Trilaminated Longbow by Flagella Dei - Review
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- Almost a must have in the every bow arsenal.
Just to have a good looking and performing longbow on hand, which does not break the bank
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I always enjoy myself when I take this bow to the range. I use slightly heavy arrows (almost 600 grain bamboo) and don't grip the bow too tight, that reduces the hand shock. But for me that's all part of the English longbow experience. ;-)
I've got this bow at 60lb @ 31" , currently shooting 600gn pine shafts quite nicely & 520gn spruce arrows a bit quicker lol. I asked Richard head longbows about using a taper tool with bamboo shafts & got told traditional longbows don't shoot bamboo arrows lol. We both know that's not accurate 😂
@@jonc67uk And what is the handshock like?
@@chroma6947 Not very nice tbh. I had to build the handle up a bit with cork & re wrap with thong to make it more comfortable to use. It's a painful wrist slapper regardless. I'd get a decent string for it when you know your exact length as the included string didn't last long with mine before it broke a couple of strands..
Your videos are always informative yet very laid back, some of your expressions make me smile, keep it up Armin.
Got this bow in 96#@28", 154.00 Eur plus shipping. Here a few things about this bow:
1. after removing the handle wrap I discovered that the back of the bow is spliced together. Two pieces of Osage wood instead of one!
2. the transition from bow to horn nock is very slim just 14mm. Add to this that the bowyer also removed material from the back of the bow and so weakened the bow structure in this area. Considering the draw weight the bow/nock transition looks prone to break. So I glued a wrapping around both ends and whipped it with thread for reenforcement.
3. the bow string is a Flemish twist string made of dacron, not the best material for this draw weight of nearly 100# as it stretches to much. Worse the loop of the Flemish twist came apart at brace height!! So I ordered a new FF string from a bowyer who makes and shoots English Warbows!
4. the overall making looks rough. There are some scratches on the back of the bow in the handle area and the sides of the bow show some uneven cutting. Out of the box the wood felt very dry so I waxed the bow properly.
I have not shoot the bow yet as I am still waiting for the new string to arrive so I can't comment on performance yet.
So far I would say the quality of the bow reflects its price!
Thanks for your info
Hello, out of curiosity. What material did you use to wrap the ends?
Not a longbow person either but I still think it's cool. Nice review!
I would like Malta Archery T-shirt that says, "It kicks the arrows nice away."
Ha! I was the one who pointed out you haven't done a review of this bow, really glad that you made the review :)
all for my subscribers :D thank you
''it's a broomstick..'' hahahhahahahhahaah got to love it !
Here , We remember Azincourt 1415!!!
Long bows, mud, and french stupid tactic built our disaster 😄
Fortunatly archery is practiced in peace now !! (For the moment..... 😄😄😄)
Great thank's Meister Armin for this review🙏😊🙏
Richard "Azincourt survivor" Coeur de Lion 👍😎🏹🇫🇷
Thanks for the review.
I've got a 68# Flagella dei longbow which I use for roving.
It casts arrows very well and has proved very durable so far, I've owned it for about two years.
Lovely to see you with a Longbow, Armin! I have a very similar bow by another bowyer. I had not thought to try my thumb draw with it but you make it look so graceful!!!!
This time Khatra doesn't come naturally.. 😊.. longbow review by Master Armin after a long time.. refreshing video..informative as always ...
Very nice as always , you are honest with everything you do and it's nice to get honesty. I'm a lover of recurve bows thanks to you , much love and respect , happy new year to you Mr Armin
i'd like to buy my first traditional longbow and found your video. Unfortunately now the price is doubled (267 euro) do you think is still worth buying or looking for something else? is the hand shock a prerogative of every longbow or are there some high end bows that doesnt have it? thank you very much
The Sun always shines in Lija...…..even in January!! Enjoy!!. Stewart.
The Medieval Longbow like the Manchu Bow was designed to shoot long heavy arrows and drawn to 30-32 inches.. The bow was tillered to describe an arc at full draw "Compass" and did not have a stiffened handle section like a modern version which are designed for target archery. I understand it might be difficult for you to get your hands on one but if you can they are a very different bow to the Victorian designed modern Longbow.
Kind regards
Kublaicarl.
Hahaha.. funny.. i love it when you use thumb release on that bow.. cool
Clearly not a toy for me (too long, too brutal^^) but seems to be a really bow, well made and on the budget. :)
Happy new year Armin and thank your for your passion!
In my experience English longbows like heavy arrows. 10 grains per pound or more. Helps remove the hand shock. Making arrows at 12gpp when your bow is 95lbs plus is less fun
WOW just WOW!
Great stuff! I I got a samick Cheetah 45#68"with arrow rest cut out (not a centershot) and drow it to the earlobe 30-31" medi/style which opens up all the passion of this bow and provides for the most powerful but not very accurate shot (who cares about accuracy if the purpos is to hit as hard as possible 100 kgs of frantic enemy meat anyplace in close combat situation))Otherwise I shoot it 3 under 28" drow it is very accurate but dull and absolutely unforgiving for a slightest technical mistake! Happy New Year and merry russian christmas today!
This video brings back memories. I actually started in archery with a longbow that I made very similar to this one. Looking back I don’t know how I shot so well with it. I’ve gotten to where I can’t stand a bow that flexes in the handle. Great video, thank you Armin. I hope you have an excellent year!
They should very we,l. Long and very stable.
That long bow is awesome💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍💯
Main advantage is speed of production, which is welcome during wartime.
A change of speed from the horsebows, very nice. Take care and shoot well in 2020 Armin.
Looks like good value, especially given the higher draw weights on offer; usually costing a premium on many Longbows. An enjoyable review.
