Transgender Women Competing In Sports: LGBT Doctor Analyzes The Scientific Truth
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- čas přidán 6. 01. 2022
- Transgender Women Competing In Sports: LGBT Doctor Analyzes The Scientific Truth
Let’s, in the most respectful way possible, dive into the dicey subject of competing in sports as a transgender female. Instead of purely giving you my opinion, you’ll find this video unique because I’m going to back this up for you with legitimate research publications and scientific literature.
Why am I going to inform you about all of this?
Well, I’m in the LGBT community, gay, a doctor, and I’m definitely a trans ally. I think that this combination allows me to kindly inform you about this topic from an evidence-based approach that allows us to walk in the light of the truth. We can look at what science says and also be polite about the subject, how there are natural biological differences between transgender and cisgender women. There’s a very important distinction in the types of events we talk about, that are vastly different:
1. There are transgender women who play sports in non-competitive settings, like a local intramural soccer team for example
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2. A legitimately competitive event where there is a high value based upon how you place. Examples include a high school state championship where scholarships are on the line, a college NCAA tournament, or an Olympic trial competition.
It’s a real thing, There are cisgender women who consistently show up to their high school state championship and lose first place to a transgender female.
Diving into the science, starting from the beginning, a fetus with XY chromosomes produces and is exposed to higher levels of testosterone in the womb. Right off the bat, there is a biological difference. Interestingly enough, studies show that before puberty, the natural athletic abilities between boys and girls are relatively similar.
During puberty, testosterone levels multiply 20-fold and are in concentrations 15-times higher than females.
Testosterone creates many changes In the male adolescent body-ones that you may associate are typically the changes you see in puberty, like deepening of the voice and growth of body hair.
Testosterone also influences many other roles behind the scenes that give physical athletic advantages. These Roles include regulating bone mass, fat distribution, muscle mass, and red blood cell production.
Attributes like larger skeletal structures, larger muscles, increased cardiovascular and respiratory functions, as well as a higher power to weight ratios, give biologically cis-gender males natural athletic advantages. This is present amongst both elite and non-elite calibers.
That’s not to say that there are incredible female athletes, there absolutely are. We know of many. There are probably female athletes that could kick my butt in every sport across the board.
But when we compare males to females in similar calibers, like amateurs vs amateurs, and superstars vs superstars, males naturally have an athletic edge based on their development.
Studies show that after a year of testosterone suppression, there is a certain degree of advantages that are lost, like slightly less thigh muscle mass than before.
But overall, there are also many bio-physiological differences that do not go away when a transgender woman has settled into her transition.
For example, transgender females who went through puberty as a male exposed to high levels of testosterone still have skeletal bone sizes and densities that provide an athletic edge.
Studies show that transitioned transgender women on average still have 25% more grip strength.
Other aspects like taller heights, as well as longer limb lengths and hand span, provide a natural advantage.
This study came out with a very interesting conclusion that the number of general advantages that transgender women have actually varied by sport.
In my opinion, pointing this out isn’t transphobic. Ignoring this is cisgender female-phobic. Ignoring it is stripping away cis females' opportunities to succeed.
Each sport should make up its own rules about transgender women competing, because, every sport is different. There are some sports where transgender females have much more of an advantage than in other sports, like weightlifting for example. You have much more of a competitive edge if you have been exposed to testosterone growing up.
This is important because cisgender females deserve a fair playing ground just as much as transgender women deserve their rights to co-exist and integrate peacefully in society.
Research Study Reference:
Hilton, E. N., & Lundberg, T. R. (2021). Transgender Women in the Female Category of Sport: Perspectives on Testosterone Suppression and Performance Advantage. Sports medicine (Auckland, N.Z.), 51(2), 199-214. doi.org/10.1007/s40279-020-01...
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as somone with gender dysphoria I think we need a transgender category of sports. just let the trans women compete with eachother same with trans men not that hard.
as someone with a bullshit detector, who'd participate on those? 10 people, thousands of miles apart? utah passed an anti trans people in sports law that affected exactly one person.
@@acuteaura You can choose to compete with your sex then.
Sadly there just aren't the numbers to have elite level sport competitions just for trans athletes.
I agree! They should have their own category.
@@LilyTheCat151 So biological women have to suffer and be pushed out of our own spaces because there’s not enough trans people in the world that’s BS
Dude, when you said you were a member of the lgbt community, I fully expected you to use your platform as a doctor to cherry pick studies and present a pseudo-scientific argument, but you didn't do that. Really impressed with your objectivity and for telling an inconvenient truth that your own community is probably going to hate you for. Respect.
I get it. There is a legitimate reason for feeling that this here isn’t right. I’m Gay. And I agree that TG persons should be tested for T-levels prior to swimming competitions otherwise it is not fair to competitors. The cis women competing against a transgender woman will probably never win 1st against their trans counterparts. Lia should recognize the unfairness. We respect her right to be herself but she should equally recognize that she has that physio advantage. That’s just a fact.
@@yasssgawwwd5643 hormones is a tiny fact ,
the major fact is Bone, Muscle,Heart,Lungs ETC.
@@HelenHex I thought the pelvis was the only bone that separated the 2?
He's definitely downplaying the muscle mass reduction, after 2 years of hrt (which is the time required to be on hrt to be allowed to play competitively) it does level out to about the same performance levels, and by that time, with testosterone blockers, trans women have lower levels of testosterone than cis women, as for the "biological advantages" the stars of every sport have always been people with huge biological advantages, Michael Phelps has enormous biological advantages to anyone else, because of the way he was born, he's super tall, has a massive wingspan, and huge hands and feet, he's basically a superhuman born with a body built for swimming, he obviously has a massive innate biological advantage but no one says he shouldn't be able to compete. Sports has never been fair, no matter how hard they try, even if they put in 10 times the effort, it doesn't matter if they've dedicated their whole life to basketball, you'll never see a short dude in the NBA, it's not fair, but no one cares about the NBA being fair to short people because it's the nature of sports, there will always be people with advantages, and a slight AVERAGE height difference is nothing to ban the whole group of people for. Even then what's the solution? You definitely can't have them compete with the gender assigned at birth, because trans men would would absolutely destroy the cis women, they would essentially be doping the whole time because they're on a high level of testosterone. If trans women had such an advantage then it would show, which it turns out that trans women perform worse than mose cis women because they are literally on the anti muscle drug, all those headlines that you read, if you look a little further into what happened, a lot of them placed in dead last, that girl in the pregar u video he used got 8th, the trans woman in the competition only got 6th, she wouldn't have even won anyways.
@@yasssgawwwd5643 sorry but you being gay has absolutely NOTHING to do with being trans.. NOTHING. If you aren't transgender, don't speak on our matters (against us, I may add)
As a member of the LGBT community and a long time coach of both male and female elite athletes, I have extensive first hand experience that the argument that biological males have no inherent advantage over females is absolutely 100% incorrect. Even the very best of the female athletes I have coached, who were absolutely incredible athletes, wouldn't have stood a chance against the males. If forced to compete against them, they might as well have just quit, which would be a terrible shame. I'm glad to see a reasonable and rational approach to this subject. Much appreciated.
My concern is also the issue of biological women getting hurt while trying to compete against trans women who have been through male puberty. Sure not all sports are contact sports but it could go terribly wrong. I don't think males or females fully understand how difference there really is.
There was a post on reddit about a guy discussing how he would arm wrestle/wrestle with his GF and admitted he wasn't going full out, so she said she wanted him to use his full strength. But then she lost every fight they had, the arm wrestle was easy for him and he could easily pin her... They were both shocked about it and it opened up an interesting discussion around it and how males do try and regulate how much stregths they use against females when playing around like that.
My question is how is this new? When I was younger we all knew this, that’s why it was wrong for boys to hit girls, they were the ones to go to war etc.
Anyone who has been in athletics knows this very well. It's weird that some activists think they can convince us otherwise.
Do you think it would be that way if you didn't force them through a male puberty?
@@Alice-si8uzcis* woman
I live in Seoul, Korea, where in 1988 Griffith Joyner set the still-unbroken record of 10.49 seconds in the women's 100 meter dash event. This ranks her as number one as a woman--but around number THREE THOUSAND as a man. People don't realize just what a massive gap lies between male and female muscle strength...
Edit: Correction, it's actually 7000, not 3000... Crazy
Haha, you must be on the same drugs as she was if you believe her times were real! What a muppet.
not 3000, but 7000
also, the world record for men was 10.3 in 1930. basicly woman literely run behind 100 years on men.
