Tisas Carry DS9 - 3rd range visit; Some Issues with the Gun
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2024
- Warning: This is a 30 min video. Some folks hate longer videos, so I've taken the liberty of breakign down the video into chapters, which might help some folks.
Chapters
00:09 - showing clear.
01:24 - Trigger weight and thick wall.
03:11 - Testing the irons.
05:44 - Zeroing the optic.
09:03 - Testing the optic's zero.
12:06 - Added an optic shim due to mitigate possible optic cut issue.
12:29 - Is this an optics issue or optics cut (gun) issue?
19:06 - Rail issue due to non-standard 3-notch rail.
21:26 - Rail issue is pre-existing (has been occurring the past two years with Tisas single stacks).
24:43 - Durability of the gun (hasn't been cleaned or lubed since I first received it).
26:29 - Mag availability.
28:35 - Cyelee optic talk.
The above should help folks that don't want to watch all 30 minutes of the footage. A large portion of the video, I talk about the optic, the optics cut, and the rail, which are negatives of this example of the Carry DS9, sadly. - Sport
I was having trouble following you when you were talking about the dot pointing up. Wouldn't that change based on where your eye is located behind the optic and what the elevation screw was set to? Did the Holosun have a gap when mounted? Wouldn't the bottom of the shim have a gap also? What issue did this cause that couldn't be fixed by adjustments to the elevation? Did it bottom out the elevation screw so you couldn't sight in the red dot? Sorry for all the questions, I just didn't fully understand the issue beyond there being a visible light gap under the cheaper optic (forgot the name). Edit: after I got to the 23 minute mark I see you said you had to fit the shim. Did you have to file off some of the front? Do you think this is standard or maybe a worn tool didn't cut your optic cut large enough? Also, have you contacted Tisas USA about this? I am picking up my Duty model tomorrow and I hope this has been fixed and isn't a "feature" on all of them. I don't think I have seen many or any with optics installed in reviews yet, besides yours. Thanks for posting.
I'm sorry for the incoming wall of text:
Yeah, I said in the video that both the Cyelee and my Holosun 507K showed a gap when mounted. I'd mentioned that bit of information because a lot of folks were reflexively saying, "it's the cheap optic that's the problem" -- if that were the case, only the Cyelee optic would've had the issue and the Holosun would've been fine.
While the optic dot location will change in relation to the location of your eye, if you're sighting the irons and then look at the optic, the dot (within the glass) should be in a *generally* centered location. The dot shouldn't be super low or super high on the glass. When I placed both dots on the gun and then looked down the irons, both dots were almost off the glass...was 12 oclock high. The Holosun was doing it but wasn't doing it when mounted to a different 1911.
The bottom of the shim isn't showing a gap, but the shim isn't metal. It's a thin sheet of delrin, so I'm assuming it's compressing and filling in the gap when I screw down the optic. It's thin, so it's probably bending a bit to fill the gap, as well.
I didn't try to zero either optic when they were sitting so high. IMO, doing that would've been a waste of my range time, so I opted to use the optic shim and zero the gun...even while I was able to zero the optic, I may have been at the edge of elevation adjustment (not sure, as I never reached the bottom, but I had to add a LOT of adjustment).
I also chatted with someone with this exact same gun and he had the exact same issue with his Holosun 507K. He said he wasn't able to zero his 507K because he ran out of elevation adjustment, so he used an optics shim to get better adjustment (that's what they're designed to do).
Yes, I'm thinking that the optic is cut wrong, probably due to worn tooling or something that is just out of spec. I've seen at least three folks talking about them struggling to get the optic mounted properly.
The main reason I spent so much time in the video discussing it is because I think some folks are way too quick to blame a cheap optic as being the cause of such an issue (luckily I had two that I tried). Another reason is because Tisas sometimes knowingly does not use proper specs - a good example of this is the Pic rails on the Carry 1911s...those rails are cut in a non-standard fashion, so that most lights can't fit the rail. Another is the sight cuts - they are notorious for not fitting most Novak style sights.
Note that I don't think this issue is so widespread, so your Duty may be OK. Some guys may be able to have just enough elevation adjustment to sight in their optic, so maybe they're not complaining. If you receive your Duty, you can always use an optics shim, so all is not lost. Another option is to send the gun to get a proper cut (which I may do later on).
I have not contacted Tisas about it (yet).
I hope the above answers your questions. Again, sorry for the wall of text, but you asked a lot of questions that needed detailed replies! :)
Thanks for watching - I'm actually shocked that someone commented on a topic that was that deep into the footage, as many folks seem to hate videos longer than 10 min.
That clears things up, thank you. I guess I missed some things you had explained already. I actually prefer long format videos and refuse to watch CZcams shorts. Not all of us have completely lost our attention span. Long, well thought out explanations are why Paul Harrel is my favorite content creator.
