a legend in the rdr universe.
The amount of people who genuinely believe it and treat it as gospel constantly spewing it is beyond annoying
Nah, you are just a pussy for getting annoyed by their imagination. The video game timeline for this game is meant to have imagination by the player, so it's totally justifiable why they dwell into this lore of Uncle being Red.
Calm down its just fun to think about
@@jonboner2987 *The timeline of the Red Dead REDEMPTION games. Revolver is not a part of it.
@@KC.45 Again, that is the official canon explanation, but the viewer of an art can eventually see new perspectives of the painting. You must free your mind from these strict boundaries and guidances if you want to see the full picture my friend.
I agree.
It really is annoying.
6:00 Correct me if I'm wrong, but red harlows home isn't in the original red dead redemption, instead there is just an abandoned brick house falling apart at two crows. I looked all over and could not find it.
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Red Harlow is the fictionalized version of John as written by Jack
doubt it, Red is brought up by random people in camps while talking to john. if what you're saying was true, then it would be breaking the 4th wall in all the wrong ways
@@zonkers. In GTAV you can find an easter egg, a book called Red Dead written by J Marston. Redemption games are confirmed a separate universe and in those games they treat Red like a folk tale
@@KaitouKaiju still dont believe it as down in the bookshelf you can find a book made by H.Potter so unless its just refference i doubt there is a harry potger
I would say that Uncle is and also is not Red Harlow, as an example (Spoilers for jo jo part 6) Irene is the equivalent of Joylene they aren't the same person but they are the universal equivalent of them or reference to them.
I would say that uncle is 100% not red harlow, as an example (Spoilers for gamespot interview) the former vice president of R* games confirmed they aren't the same person but they do live in the same universe.
i am still in denial after reading stone ocean
@@poptartninja Big sad.....
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He’s got 1000 now
This channel so underrated
Even if red dead revolver was kind of based on the actual redemption series definitely one character in particular some exist which would be Annie Stokes bonnie Mcfarland is too heavily based on her. other characters including some of the weird bosses like pig Josh or the guy who has a coffin with a gatling gun inside would also fit in the same area of none existing characters.
How could Revolver be based on Redemption if Revolver was the first in the franchise and Redemption wasn't even out then?
There is a song on rdr2 called “Red” and in that song someone says how that love Red and that he is a good son
Given how he’s portrayed in Red Dead Revolver Red would never have joined up with bunch of murderous criminals to begin with. He hunted those types down.
I honestly don't think Uncle is Red, but I did enjoy this video. Good job
2 crows is not Red's house I think it was just a Nod by Rockstar The layout is different and I don't believe the Harlow's owned a donkey woman
Was the man who said he saw Annie Stokes just lying about it? He details the bull riding mission pretty accurately, even talks about her rifle.
Also, I dont think the Harlow's had a slave lady like the skeleton attached to the churn at Two Crows in Redemption.
Also, why only a single grave? I see two plaques there but still. Also, a cross? I dont think the Harlow's were catholic. Falling Star for sure wasnt, Red doesnt have, mention or practice a religion.
Although a lot of evidence points to uncle not being red Harlow. I still love the idea and theory that this wacky old man once upon a time was a badass gunslinger, until eventually time caught up with him.
But, unlucky for you that isn't the case.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent ok shush now
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent are you just a massive blowhard on the internet, or in real life too?
I've never played any of the older red dead games so I wouldn't know I'm not even close to finishing red dead redemption 2 yet its mostly because before my parents didn't let me play the games because I was to young I'm almost 16 now
Here’s how I see it. I think they take place in the same universe red dead revolver takes place in 1886 and then red dead redemption 2 Takes in 1899 and red dead redemption takes place in 1911 red Harlow kills the man who killed his father never to be seen again. There is a little evidence of him being Uncle from red dead redemption, two and red dead redemption, but I don’t think it’s true but I do think the one shot kid was a real person but not red Harlow but Uncle but I do think the story is in the same universe and is real .
The problem with your theory is that Rockstar confirmed there diff universes
@@Aressolostheverse4574 so they can’t say that nobody cares. Why can’t we just say it is they just bought the rights they didn’t create the game. It was already made. They bought the right and revive the game.
@johnschuch7090 Rockstar owns the rights to it whatever they say is canon
I wanna see red in rdr3
In some capacity, I don’t think he’s right as the protagonist but have him at least mentioned you know?
Revolver is a game loosely based on the stories about a real gunslinger and characters from the Redemption universe. Redemption is a game loosely based on the stories about real gunslingers and characters in our own universe.
It would have been nice to see red dead revolver and rdr1 and 2 in the same timeline and uncle be red
now the true question. was the stories being told about uncle but the sheriff change the name from Uncle to Red
@zonkers. Red Dead Revolver is set in 1888 or 1889.
Red Harlow was born in the 1860s. Uncle was born in 1849.
