Lady Edith & Marigold: Part 2 | Downton Abbey
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- Enjoy the second part of Lady Edith's journey with her daughter Marigold.
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I feel just as sorry for Mrs. Drew, as I feel for Edith. Marigold is just as much her daughter. Being a mother is not reduced to blood.
And never will be.
Mrs.drew was an angel. Loving a child so purely and then having that child ripped from her life. I always felt so horrible for what happened to her. And poor marigold was ripped from now one but two mothers.
I have always felt horrible for The Drew family. They are good people who did not deserve this. Though I understand Ediths position, taking a child from a mother is just horrible. Marigold was functionally Mrs Drews daughter and she was Marigolds mother. Having the Drew family move away was just another horrible thing
it's not fair for them especially his wife wasn't told the full story then Edith took her away from her.
Edith did it twice: also to the Schröders in Geneva when Marigold was a baby!
@@ingridwatsup9671 that's terrible.
Mrs. Drew had Marigold only for a short time. And the situation was only horrible for Mrs. Drew because her husband lied to her. Every problem derived from that mistake.
@@ingridwatsup9671
So what? A mother has every right to take her baby, especially if there was no adoption. Happens quite often today when a child is placed in a family as long as the biological mother or parents aren’t seen fit to care for the child. When they can take care they get the children back. In the meantime most choose to stay in contact with the child as much as possible. You can be critical but that’s how it is done and no one condemns that.
Unrelated, but the way little Sybbie pats the dog is so sweet! I wish we’d seen more of the Crawley cousins in the show!
How terrible for Mrs. Drew. I feel ao much sorrow for her. She should have known it was a foster situation.
Yes, I totally agree. But she already has 4 or 5 children, she doesn’t need any more. She can’t afford the children she already has, and what happens when marigold isn’t school age? Then she’ll want another one, sick, sick, sick.
Mrs Drew is too obsessed w children
Homely woman.
Edith wanted to tell her, but Mr Drew advised against it
Horrible choice by both of them
Mrs Drew preferred Marigold over her 3 biological children, which is really messed up. She acts like her other kids don’t even exist.
Why should she thinks that?
I love how, without hesitation, Cora wanted Edith to decide what to do about her baby. She had her back from the moment she was told.
What a complicated situation. Mrs Drew is such a good, attentive, hands on mother. But Edith wants her daughter back in a time where the only single mother you could really be was widowed.
I cannot imagine how terrible the Drews’ marriage will be after this 💔
Wow what an actress Mrs Drewe is!
This is so heartbreaking. The wife didn’t know the child’s story.
And I always felt she should have. She deserved the truth from the start. And probably would've been supportive, even held her peace. A lot of adoptive mothers are like that, after all.
Violet, this woman, LITERALLY CARRIED A CORPS ACROSS THE HOUSE FOR HER DAUGHTER
From her daughter Mary not Edith. Neither Robert or Cora cared about Edith and this was one of the few times that she acts like a mother to her.
@@manuellarodrigues4386 clearly you're wrong!
To me the most scandalous of all this is that Rosamond and the Dowager didn’t bother to tell Cora. I can understand that Edith’s reason for not telling her, but it’s inexcusable that the two older women kept her in the dark.
Side note: I just noticed that Cora intentionally had the kids come down early to distract and influence Robert and the others. Love that!
Not inexcusable at all. Cora had no problem not telling Robert he had a 3rd grandchild, so why did she freak out on Rosamond for not telling her? The whole story line was dumb any way. There's no way an Earl's unmarried daughter in the 1920s would have ever been allowed to bring her illegitimate child home to the Big House to live. The entire family would have become social outcasts, which was the worst thing imaginable to anyone of the aristocracy back then. The fact that everyone just seemed to accept Marigold when they found out the truth was also ridiculous.