This is an incomplete picture though. People like to point to Lia Thomas winning the 500 Free at the NCAA Championship as some kind of sign of the unfair advantage, but if you go to her SwimCloud page you can see that that win (4:33.24) isn't anywhere close to her personal best, set before she transitioned (4:18.72). It's also nowhere close to Katie Ledecky's personal best of 4:24.06. In fact, Ledecky has pretty consistently been beating Lia Thomas' championship time since she Ledecky was 17; Thomas was 25 when she won her championship.
It's not like they transition and everything stays the same. It demonstrably doesn't.
@@NatrixHasYou Lia Thomas went from placing in the hundredths as a man to being at (or near) the top as a woman. Sure, she sometimes loses. But even on her worst days as a woman, she is still dominating most of her competitors in a way she never could before transitioning.
And is it any wonder? The average man's upper body strength is 150% to 200% that of a woman's. An athletic male body is a supercharged turbo engine compared to a female body.
You have NO idea how refreshing it was to watch a video on a controversial topic that was completely objective and science based. Recognizing biological realities is not transphobic. As you said, this one facet of trans rights is not an excuse for bigotry; it's simply trying to make good policies that are based on objective facts derived from the latest good data. And who knows? Maybe as this is studied more, the data will show that trans-women don't really have as big of an advantage or different hormone therapies can make sports more fair. But has of now, it certainly does appear that trans-women do indeed have an innate physiological advantage over cis-women.
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Male and female are sex not gender.
They were based off of biology not society.
They have rules that don't bend trans on the other hand.
The biological reality is that testosterone makes you a whole lot stronger, trans women have none, and trans men have a whole lot yet trans men are forced to compete in women's sports while having the strength typical of men which is very unfair, and trans women loose most of their muscle mass making it unfair for them to compete with men. And before puberty, male and female bodies are essentially indistinguishable, a trans woman who has been on hormone blockers has never been through male puberty and it would be ignorant to say that she still has an advantage, and the only attributes from male puberty that are retained after 2 years of hormone therapy are the voice and height which isn't even an advantage in a lot of sports and can even be a disadvantage in some, so the only legitimate basis for banning a whole group of people is that trans women are tall, and plenty of people are tall yet we don't have nationwide outrage at anyone else being tall.
@@zulaadler7179 quick question? why no trans man dominant in sport?
@@thorsten13999 they absolutely do but that's not what they show in the news because it doesn't fit their political agenda, look up Mack Beggs, he's won the Texas wrestling championship undefeated 2 years in a row, and they won't let him compete with other men no matter how much he asks to.
@@zulaadler7179 trans men being stuck competing in women's sports is a whole other issue that also needs to be addressed. That's just not the focus of this video.
A trans woman who never went through make puberty due to puberty blockers and early transition IS probably equal to a cis woman, athletically. But that's also not the focus of this video.
This is about the debate surrounding trans women who DID go through male puberty before transitioning, and taking an honest look at any advantages they may have over cis women despite their CURRENT testosterone levels being similar. It's asking if maybe they DO retain some differences besides hight and voice and using science and data to try to answer that question.
I agree. It isn't fair, and its ignoring reality to look away at those biological differences. Women deserve rights and shouldn't be losing their sex based rights
Thanks for watching!
Feminist fought long and hard for these changes and now they got it. And it's not just me talking as we now have laws for that. So I'm not sure what the issue is. Also wonder if these new social norms will allow transgender to participate in woman's boxing too. Hmmmmmmm
I think to resolve this issue we are having with in women sports is to have trans women have their own category so that way there will be no more problems like this that keep on occurring and from there everyone is happy.
@@funanimation8253 then you have the social issue of are trans women really women if we have to seperate them, honestly the easiest way to do this with the least social kick back is probably just base it on the gender you were assigned at birth( yes I know how stupid that might sound)
To be fair the feminist movement engaged in the practice of intersectionality with the lgbt movement. So this was a natural progression and outrage against transgender women athletes by cisgender is ironic
It shouldn't be difficult for everyone to address this issue: setting out the science without being a d*ck to people; it's not difficult! Great video
YES!!! I am a gay man and I can not like this enough!! It isn’t fair and we do need to speak up about this! Women in elite sporting events deserve to shine!!!
I like the video, but to act like this is some /invasion/ of trans women infiltrating female sports is disingenuous quibbling, largely the result of right-wing media like the Daily Wire.
There's Lia Thomas, that one olympic weightlifter who didn't do very well (Laurel Hubbard?)... that's all I can think of. No, it's not fair, all trans women will probably be banned from female sport soon enough, and in the future some nuanced solution will probably be reached.
You know what I think is much more important than 'fairness' in already underfunded female sports though? Affording education. Health care. Housing prices. Yet the Daily Wire has people absolutely rapid against trans women because a handful competed in female's sports.
okay but nobody cares that you're gay though
Girls and women, whether it's just a PE lesson or the Olympics, deserve a fair playing field, the right to compete fairly, enjoy competition and winning or losing and learning how to do both with grace. I do not think it's ok to say that only elite level women deserve a fair playing field, but boys and men get a fair playing field always.
True. The thing is Trans women are women too, so specifically excluding them from sports doesn't seem helpful, really. Particulary considering all sports favor some inate biological advantages over others. It's no coincidence afteral that the avarage nba player is taller then the national avarage. Yet I hear no cries to ban tall people from basketball despite there being a lot of people missing out on scolerships too, not because they didn't work harder or had less talent but simply because they had the short gene so to speak.
@@ipsumquaerere6927 But no one is suggesting that trans people be denied access to sport. What is being established is that when it comes to fair competitive categories, trans athletes cannot play in the female category because the competitive advantages across the board are too wide to ever be fair. There may be some exceptions, like shooting or darts perhaps, where there need not be seperate groups. There is nothing stopping trans athletes competing in the male/open categories where they do not have significant and unfair advantage.
I’m amazed that this even has to be explained to adults. This is a major part of basic biology that we learned as kids in elementary school. Where did the ball get dropped?
When politics enters academia.
@@FormulaProg When politics marries academia! Didn't realize how much things were so messed up years ago. My child watching cartoons wanted to be vegetarian then vegan. When asking why, she tells me her favorite character on a cartoon was a lesbian vegan. That was around 2008, nichelodeon or disney.. Few years later a coworker comes in, talking about a transvestite vampier in a cartoon his son was watching, found out his 4 boys all watch this cartoon. The indoctrination to this stuff started early and long ago.....
@@FormulaProg being trans isn’t political, hun.
@@20000dino thinking trans women are the same in everyway as biological women is political
@@huntermarquette3484 Any identity-related issues being "political" is a right-wing construct, because identities have nothing to do with the governance of a country. A literal "buzzword", as right-wingers love to throw around.
How trans people should be integrated into sporting events is a conversation to be had, I just don't appreciate the clear and completely unrecognized transphobic bias that I'm seeing the comments. I'd say this is majorly the CZcamsr's fault, who did not make it clear enough that he isn't transphobic nor does he condone those who are - which you really should do, if you are to talk about these issues (which tends to attract a lot of bad faith right-wingers). Besides, I really dislike when he makes himself sound like any kind of authority on the issue just because he's gay. I'm a cis gay demi-guy myself and I'd never do that. It just screams “pick me gay” attitude.
You are the most objective person I've seen speak on this subject. Thank you seriously for your research.
Thanks for watching!
You did such a thorough job, hitting and explaining well all the relevant points and considerations of the issue (and this coming from a Trad Catholic). . Well done, Dr. Ryan.
@@Dr.Ryanmd Would you consider a handicap applied to Trans athletes? I mean we appear to have all the metrics. For instance, say a man competes and places 100th, transitions, and then places 10th in the women's category. If transitioning provided truly gender equal results then the 100th place man should transition to the 100th place female, so realistically could they not be benchmarked/handicapped to that baseline?
Only asking because I don't think a Trans-specific-league would be watched or field good competition because the trans community has so few athletes for any given event.
@@Dr.Ryanmdwould you consider not forcing trans girls through male puberty? I think that's a more valuable question than any other, and I doubt you took the time to answer it.
I experienced that in-utero testosterone boost when I was pregnant with my twin sons. It was insane! My hormones are still not back to normal years after delivering them. And my sons have been more physically strong from birth than the other babies I've known in my entire life even though my sons were premature.