By the way, I just picked up my Tisas DS Duty from the ffl and I have to say that the trigger on mine is amazing. It is about 3lbs and the wall is just perfect. The guys behind the counter said they are going to pick one up after feeling mine. Fit and lockup seem really good as well. I may want to carry this gun and I am a little concerned that the trigger is too good. I don't know if I got lucky or maybe they are correcting issues in assembly/manufacturing.
Anyway, good luck with getting yours sorted out. At least you have some beautiful 2011s to fall back on. I plan to get the updated SAS II UL later this year! @@unixfool
Just took mine out today and ran about 400 rds, and so far, it's perfect 👌
Honest follow-up on your other range reports....I was on the fence on getting this but now, not so much. Please continue on your upgrades Mr. Zen.
Well picked mine up today, 507k mounted, trigger work. Took it to the range to feel the trigger and zero the dot. Trigger felt great, BUT dot was pointing to the sky. Could not lower with adjustment. Glad I found this video, ordered the shim from Amazon. Went thru 4 mags, iron sights are off to the right but love the trigger, 3lbs.
Ron how many shims did you have to use to get the dot centered. I only ordered one and from the looks of it I think I will need 1 or 2 more
I used one shim. If you've to use more than one, you should contact Tisas support, because that's definitely out of spec.
Your right. I have a Cyelee Cat optic on a Sig P365. My dot holds sub 1in groups at 20 yards
Mine mounted an optic without issue and has been great so far, putting another 150 through it tomorrow. I mounted a tlr7 sub on mine as i liked how it fit better than the tlr7a. Definitely recommend taking it all the way down and tuning the springs for a better trigger pull. About an hour of work and itll be a nice 3-3.5 all day.
Thanks for viewing and sharing your input.
The main issue I have is that Tisas has issues with things such as sights (they've documented issues with sight cuts), M1918 rails (they've documented issues with the way the rails are cut on Carry models of their guns - the TLR7 Sub is the only one that'll fit; options are extremely limited), and now they've problems with optics cuts. I share any info (negative or otherwise) that impacts me and that's what I've done in this video.
You may not have an issue with yours, but there are enough folks having issues that Tisas has publicized that they've actually made adjustments to the optics cut to remedy those issues. There are trends that they're setting that isn't really conducive to their established reputation. Discovered issues should be remedied.
@@unixfool I think you absolutely should document issues so others know if it is a trend. I have several tisas 1911's of various ages and have been lucky I guess with no issues in any of them. I hope yours gets sorted out! And yes the short "1913" rail on the carry is annoying but 🤷
You are RIGHT lots of complaints about optics running out of elevation due to wrong cut on slide. I did research and again your right do u think tisas will fix that under warranty?
11:00 Nice grouping!
Thank you!
NGL, I was quite surprised. In the range video, you can see me stop and have a WOW moment, bring the target back to me so that I can better see the groupings, put the target back out, and continue to shoot on top of the last group!
I'm usually sloppy toward the end of a range visit (because I'm tired), but not this time!
I didnt have an issue mounting a light on mine i couldn't mount a full size light like me streamlight tlr1 hl but i was able to mount a compact light i used a streamlight tlr7a with no issues
Any other version of the TLR-7 will not, from what I've seen folks complaining about.
Of all the compact/small lights, that is the only one that will fit, across the spectrum of lights. Again, this is from what I'm seeing folks complaining about, so I've no first hand experience, but it is a bit difficult to ignore.
@@unixfooltlr7 sub will also fit just fine
My 507k won’t even fit in the cut,of my duty.
I personally like a trigger with some smooth creep in it. That hard wall is distracting to me. Take up the slack and then steady pressure through the creep and ignition. Unless the trigger is very light, less than 3lbs, then I like a very discernable wall. I shoot both well, but a hard wall slows my split times as I have to be just a little slower on the trigger press.
I watched another review of the pistol, he was also shooting low with a 507k optic. Not sure if a machinist could fix it or not.
beside the sights, any issue with the gun so far (chambering issue, not in battery, etc)?
It’s rock solid. I’m at maybe 550 rounds now. There’s only been one fail to feed. No fails other than that.
I’m stuck between this and the Mac 9 DS.
I mainly wanted this one due to the rear irons staying in place and that optics are directly mounted. The big bonus was having good cowitness with the optic.
I did want a bull barrel, though. I’ll probably get the MAC DS next year.
What shims did you use to mount the optic and where did you get them from
Amazon.com. Just search for optics shim and a bunch of results will show. You’d need one for the RMSc or HS407k/507k footprint.
Are they plastic cause thats the only ones I see on amazon
Yep. Derlin.