@@01Mary02 I mean, you're not wrong, the Crawleys all accepting Marigold seems a bit unrealistic, but I think it makes sense that Cora didn't tell Robert at first. On the one hand, Edith was clearly against it. Cora already had to convince her to come back, and I remember that she told Edith that Robert should know and would accept Marigold. But Edith was reluctant to even let Cora see Marigold at first, so I'm pretty sure Cora didn't want to risk losing Edith again by forcing her to come out to everyone in the family. On the other hand, telling your father, the head of the household and in this case also the Lord of a big estate, was a much bigger thing than telling your mother at that time. I'm sure Edith and Cora were aware of this, and in fact we've seen the same thing happening when Mary was against telling Robert about Pamuk. As to why Cora was angry at Rosamund and Violet: I think that's an entirely human reaction. As a mother, it just hurts to not know such crucial things about your child's life, especially if other people in the family knew.
@@MorganaNessa Edith acted like an absolute fool about the whole thing. She got haughty and angry every time someone suggested something that SHE didn't like and she needed a good slap up the side of the head. It was ridiculous that she would get so mad when people were only trying to help her out of the mess that SHE had created in the first place. It would have been far more believable to have Marigold stay in Switzerland with the Schroeders than the absurd turn of events that actually happened.
They gave their word not to tell anyone. They had no choice here.
@@01Mary02 not ridiculous at all. No one outside the family knew Marigolds true identity.
Cute factoid: On two occasions, Marigold says “bye” to Edith when she leaves the Drewes.
That shows how she felt a special bond with Edith right away.
"She loves you more than anyone else could" Yeah that wasnt exactly true given how poor Mrs. Drew is breaking her heart while Edith looks disgusted and Mr Drew cant be bothered to say anything. This storyline infuriated me
Mrs. Drew said it to comfort Marigold; whether it was true or not was less important to her at the time than Marigold not being afraid.
All this pain could had been avoided by just telling the truth.
Or at least letting Mrs Drewe in on the lie. I don't know what I'd do if my husband deceived me like that. Especially after he saw how attached she got to Marigold.
She can't. That's the reason why she is different from Mary who many people despise for her bitchiness. The characters are well designed. Edith is sour, vindictive and a huge coward. Her biggest character flaw is her insecurity which leads to her dark side.
I hated that Mrs Drew got obsessed with Marigold. And her husband knew it was a temporary and hever cared to talk to his wife. Poor Edith, honestly
Exactly. Edith really isn’t at fault here at all. She had every right to take her child back. She only gave Marigold away because of the scandal she’d face and also because she believed Michael would come back and they could marry and “adopt” Marigold. Once she knew for certain that Michael was gone, she took matters into her own hands. The entirety of the blame lies with the Drewes. The husband should’ve told his wife the truth from the start, and his wife shouldn’t have been so obsessed with Marigold to the point of preferring her over her own children.
Mrs. Drew was so obsessed with the child, what harm could Edith do for her to be that rude and nasty. That woman had another three children and she did not seem to care for them. She only had Marigold for about a year. And then instead of having a family day out with her children, she goes there only to kidnap the child.
exactly why I have no sympathy for her! first she treated Edith as if she was steeling her husband, that turned out to be false, she still kept acting like Edith is gonna do any harm on Marigold and is some sort of criminal or something, whatever it is, she always found a way to make Edith the villain and after realizing she's the real mom, still kept being self-righteous! at least if she didn't have children or couldn't have children, I could kinda feel bad for her but this woman just made me say "Oh my god! get over yourself! you have children of your own and you're acting like only if Marigold leaves, the world is gonna end and your own kids are nothing!"
Exactly. How dare she prefer a child who isn’t hers, who she’s only known a few months, over the 3 children whom she birthed and raised long before Marigold showed up.
Edith should have kept Marigold from the beginning and said she was the child of a friend who lost her husband and latter on die by some circumstances (suicide maybe?). It's so simple.
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So, I noticed that this clip includes the part where Cora finds out about Marigold. After seeing so many comments from people who say that Edith should have gone to her parents from the get go, I thought I would share my thoughts on why I think Edith didn't feel she could turn to her parents for help.
With Robert, it's pretty easy. There's no evidence on the show that Edith knows that Robert knows about the Pamuk scandal and has forgiven Mary for it. Therefore, I think it's safe to assume she doesn't know. Because of that, the only information she has regarding how he might react is his extremely angry and judgmental reaction to Ethel serving the Crawley women lunch after Sybil's death. Based on just that, she had every reason to believe that he would react very negatively to the news that she's an unmarried mother.