That is genuinely so interesting! Out of curiosity, Have you ever had your levels tested? I’ve never heard of this, but I also wasn’t around many pregnant women growing up lol so I’m super curious
@@kat8410 I did beause my hormones were a mess physicially and mentally. While my testosterone wasn't sky-high and had increased moderately, my other hormones decreased. I can't take artificial hormones so I had to attempt to correct this naturally with nutrient-rich foods, supplements, exercise, and regulated sleep. It's been five years and I can start to see the testosterone decreasing - my cycle is almost back to normal and the rock-hard muscle mass I had the last few years is decreasing. I was just tested and my hormone levels are the closest they've been to my pre-pregnancy levels.
@@kespo5358 wow it’s so crazy what pregnancy will do to you. Glad to see it’s starting to get better!
That’s not a thing! You don’t get a testosterone boost from carrying a boy 😂 it’s most likely the pregnancy messed up your ovaries
IMO, if it's normal to get that T surge, and for it to permanently change your hormonal profile, then there's really no getting "back to normal."
I can’t believe this needs to be explained. Anyway this guy does a great fair analysis. Thank you
Ikr? insanity, but yeah his video is very straightforward and complete
Great video! As a cisgender woman I have these conversations in private because to me it feels taboo to speak about in public. I support the LGBTQ community but science and genetics matter in this instance.
We don't want your support ❤️
@@itsnotlukehere1223 I’m gay, I want her support? You don’t speak for the community buddy.
@@Chibichunga literally no one cares if you're gay or not, you still have cis privilege (assuming) and I didn't speak for you bc since you said gay and not trans I assume you aren't part of trans community. If you're gay and cis, this isn't about you. She's just saying she supports the lgbtq+ community to hide the transphobia.
@@itsnotlukehere1223 She's not offering support to you. She's offering support to the normal members of that community.
@@Maialeen And You're here to dictate if I'm "normal" or not because of 2 comments on a CZcams comment section? Grow up.
I’ve always had such strong opinions about this. As a female athlete and someone who competed in college I feel the pain and heartbreak of some of these young cisgender women. Im so
Glad you’ve found an eloquent way to discuss this topic. And it’s so appreciated. I’ve been saying we should have make, female and a trans league that way everyone can participate in what they love doing, but being able to do it fairly. Thank you for putting this out there.
Congrats on playing in college, you must be a great athlete. I can completely understand your perspective. There aren't very many videos where people talk about this topic without misgendering trans people. I was a little nervous to put this out, but I think that we should base these decision on what research says. Thank you so much for watching!
@Sterling Gray, for athletes, so-called gender identity doesn't matter, because it's sex that matters, not gender. Therefore, the term "cisgender" is unnecessary here.
We women are not cis....
Don’t call ur self or us cis we are women
@@stefaniemoses1768 I don’t think you understand academics or how to assess this topic without a visceral emotional response. It’s OK to be afraid of change, But eventually it’s going to become a time where you die and these people you wish to not be there will remain. You can repeat history and lynch them like they did black people, though, sure. Doesn’t stop gender dysphoria from existing.
An activist looks for evidence that support their preconceptions in pursuit of affirmation. A scientist looks for evidence that refutes their preconceptions in the pursuit of truth. Thank you for being a scientist!
Hye guys,please help me form my opinion based on logic and facts
I have a question,i stumbled upon a video,where an argument was made that even differences races have different bone density,so why all men teams are not segreted
So does anyone has a strong counter argument for that?
Please provide factual,and scientific approach to the argument
Thanks in advance
@@MissionTapasya Why do you think so few Chinese players are in the nba? They have their own league with many players with lower bone density, height, weight etc.. The short answer is, the segregation occurs naturally. Which is just more proof that bone density is a significant factor, at least in this sport.
I mean, I understand your points but what about the unfair advantage that genetics give? As a 177cm cisgender woman I have a big advantage over other cisgender women in many sports. In my country the average female height is 162. I don't mean this as a reason to disprove your points, just something we should think about. I would love to hear your opinion on this.
It’s amazing how heterosexual women have been fighting for lgbtqia rights for decades and now some of those same people we fought for are stepping over us like we don’t matter.
Doing this will cause the lgbtqia community to lose some of its biggest supporters.
(When I was a cross country and track runner in high school I was All American so I was a bit popular and what I said had influence. Anytime any of our fellow students came out as gay or lesbian or had two moms as parents I encouraged the football and basketball players to not treat them differently. Just be normal. They did and we didn’t have major bullying in our school of lgbtqia students because everybody listened to the football and basketball players.
Athletes tend to stick together. It’s not helpful to the lgbtqia community to ignore their complaints.
Someone needs to fix this before it truly gets out of hand.
I mean it is trying to be fixed but it's hard to do when constant transphobia is getting put into the argument and blatant lies about trans athletes are being spouted? Also trans people aren't just "stepping over you", they are just trying yo do what they love.
@@josome7451 I get they want to do what they love but, when they have gone through male puberty and even competed professionally as a male then decide to transition into being a female, competing with females is not fair. They need their own category or an open category. They could participate alongside females until the number of transger people increased to the point of needing their own competing space/field/pool. I agree that people on the right too often put hate into the conversation but also too often on the left people assume that when someone disagrees it's because they are transphobic. One person even told me that I just hate gay people. Which is so far from the truth. When I here transgender athletes or transgender advocates say things like "Well they(cis females) just need to train harder.", it sounds like, and is indeed, them stepping over female athletes to get to do what they love; even if it is not their intention.
Mam, to be fair, the LGB are different to the T. The same goes to the I. The LGB are about sexual preference as in romantic, erotic, and carnal. The T and I are about gender expression and identity.
@@carmay3600 I think trans athletes are at an impasse, on one hand biological evidence shows an athletic advantage leaning on the side of biological males/people with higher testosterone. On the other hand when the trans women can't compete with cis women it sometimes feels alienating.
One commenter did suggest the idea of the trans women competing beside cisgender women, so as to not alientate them, but the scoring for the trans athletes would be separate to the cisgender scoring. Such that the ciswomen are able to have their win, but the trans women are able to get their own bracket without feeling alienated.
Do you think it is fair that those women's hardworking and training goes to waste because a biological man wants to compete with them?
There is nothing a trans person can do after puberty to even the plane field
You cannot shrink you bones, you cannot go under a certain amount of muscle, you cannot reduce your grip strength as much as you want, you cannot shorten yourself
There are differences that are biological that are not social constructs as you might think
Bone structures are not social constructs it is measurable and in trans women the bones are much bigger than in normal women and it is not possible to shrink your bones
Conclusion In transwomen, hormone therapy rapidly
reduces Hgb to levels seen in cisgender women. In
contrast, hormone therapy decreases strength, LBM and
muscle area, yet values remain above that observed
in cisgender women, even after 36 months. These
findings suggest that strength may be well preserved in
transwomen during the first 3 years of hormone therapy.
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This article says that even after 3 years the play field is not even out and this is talking about muscle mass which is the easiest thing to impact with hormon therapy
Thank you so much. I have zero problems with people transitioning. I have a HUGE problem with trans women in women sports. I played sports, I played basketball volleyball and softball in highschool. We would scrimmage the Jr high boys basketball team and that was competitive for us. We even played for fun, volleyball against our football team, we couldn't beat them at the net. Our only savings grace was serving and knowing how to control the ball because we had training and they didn't, but their height and vertical jumps we couldn't compete with.
We’re not talking about cis men competing with cis women, please people need to stop with this argument.
@@myewzek2913 you definitely missed the mark on why the person who made comment, made this comment.
@@myewzek2913 stop being willfully ignorant. Trans women Have the bodies and for the most part genetics of cis men and if cis woman can’t beat cis men than how is to far for trans women to compete with cis women. Plus we literally never talk about how trans men compete with cis men. They literally never win because they have the bodies and genetics of cis women
@@marlireid-hotchner7328 trans women are different from cis men, as one of those people take testosterone suppressants. Testosterone suppressants modify the body in many ways, making trans women suddenly struggle to compete against men. There are biological differences between trans women and cis women, but not the same ones as between cis men and cis women. If you want to argue your point, don’t talk about something that isn’t happening as if it is. Don’t talk about men competing with women, when that isn’t happening.
And no one’s talking about trans men here because trans men are not the same as trans women, trans men are able get more biologically similar to cis men than trans women can to cis women. Also transphobes don’t hate trans men as much as they hate trans women, they just think trans men are anti-feminist lesbians.
@@myewzek2913 excuse me you literally just wrote what I wrote but longer. After all that do you still think trans women deserve to complete with cis women. Let me make it clear to you, hormone therapy Colby affects things that hormones can control. Muscle mass can be lost but muscle density l, bone density hieght, lung size, heart size, and hemoglobin count(etc) cannot
A lot of people forget that when you have a trans woman fight a cis woman or have a cis man fight a trans man, the person who was born male has a natural advantage and can nearly kill the other. This is seen in MMA and other heavy contact sports.
