See the fear mechanic is actually very accurate, in fact; you played a video of it earlier. That scene where the guys are throwing chairs at each other, but won't fully commit to a real fight, so they just end up going back and forth. 100% working as intended.
I know that the movie footage was distorted to avoid getting dinged by copyright bots but I just imagined that since it takes place in England everybody actually looks like that.
I like to imagine that the gameplay is just the lads embellishing their stories to Clive Darren, hence the high number of deaths and victories against overwhelming odds.
_"The Docks, better known as: The Docks,"_ continues to be my favorite running gag. Still one of the best in the game; never stop bringing critical eyes to eurojank and lesser known games.
I am not diminishing the effort nor effect of the longform Yakuza series, nor necessarily pigeon holing your content into niche, AA/A+ games long gone. Just love your pen game and editing.
if you gave me fifty guesses as to what this game's intended soundtrack would've been, i'm almost certain i never would've guessed "indistinguishable from killing floor's"
@@gabby3036 I think it might be nu-metal instead of death metal, but it's still a song about how abortion is bad and that prayer shouldn't be banned in school, produced specifically for the Killing Floor 2 OST. It's Dirge by Disunion Reconstructed.
You know, I always thought the whole "orks are just football hooligans" thing was a joke. Hearing all this stuff about actual hooligans I now realize it wasn't a joke. The resemblance is uncanny, except orks seem more eloquent in their language
40K originated in satire - it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. The whole thing is a big joke poking fun at war games, sci-fi and British culture. The Orks are indeed based upon football hooligans. The Space Marines are mocking hyper-masculine action heroes, while much of the Imperium is mocking Britain's somewhat xenophobic attitude towards immigration and confident sense of national superiority. That's how it started, anyway. The satirical elements have been slowly forgotten in more recent decades in the name of making more money. Games Workshop still gets to cry 'its satire!' whenever actual literal nazis start adopting the iconography of the Imperium though.
@@vylbird8014 I'm well aware. I was just trying to joke that I thought the idea of orks being hooligans was a wild exaggeration, but that after seeing what hooligans get up to (real and in this game, I don't really follow football) it seems to be less a satirical joke and more of a statement of fact.
@@vylbird8014 satire is not the right word and games workshop shouldn’t use it as a defense in the context of modern lore. You don’t need to tell someone that that the empire in starwars is satire and shouldn’t be followed, they are the bad guys. Everyone in 40k is the bad guy. You’d have to be stupid to think any of them are right except maybe the nids, because the sentient life in the 40k universe needs to die.
The McDonald's and Pokémon in the FMV aren't what surprised me the most in terms of copyrighted elements, it's the implication that the surviving members of Queen may have authorised the use of their songs for the chants on the loading screens
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 If that actually were to have happened, it still wouldn't be the weirdest video game thing to involve Brian May, given how he actually agreed to compose a track each for two of the worst fighting games in history, Rise of the Robots and Rise 2: Resurrection, the latter of which isn't even used in the game itself but is included in the disc anyway.
I think the reason why Football Hooliganism isn't in more games is because it requires game makers to know more about sports and ones who do know about sports are too busy making actual sport games
Do _actual_ hooligans need to know all that much about their sport? I'm hardly a hooligan myself, but I'm unconvinced it's totally necessary information going by what I've learned in this video.
This game truly embodies what I love about 2000s shovelware, it's not particularly well made but its experimental, has a ton of charm and wears its heart on its sleeve. So many games like this released back then, games that kinda sucked but were carried by the love and passion they exude, games that feel like they were made by real people and not thought up and iterated in a board room. I love that you put a spotlight on games like this as well as the other assorted Eurojank, it really takes me back to a time when I could grab a random game off the shelf and wind up with some fascinating new experience
@@Tehsnakerer "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard
Honestly, a gang based brawler in the same vain as The Warriors ps2 game but with football hooligans sounds like a blast that I wish someone would make now.
@@zyriantel9601 Tell me about it. I mean if an Uzi was the biggest dakka they could find I would understand; But they didn't even try. Could have at least glued the other two pistols to the Uzi, at the bare minimum.
Imagine Kiryu leading one of these- nevermind, he already does it in Y6 and K2. That man does everything. Should just replace Sonic already as the Mascot.
There's nothing quite like Eurojank. I think it's a combination of the brilliant ideas with botched execution and the often obscure nature that leads to them being totally lost to time that makes them so intriguing.
Reading that title now reminds me that the Orkz from 40k are partly based off of hooliganism. Yeah I shouldn't have forgotten about it, but between the fungal spores, endless dakka, and gestalt psychic energy, it's a minor detail compared to all of that.
are you saying football hooligans don't emit clouds of spores on death and aren't capable of shifting the axis of reality around their charmingly simple-minded understanding of problems?
Remember when people thought the hot coffee mod for one of the older Grand Theft Auto titles (San Andreas? Vice City? Don’t remember) was too spicy and inappropriate? Now CD Projekt Red just casually have sex and naked folks in their games and nobody bats an eye. Man, we’ve sure come a long way.
You don’t interact with sex in mainstream games still though, which was a major point of contention with hot coffee as shallow as it was. Overall we’re still at a point where consensual sex and nudity are treated as far worse than bloody, violent and gratuitous murder largely thanks to American puritanism.
Love the peeps saying it's amercians fault when Europe is WAY more hardass about banning games, especially sex scented ones. Fuck, it was the uk who was tossing the most shit when steam said it'd let sex games in the platform.