With Cora, it's a bit more complicated since, based on what I've seen, Edith does seem to have a vague idea that Cora knows about Pamuk. My guess on why Edith felt she couldn't trust Cora either comes down to two factors. One, Edith's scandal resulted in pregnancy while Mary's did not. With Mary, since there was no baby and no direct evidence that she had been with Pamuk, it would be much easier to sweep it under the rug and hide it. With Edith and Marigold, not so much. Also, I feel like Edith would have sensed from Cora and Mary's conversation in the fifth episode of the first series that Cora was not happy it happened. For all Edith knows, her reaction could have been much worse if there was a baby involved.
Two, it has to do with the parental favoritism. The show doesn't always do the best job of showing it, but to me, it's pretty clear that Mary is Cora's golden child, the one she has poured a lot of her hope for the future into. In Edith's mind, of course Cora's going to forgive the golden child when she steps out of line. Since Edith's the unfavorite, she could very well have had reason to expect that Cora would react to her scandal much more negatively than she did Mary's.
I think Sybil was more of Cora’s favorite. I think Mary just got more attention because she demands it and her position as the oldest required more attention.
So true!
Robert does know about Pamuk at this time
@@megwritesall Yeah, I think Sybil was Cora's favorite because she was the baby (and the most like her -- American), and Mary was Robert's favorite because she was the oldest (and the most like him, which is why she was so upset that he chose Matthew over her in season 1. Edith and Sybil didn't really care because they had never been his favorites, so Matthew becoming his son didn't really change anything for them.) Edith was a fairly mild blend of both Cora and Robert, so she was easily overlooked. Everyone treated Edith as an afterthought.That's probably an exaggeration, but not to Edith's mind. But that was kind of the overarching story of the whole show. Edith, the forgotten daughter, rose to become the only one married to a title because she loved him BEFORE he had a title.
@@MeyaRoseGirl Oh they both absolutely saw Edith as an afterthought. I think it’s the very first episode of the show where we see Cora and Robert getting into bed and Robert makes a comment something like “what will become of Edith” and Cora’s response is “she’ll be taking care of me in my old age”.
At the time, unmarried “spinsters” stayed living with their parents and took care of them as they got older. She definitely didn’t think Edith would ever marry, let alone gain a title higher than any of the rest of them.
I cannot watch the scene with Mrs. Drew. It breaks my heart.
This isn't fully excusing Edith but she was really lead astray by Rosamund and then the Dowager. Rosamund also gave Mary poor advice she is a lovely aunt but she gives the worst advice. They should have told Cora immediately and then the whole business with the Drew's would have been avoided, and when it comes to the Drew's it was silly to not tell Mrs. Drew and idk why her husband thought it best to not tell.
Rosamund is FULL of bad advice! She told Mary to delay with Matthew during the proposal, and now this with Edith.
Rosamund gave the worst advice. Hideous woman put thoughts in Mary's head about Matthew not being good enough. Shes a very unattractive woman always looking down her nose.
Yeah, if the Harry Potter rule is "Always listen to Hermione," the Downton rule is "Never listen to Rosamund."
This was so cruel. Mrs. Drew was so deeply hurt and heartbroken. People in those days did not have access to mental health support, which is a tragedy in itself.💔
The entire system was cruel, to Edith as much as anyone.
I was so upset with Lady Edith for what she did to the Drew family. She should have just kept the child and dealt with her family.
She should have told her mother
She coud not have kept the child. her family would not back her up and it woudl have been simply socially impossilbe.
It would most definitely not have been acceptable in those days. It wasn't when I was born in the late Fifties and my brother in the early Sixties with my parents not being married. My mother switched to my father'surname (his parents being Catholics who never accepted her). My Grandmother did write her a dreadful letter saying "no b*s*a*d child" was a grandchild of hers. I was 13 before I met his family. My Grandmother still wouldn't recognise us as family.
Ignorance is no excuse. Please inform yourself about what it meant at that time to have an illegitimate child. Absolute disaster, mostly ruining one’s entire future.
@@soniachristensen1449
Thank you! Many young people today are very ignorant about what you just described. And in Edith’s time it was even worse than several decades later.