It is so refreshing that there's a video like this. No feelings, no opinions, no bias. Just numbers, facts, and figures.
you don't think it's a bias to say that women should be denied scholarship just because they're trans?
@JasonSmith-fe2fx the video is about physiological, anatomical, and biochemical differences between the sexes. If it was a cis biological woman taking testosterone competing against other women. That would be cheating.
The effects of synthetic estrogen don't reverse the effects of testosterone on the body. Only limit it.
@@SeanR91 2 things, we know that some women have higher testosterone, like intersex women, secondly, he even said it's from puberty yet he just inserted we should not be "cis womenphobic" because of INNATE differences... that speaks to incredible bias
@JasonSmith-fe2fx those differences in testosterone levels are negligible at best. Plus, you are insinuating that genetics and thousands of years of human evolution would be biased too
@@SeanR91 no, genetics are activated by hormones, that's why children's abilities devised by sex are mostly the same, the change starts when hormones are introduced,. I think we both know this, so all I'm saying just that would in indicate that banning ALL trans women from female sports is just transphobic.
I’m all for the LGTB community having equality and respect. I don’t want my daughters wrestling, racing etc. trans women who went through male puberty. It’s not fair on the sports level.
One problem is that most parents probably won't let their kids get puberty blockers when they reach the age, so the trans kids are forced to go through the puberty that doesn't match their gender. If some parents were more accepting of their kids being trans and let them get puberty blockers, I honestly don't think we'd have the problem at this proportion.
@@dakotah8191 Such a fucked up opinion.
What about trans men being forced to compete with women?
Look at what happened with Mack Beggs in Texas in 2017/18, he won 30-0 both seasons because the government pushed him from competing with men to competing with women.
The only other thing is to exclude trans people from sports, which would be a human rights issue then.
@@dakotah8191 What about the transgender men and women who were gleefully fed puberty blockers as children, only to realise that they aren’t in fact trans? Seriously, children aren’t there to be used as experiments for your political ideology. Once you are an adult you are of sound mind to make that decision, as a child you aren’t.
@@dakotah8191 And this sports issue is incredibly simple to resolve, create trans leagues…
Thank you for making this. I hate how this issue has been politicized because I do love and appreciate every unique person in this world to some degree. I don't want trans people to suffer or be bullied, but it's so hard to talk about this from a fair standpoint without offending people. I think you did a great job coming from a perspective of respect and love, while also discussing the hard truths. I would love to see trans leagues sprout from these sports.
I feel that women and girls are the ones getting bullied. One of the poor girls who spoke out got chased in her hotel room and surrounded so she couldn’t leave all because she said “trans women shouldn’t play in women sports” if a woman or girl raises concerns about her safety in women spaces because a transgender woman is in there. they get harassed and demonized. Because of this most women shut up and keep their heads down.
With all 5 trans athletes in a given state. Even ignoring the othering aspect, there just aren't enough trans people for leagues like that to exist.
It has been politicizied because it isnt a real issue. The only trans athlete that dominated was a trans man wrestler that was forced to wrestle with cis women. No other trans athlete actually stands out enough long term to matter.
@@mxnsab8461Anne Andres? Currently holds women’s powerlifting record and mocks biological women.
@@learntooilpaint no she doesn't. Just look up your talking points. The records she set were for (effectively) a minor of a minor league. To put in perspective, the Women's deadlift Record is 650lbs. Anne's was 556.)
To get ahead "technically" she set the record for for most someone benched, deadlifted, and squat at the same time. But the CPU isn't considered as a place that accurately does every test they have to run on powerlifters to make sure they are mostly natty.
Good job showing you don't read more than headlines and no like nothing about the subject.
You explained this in a very respectful and pragmatic way. Thank you. I completely agree.
Brilliant take. These topics have to be dealt with the backing of science and not based on emotions, and not definitely by cyber bullying the heck out of trans people. Thanks for the vid❣️
This was fantastic and so refreshing - I feel like we're losing so much nuance in conversations like this. So many horrible people use this discussion to shit on trans women, insult their looks and make fun of them, which detracts from the strength of the evidence you put forward. I also liked the difference you point out about 'playing for fun' versus competetive sport where a lot is on the line.
Your video is a wonderful voice in this conversation :)
Thank you, Emily!
And so many trans people only focus on their feelings and decide to ignore the facts. Its a problme on both sides. lets be honest about that..for nuance sake.
Eh people trying to force others to agree with them and erase people in the process don’t really deserve better
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 true
@@n0namesowhatblerp362 nah just shut up
I've always been an ally but we have to be honest and fair. It just makes sense and you've explained it perfectly.
now your a phobic for even saying that. Try to actually speak out over this and I bet you won't be considered an ally anymore
Thank you for making this video, and for being so respectful! I can understand why this is a sensitive subject for some people. ❤
Dr. Ryan, thanks for a compassionately reasoned explanation of something that gets a disproportionate amount of attention for the number of people affected. And the attention is often at the expense of trans people generally. Thanks you for encouraging people to see that the participation of trans women needs a nuanced perspective rather than an all or nothing attitude.
My background is mainly in secondary education. I know that being a part of an athletic team is an important part of many teens’ lives. Although I want trans students to be able to have such an enriching experience, I don’t want it to come at the expense of cis girl athletes. The number of trans girl athletes is certainly very small. I’ve not see national numbers, but the governor of Utah said that out of 75,000 student athletes, there was one trans girl. I suspect that the ratio of high school trans girl athletes is minuscule throughout the nation.
I would think that some practical guidelines for each sport-and a little creativity-could figure out how to allow athletic opportunities for trans girls who wish to participate athletically while still protecting safety and fairness for cis girls. For instance, the guidelines for badminton or volleyball would probably be different than for track &field or soccer. Some athletes might be happy to train with and be a part of a team, but have other responsibilities during actual competition. These won’t solve every challenge, but they could help many more trans youth than the draconian, one-size-fits-all laws currently being enacted.
It's crazy to me that if you disagree with transgender women competing In competitive sports against women many will think you're transphobic. I think those people have never been a competitive athlete or they would realize its not
But those people are transphobic. What else are they if not transphobic.
@@itsnotlukehere1223 Gender impacts everyone, trans or not. People have been critical of gender and sex-based regulation before the current trans movement was even a thing. Please stop calling people ad-hominem insults over being concerned about issues that impact all of us as human beings.
@@punkgrl325 I don't get it, you agree with the women being there to compete or not?
@@itsnotlukehere1223 Many people who do not support trans women competing in high levels of sport in the female category might be otherwise supportive of trans women in most other areas of life. I mean there are trans women themselves who are not supportive of this so are you going to call a trans woman transphobic? I think of transphobia as not being supportive of someone transitioning, of being rude and calling them by the wrong pronouns, that sort of thing.
@@kellypat125 Yes, we can call a trans woman transphobic, like Caitlyn Jenner is. Besides,. I think it's up to us to decide what transphobia is.
knowing you’ll probably get backlash from your own community. i’m grateful to have someone like you to stand up and speak the truth! the truth is so important!
body shape height , and muscle placement in swimmers . if your a male who’s physical body is like micheal phelps , you should not compete against women!
he won't get as much backlash as biological women do every time they open their mouth about this
@@CarSVernon You mean women? lmao
@@CarSVernon No, he will get just as much backlash. You see the trans activists are attacking the LGB. They consider us to be people with "genital fetishes" because we don't want to have sex with trans. We are transphobe (I hate that BS word) if we refuse their advances. They're coming for the heterosexual next. The worse of the alphabet soup is the Q.
@@CarSVernon hah jokes on you. just saw an actual transgender link to this video and she was absolutely wrecked by her supposed own community.
as much as i love the lgbt movement there is a very large and vocal part of it that is very toxic. There is absolutely no room for diversity among them. Which is ironic and sad as hell.
I'm a gay man and many of my friends and I do not align with the defensive, hostile, illogical elements. We don't even use terms like " cis gender " , state our pronouns, etc , which comes off as crazy talk. We know puberty blockers and surgeries on kids are probably a very very bad idea ( heck Sweden banned it). I'm not unkind and would always treat a trans person with kindness but I think oppression and victim narratives don't help anyone. America is one of the very BEST places to be be gay ( as is Europe). Only in Western Civilization do people scream in the streets calling themselves oppressed about everything. It all comes off as a bit childish.