As a Brit who’s into football, the first hooligan film id recommend to anyone is the absolutely hilarious Green Street, featuring Elijah Wood and possibly the worst ever British accent captured on film.
Second this. What Charlie Hunnam was smoking I don't know. The fact that the film is directed by a German woman and is basically pro-hooligan makes it one of the weirdest films to exist, at least in concept.
"It's the tortoise and the hairy bastards! Run! Run you pillocks!" made my laugh far harder than it should have. Great video Snake, your new uploads are highlights of my day I swear.
Got my first "This video contains sensitive content are you sure you wanna watch" message before this. Honestly I'm in favour. All videos with Bri*ish people should have one of those tbh
I had a friend who wasn't really that into videogames, but really liked this one. It resonated with he's aestetics i think. 15 years ago he died by standing on a train and touching electrical wires, was a wierd lad.
As a Welshman myself I'm extremely relieved to hear you didn't have to come here. I wouldn't want a great man like yourself breathing in so much sheep air.
You can just never predict what Snakerer is gonna upload... Is it Yakuza? Is it some video about something somewhat relevant? Some weird way of playing some games? Videos about stuff that wasn't actually ever made? Or some weird jank no one has heard of in years? You certainly don't let things get stale xD Whatever it is, one thing is certainly for sure. It'll be hilarious, strangely insightful and tie me to my chair for the foreseeable future! Seriously, you just don't make something dull.
@@Tehsnakerer I just love it when you do videos on old games like these. Been a fan of yours since the Evo video lured me in. Still rewatch that video till this day
For very different reasons, the differences in strategy viability between the guide you looked up for the final mission and your actual experience reminds me of when I’d look up runs of Advance Wars missions in a similar way. For how predictable the AI in that game can be, it doesn’t move how you expect 100% of the time, so following someone else’s run one to one is basically impossible.
The narrator sounds like The Ancient Reptilian Brain from Disco Elysium. Maybe all these hooligans really are are the autopilotting system that forgot it's not supposed to be driving for this long.
2:37 I like how you make it sound as if being put on the German Index is something unusual while basically any remotely violent game in the 90s and early 2000s was either cut down a lot or wasn't allowed to sell in Germany. Some games (like Wolfenstein 3D) were even confiscated from stores and owners. Roughly 416 games, 1597 movies and 1984 music tracks and other audio stuff are on list A,B, and E of the German index (according to wikipedia)
I think it's an interesting bit of trivia still tbh, and relevant to Hooligans bit of controversy, I know Germany is ban happy (A mate has told me stories of crossing the border to pick up stuff many times), and I'd say 400 games out of the tens of thousands that exist is at least a noteworthy figure overall.
@@Tehsnakerer It definetely is, I just wanted to offer a german perspective as I thought that might be interesting for some. For the 400, you have to consider that they only checked games that released on disc in retail for a long time, and it also doesn't account for the amounts of game that had crazy cuts. Some examples: in the "no russion" mission in MW2, you couldn't shoot civilians in the German version. Many games released without blood or dead bodies (which was really shitty for games like cs were you don't have hit feedback except for blood), often the enemies were replaced by 'robots' (e.g. Contra). All wolfenstein games until the new 2 released had the swastikas and all other Nazi references removed.
@@Tehsnakerer What’s funny to me is some of the games that managed to dodge the index - like, right off the top of my head, Fatal Frame: game’s about a haunted mansion where everybody got horrifically slaughtered after a disgusting ritual to keep a literal gate to hell shut went wrong, seven other people turned up torn limb from limb, and now you’re stuck in that same mansion fighting everybody’s restless and mutilated spirits while slowly being cursed to death yourself. Not on the index, that game’s A-okay to play in Germany!
@@Yasokuhl35 never gonna forget how in the old German versions of Half Life 1 and CS:GO no one died, they just either surrendered or fell to the ground shaking their head in disappointment. Especially funny when everyone died to the bomb in CS GO and it just looked like they started praising it
"As flat and messy as a cutting board covered in sick, without the intrigue as to why" might be the most brilliant joke I've heard in a video essay to date. Excellent stuff, just excellent!
Honestly the FMVs are exactly what me and my highschool friends would have done if we were making a game during that year so I think its honestly really charming to see all these lads have a laugh and some good times while getting some work done. They all look like decent fun lads to hang with.
I'm so glad I saw this video. I am an amature game dev working on an RTS project in an urban setting and I was struggling to come up with a good angle and scale for my game. This games perfect - just close enough to see details, while far enough away to manage the scene. I've been in the sticks so long I'm starting to forget what a city looks like. Also, we really need more hooligan content. Spoken as an American hooligan. Workin class solidarity, innit?
Oh god, that moment they all went: "EEEH YOOO, EHHH YOOOO EEHH YO, EEEH YO", I first was hit with nostalgia that rather quickly got replaced by the remaining residue of all the nightmares and pure rage this game gave me when I was a kid ^^ Very ambitious little studio for sure :P "Shoot the Basterd" "EEEEEHHHH YOOO EHHHHH YOOOO EH YO EEH YOO" :') -edit- Those loading jingles are the best xD
In terms of unit management and map complexity, the game reminds me of Myth: Fallen Lords. It's a pity that the map cannot be rotated to better see the units behind the buildings
Also - the fact that you suggested post-punk as fitting music makes me think that post-punk fans must have a very different reputation in the UK than they do in the US
A remake of this game would be brilliant. I'm a lifelong Blackpool supporter (not from there though, I'm Scottish) and have seen the madness of hooliganism. Forget the Manchester derby, the West Lancashire derby is pure malice incarnate.