I hated how... contemptuous Edith was about Mrs Drewe.
She goes from "I'm very grateful" to snarling "What did SHE want" and "Let HIM deal with HER" after getting Marigold back.
Well, Mrs Drewe in our eyes is a woman who was wronged (which is true). Mrs Drewe in Edith's eyes is a woman who tried to keep her from her daughter (which is also true). I like that Cora said "It is a feeling we share" when talking about Mrs Drewe's feelings of being mistreated. Someone needed to call Edith out for the awful situation she created with her dishonesty.
Why does it seem like a lot of the problems could have been solved more effectively by letting Cora and Robert know about Marigold in the first place? Both never hesitated to accept her when they each found out and they still hold their love and respect to Edith.
There was a greater stigma attached to societal mores in those days unlike the decadence we've slipped into where anything goes now.
While I do feel sorry for Edith's plight she ought to have accepted the consequences of her actions and left Marigold with the Drews. It was a horrible thing to break both Mrs. Drew's and Marigold's heart. I know Marigold doesn't show it but from a child psychology perspective Edith definitely gave her some deep-seated trauma through that action.
The characters from the show act on principles from the time of the show, not on our principles. These are the 1920s, child psychology is not very developed science yet and everybody is big on "chances" for the child.
me encanta esta serie .. valórica ,humana y dulce .
Este personaje es digna de ejemplo por su valentía ,cariño y lucha ,muy inteligente,se supera siempre .
Cada uno en sus papeles me encantan .
Hevisto la pelicula ,me gustaría otra más ..gracias gracias
I love Edith so much
Comment by Carmencita: It was indeed a cruel thing what was done to this sweet poor lady. They should have told her from the beginning.
she wasn't sweet at all! even long before realizing Edith is the mother or how much she loves Marigold, she found all kinds of excuses to make Edith the villain and even in final days tried to keep the child away
Marigold is too precious
i felt bad for mrs drew. i can only imagine how sad she must have felt after she lost marigold.
Mr. Drewe should have told his wife the truth early on.
Poor Lady Edith.
I know that's how it used to be back then but poor Mrs Drew, messed about like that.
poor edith
Why didn't Edith go to the flat Michael left her? Why move back to the Abbey at all? She wouldn't have needed her father's permission if she had.
It would have made a lot more sense. It might have made even more sense if Edith had just moved to London and Rosamund had kept Marigold as a ward or something from the beginning. But the show isn't written to make sense; it's written to keep the characters they want kept in the picture and have lots of drama--even if it's unnecessary drama.
My thoughts as well. BTW they were all shitty to Michael, especially Lord Grantham.
What a selfish thing to do to this wee girl, not fit to be her Mum
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Marigold clearly always liked Edith. Even in this scene, with her foster parents still in the room, she doesn’t resist at all when Edith takes her away, nor does she cry or show any fear. When they get to the hotel, she’s as calm as can be. She has always returned Edith’s love for her.
@@12classics39 lots of children like there friends it does not mean that this is not damaging for the wee girl
@@12classics39 child psychologists would disagree
@@12classics39 child psychologists would disagree
I wonder if the Drews were originally going to be the Drakes.
Or if Mrs. Drew presumed Edith was stalking from her flirtation with Drake?
i totally feel for Edith and empathize with her situation but she ruined these people’s lives. her recklessness results in not one but TWO families having Marigold taken away after adoption. and in the case of the Drewes, Marigold was very much integrated into the family unit. they loved her as one of their own. it also eventually results i the Drewe family having to leave the farm their ancestors had lived on for more than a century. i realize that the social consequences would be devastating for Edith if anyone found out she had a child and wasn’t married, but it’s so much harder to sympathize with her when she doesn’t seem to comprehend the consequences of her actions for the Drewes. i always felt so bad for Mrs. Drewe in particular. it’s just awful.
Well, the Swiss family who adopted Marigold later adopted another baby, so Marigold was quickly replaced and not missed in that household. As for the Drewes, they were only kicked off the property because Mrs. Drewe literally kidnapped the earl’s granddaughter. She knew what the consequences of such an action would be, but she did it anyway.