Who'd have thought that a piece that argues a point rationally using science and common sense rather than politics and emotions could be so successful at making its point?! I so want to be an ally to those in minorities who have daily struggles I cannot possibly understand but wow, some out there make it so hard to be an ally when the first place they want to leap to is shaming and accusing bigotry if you even so much as ask a legitimate question. Thanks for a thoughtful and positive video.
This is by far the best, most articulate, most scientifically grounded, least emotionally loaded perspective I have ever seen or heard on this subject. Lord how I wish every controversial subject could be approached in this manner.
I love the scientific research!
Thanks! Hope you’re doing well
Thank you for this. I did find myself getting emotionally defensive due to the way the subject is being spoken about but your approach definitely gave me perspective. Looking at things objectively is way healthier in my opinion. Again, thank you.
Thank you for watching!
What do you mean emotionally defensive? Could I ask what points you felt yourself getting defensive about?
@@DC-bp8sx it’s pretty easy to when some people are only using this situation to be blatantly transphobic “in support of women” when they otherwise wouldn’t have cared. I for one agree that they’re should be a more leveled playing field, but it’s not an excuse to overlook the bigotry being shot at trans people daily and from every angle.
@@KoenSkySea maybe it will help both sides of people just accept the truth and stop lying.
When we have ‘transitioned’ people who claim that they have their periods and are experiencing menstrual cramps and pms, when the reality is that someone with XY chromosomes, and lack of ovaries and uterus can never have periods or pms.
When people start claiming such things, obviously the nobody is going to take them seriously 🤦🏻♀️
@@user-mi8xf8tq1z dude I’m sorry, but as someone who has periods, I don’t give a fat shit. You gonna tell infertile cis women who literally cannot have periods, that they’re not allowed to compete? No you won’t. Because it actually doesn’t matter at ALL.
Loved the video, though I had the same POV even before watching this. Kudos to your work. Keep spreading genuine information
Very well said and balanced presentation. I am a healthcare professional working with elite athletes for 30 years. These issues are real and need to be worked out.
Thank you on behalf of ciswomen for this video. As a ciswoman I have been called horrible names like TERF, transphobic, bigotted and my favourite I'm controlled by the patriarchy. I want to include transwomen but not at my expense. I don't want to lose the rights women before me fought so hard for.
Im not sure if you have connections to transactivists but I have an idea on how to include transpeople in womens sport.
Since there is not alot of transpeople to form their own league in colleges etc why not advocate for a national league where a transwoman can compete against women but their time be ranked in the trans league and rewards etc be distributed that way. So for example if Lia Thomas beats a cisgirl by 40secs you aren't taking first place from a cisgirl. Its creating anither league without excluded them from lining up and racing
See also youtubers: Exulansic, Cluniac, Arielle Scarcella, Sydney Watson, and ASlightly Twisted Female. You're not alone here.
@@LL-co3kr Agree. We're not a subcategory of the category 'woman'. We ARE the category. Only women are women and we don't need any further identification.
I understand why I shouldn't use cis its not really necessary and really only allows them to be called women and us ciswomen. Im honestly at the point where their stupidity is making me stop using the word woman and Im using female now. They will never be female and for the geniune transwomen to feel as though they were given the wrong body that pain i wouldnt want anyone to feel but they need to accept reality to grateful for passible privilledge, stop denying predators will take advantage of srlf identifying and let females police female spaces. You dont like it i guess im transphobic and your misogynistic
Well this whole trans league will never happen because people wouldnt watch it, and the cost will far outweigh the revenue. It will be like wasting money over wasteful projects, havent we had enough of that? I have a suggestion. Why dont we banned all trans people from sports. Im sorry but in life you cant always have everything. There are millions of men who would love to do sports as a career but they just dont have the talent. So they find another career. They dont go to play in womens sports instead because they are not qualified to play in the mens game. Its ridiculous. If a man decided to transition into a woman and decided he still want to play sports. Sorry not gonna happen. Find other jobs.
I don't need to be called "Cis this" or "Cis that" , I am a woman. Period.
Not to mention, biological males have naturally higher hemoglobin levels and increased lung capacity. It’s really not much of a debate, and I’m sad to see the legacy media’s failure to fairly and accurately cover the issue.
Most female athletes know what it’s like to have to push ourselves through intense workouts while experiencing monthly menstrual cramps or miscarriages. The testosterone suppression taken by transwomen will never grant them this uniquely female experience. In the matter of sport, sex is of utmost importance.
Thank you for your courage in covering this matter with integrity. 👏
the hemology levels drop to equal of cis women after months of hormone treatment. also not all women experience menstration. trans women do experience more pain in their ligements than they would have prior. there is a decrease in our cartilage. can people explain why cis women who lost to trans women also have come back and won against them? no one seems to talk about the amount of trans women who have worked just as hard as any cis woman and yet they still lose. if it is an unfair advantage then cis women shouldnt be winning in any sport ever, yet they do and have beat the same trans women who beat them.
@@allaboutthatbass741 Not all women menstruate but only and ONLY WOMEN can menstruate. Some women can't get pregnant but ONLY Women can get pregnant. Having a medical condition doesn't make one less a woman. But a men will NEVER menstruate or get pregnant because they not woman even if they say so! Biology doesn't lie. You can stop lying and making things up people aren't buying it anymore. It's easy to google what you said and see that you're just a lyar.
You forget to factor in the effect that hrt has on the body, because we're not talking about males vs females, that difference is obvious, however we are talking about males who have undergone hrt, pointing out the differences between typical males and typical females is redundant because trans women are far from typical males, the focus shouldn't be males v females, it should be the effects of hrt, because hrt reverses most of the advantages and that's what ultimately matters in terms of differences. As for the menstrual cycle, many women don't have them, does that mean they should barred from sports?
@@indianamarshal3457 i guess intersex men do not exist? also the ability to have kids is a stupid and invalid argument. have you looked at the actual charts and studies about homolygy? if you did, then you would see that just cause trans women have bigger lungs, their body only absorbs the same amount of oxygen as that of cis women in their blood stream. homolygy is what gives athletes an advantage or disadvantage. athletes who take blood thinners do so cause more oxygen gets in ther. trans women have the same homology as cis women. the ability to reproduce does not effect a race. what about the women not able to do so? guess they are men now huh? also fyi, the absense of a penis and testicles can be seen as an advantage, seeing as the flop around, can be bulky and less arrow dinamic. also trans women do experience bodily cramps. im not saying thatthey are periods, but i do experience hormonally cause cramps and water retention in my joints pretty regularly. still not a period, but still something that can be factored in seeing as you want to go that rout. my height has shrunk 2 in., my hans and feet are smaller than they were, my cartilage has decreased which is a causeing factor in those losses because of hormones.
@@allaboutthatbass741 it’s not a period cramp. Your body is not trying to release an egg. Stop it!
Holy shit! You not only approached the trans-sport topic fairly, you also addressed the silliness of both sides slinging ad hominems at each other for not agreeing with their "side". I love it. We need to go back to our "you do you" roots. I'm a firm believer that we should all try to engage people as humans first, actions second, and then all the extra stuff we identify with (or as) as tertiary. But I guess even that statement I just made is a little too simplistic... I like your nuanced breakdown of the situation a lot. Great video!
Dr Ryan, thank you sooo much for being sensitive to trans people while also acknowledging science as well. I know it's a delicate subject, but you nailed it.
It’s good to see someone tell the FACTS not the feelings about this subject 👍🏻
I heard someone talking about how it'd be cool to make a digital transgender competition, where transgender individuals will participate with whatever gender they identify with, but their scores are compared with other transgender people. That would make it so that they don't have to participate with their birth sex, but it's also fair to the other sex. It would also allow them to be ranked periodically instead because there aren't very many transgender athletes in comparison to cisgender.
Digital? How would that work as an elite athlete
@@alexwilliams2276 It would work completely fine in individual sports (swimming, most track and field, etc.) since it's just a matter of where someone appears on the scoreboard. Team sports would become much more complicated - my best proposal for those would be a "quota" system in which spots on teams are limited by gender identity to ensure that even if some athletes have a significant biological advantage over others, both sides are on equal footing.
The fact that all you said in this video (and I mean everything, from "be nice to each other" to there is science and evidence and it is not transphobic to say that") needs to be said out loud just blows my mind. It shows how much these issues have been politicized to make people go against each other. Thanks for the video!