Oh yes, this game had the pearlclutchers clutching... well, their pearls. It was that time where people in charge were fluctuating wildly between their total disinterest in anything digital and wanting to ban it all. One thing I recall distinctly was a piece of merchandise: A brick with the game's logo on it, and the encouragement to smack your friends in the head with it so they could carry the logo forever.
I like these FMVs. Even a low-tier british Trailer Park Boys is still Trailer Park Boys..... and the game scenes are better than season 8. Black text on a BRIGHT-RED background though... Inexcusable. I get that red is a "passion/violence" color, so, just put red-on-black. Or use a standard white/black scheme and only use red to highlight key information.
This is one of the few videos I’ve seen that CZcams keeps putting a warning up for. Very odd. Also having loading screen jingles sing by the units in an RTS is actually amazing. That’s such a great idea.
Hooliganism can trace itself back to Chariot Races of Rome. It got so bad during the Byzantine era that one team losing enough became the foundation of a full on rebellion that spurred a whole legion coming in and killing a whole gaggle of chariot fans. So it's not surprising that monarchs of the high middle-ages would outlaw a growing sport that brings out the same tendencies.
its incredible civilized people can have so many common ancestors with the british, and yet when british topics are discussed it comes out as alien goobledigook
I remember finding this game on ALL of my school informatics class computers. Someone seemed to really like it to bother to install it on every single one. This was in Russia in 2008, btw.
Prime remaster/remake material. So many good ideas, such botched execution. The consciousness system in particular has AMAZING potential, very few games even acknowledge this aspect of combat. On another note, I remember seeing the disc copy of this game strewn about in many shops in my teenage years but never taking it seriously since many much better and newer games were available for about the same price. Now I'm proper kicking myself since even the SoldOut copy is ridiculously rare...
I wish someone would make a turn based strategy game based on football hooligans now. have it be like x-com enemy unknown; where your firm is located gives you different bonuses, distinct classes for your squad of hooligans, maybe the mission types are based around riots while others are mediated firm vs firm challenges. Could also do something like the panic level system where the more mayhem you cause in a country eventually causes a police crackdown and removes that country from play, you have to weight up how much property damage/collateral damage you can get away with before it forces the police to crackdown.
Loving Green Street as a kid has become a qunitessential part of British life. I've yet to meet a single lad around my age who didn't love Green Street when they were a kid. I'm not even remotely into football and I loved Green Street as a kid. I knew I was gonna enjoy this vid but I love it even more with that core memory unlocked
God, this video is a constant reminder of where the 40k orks drew their inspiration. Even da boyz needed ta get a few tips from da humies when it came to krumpin.
And, months after the video's release, the amount of "This video has graphic content" and "Explicit warning" youtube gives it is hilariously over the top for what is by all accounts a relatively tame experience. Like the only other time I had to a "I understand" button was when I wanted to listen to Wehrmacht by Sabaton!
With what feels like the endless tides of Arcanum reviews the big video essay people are doing atm, it's so refreshing to get some video game jank explored again. It's always amazing to me just what Tehsnakerer can dredge up, I've never heard of most of the games that get covered here but I always feel enriched by the knowledge.
I had no real knowledge on Hooliganism before this... and somehow I came out of this more curious about the Hooligan MMO of all things cause if its theme was even half like this it'd certainly be a fun concept.
One of the most bizarre games to ever be indexed in where I live, right next to another pure bizarre British game which, while neither a violent nor a zombie-infested or in the worst cases, some raunchy Ecchi game with sexy minors, got indexed also, this being believe it or not, Little Britain: The Video Game.
The second I heard you begin talking about needing to get the game running somehow I knew Skeletom was going to be a part of it. Also Let's go Germany for once again bringing out the index, a well working tool even today xD
Most stuff on the index is just 'no advertisement whatsoever. The games cd cover counts as advertisement' So in privately owned games stores you could often just ask for the stuff from under the counter. Wich will either give you a stack of porn or a selection of good games
@@gewuerzwanze5627 So what this game is included into? Teh showed that this isn't a good game, but also, while i won't judge what you're into, i don't think Belches are good wank material for mass market...
@@sponge1234ify im talking about stuff like dead island. Dead rising2. Xmen origins-wolverine and stuff like that. Apparently being 'too brutal' will get you indexed
Ah, hooligans. I remember playing this as a kid. It was the game that quickly got me in trouble for encouraging me to tell my teachers to "eat my shorts" and thus banned from anything of the sort for a good few years. What's interesting to me is that I could've sworn the second level was a bit different, because the second level I remember had you walking alongside the bus at the start, with it very slowly going from point A to point B, with barricades already in place and a LOT of police running around.
And funny little thing, I actually remember the supporters being surprisingly useful purely because they were bodies. Didn't matter how weak they were, damage is damage and extra time for stamina to get knocked down.
"I scuffed the face of God. It is our victory he allowed us to leave."
i can safely say I was not expecting such a line from a football hooligan rpg
French here. Can confirm, we are really frustrated at you Brits buying all our Uzis. Please give them back.
Parisians getting a bit too rowdy are they?
Amin kessab. Ah yes. "The new french"
It's so funny to me that this game is titled and narrarated like it's a ww2 game about trying to liberate Europe, and it's just about soccer rioters.