Edith because of resentment and severe insecurity is the meanest and most-flawed Crawley child. All of her misfortune did not have to be the way they were if she had not let fear get in her way.
Edith subit la pression sociale (et familiale, Mary lui aurait vraiment causé du tord avec sa méchanceté). Elle a aimé un homme hors mariage, car il n'avait pu divorcer. Un enfant, Marygold a été conçu. C'était une honte infâme pour toute la famille si cela s'etait su. (Je ne cautionne pas, mais hélas c'etait assez fréquent, de jeunes gens qui s'aiment, et dont l'union est mal vue par la famille... alors ils s'aiment en secret, et un bébé est conçu. Et il faut à tout prix cacher le bébé, cacher qui est sa mère. Et souvent l'enfant etait confié à un couple, pas loin, parce que la mère, déchirée de devoir cacher qu'elle est la mere de l'enfant, alors qu'elle aime cet enfant, souhaite le voir grandir, même de loin. Edith n'avait pas la possibilité de dire que Maigold est sa fille. Elle etait victime du " qu'en dira t-on", de la pression sociale. Sa tante le lui a fait comprendre. Il ne faut pas oublier que son education l'a conditionnée à ne pas savoir s'affirmer. C'est progressivement, quand elle s'est occupée de diriger l'entreprise de publication du journal, puis en obtenant des revenus suffisamment élevés pour pouvoir s'assumer seule et élever son enfant, qu'elle a oser écouter son cœur et élever sa fille, quitte a dire qu'elle est sa marraine et qu'elle l'a adoptée.
Mrs Drew, s'est attachée à Marigold, elle a cru l'histoire mensongère racontée par son mari. Elle aimait Marygold de tout son cœur, et croyait que c'etait une enfant de la famille de son mari. Alors, elle n'a pas compris pourquoi Edith s'interessait tant à Marigold, ni pourquoi son mari laissait faire. Elle a vécu cela comme une trahison de la part de son mari, qui préférait laisser Marigold à "une dame riche, certes, mais étrangère à la petite, alors qu'elle a montré qu'elle aimait et élevait bien cette enfant. C'était une intrusion dans son foyer la présence d'Edith. Le mensonge du mari a créé cette situation compliquée et conflictuelle, là aussi, ul ne fallait pas que l'on sache qu'Edith edt la mère de Marygold. Il y a souffrance pour ces deux femmes. Situation qui n'aurait pas existé si Edith avait pu dès la naissance, déclarer haut et fort en Angleterre, qu'elle est la mere de l'enfant. On disait qu'une fille mère etait déshonorée, sa famille aussi... C'etait un drame. Mais c'est ridicule. Tout comme la pratique des vols d'enfants à des mères célibataires... pour les donner ou les vendre à des couples fortunés... Qui faisaient croirent que c'est leur enfant biologique.
Edith spoile took advantage of mrs. Drew. 👎
Actually no. Mr. Drew made the decision not to tell his own wife.
She meant for the husband to explain the truth to Mrs Drew. Then the husband lied anyway and Ms Drew got too attached when it was always a temporary/foster situation. Then Mrs Drew did not understand she loved the child and not the husband.
I understand not telling Cora or Robert and the family. But why keep it from Mrs Drew???
It probably, Mama Gene!!!
The first little girl was perfectly cast too bad they replaced her with the homely little girl who acted so despondent in most scenes.
It’s odd that the children - if they were real - could still be alive today. The oldest people alive now were born in 1907.
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A painful story for everyone, all because the actor who portrayed Michael Gregson left.
The Drew's were a means to an end. Cora has some nerve being upset because didn't she help Mary with body removal?
Reading the comments on here is funny 😂😂. It's not real!!
I hated this story line. She rips the baby from two different homes, leaving two families devastated because she couldn't make up her mind. Mary was right about Edith.
And Edith was right about Mary
She didn’t leave two families “devastated”. The Schröders adopted another baby and wrote that to Edith- so obviously they stayed in friendly contact.
And Marigold was only a short time with the Drews.
All problems there derived from Mr. Drew’s poor decision not to tell his wife the truth.
Edith never wanted to give up her child and showed great courage to try everything in her power to keep her daughter.