I think it's important that if we are going to have these conversations, then we need to be consistent with how we use identifying terms. If we are going to establish that there is a clear difference between sex and gender, then when we identify groups, we need to be mindful of what it is that we're actually stating. I don't know of a single biologist that would concede that sex is not immutable. If a biological male transitions from a man to a woman, they are still a biological male. The same applied for females that transition. Thus, a biological male cannot become a "transgender female". The sociological argument is that gender is fluid because gender is a social construct. Biology says that sex is immutable. If the goal is to have meaningful dialogue, then It's important that we do not conflate the two.
As a swimmer I absolutely loved how no one cared about the sport until this happened and now everyone is an expert 🙄, love this video
Schuyler Baliar said something similar
yeah bc it was just girls competing against girls
Don’t have to be an expert to know a 6’ tall biological male who has had full developmental effects of testosterone giving him more muscle mass, lower body fat, denser bones, larger lungs and heart leading to better oxygen saturation would dominate a female athlete in any physical sport. Sure techniques do play a factor which is why he was unable to dominate the free style event but dominated others. He had more training and experience and honestly believe he sandbagged a bit to downplay his obvious advantage and have a talking point on how there is no difference between the two genders. And for you to say no one cares about swimming is just ignorant.
@@diemaschine2287 dang bro you're really triggered over this 💀
@@thatperson278 someone should be triggered when women are losing opportunities to biological males. There is a massive advantage and the science proves this, just as the video states.
Would you tell women 100+ years ago who fought to vote..."wow you are so triggered over this" just to pass their concerns off and label them with some phobic just to shut down the conversation?
Watching a video like this with pure science based information rather than getting it from completely biased sources such as the mainstream news is SO nice. I like how you added your own opinions to sort of solve this issue. Well done! Doing a research paper for college on this topic and I didn’t want to be biased at all. Thank you for the info!
Those who say that men has no advantage, just watch NBA and WNBA. You can clearly see the gameplay difference.
What is frustrating is when politicians step in and push their agendas instead of letting the local groups of people that should be working on the policies do their job. State athletic boards should be working on the policies, the NCAA should be working on these policies, and professional sports organizations should be working on these policies. This should not be for federal level politicians to be sticking their nose in until the groups that should be doing it abdicate their responsibilities. Even then, it should only be to force these organizations to do their job.
Great respect for your courage. The times I have tried to begin to offer these explanations, I have always instantly been shouted down as a transphobe. The hate flows largely in one direction with this issue. Just look at how the Penn State women swimmers were treated.
Exactly these trans activists don't deserve respect and kindness cuz they will hate you regardless of how you approach them about this issue. They're narcissistic asses just need to be stomped out and silenced
As a bio women whose be labeled a transphobe for highlighting trans women cannot have periods because they don’t have a uterus. They selectively choose what science they want to use instead/if they use it at all. Apparently spitting nothing but biological facts is wrong in todays society.
U Penn, not Penn State.
The hate definitely flows in both directions. Regardless of how you feel about this particular issue, it has certainly been used by the far-right as a Trojan horse issue to get people on board with anti-trans rhetoric and legislation that goes far beyond sports.
>hate flows largerly in one direction
Yea at trans people. I dont see a coalition of trans people advoacting for treating cis people like second class citizens. I dont see trans people going out to large groups of cis people to start a riot. We didnt see 31 trans women get arrested trying to go bust cis heads. I dont see queer people telling cis people that they cant talk or show anything about their partner because it is grooming kids.
The hatred you see from trans people are retaliatory. All we wanted is to be given the same baseline respect that your are supposed to confer to all members of a socitey.
Finally, someone willing to speak the inconvenient truth trans folk don't want to hear. Thank you.
Oh many people are saying it. But they are being ignored by mainstream media. Check out Blaire White. A CZcams who says all of this. Blair is not afraid to call a spade a spade. And is also a member of the community.
im trans and I wanted to hear this. I just want to know what is fair that includes as many people as possible. This is a great video! (only criticism is showing PragerU)
This is actually a pretty bad video from a guy who uses a tentatively related qualification to distract you from the fact he has no experience in data analysis
@@leikfroakies yep doc, we’ve got another one. Another copium overdose… it’s sad to see.
@@beanyjeans909 Oh honey. Ypu just made the mistake of challenging a REAL quantitative scientist. Lets go😈
Lets start with how this video only establishes that difference between men and women exist and alludes to some differences between trans and cis people that arent really explored.
We know that those who went through male puberty have (on average) greater bone density and lung capacity than those who went through female puberty. What the video fails to do is question the significance of these factors and how they should be evaluated. When evaluating swimming for example, we see little evidence of these differences being particularly unfair.
Lia Thomas's personal best time regressed by 20s post transition, with the current disparity between Women's and Men's world records being just 16s. Lia would've lost the same championship from 2014-2018 with her time and woud have won 2019 by less than a second.
Explain why all the actual experts are wrong or maybe learn to do your own data analysis instead of being impressed by some guy's medical degree and assuming he knows data
Totally agree Dr. Ryan. It is the phobia that I hate, the use of attacking words and attacking actions. Focus on the system as this is where the problem resides. There are classes in most sports so, perhaps evaluation before a competition to class a person would be reasonable. Some sports may not need this system and some will but this depends.
Thank you for this level headed and very scientific look at this issue. Personally, if they want to compete I have no problem with that but they need their own leagues. We have mens sports and womens sports because of the physical differences that exist, so having trans sports wouldn't be that odd I think, just another league for those that want to compete. We also have paralympic sports leagues, so adding another league wouldn't be that odd. I DO think that trans men and women ARE men and women, but they are also physically different and they need a place where they can compete against others like themselves, make it fair for all. And I know that the numbers issue will come up, but everyone has to start somewhere. There weren't that many female competitors for things when women were allowed to compete in sports but they persevered and over time gained more members. So it's not that farfetched. But if you say that still won't work, having a sports category for Open Competition, where anyone of any gender can compete, that might work but I think it would have to be something like boxing, where you have "weights" and compete against others that match your level/skill and size.
Genuine question, when you say trans league do you mean a transwomen's and transmen's league respectively? Because if we combine all trans people into one category that's honestly kind of causing the same issue I fear
@@Resonance1919 Yeah, I mean a league for all but have a transmens division and a transwomens division within it. Like a lot of other sports do.
I agree, make a male and female league for trans. No one said to put them all together male and female. But I get your confusion.
I have researched this topic all week, and your body of work on this has been the most informative and broken down in such a scientific way which you can’t deny but they still will thank you
Damn huge respect bro! I hope this video blows up and is able to spread awareness about this unfairness.
Fantastic video. Thank you for putting your career on the line to speak the truth. Very courageous.
I do strongly object to this term 'cisgender women'. Why should biological women have to put up with having our sex broken up into pieces to accommodate some dissatisfied men? I have no problem with a man identifying as a woman, but I do have a problem with a man identifying as female then dissing biological women and particularly our female atheletes who have worked hard for their competition position on a level playground to other female atheletes. The Australian rugby player who identifies as a woman but has fathered three children, still has his genitalia and lives with his wife and children. Transgender atheletes and in any other area of competition should have their own category or the atheletic boards need to bring in mixed events with weight classes as in boxing.
We really do need to show empathy when looking at both sides, but also take scientific facts into consideration as well. Thank you for the video Dr. Ryan. 💕
Thanks for watching!
After a trans-female dies an archeologist will say this is a male skeleton does that make the archeologist correct or a Transphobe?
Well if twitter is still around by then you already know the answer.....
Correct but people forget or neglect that the archeologist can also find out that the male skeleton has high levels of estrogen and can find hormonal and biological evidence of transition in the bones, people who neglect that fact use your point you made earlier as a way to pick on us trans-females and to finish answering your question only a trans radical would argue your point.
@@jayebailey9332 I don't need to be a Trans radical to have common sense. Right now Trans people are being irrational to a point where sports will no longer be called male female sports they will be called xx or xy sports. I'm all for people claiming to be what they want but we have to stay honest and less emotional. Cant have full trans ability without science.
@@truth4727 ik but my point is the trans radicals Don't wanna acknowledge science and what was once a minority we ignored became the loudest circle of trans activist that are driving female and male to become xx and xy and they wanna rediffine sex and gender erase what it means to be a trans female or trans male as well as being a cisgender/born female or male and they yell stuff like "death to gender" they also ignore trans people like myself who would love to have trans only spaces until bottom surgery or without, and sports and they try to silence any of us who outwardly voice these opinions and when it comes to these issues it makes it more difficult to speak out without being labeled as a transphobe by your own community even when your a trans person yourself, making things very difficult to find middle ground with curtain people on these things for us trans folks who still think objectively and believe in science and logic.i apologize for the long comment was Alot to unpack.