Thank you for this video as a nice surprise from the Three Wise Men. :)
Always nice to see you shooting all the different kinds of bows, Happy 2020 and looks like you have a lot more fun bows to review!
Is there any kind of (traditional)bow you haven't shot before?
Excellent review as always Armin. FD make fine bows at a reasonable price. I own several of their bows mostly horse bows ie Scythian and Hun. I have an Osage orange ELB: 66lbs @28". To be honest as I enter my dotage I find this bow too heavy to shoot comfortably. Anyway, I ordered this trilaminate bow over a week ago and it is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I'm very excited to shoot this bow on my home range, tomorrow! At 40lbs @ 28" this should be a fun bow to shoot. Flaxen Saxon.
Quick way to debunk the 60º angle test: imagine to have on that longbow very VERY short siyahs or recurved tips (let's say 1cm!). Now you could technically have whatever angle you want, but the bow geometry would be basically the same.
There's probably some angle that tells us something useful, but it can't be the one between the string and the limb tip.
That 60º angle that empirically seems to work for many bows must be the result of some common geometric proportions (and so it's maybe useful anyway, within reason), but the real indicator must be somewhere else.
where could the real indicator be?
@@ArminHirmer Honestly, I don't know, I never studied the details of bow mechanics and dynamics. Maybe some measurement that takes into account how and where the limbs flex. I believe there is some value in your method - until someone finds a better one - at least for comparing similar bows; I wonder, however, how useful it can be when used to compare bows with substantially different designs like an Asiatic bow and a longbow.
Thank You sir for sharing the good stuff👍🙏
That's a big Bow!! I have never seen one in person so this may be a Silly question: When shooting a bow That Long: will a Bow ever try to twist in your Bow hand, as you Draw with your Arrow hand? Great video!!
These long long bows are quite stable, no twist
Actually 7 inches brace hight is quite a lot for long bow, they are usually around 6 inches. I make most of my bows my self, and i have made 8 long bows, from 30 to 55 punds draw weights, with bending and non bending handles, and all of them having 6 inch brace hight, and never needed arm quard, cus if u hold yor wrist straight it will not hit it.
Could you please point me to the video about 60 degrees you mentioned here? I don't know what you're talking about and must have missed your video about this.
I have had a 66# long bow from FD out of osage for over 2 years and love it still. Great video as usual! Thanks! Edit: Do you have a chronograph you would recommend?
I just made a video about it a few days ago, you can check it out
czcams.com/video/9mT8YHmY930/video.html
@@ArminHirmer Thanks!!
Happy new year Armin !!!!!!
wait .... how is the bow strung ? I would expect the string to rest in the groves in the reinforced tip part ... but in the draw weight mesurement part it rests before at leas on the right side ... am I missing something ?
on the top is a second notch for a stringer
Have you done a review on the english longbow from flagella dei?
Yeah I had once the Osage orange here
how long would the longbow need to be to have 60° string angle at 32" draw length?
Like yumi length lmao 70 inches +
Maybe this so called "actionboo" is just bamboo - with a bit of marketing in it?
Why do people always tell that handshock is normal with an elb? With a well made one it is definitly not a problem at all! But with a cheap crutch like this it is surely normal.
Never shot one without... And I mean compared to a asiatic reflex bow. Once you shoot a bow like this you will feel what I mean
@@ArminHirmer I will never shoot a crap elb. Why should I? I valuate my shoulder ligaments and for 500€ up I get a worldclass elb made of alpine yew without vibrations and shock or for 300€ up ne that is made of hickory, hazel... But for little money you only get handshock. By the way I already shot many different warbows, elbs, horsebows...
What does angle of the string effect the bow exactly?
60° string angle is the most efficient at propelling something forwards especially heavy arrows. When you push against something with your body you automatically push at 60° for the most efficient use of your strength
2nd comment, yay! Happy new year to you too Armin!!!
donde compro
ok but my prof fred you know now :) say at me is not grip :( and this bow is bad :) his bow to fred id 50# at 27" yew=if is near 197f/s fast fligth arrows alu easton :) 3 feathers is wonderful english bow traditional :) no lamilate :( cut from the mass handmade :) but the price is near 1.500€ and long delay :)
can i buy this bow from the united states
They ship worldwide
I love your videos but with long bow I've always been taught never to hold it at full draw so seeing it sitting at 28" hurt me a little 😅
for demonstration purpose I had to. and it is a laminated bow which is a bit more forgiving
@@ArminHirmer :) We here always fingers Xcross at this moment...well, rather minuites long...
Thanks Armin, I always wondered how good Flagella Dei bows were. You'd probably prefer one with a more built up grip like my Bickerstaffe or Del the Cat longbows.
Wow, what a deal for that bow. Can you get it in the US?
sure, they ship worldwide
@@ArminHirmer , Scott Smith: yes, we ship worldwide with DHL. To the States as a daily routine. ;) Thank you!
If you’d like to give yourself the creeps then remove the handle wrapping. The osage wood of the belly is made from 2 parts glued together (at least on my bow). When you remove the wrapping, you can see that. The problem is, that makes the belly weak. Usually it´s no problem to shoot such a bow without arm guard, but in this case the string slaps right into your wrist, due to the weak belly. In my opinion the bow is not reasonably prized- it´s cheap. I can´t recommend such a poorly made bow. So everybody who plans to purchase that bow, be aware of that
Greets
Don’t have this bow anymore, but good to know
esos arcos
did you say 15 pounds? shooting at 8 m? Seriously, mine is 53 pounds and I love it.
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great "movie" thx Armin! flagella dei = Whip of God = Attila
who was a Manicheanist Christian, every other statement is a lie
and as we know, lies always have a good reason ....
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