Its not really that different, but instead of liberating youre invading
Instead of the Germans messing everything up in Europe is the English that decided to give them a break by ruining everything themselves
See the fear mechanic is actually very accurate, in fact; you played a video of it earlier. That scene where the guys are throwing chairs at each other, but won't fully commit to a real fight, so they just end up going back and forth. 100% working as intended.
Very clever observation
I know that the movie footage was distorted to avoid getting dinged by copyright bots but I just imagined that since it takes place in England everybody actually looks like that.
I was mucking with filters to try and dodge bots, and yeah I just found myself laughing at the footage so much I couldn't change it
I like to imagine that the gameplay is just the lads embellishing their stories to Clive Darren, hence the high number of deaths and victories against overwhelming odds.
The Bri'ish are one of the most neglected Universal Horror Monsters.
People never put together that that's what Hammer was actually about
I've played Bloodborne, I know how horrifying the British are.
@@Varrekt I feel bad for those who played Bloodborne and still live in the UK, they literally missed the entire point of the game.
"You can bring civilization to Britain, but you can never bring Britain to civilization." -SsethTzeentach
Well they have millions of mummy's there. It' like everybody's got one.
_"The Docks, better known as: The Docks,"_ continues to be my favorite running gag.
Still one of the best in the game; never stop bringing critical eyes to eurojank and lesser known games.
I am not diminishing the effort nor effect of the longform Yakuza series, nor necessarily pigeon holing your content into niche, AA/A+ games long gone. Just love your pen game and editing.
The Docks joke started in the Mafia city didn't it?
@@altcenter4944 Gangland
It's actually an earworm curse. Every damn time I hear anyone say 'The Docks', my brain auto-inserts the 'better known as' bit.
idc about critical , snake's thoughts are just fun
51:45: Asymmetrical multiplayer game where one player is playing a city builder and the other's playing an army of yobs tearing it apart.
"We performed our first act of evil in this game: giving money to scalpers." Accurate.
if you gave me fifty guesses as to what this game's intended soundtrack would've been, i'm almost certain i never would've guessed "indistinguishable from killing floor's"
The OG or the one with that one pro life death metal song?
@@Gammera2000 "A pro-life death metal song" - a contradiction in terms.
@@gabby3036 I think it might be nu-metal instead of death metal, but it's still a song about how abortion is bad and that prayer shouldn't be banned in school, produced specifically for the Killing Floor 2 OST.
It's Dirge by Disunion Reconstructed.
Oh yeah, killing floor definitely exists
@@Gammera2000 knowing the opinions of the former CEO, that's wholly unsurprising.
You know, I always thought the whole "orks are just football hooligans" thing was a joke. Hearing all this stuff about actual hooligans I now realize it wasn't a joke. The resemblance is uncanny, except orks seem more eloquent in their language
allods online
orks are literally football hooligans
Same, I knew a bit about 40k Orks, but not much about hooligans, now, I can't help but feel bad for the Orks.
40K originated in satire - it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. The whole thing is a big joke poking fun at war games, sci-fi and British culture. The Orks are indeed based upon football hooligans. The Space Marines are mocking hyper-masculine action heroes, while much of the Imperium is mocking Britain's somewhat xenophobic attitude towards immigration and confident sense of national superiority.
That's how it started, anyway. The satirical elements have been slowly forgotten in more recent decades in the name of making more money. Games Workshop still gets to cry 'its satire!' whenever actual literal nazis start adopting the iconography of the Imperium though.
@@vylbird8014 I'm well aware. I was just trying to joke that I thought the idea of orks being hooligans was a wild exaggeration, but that after seeing what hooligans get up to (real and in this game, I don't really follow football) it seems to be less a satirical joke and more of a statement of fact.
@@vylbird8014 satire is not the right word and games workshop shouldn’t use it as a defense in the context of modern lore. You don’t need to tell someone that that the empire in starwars is satire and shouldn’t be followed, they are the bad guys. Everyone in 40k is the bad guy. You’d have to be stupid to think any of them are right except maybe the nids, because the sentient life in the 40k universe needs to die.
The McDonald's and Pokémon in the FMV aren't what surprised me the most in terms of copyrighted elements, it's the implication that the surviving members of Queen may have authorised the use of their songs for the chants on the loading screens
I have every doubt they were ever consulted
@@Tehsnakerer I have no doubt that that's the case, but the mental image of Brian May and co receiving the pitch to license the songs is very amusing
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 If that actually were to have happened, it still wouldn't be the weirdest video game thing to involve Brian May, given how he actually agreed to compose a track each for two of the worst fighting games in history, Rise of the Robots and Rise 2: Resurrection, the latter of which isn't even used in the game itself but is included in the disc anyway.
I like how as he gets angrier as the game progresses, his accent gets noticeably thicker and more hooligan ish.
"Vini Vedi, fuck you too!" Is the perfect description of how this game's combat plays out. What an odd little title.
You say that this is the only hooligan based RTS, yet there have been 3 Total War Warhammer Games and all of them let you play as the Orks.
Heck 3 has a whole Bulch faction
@@johnmccarrick3123 Complete with the world's catchiest theme song.
