Mario Party's Peach's Birthday Cake -- Designing for Bloat (featuring Tarvould's Quest!)
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- čas přidán 30. 08. 2018
- Extra thanks to Tarvould's Quest for getting this footage and playing with us! Check them out here: / @tarvouldsquest
Designing For is a series which looks at a level in gaming, and analyzes a theme central to that level's design. In this episode, we look at Peach's Birthday Cake from the original Mario Party, and how its design favoring a 50-turn game is lost, since most players simply don't have that kind of patience.
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Writing/Voiceover/Audio Editing/Gameplay: Tommy Eyler/Pyrrhickong/The Dryest Bones ( / pyrrhickong )
Script Editing/Image Editing/Video Editing/Additional Game Footage: Zack Frisbee/Goombachi
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If you'd like a direct link to the first in a series of Tarvould's Quest episodes that made this Designing For possible, try looking here: • Video
Also check out our video on Bowser's Big Blast in Mario Party 2, which uses luck in a much more succinct and engaging fashion: • Mario Party 2's BOWSER...
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As previously stated, most footage is captured by Tarvould's Quest.
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#marioparty #n64 #gamedesign - Hry
Guys, thank you so much for all those kind words!! No thanks needed! Playing 50 turns of Mario Party on Peach's Birthday Cake, while initially we assumed we were signing up for torture, ended up being an absolute blast. Huge thanks goes out to Tommy for allowing us to be a part of this incredible channel, never miss an episode. We love you too buddy!
Hm, I would like to check you out... someday. When my depression leaves, and when time is generous.
Man I had no idea Peach's Birthday Cake was designed for longer play times but this totally makes sense. It's just, on the odd chance I WANTED to play a 35 or 50 turn round of Mario Party, Peach's Birthday Cake wouldn't be my first choice.
actually after watching this video I have a lot of hope for the MP Superstars version of this board as the changes they are making to the board might make it way more enjoyable for 20 turn games. -the piranha plants make way more sense now with one plant covering two happening spaces
-due to items being introduced there will be way more strategy to where you land obviously to target/avoid for example the happening spaces
-I think they put goomba behind the star now therefore giving the opportunity to every player to buy at least one star at some point if they manage to earn enough coins in the first couple turns which can certainly be achieved through skill by winning enough mini games
let's see how it plays out on superstars but I honestly think the board might be fixed!
Nice job predicting the future
Peach's Cake was probably my favorite board from the 1st Mario Party... I remember using it a lot after my sister accidentally deleted my save file and I needed to build up my star count again to earn the two bonus boards. I guess I liked the linear, relatively short path; I never felt like I traveled a long way for nothing (like when Toad and Bowser switched places in Yoshi's or Mario's boards).
Funny how a giant cake stage causes bloat in a way you wouldn't expect at first.
That's what cake does.
4:37 The dream of every downtrodden, plumber hating lizard person: endless save state Bowser stomping.
I love this cake stage is the best part of Mario Party when I was a kid back then
The version of this board in Mario Party: Super stars looks better than the version in the original game.
It actually fixes a lot of issues he listed, there are more mini games, coins and items are given generously, I think there are less spaces and a short cut, so the plants can get out much sooner and still be an issue even in shorter games
They improved the new version ALOT.
Cooking with Bowser and Piranha Plant meta are fantastic. I love the silly effort you guys put into things that are gone in a moment.
50 Turns party plays in Mario Party is a insanely fun. Games repeating themselves have happen often for me in 20 Turn games. xD Maybe I'm a patient guy but with the right people a 50 Turn match can be incredible fun.
I also like to do that. Maybe I'm also patient enough, and I have a feeling that my chances of winning are higher the longer the game lasts. I often end up having many more Stars than everyone else at the end of a 50-turn game.
9:34 You do realize what you're making it look like with that censor bar...
Hey man, after 50 turns of Mario Party, anything can happen. The Piranha Plants seem REALLY into it regardless!