Red Harlow's parents were killed in the 1870s.
Uncle lost his parents when he was 9 years old.
Uncle was caught by the Skinners Brothers he was tortured and that explains the scars on Uncle's face.
No they are not...
Rdr2 plays on 1899. Uncle is 61 years old in rdr2.
Red Hawlow is on his young 20's in Read Dead Revolver. Red Dead Revolver plays during the 1880's...
If red Harlow was alive in rdr2 wouldn’t he be a legendary gun slinger in the Noblest of men and women side mission?
My opinion is they should remake the game red Harlow from back then to this year. They should make it again with better images like rdr 2. I know we all liked it back then for play station 2 from are child hood. But would it be great if rockstar brought red Harlow game out and turn it into the same game but with it looking like rdr 2 images
Hold on why would the developers say they don't take place in the same universe, and then mention his name in both of their red dead games?
What?
maybe we will see red harlow in rdr3 if rdr3 takes place before rdr2
would be cool if they completely re made red dead revolver
maybe if RDR3 is set in the universe of red dead revolver. But I doubt they'd do that.
Red Harlow in RDR 1&2 are just easter eggs to Red Dead Revolver as that game inspired this new 2 series.
Personally, I just can't see Red Harlow becoming a outlaw since Red decided to become a Bounty Hunter to fight against outlaws like the ones who killed his parents. Him joining the Van Der Linde gang is definitely out of character for Red Harlow
i went to Red's childhood home as red in red dead redemption 2 online
How were you Red Harlow in RDR2O?
Jack is personification of the Red Harlow
I dont see how a legendary bounty hunter could just fall in with a outlaw gang and rob and kill people after all he did
If there's said red dead revolver isn't in the same universe the red Harlow for redemption is different in many ways AND UNCLE
4:35 lmfao 😂 you can see all his lumbago showing
Could it not be possible that Uncle is still Red Harlow in the Redemption continuity, leaving room for minor changes in the backstory causing the inconsistencies that you pointed out in this video?
If it's two different universes with both men being the same person, doesn't that leave room for changes in decision making resulting in the inconsistencies?
I just don’t get how red would go from a bounty hunter to a outlaw
I would like to add to this point by saying though Uncle ain't Harlow, he was the One shot kid. Becuase if you play the game, in the tournament there is a Character that is called the "One Shot Kid" ans he looked young. Similar Personality.
It would be funny as hell if uncle is technically Red Harlow but Red is just the stories of uncle that overtime became a legend
Red Harlow was born in the south, Uncle was born in Ohio. End of the theory.
Umm akksssallyyy it isn't possible
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He is totally red harlow 💪🗿
If uncle was red Harlow then that means he would've been in all the red dead games
What if Jack became a new version of red Harlow ?🤔🤠
It still fun to think red dead revolver is uncles dream like red dead undead nightmare is Johns dream makes the most sense to me
Undead Nightmare is not a dream.
R.i.P Spider Madison 🙌
Could be a retconn as well? Maybe?
Played rdr as a kid, great times
Revolver^*
@@floydlawton9152 RDR could stand for
Red
Dead
Revolver
Unfortunately for you history will not see it that way
- Darth Maul
If uncle have the scars on his face he is red Harlow. But no scars on the face just an old man with lumbago
It doesn't take a science major to see that Uncle is not Red Harlow. They're each other's opposite in every way.
One thing that would prove it once and for all is using mods to shave off uncle's beard showing the rest of the scars that red harllow had if they exist then the theory is true if not then it's horse shit
Scars don't grow hair, So I think you'd notice the 5 bald patches stretching across both sides of his face. Plus one of the scars is on his nose so it wouldn't even be obscured by any facial hair at all.
I would love it if Uncle is actually just grifting on Red Harlows story, and trying to take some of those old stories as his own
How Uncle Is Red Harlow:
Red cloth
Lumbago nerfed Uncle
Slight Scars
Is known as the one-shot kid
RDR Community says Uncle is Red Harlow
I love to think they are the same person but it’s kinda obvious they’re not, just found ur channel I love to support smaller creators like me so I’ll subscribe
YOO NO WAY! dude i actually saw your video about micah awhile back and thought it was a masterpiece! this means a whole lot man thank you for the kind words. we got even better videos in the works
Honestly I’m more inclined to believe that Landon Ricketts is Red. Makes more sense than the Uncle theory.
Landon Ricketts doesn’t have scars
i just imagine rd revolv to just be a book or something for the rdr series,
I mean..definitly seems like a generic wild west movie or smth, and given how uncle red harlow is deconfirmed by Rockstar, idk man
In real life I asked Rockstar and they said Uncle is red Harlow
No
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I personally feel there are disagreements in Rockstar on how the the game fits; thus no consistent and concrete answer from the company. As for now, this is how I see it to make the most sense:
Red Dead Revolver is a fictional story written and inspired by the people in the author's life that goes by the name Jack Marston. His father had similar scars and became a bounty hunter to save his family. Motivated by revenge and in need of training on how to kill, Jack became a bounty hunter to hunt down the government official that betrayed his father; just like Red. He always wanted to be a writer. After his vengeance was laid to rest, he found his purpose in writing.