I think the reason why Football Hooliganism isn't in more games is because it requires game makers to know more about sports and ones who do know about sports are too busy making actual sport games
Maybe, but then I know basically nothing about sports and hey, I find hooligans fascinating
@@Tehsnakerer yeah but you're really weird no offence I wouldn't want you any other way
Its not about knowing more about rules n shit its about knowing your lose is always the referees fault
Do _actual_ hooligans need to know all that much about their sport? I'm hardly a hooligan myself, but I'm unconvinced it's totally necessary information going by what I've learned in this video.
@@LonelySpaceDetective Not really but they usually do enough to get along with the rest I think
I'm glad that living in a city infamous for hooliganism has finally paid off.
As a proud German citizen I have enjoyed sharing a simple meal by the warmth of a burning car wreckage every once in a while
@Charles Hastings It’s the little things in life
Neat
This game truly embodies what I love about 2000s shovelware, it's not particularly well made but its experimental, has a ton of charm and wears its heart on its sleeve. So many games like this released back then, games that kinda sucked but were carried by the love and passion they exude, games that feel like they were made by real people and not thought up and iterated in a board room.
I love that you put a spotlight on games like this as well as the other assorted Eurojank, it really takes me back to a time when I could grab a random game off the shelf and wind up with some fascinating new experience
This isn't shovelware
With all I learned about Britian in my life so far, I can only guess everyone is taught fisticuffs the instant they learn how to crawl or talk.
We're only civil cause we only know how to kick shit out of eachother
"If it can crawl it can brawl" My dad circa 1998 after making baby me fight the dog for me brekkie
@@Tehsnakerer "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
- Robert E. Howard
I love that they included more waves of supporters arriving by train; trains are integral to football firms. Some even include them on their patches.
That must be why hooliganism took off in Russia. Russians love trains.
@@runningcommentary2125 Turns out trains are kinda handy, you know?
Yea Leeds United Service
the scariest thing you could've uploaded for Halloween: a game exclusively filled with British people
The absolute terror
Yeah, almost shit my pants when i saw it.
Britain sure sounds like a scary place. Good thing it is all fictional.
Whatever do you mean by "Bri*ish """people""" "???
most normal british hater
The most immersion breaking thing of this game? The british actually having any guns.
There's none for everyday folk because the hooligans nicked them all.
@RRVCrinale i was going to say, of course the civis don't have any dakka, the hooligans have nicked them all already
As an American who knows nothing about hooliganism, this video sure is an inexplicable trip.
Also, I don't know why, but this is reminding me of the weird fucking RTS based on the Left Behind books of all things.
think of philly fans, but its like that for the fans of every team
@@abberss suddenly it all makes sense
@@abberss bruh, Philadelphia consists of more than 65% immigrants inheritage from Europe.
That reply made too much sense
@@frds_skce ah that explains why i hate them
I find it funny that they put a censor bar over the Pikachu in the credits, but not in the actual cutscenes
Honestly, a gang based brawler in the same vain as The Warriors ps2 game but with football hooligans sounds like a blast that I wish someone would make now.
This would be awesome. Should have a story mode that is like a hooligan version of Yakuza.
Definitely warriors aesthetic would be perfect
It’s funny how similar lads are to orcs, always happy to see them.
I would rather live with orcs than british.
what do you think orcs were based off?
more specifically, 40k's orks.
Not very good Orks though, since Leader units only scale up to an Uzi before deciding they have enuff dakka, the frauds.
@@zyriantel9601 Tell me about it. I mean if an Uzi was the biggest dakka they could find I would understand; But they didn't even try. Could have at least glued the other two pistols to the Uzi, at the bare minimum.
Imagine Kiryu leading one of these- nevermind, he already does it in Y6 and K2. That man does everything. Should just replace Sonic already as the Mascot.
he and ichiban pretty much are. It's like a crash and kratos situation
The clan battles were pretty fun!
@@thegamingprozone1941 Eh they were fun in 6, I really wasn't a fan of the defense system in K2.
kiryu would take down both sides singlehandedly.
@@ddjsoyenby Hell yeah
There's nothing quite like Eurojank. I think it's a combination of the brilliant ideas with botched execution and the often obscure nature that leads to them being totally lost to time that makes them so intriguing.
Spot on
In a way they're almost like cryptids with how hard it can be to even run them, given how old they usually are.
Quite often not brilliant ideas too.
Mate, you're a hard lad. You're a good bruv. Get us six pack of Carling and let's 'ead on down to Mazza's place.
awright
@@Tehsnakerer Pukka, thanks mate. The biddy running the place ain't let me back in since I nicked a pack ov chewits when I was ten
At least tell your yank cousin here it was the blackcurrant chewits? Else, let’s go smash the place in.
I like how this game presents Hooligans as like some kinda underground movement of anarchist warriors.
Reading that title now reminds me that the Orkz from 40k are partly based off of hooliganism. Yeah I shouldn't have forgotten about it, but between the fungal spores, endless dakka, and gestalt psychic energy, it's a minor detail compared to all of that.
ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ
are you saying football hooligans don't emit clouds of spores on death and aren't capable of shifting the axis of reality around their charmingly simple-minded understanding of problems?
@@CassandraFortuna at least not as hard or as efficiently as Orkz do
Hooligan was so true to its original inspiration, the European people even try to ban it.
Ah, the good old 00's era.
Remember when people thought the hot coffee mod for one of the older Grand Theft Auto titles (San Andreas? Vice City? Don’t remember) was too spicy and inappropriate?
Now CD Projekt Red just casually have sex and naked folks in their games and nobody bats an eye.
Man, we’ve sure come a long way.