I hope you will never have to give up a child of yours to understand how horrible that is.
Mary was wrong about Edith but too petty to admit it.
Sure have a lot of mean people commenting. Guess that’s how it really is among civilized people.
Judgmental till they stand in others shoes. Even about a fictitious story.
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Mrs Drew has no right to Marigold she is not her mother Edith is.Also Mrs Drew has she own children she should be taking care of
I think Mary is a bit feeble. She didn't approve when the story was fabricated, and she still didn't approve when she became aware that it was her niece.
Mary doesn’t approve of Edith’s very existence. She’s a horrible sister.
Edith is just a person who makes one bad decision after another. And as it often happens as a little rich girl, she escapes the responsibility.
First she left the child In Switzerland and then she changed her mind, then she left it with the Drews and changed her mind, then she left to London with her, then she didnt tell Bertie the truth. Its like she can't do anything right.
Not to mention her pursue of poor sweet sir Anthony whom she practically forced down the aisle and then was in tears when he came to his good senses.
This really made me hate Edith. I get what she does is motivated by love, but its still extremely selfish. She used the Drews fo her own end, not giving a single thought to their feelings and needs.
So you think she should have left her daughter is Switzerland? Wow, just wow.
Idk where you got that from the comment. I'm saying she shouldn't have used the Drews like that. She could have been upfront with Mrs. Drew instead of lying to her. Or she could have straight up admitted to mothering a child to her family.
I'm saying she's selfish for putting her own wants before everyone else's needs (including Marigold). I get she was living in a patriarchal society and was left in a crappy situation, BUT they are the consequences of her own actions and she makes everyone else suffer instead of her.
@@Elizabeth-hc3mi That would be fine now, but not during those times. It's not just the patriarchy, the women were just as bad or worse. Mrs Drew was clearly unstable, as Mr Drew knew, since it was HIS idea not to tell her. She did the best she could in a bad situation. You really need to work on your empathy too. Pot/kettle/black
I would have called the police on Edith, and this whole have your cake and eat it too would have been over. Oh SHE might have gotten the baby back in those days, but she would have NEVER kept her reputation after that. The whole town would have known.
I hate how slefish edith is during the whole process! Givinv marigold to the schrödingers, then to the drews. Horrible for these families and for marigold. And then when they go to london togehter she's behaving like both of them are so happy to be together, while marigold is probably homesick for the drews. + mr drew was wrong not to tell his wife.
I cry so much for Mrs drew !! Edith was a selfish person!!! I already dislike her but after that…. She should be leave the child with the Drew’s and leave her on life without her
what edith did to Mrs Drew is disgusting, what she did to her child is disgusting. she is a monster.
Mrs Drewe was disgusting herself
Edith meant for Mr Drewe to tell her the truth. She wanted a temporary home for her daughter.
Edith is such a spoiled brat. She just wants things to work for her and she doesn't seem to care who she hurts. Ripped a child from the only mother she knows and hurts them all because of her feelings
Am I the only one who didn’t like Edith?
I tried to like her. Watched the show through twice. And each time I disliked her. She had a very woe is me attitude and was very victimized.
Yes she had bad things happen to her but so did every other character on the show 😂
She planned a whole future and life with Michael and it was taken away from her. Marigold was all she had left of him and yet society’s ridiculous double standard of the time forced her to do unbearably difficult things not just for herself, but for the sake of her family. All of the Crawleys would’ve been shunned if the truth came out, not just her. also I think her “woe is me” attitude stems from her treatment by her family. Mary abuses her in every way except physically at every turn, and her parents always treat her as less than. She’s grown up with hardly any confidence in herself. The show’s events enable her to finally grow a spine and feel better about herself.
She should have just left the child with the Drew’s and went on living her single life. Gotten married and had other children I can’t stand women that dump their children off with other’s for yrs and then want to use the I’m her mother excuse.
At least men are smart enough that when they abandon their children they disappear and leave the children with a family that will live the child. They don’t try to claim the child years later and try to break up that relationship.
The couple who play the Drew’s are both terrible actors.very amateurish.
Mrs Drew looked like an insect.
I always forget the girls are half American
And clever of Cora to have the children brought down early, intime for the discussion