In my mind, the leader of the company/production (CEO, Founder or lead developer) should have the final say in what is cannon and what isn't cannon. To me that person is Dan Houser.
@@MrFriendlyCsgoContent Aaannddd he's gone.
@@DonnieDaniels Like if that made much of a difference. Rockstar has already stated 4 times by now that Red Dead Revolver is not in any way, shape, or form connected to Red Dead Redemption. People just don't like reading.
I can see why the Uncle theory is so popular and the one time uncle calls out Duch with him wating to be king, Uncle calls out Dutch / Hidden Dialogue / RDR2 Cinematic (edit) but in my own opinion why would uncle once the Red Harlow who brought justice to outlaws become an outlaw himself, i now once upon a time The Vanderlin Gang "Shot people who needed shooting, helped people who needed helping" but robbing banks of small towns/farming communities which uncle organised Rhodes bank heist lets not forget, feels off to me IDK
i know uncle isn’t red but i like to imagine he is since he’s some lazy old man who used to be one of the most notorious bounty hunters
i know uncle is not red harlow but part of me wants to say it is red harlow
us too brotha
Ain't uncle too old to be red harlow?
Yes, Red would be about the same age as Dutch or Hosea.
I believe if Uncle was Red Harlow, he would have the same pistol as Red Harlow and if he were Red Harlow he would have the same scars
Nah
Never understood why anyone thought this theory was true. Five seconds of using your brain should be enough to debunk the theory.
What if red Harlow did exist in the rdredemption but his story is exaggerated and red dead revolver is based on the exaggerated stories told about him
Because it's not the same universe that would be impossible. It would be the equivalent of me telling stories about a badass marine, only he actually exists in an alternate universe where it would be impossible for me to know his existence.
Uncle is not red harlow
Infact you can tell that by john in rdr1 and rdr2, he is the son of red harlow you can tell this by the hat and the conversation him and jack had in epilogue say his dad died at 7 years old
All 3 games red john jack share the same hat regardless of what we think or say the hats are the same and plus seeing red being a damn good shot would play into the fact he was a bounty hunter and taught john to shoot and john did the same because he was a damn good shot and ended up being a bounty hunter and this is wrapped into jack being a good shot and ended up being a bounty hunter
I’ve always never liked this theory ever since I was told about it. Never made any sense in terms of timeline and character, Red would never settle down with the likes of the Van der Linde gang due to him taking down outlaws himself. And personality wise Red and Uncle are completely different, yeah people say that people change but this is a complete character shift. Realistically I feel like Red’s fate after the events of Revolver is most likely death from the government after his revenge on Governor Griffin.
yeah it seems like anyone who wants this theory to be true just clutch desperatly to anything they can get their hands on and ignore all the obvious evidence pointing towards the facts.
There’s no specific date they say he was born or exactly when the game even takes place so any argument made using his birth date as evidence doesn’t hold up
Red Dead Revolver is set in 1888 or 1889.
Red Harlow was born in the 1860s. Uncle was born in 1849.
Red Harlow's parents were killed in the 1870s.
Uncle lost his parents when he was 9 years old.
Uncle was caught by the Skinners Brothers he was tortured and that explains the scars on Uncle's face.
I like the idea that their the same for the sake of coolness
The best of the sakes
It's only cool backwards not forwards, for everybody that played redemption first to go "ooh what if the lazy old guy was once a badass" cause nobody that played revolver wants the badass turned into some lazy loser
Uncle just cos-plays famous fictional gunslinger. Similar locations with different names is not a proof, Red Dead Redemption locations are also based on real location of our world, but different names - that's normal for fictional stories, to have some connection to world they exist.
What if hosea matthews is red harlow
What if hosea was red harlow?
For me Red was a concept fort John cuz of the mark he have ont the face exactly like John is juste my opinion
It’s so simple.
Red has visible scars on his cheeks, Uncle doesnt.
Scars dont heal and facial hair doesnt grow on them of through them.
Done 😂
red Harlow is a Native American that's why it's not uncle and I wonder if he s alive in 1899
I belive Uncle is Red but with a diferent story. Everything is open to interpretation
Nah
My opinion. What exactly about the LEGEND is actually accurate? We have already seen examples in 2 how Legends turn out to be lies like the gunslingers. If Uncle is Red Harlow, how much of his Legend would be exaggerated to fit a positive narrative?
Scars don’t erase. Done
No matter how many videos we make, the fan fic nerds will always disagree.
They always do.