@@zyriantel9601 San Andreas, and we never should have but the Yanks have never gotten past their origin story of puritanism.
You don’t interact with sex in mainstream games still though, which was a major point of contention with hot coffee as shallow as it was.
Overall we’re still at a point where consensual sex and nudity are treated as far worse than bloody, violent and gratuitous murder largely thanks to American puritanism.
Love the peeps saying it's amercians fault when Europe is WAY more hardass about banning games, especially sex scented ones. Fuck, it was the uk who was tossing the most shit when steam said it'd let sex games in the platform.
@@zephyr8072 Those are the standards across most ratings systems, though.
As a Brit who’s into football, the first hooligan film id recommend to anyone is the absolutely hilarious Green Street, featuring Elijah Wood and possibly the worst ever British accent captured on film.
Second this. What Charlie Hunnam was smoking I don't know. The fact that the film is directed by a German woman and is basically pro-hooligan makes it one of the weirdest films to exist, at least in concept.
After watching that one you gotta watch cass actually follows the story of the bloke who lead the real west ham firm the ICF
Football Hooligans are just the Bri'ish Yakuza (Charlie Kazoomer, 'Ol Goro the Cyclops, Shane Purple Akiyama)
Ol’ Ichiboy and Tiger Saejima, don’t forget those guys.
I’m still trying to think of one for Yagami, for some reason he’s harder for me to riff on.
@@zyriantel9601 Yagami is still a hidden cop in this timeline, but far more obviously so, so he's billy no mates.
@@sponge1234ify Yagami No Mates?
"It's the tortoise and the hairy bastards! Run! Run you pillocks!" made my laugh far harder than it should have. Great video Snake, your new uploads are highlights of my day I swear.
The loading screen music is beautiful. Finally, something for me to be proud of my country for.
Someone better rip those and post them online.
Not only is this one of the 'ardest videos I've watched, it is (was, thankfully) one of the 'ardest videos to get to watch
This is the best 40K Ork simulator I’ve seen. Love it to bits already.
Dont you mean love to... gits?
Orait, orait, i see meself out
@@oz_jones See yerself out? What is ya, a bleedin’ Weirdboy?
I didn't know Snake drank Hobgoblin but I am completely and utterly unsurprised that he does
It's the go to
I think he referenced that in his White Gold video, if not that, then another one of the Xenus games
Got my first "This video contains sensitive content are you sure you wanna watch" message before this.
Honestly I'm in favour. All videos with Bri*ish people should have one of those tbh
0:40 I'm on to your secret plan to take over the Yakuza series and make it British. YOU WON'T FOOL ME!
Yeah but are you gonna tell me that wouldn't be really funny
@@Tehsnakerer So what are the three Fighting Styles besides the obvious Rugby? Upper Class Twit and Rozzer maybe?
@@arskakarva7474 Rough c**t (brawler), Dodgy b*stard (rush), and hench (beast)
@@Tehsnakerer The starting style should be the worst and be called "Absolute Tosser/Wanker"
@@Tehsnakerer a pre Yakuza 0-style revelation could be catching a glimpse of hockey and learning a heat action that's just jerseying the opponent
I had a friend who wasn't really that into videogames, but really liked this one. It resonated with he's aestetics i think. 15 years ago he died by standing on a train and touching electrical wires, was a wierd lad.
Why did he do that?
@@gloglablyn Sometimes ya just gotta explore the world by touching weird things.
@@planescaped ah, ok, at first I thought you were making a 40k reference, but now I get you.
Dont you mean wired?
As a Welshman myself I'm extremely relieved to hear you didn't have to come here. I wouldn't want a great man like yourself breathing in so much sheep air.
You can just never predict what Snakerer is gonna upload...
Is it Yakuza? Is it some video about something somewhat relevant? Some weird way of playing some games? Videos about stuff that wasn't actually ever made?
Or some weird jank no one has heard of in years?
You certainly don't let things get stale xD
Whatever it is, one thing is certainly for sure. It'll be hilarious, strangely insightful and tie me to my chair for the foreseeable future!
Seriously, you just don't make something dull.
Thanks a ton for the kind words!
I'm sure he is actually recording a playthrough of REEPERBAHN SIMULATOR since he's finished with Hooligans :')
@@Tehsnakerer I just love it when you do videos on old games like these. Been a fan of yours since the Evo video lured me in.
Still rewatch that video till this day
For very different reasons, the differences in strategy viability between the guide you looked up for the final mission and your actual experience reminds me of when I’d look up runs of Advance Wars missions in a similar way. For how predictable the AI in that game can be, it doesn’t move how you expect 100% of the time, so following someone else’s run one to one is basically impossible.
The narrator sounds like The Ancient Reptilian Brain from Disco Elysium.
Maybe all these hooligans really are are the autopilotting system that forgot it's not supposed to be driving for this long.
I’d love to play an mmo where I could be a football hooligan and shout barely coherent slurs at the enemies. Guess I’ll have to make do with this.
It would have a language filter that stopped you if you tried speaking in full sentences
You can always just go to actual football games. No game is as massive as real life afterall
I never get tired of your wordplay.
Tehsnakerer's next video:
Honkai Impact: A bit too Honkish (Featuring a boy-molesting maid from Manc)
Hooliganism goes back to at least the 6th century AD see the Nika Riots as an example, granted that was chariot racing hooliganism.