You said it!
And they put this in Superstars!
I guess I'm in the minority then. I play every board at 50 turns regardless. Always have. The repeating mini-games just never bothered me.
Same
Interesting Analysis! Makes total sense!
Never thought I'd end up coming back to a youtube channel for videos about a video game I hated as a kid. But these Mario Party videos are as entertaining as they are cathartic, and even helps me understand what went wrong for me all those years ago.
That, and the humorous inserts between gameplay clips get me every time. Big Fan Indeed.
The remake of this board in Mario Party Superstars is far more approachable because it make a nifty usage of the item system in that game when it comes to manipulating the movement thanks to the Goomba Lottery being moved to a junction after the Star space with an Item shop being placed before that junction.
and then the board is in mario party superstars.
I like how they fixed most of these problems by altering the piranha plants
I play 50 round games most of the time and at least 35 rounds. 15, or 20 feel way too short for me. The longer a Mario Party game goes the more biases, alliances and other self-made plots can happen. In short games, these stories can not bloom.
I myself liked the "stealing" of coins by winning the minigames in each round, although in hindsight it's not the best option in game design, because it doubles the change in distance between the players compared to just giving the winner(s) the coins. My favorite game in Mario Party to this day is Grab Bag. Perhaps it would have been best if the "stealing" still would be included (because I think it's great to bring the opponents just one coin under the necessary coins to buy a star) but lower the coins gained or lost. So either the winner of the game gets 15 coins (in a 3:1 game) and no punishment for the losers, or 9 coins and everyone else loses 3 (maybe also just 6:2, that must be tested).
That’s just the VS space
7:05 Western Land, Space Land and Bowser Land also have 2 Boos and Horror Land has 4 Boos and Big Boo
Everywhere I go people talkin' 'bout 20-turn games are best an' I'm sittin' thinkin' "how tf is my family the only ones that seem to do 50-turn and hate the new games omitting that option"
Feelin' like the world around me's pullin' another "Berenstein Bears" moment or somethin'
I normally play 35 Turns, as they call it the normal amount
I agree there are not enough minigames in a Mario Party so the same minigames repeat in a 50-turn game. And then there are even various minigame packs which don't contain all of the minigames, especially in Mario Party 5, 6 and 7. Of course I always select the All Games pack.
Great video! What is the music at about 3:50?
You either play at least 35 rounds games of mario party with me or you'll have to leave my house :D
This was very enjoyable to watch (low Abo number is very odd or is that a side channel?)
Every time I play Mario Party 2 I play up 50 Turn because I like long game No matter the board. Because I like all then
just wanted to ask, how do you feel about the game being remastered in mario party superstars (lets hope bowser land gets in!)
Bro i used to play 50 turn mario party games when i was little i thought big number meant it was better
Yeah, I had much more fun with this board when I increased the turn amount.
And now they're bringing it back for the new Switch Mario Party.... Hoo boy....
Yeah. My reaction to seeing that trailer was "Wait, isn't that one of the bad boards?" - Though bringing in boards from MP1, 2 and 3... What item set are they going to use and are they going to retcon items into MP1 boards? And do items make Birthday Cake Piranhas more or less enticing (More to spend money on... And more ways to force other players to land on your piranha)
They're actually fixing it though! There's now an item shop, you can buy a smaller less expensive Pirahna to steal coins, there's a junction near the top of the cake for easier lapping, and Goomba is in a better spot. They're not just copy pasting it.
@@chibi2239 And it looks really yummy!
And now there is going to be a remake of the first two mario party games and this board is the first thing shown to be one of the boards in the game.
Actually I always like to play 50-turn games in Mario Party and I don't do it for likes. I don't even make videos on CZcams.
Jokes on you, I regularly played 50 turn games all the way from MP 1 through MP 7. MP 4 kinda sucked tho ngl.
25 is the best
Indeed Mario Party is quite ass