@@jayebailey9332 Does a trans woman stay trans without meds?
Excellent video, I´m usually fairly sceptical to the trans movement, but videos like this help me see thing for different sides. Keep it up!
There is no need for a Trans Sports category, just make the men's category, open to all, women, men, trans women, trans men and intersex people, then keep the women category with just biological women.
I've so long to hear someone from the lgbt community to state biologic facts in a respective manner that both sides can understand without putting their repetitive ideals and saying the same thing you'd expect to hear while making different points. To finally see a video like this to me is a video all who argue about this on twitter and so on should see.
Thank you Doc! For bringing compassion, kindness, as well as intellect and fairness (why do we continue to insist we have to choose between them???) to a very tricky subject. We will all be (hopefully) around to work our way thru this adolescence in society. Blessings!
We have to because the crazies look at biological fact and see physical violence. If the reaction is the same, either way, I may as well have some fun at their expense.
I appreciate your approach to debate. We should strive to keep emotions out of it. What matters are the facts.
Made this comment as a reply at first, but I believe this is also important for the creator of this video:
(Context of talking about the beginning of the video showing bias)
The issue kinda lies with having to make both an informative but also atleast somewhat visually entertaining video.
For example with the clips at the beginning, while they do get you hooked onto the discussion, they can also Form a slight biased already, which goes a bit against the thing of "Form opinion upon facts, not facts upon opinion"...
There are also a lot of other places where the video goes more into opinion rather than facts... like, it listed comparisons between cis men and cis women... but never about trans women and cis women... there's also the curiosity of, if there's such a big difference in pre-T women, and Non-pre-T women (aka. Women who had high amounts of Testosterone before but now equal, to women who always had equal), then how come there isn't a single instance of a ciswoman simply taking testosterone for a bit (like even a year should be enough), then going back to estrogen for a year, which legally allows her to particapate, while still having the claimed "advantages".... In short, cis women can get the exact same condition, yet not a single one has ever done it... even taking in mind that obviously a VERY HIGH majority wouldn't WANT to take Testosterone ever, There should Still be instances... Yet none...
And the biggest problem for me personally: it doesn't even showcase any kind of solution... it only states that it's maybe unfair.. it doesn't state how unfair that it would require a change (both in quality and quantity), it doesn't state anything we should do about it... nothing... And with this, you're just gonna follow the same Mentality of "just ban them", without giving the slightest thought of the consequences of this... Like straightup making all trans athletes Lose their entire career, their entire Job... their entire life... Just like that... Is that really more fair in your view?
This video goes zero in depth into what would actually matter in a discussion like this.. Like that we should make access to puberty blockers more viable for trans kids, so that claimed unfairness wouldn't even happen at all... Yet nothing... just yet another drifting video of the many trying to be factual, while having zero essense at the end...
This was the bwst summarion of how I've felt on this issue. Succinct, respectful, and honest. Loved it
Loved your video doc, it was respectful, objective and science-based.
Thanks, Ivan!
Great video - wanted to get some up to date, fact based information on this increasingly polarizing topic and your video delivered.
0. I appreciate the frequent disclaimers that issues regarding marginalized communities need to be addressed with care and kindness.
1. Being in the broader LGBTQ community doesn't necessarily mean anyone can speak properly for transgender individuals. You do present your stance as a evidence-based opinion which I thoroughly appreciate, because evidence holds regardless of how you identify. But in general, I don't feel comfortable speaking for Black people at large _as_ a Black person. No group is monolith, even when we acknowledge and accept scientifically relevant evidence. Because even evidence must be weighed properly with other factors such as values. Boiling some discussions down to simple scientific evidence can create a purely utilitarian approach to solving problems that becomes less "human."
12:00 2. I also fight this tendency, but you don't need to earn the respect of straight people who don't value you in the first place. It is good to want to base your opinion in fact and acknowledge matters that don't always bend an argument to "let you get your way." But I would say to do that for yourself and for truth and not for the majority. You don't need to earn our respect as people. You should have that as default as people.
3. And more specifically, a transgender league or division of sports isn't feasible for a couple of reasons, and it's deeply problematic for one other:
3a. There's not enough transgender athletes at any level of competition to create a league. Especially at the school level where people are still trying to identify their identities.
3b. Even if you had enough folks for a transwoman or transman league, you'd have to find resources for leagues when ciswomen already have trouble having resources for their own leagues to play professionally. You'd likely have even fewer resources and sponsors to support the league and competitions.
3c. This also doesn't quite consider how people identify and present and transition. In the same sense that not every trans person wants to use HRT or present as a man or woman to identify outside of binary gender, trans athletes may not want to effectively dope "up" with testosterone or dope "down" or have surgery to play. That's more of a concern at elite levels of competition, but it is a consideration: trans and how trans people present is _broad._
3d. And even with consideration of the physical differences between men and women (and as you mentioned, those who are intersex and those like Caster Semenya who do not know they were intersex, because your first birthday gender assignment is very often the equivalent of that "How I Met Your Mother" meme), creating a broad, formalized league "othering" people who are deeply marginalized may do more harm to the trans community than the relatively few transwomen athletes that dominate women's sports (because despite the general differences between the broader two sexes, not every transwoman dominates in her sport.)
In fact, that sad, White girl (Chelsea Miller) who was beaten by by transgirl athletes in TRACK? The girl you showed a lot in this video?
She later *_BEAT_* one of the trans athletes she's suing in the 55-meter dash to win her class title.
My point is that if there's a solution, it's going to be best if it's nuanced solution that isn't broad inclusion or exclusion with the understanding that competitive sports are inherently unfair for reasons outside of identity, puberty, and hormones. Like training facilities, income, size differences within cisgender athletes, and many more.
The science must definitely be part of the discussion, but it's not sufficient to broadly say trans athletes shouldn't ever be able to participate with cis athletes, even at elite levels of competition.
One thing i find most important in every group of people, every community, every nation, every institution is the ability to reflect on your own group. Even if you are part of something, you must always be able to step back and honestly reflect on things going on within this specific group. This is also what i have been missing atleast in the very vocal part of the LGBTQ community. From my point of view they lack mechanisms to reflect on issues within their own community and to respectfully disagree and discuss. It seems to me that members of the LGBTQ community that speak out against structural issues are often antagonized and receive pure hate. This is a huge red flag for any group, if they lack the mechanisms to deal with issues.
We have male and female categories, maybe we could really look into MTF and FTM categories for higher level sports? Idk?
I agree! We will have to see what happens down the line
But that is not what TRAs want. They say TWAW and therefore TW must have access to women specific spaces...It is political and not based on biological/medical facts or common sense but on ideological worldviews.
@@RadFem546 twaw !!
ig I could be called a TRA and I think it’s a good idea. Also trans women *are* women
@@hbalint88 no, they aren‘t. They are men.
Damn, it's so good to see a level headed video on this subject. Thank you.
Really thoughtful and sensitive handling of a very contentious and controversial issue.
Well Done !
It's deeply disturbing that in 2022 we need to have this conversation.
Why don't people understand simple biology and physics?
Why are companies so terrified of being labeled transphobic by teenage girls on Twitter?
Why are "feelings" valued more than objective reality?
Get me on the next mission to mars.
Huge noise to signal ratio and a low-trust society has bred this kind of thinking. Look also at the rise of conspiracy theories of the most ludicrous kind, eg Rome didn't exist, Mandela Effects, history as taught now is incorrect etc.
This has been the best video on the topic I've seen thus far. As someone who has interests in anthropology, human physiques and fitness/bodybuilding I've studied the human body quite a bit and people really like to ignore the science on the subject when it doesn't fit with their viewpoint but on the other side there's people who use it as an excuse to be truly transphobic and I appreciate the assertion that you can still be kind to trans people while still disagreeing with some of the community on this particular topic
Thank you so much!
I'm not a doctor, but I suspect Trangender leagues are going to be equally problematic depending on when the transition happened. Those who transition later are going to have an advantage over those who transition earlier, no matter their current hormone levels.
My first thought was classes like they have for weight in boxing/etc. But idk, I feel like it would get too touchy if we require them to disclose their transition age?? Idk what to do tbh.
I think the weights or transition age is a good thing too. Before puberty / after puberty @@TTAmber
It doesn't matter how this is presented. The Trans Women don't want a level playing field.
Bro so much respect on how u put this video together it took away a lot of the stereo types I have for the lbgt community respect on all levels keep it up
Thank you for watching!