2:37 I like how you make it sound as if being put on the German Index is something unusual while basically any remotely violent game in the 90s and early 2000s was either cut down a lot or wasn't allowed to sell in Germany. Some games (like Wolfenstein 3D) were even confiscated from stores and owners. Roughly 416 games, 1597 movies and 1984 music tracks and other audio stuff are on list A,B, and E of the German index (according to wikipedia)
I think it's an interesting bit of trivia still tbh, and relevant to Hooligans bit of controversy, I know Germany is ban happy (A mate has told me stories of crossing the border to pick up stuff many times), and I'd say 400 games out of the tens of thousands that exist is at least a noteworthy figure overall.
@@Tehsnakerer It definetely is, I just wanted to offer a german perspective as I thought that might be interesting for some.
For the 400, you have to consider that they only checked games that released on disc in retail for a long time, and it also doesn't account for the amounts of game that had crazy cuts. Some examples: in the "no russion" mission in MW2, you couldn't shoot civilians in the German version. Many games released without blood or dead bodies (which was really shitty for games like cs were you don't have hit feedback except for blood), often the enemies were replaced by 'robots' (e.g. Contra). All wolfenstein games until the new 2 released had the swastikas and all other Nazi references removed.
@@Yasokuhl35 Return to Castle Waffle Stein. Where you battle delicious waffles to save the golden beer stein ja.
@@Tehsnakerer What’s funny to me is some of the games that managed to dodge the index - like, right off the top of my head, Fatal Frame: game’s about a haunted mansion where everybody got horrifically slaughtered after a disgusting ritual to keep a literal gate to hell shut went wrong, seven other people turned up torn limb from limb, and now you’re stuck in that same mansion fighting everybody’s restless and mutilated spirits while slowly being cursed to death yourself.
Not on the index, that game’s A-okay to play in Germany!
@@Yasokuhl35 never gonna forget how in the old German versions of Half Life 1 and CS:GO no one died, they just either surrendered or fell to the ground shaking their head in disappointment. Especially funny when everyone died to the bomb in CS GO and it just looked like they started praising it
56:26
"We are not leading a crack squad, at best we are a squad on crack..."
This joke made me laugh more than i thought...
"As flat and messy as a cutting board covered in sick, without the intrigue as to why" might be the most brilliant joke I've heard in a video essay to date. Excellent stuff, just excellent!
A game featuring the spookiest creatures on Earth: The British, very seasonally appropriate.
Honestly the FMVs are exactly what me and my highschool friends would have done if we were making a game during that year so I think its honestly really charming to see all these lads have a laugh and some good times while getting some work done. They all look like decent fun lads to hang with.
Unfortunately they're now probably all in or nearing their 60s.
I'm so glad I saw this video. I am an amature game dev working on an RTS project in an urban setting and I was struggling to come up with a good angle and scale for my game. This games perfect - just close enough to see details, while far enough away to manage the scene. I've been in the sticks so long I'm starting to forget what a city looks like.
Also, we really need more hooligan content. Spoken as an American hooligan. Workin class solidarity, innit?
Innit, best of luck with the game
Oh god, that moment they all went: "EEEH YOOO, EHHH YOOOO EEHH YO, EEEH YO", I first was hit with nostalgia that rather quickly got replaced by the remaining residue of all the nightmares and pure rage this game gave me when I was a kid ^^ Very ambitious little studio for sure :P "Shoot the Basterd" "EEEEEHHHH YOOO EHHHHH YOOOO EH YO EEH YOO" :')
-edit- Those loading jingles are the best xD
Game: God save the Queen!!
Tehshaker: Yeah about that...
That's morbidly funny. XD
Honestly?
I agree.
The idea of an RTS game that's based on football game rioting sounds pretty fun.
I had to click three content warnings to watch this video so the game must be truly 'ard.
Holy shit I forgot this game existed and thought it was a fever dream
Cannot blame you
Sold Out launcher was a bit of Nostalgia I wasn't expecting.
I wish more of these weird obscure games got on digital storefronts.
So HARD the H just up and Left
Got too 'igh up
3:30 is that a westham supporting Adachi? now THAT is evil
In terms of unit management and map complexity, the game reminds me of Myth: Fallen Lords. It's a pity that the map cannot be rotated to better see the units behind the buildings
People overseas might think hooligans don't exist in America but they do. We just call them Raiders Fans.
Bulch likes his Peekerchu
nobody touches fluffy animal
Also - the fact that you suggested post-punk as fitting music makes me think that post-punk fans must have a very different reputation in the UK than they do in the US
Norf FC the game. What a hidden gem lol.
A remake of this game would be brilliant. I'm a lifelong Blackpool supporter (not from there though, I'm Scottish) and have seen the madness of hooliganism. Forget the Manchester derby, the West Lancashire derby is pure malice incarnate.
Oh yes, this game had the pearlclutchers clutching... well, their pearls. It was that time where people in charge were fluctuating wildly between their total disinterest in anything digital and wanting to ban it all. One thing I recall distinctly was a piece of merchandise: A brick with the game's logo on it, and the encouragement to smack your friends in the head with it so they could carry the logo forever.
I like these FMVs. Even a low-tier british Trailer Park Boys is still Trailer Park Boys..... and the game scenes are better than season 8.
Black text on a BRIGHT-RED background though... Inexcusable. I get that red is a "passion/violence" color, so, just put red-on-black. Or use a standard white/black scheme and only use red to highlight key information.
This is one of the few videos I’ve seen that CZcams keeps putting a warning up for. Very odd.
Also having loading screen jingles sing by the units in an RTS is actually amazing. That’s such a great idea.
The sequel should be about 2 powerful firms taking over all of Europe. A war between the Global Defense Innitiative and the Brotherhood of Sods.
Hooliganism can trace itself back to Chariot Races of Rome. It got so bad during the Byzantine era that one team losing enough became the foundation of a full on rebellion that spurred a whole legion coming in and killing a whole gaggle of chariot fans. So it's not surprising that monarchs of the high middle-ages would outlaw a growing sport that brings out the same tendencies.
its incredible civilized people can have so many common ancestors with the british, and yet when british topics are discussed it comes out as alien goobledigook
TimeSplitters 2 OST is goated, great choice
Don't worry,There already was a game about Hooligans terrorizing people.
It's called Baldies for the MS-DOS and Atari Jaguar.
I remember finding this game on ALL of my school informatics class computers. Someone seemed to really like it to bother to install it on every single one. This was in Russia in 2008, btw.
Prime remaster/remake material. So many good ideas, such botched execution. The consciousness system in particular has AMAZING potential, very few games even acknowledge this aspect of combat. On another note, I remember seeing the disc copy of this game strewn about in many shops in my teenage years but never taking it seriously since many much better and newer games were available for about the same price. Now I'm proper kicking myself since even the SoldOut copy is ridiculously rare...
"Upcoming Saints Row 2022 video"
My condolences.
It was... an interesting experience
everyone knows there would be so many obese dudes going "LETS GO ENGLUND" and bash a drum in that mmo.
16:44 The stats screen reads more like the outcome of Britain as a country in 2022
This is a certified “Barry, 63” moment
CAM ON INGERLAND
SCOR SOM FACKIN GOALS
I wish someone would make a turn based strategy game based on football hooligans now.
have it be like x-com enemy unknown; where your firm is located gives you different bonuses, distinct classes for your squad of hooligans, maybe the mission types are based around riots while others are mediated firm vs firm challenges.
Could also do something like the panic level system where the more mayhem you cause in a country eventually causes a police crackdown and removes that country from play, you have to weight up how much property damage/collateral damage you can get away with before it forces the police to crackdown.
God bless you Skeletom, you technical wizard.
Loving Green Street as a kid has become a qunitessential part of British life. I've yet to meet a single lad around my age who didn't love Green Street when they were a kid. I'm not even remotely into football and I loved Green Street as a kid. I knew I was gonna enjoy this vid but I love it even more with that core memory unlocked
God, this video is a constant reminder of where the 40k orks drew their inspiration. Even da boyz needed ta get a few tips from da humies when it came to krumpin.
That ending where, much like the game, you make it devoid of music just to keep to theme.
And, months after the video's release, the amount of "This video has graphic content" and "Explicit warning" youtube gives it is hilariously over the top for what is by all accounts a relatively tame experience.
Like the only other time I had to a "I understand" button was when I wanted to listen to Wehrmacht by Sabaton!
With what feels like the endless tides of Arcanum reviews the big video essay people are doing atm, it's so refreshing to get some video game jank explored again. It's always amazing to me just what Tehsnakerer can dredge up, I've never heard of most of the games that get covered here but I always feel enriched by the knowledge.
I like how this game makes his accent get increasingly thicker.
I had no real knowledge on Hooliganism before this... and somehow I came out of this more curious about the Hooligan MMO of all things cause if its theme was even half like this it'd certainly be a fun concept.
Gotta respect the hell out of Snake for not editing out the like 5 total seconds of real violence that got this video age-restricted
The hooligans sound hilarious and I can't take them serious. Makes it even better when they get angry or more serious.
One of the most bizarre games to ever be indexed in where I live, right next to another pure bizarre British game which, while neither a violent nor a zombie-infested or in the worst cases, some raunchy Ecchi game with sexy minors, got indexed also, this being believe it or not, Little Britain: The Video Game.
The second I heard you begin talking about needing to get the game running somehow I knew Skeletom was going to be a part of it.
Also Let's go Germany for once again bringing out the index, a well working tool even today xD
Most stuff on the index is just 'no advertisement whatsoever. The games cd cover counts as advertisement'
So in privately owned games stores you could often just ask for the stuff from under the counter.
Wich will either give you a stack of porn or a selection of good games
@@gewuerzwanze5627 So what this game is included into? Teh showed that this isn't a good game, but also, while i won't judge what you're into, i don't think Belches are good wank material for mass market...
@@sponge1234ify im talking about stuff like dead island. Dead rising2. Xmen origins-wolverine and stuff like that.
Apparently being 'too brutal' will get you indexed
A hooligan mmo?
Sounds like you thought of a WoW in the modern day.
It would have been the first actual WoW killer
a wow where the humans are brits, the elves are posh, the trolls are chavs, and the orks arent the least intelligent species.
Ah, hooligans. I remember playing this as a kid. It was the game that quickly got me in trouble for encouraging me to tell my teachers to "eat my shorts" and thus banned from anything of the sort for a good few years. What's interesting to me is that I could've sworn the second level was a bit different, because the second level I remember had you walking alongside the bus at the start, with it very slowly going from point A to point B, with barricades already in place and a LOT of police running around.
And funny little thing, I actually remember the supporters being surprisingly useful purely because they were bodies. Didn't matter how weak they were, damage is damage and extra time for stamina to get knocked down.
This is the only CZcams video I've ever seen that gives me a content warning everytime I view it.