I wouldn't lie I saw your picture of the video and the picture of you and just thought Oh no here we go, but you came with facts and took no sides. Thank you
All I heard was a load of why men are physically superior to women and no discussion on the effects of feminising hormone therapy has in reducing physical advantage in trans women. Stop comparing men to women. You should be comparing trans women to women to get any meaningful data. And even if there is some remaining advantage, since when has sport ever been about fairness? Can all 7' tall basketballers only compete with those of similar height, or can Michael Phelps only compete with others who have a similar wingspan or capacity to process lactic acid? Also, why no discussion of a handicap system to negate an advantage? That's right, just rush to push blanket bans in order to further exclude and marginalise an already vulnerable community. As a member of the lgbt community, you should be ashamed of yourself.
This is so refreshing, either you see way far left talking about these topics of far right people and I personally agree on both sides at some point but never fully.
You put it on point on this topic, I really feel an think the same as you just perfectly showed on this video.
Thank you I hope the world starts to respect each other. It currently feels like we always need to drag someone else down to get up... it doesn't feel right at all
Thank you for your objectivity, as well as your sensitivity when approaching this subject. This is a really hard subject to approach, and I thought you did it well and with tact. Thank you.
Thanks for watching, Kevin!
Great job. Finally an honest medical evaluation that is not slanted toward trans. All very true.
Thanks, Jim!
If these folks want to compete so badly then why not just start your own sport teams. Oh wait, then you wouldn't have an athletic advantage anymore. My bad.
The statistic that shows that 14/15 year old boys will beat adult females is even more crazy than it initially seems. Because it's not just that they are biologically advanced, they are so advanced that they can even make up a lack in skill and technique that adult women have over them as they have trained longer and are also smarter.
The argument of transphobia is mostly ridiculous. If people were transphobic, they would be against trans atheletes in general. But it's only trans women that get targeted because trans men come to the playing field with a disadvantage, so most people don't care if they compete in the same league.
The very vocal advocates are actually and ironically hurting the cause more than they are helping it. Because in the end, I'm very much a libertarian. You are free to live your life as you want as long as you don't hurt anybody. But trans females do when it comes to sports.
This was such an incredible video. Very well justified and introspective. I cannot express how much I truly enjoyed this video.
I’m happy to type in the swimmer’s name and see a story that’s NOT from FOX news. The right wing and Christian commentary is taking over this subject. If we as liberals “follow the science,” we need to be consistent.
As a registered Democrat: well said 👏🏿
The timing show otherwise. She's a great athlete but she's lost and won in both women and male leagues
@@alexwilliams2276
He, not she.
Middling, not a “great athlete.”
I'm literally speechless... Big-massive kudos to you Doc!!!
As someone who had not yet formed an opinion on the topic due to feeling like I lacked data and information, I found this very helpful. I think the one thing that isn't mentioned is scale. When asked to weigh in on the subject previously, I always said, I'm not sure how I feel about the subject, but the instances of transgender females competing and winning in sports is few and far in between, so it's easy enough to handle those situations case by case as they arise. This may not be possible down the road, so it is interesting to learn about the nuances and physiology. Thank you for making this video.
Right, this problem won't "scale" well if we don't figure some things out now
@@stringX90 yeah, totally on board with that. We shouldn't be avoiding the problem. It should just be something that we keep in context when talking about the seriousness of the issue. I have a lot of friends to the right of me telling me about the horrors that could happen if we let trans women compete in female sports, and we have legislation being passed in states that is literally targeting 1 or 2 people within the state. I have friends to the left of me telling me that there are no differences between the athletes, and that it's transphobic to say otherwise.
I hope I didn't send the wrong message by implying we should avoid it, the opposite, we should think about it now while the scale is small so we are better equipped as it happens more in the future. That said, we should always keep in mind that this is impacting a tiny percentage of the population, and not blow the issue out of proportion as we discuss it.
Thank you for this. What can we as women do about this? We have been saying this for years, and we are just called bigots.
Boycott all women's and girls sport that allows men in women's sports. Simple really
You’re using this as an umbrella for the fact you don’t like trans people. Firstly, educate yourself on sociology and anthropology, because if you do, you’ll realize that all of this makes sense. Secondly, have a soul. Have genuine empathy for other people instead of brushing stuff off like it’s not your problem or because it’s stupid. It doesn’t matter if it is, it doesn’t effect you. Thirdly, don’t repeat history. Every single time there’s a change in how human’s navigate there’s pushback, as if there’s a specific way that we’re supposed to do things. At the rate we’re going, I’m not reaching 40 years old or having kids; I’m going to die before I can get gray hairs because nobody gives a shit anymore. Please don’t make that same mistake. It’s really not that deep.
You do realize that making the idea of a woman purely about giving birth, having breast and having ovaries isn’t logical either, correct? Hermaphroditism is a thing, it’s just not talked about much.
@@PdoxDV you should have empathy and it's true that are humans that have both parts of male and female anatomy hut the problem is the transwomen that transition after puberty. If it's before then the benefits of male puberty do not happen such as muscle mass and stronger bone density from what I heard from people about the topic. A compromise would be allowing transwomen that had hormone blockers before puberty rather than after or making argue argue those after puberty
@@PdoxDV And what about NO!
You're talking bs. There's 2 sports categories MALE and FEMALE easy!
Why do we have to have empathy for people who doesn't even respect us and calling us menstruator????
Women = Adult human female, this is biologie.....it's a fact. Like it or not....who cares but 99.99% of humans know what a woman is.
@@scaratlas3347 Or….we could provide ACTUAL assistance for people with gender dysphoria so they can transition without such detriments and stop stigmatizing a process that has no effect on they life
Thank you for this video! You are a champion for your community!
One thing wasn't mentioned. The trans community is a small minority and an even smaller percentage of trans people are playing elite sports. The media is making it sound like it's everywhere, and where's the discussion about trans men. They can compete because they lose? Make it make sense
Beautiful and factual . thank you for being kind and spreading the truth
Isn't it oh so ironic that we're not seeing females identifying as male's competing in male sports. So in a nutshell, men can carry on in their respective sports unhindered by gender identity politics, but women are just expected to shove over.
i'm sick of trans men in men's sports. they're always taking last place when that should be the place of the weakest man. unfair.
I agree. It's so unfair for women.
@@nerdgenius915 not sure how your comment relates here
@@nerdgenius915 you probably can, but i expect trolls everywhere as well. you can usually just ignore them.
Actually it's the "female victim" complex + general misandry
trans men in bathrooms and locker rooms are not being called predators, their not peeping on the vulnerable men or boys just as trans boys are just fine in their respective sports, no one cares because saying "we need to protect _our_ men" is an uncomfortable/"wrong" thing to say, saying this won't get you viewed nearly as much as "_our_ women are endangered" as only BIO MALES🤬😡are able to commit great violence.😒
it about controlling femininity, as well as garnering an emotional response to further ones own standing in any setting.
trans-women statistically underperform in sports and have been playing them for decades, flying totally under the radar for some totally magic reason[politics]the 2 trans in the beginning both lost to a cis-women at that track meet, a trans woman lost to an 8yold in a skateboarding competition.
splitting categories wouldn't really work as their just not enough trans women playing in these sports to form any kind of actual team or anything else worth watching.
as a more permanent slow moving fix, allowing trans people to transition earlier than the norm right now, being after puberty has taken place and wreaked absolute havoc on a trans kids image; would effectively get rid of this issue.
Thank you so much for the level-headed fact-based video I appreciate this!
Thank you for watching!
I really appreciate this video! Let's look at the facts, and let's all be kind. There will still be issues and disagreements, but we'd get a lot further along than we are now. Thanks!
I’m a gay man and believe in trans rights, but I think trans women in sports is ridiculous.
There’s a reason y male n female physical sports r separated. 🤷🏽♀️
Real shit 💯
The sexes are separated for fairness. Honestly mainly fairness for the girl/women. Its like weight classes in fighting sports. It wouldnt be fair to put a light, lean fighter up against a heavy, muscular fighter. So putting someone with a biological advantage over the majority of participants is so unfair. Biological women finally reached a point where we had so many rights afforded us.
Even a man and woman of the same height and weight wouldn’t be able to compete. Men have so many physical advantages over women. It’s just biological fact.
A fantastic overview, objective and thorough. Thebgender spectrum is a very important part of our development as a society but we can never ignore our biological foundation and that is not a negative factor, it just is a fact.
Being nice does not mean we women have to allow a biological man into my restroom just because he thinks he’s a woman