Sinano is like one of those all-powerful superweapons the bad guys reveal out of nowhere that our heroes manage to destroy in like one episode and then nobody ever talks about it again.
Well it did kinda suck, relatively speaking. As in it could only carry a few dozen aircraft when Allied competitors could carry hundreds. It was made to basically be a Aircraft & Supply Transport. Not a proper Strike Carrier like the Carriers at Midway Considering its interior bulkheads were hollowed out for Transport purposes, it was much easier to sink. Where the Yamato & Musashi took a brutal amount of punishment to destroy.
@@gilbertosantos2806 I love how the Japanese put so much effort into the ship and swore it would be great only to be sank before it actually had any impact on the war. Huge slap in the face and I love it LOL
They forgot to mention how significant USS Archerfish was. The sinking of the IJN Shinano was the largest vessel to have been sunk by a submarine. That record still stands so far...........
robert goodman the tanker Seawise Giant is the Largest and longest ship ever sunk. With a displacement of over 650,000 tons fully loaded. She was bombed by Iraq during the Iran Iraq war. The USS America is the largest warship ever sunk at over 80,000 tons displacement, however it was sunk in a Sinkex not combat so Yamato or Musashi is the heaviest warship ever sunk in combat. Depending on which one weighed more at the time of the sinking. With Shinano also being the longest warship ever sank in combat.
@@stevenmcgee9588 that is a tanker we are talking about surface combat vessels and again uss america was not in combat, these are the largest and heaviest surface ships sunk in combat. Oil tankers do not count as surface combat ships
American torpedos were poor early in the war due to both a poor firing pin and a bad magnetic influencer. Even late in the war the Japanese “Long Lance” torpedo was superior even late in the war.
@@jakegalvin2229 yea because the super carrier is not the most sophisticated piece of technology at the United States military has to rule the oceans currently at this time. Dont read much do we.
I was thinking the same thing hahaha. “I swear it! She was the biggest ship ever” Everyone rolling their eyes thinking oh boy another big fish story...
A False Statement. Shinano was to be the third super-battleship, sister ship to both Yamato and Musashi. So they would have been roughly the same size. She was repurposed into a carrier. Because she was originally meant to be the sister to Musashi and Yamato, she did become the largest carrier ever built at the time.
@@deathsheir2035 even "largest carrier" is a bit of a stretch... it was more like a 47-aircraft transport ferry that weighed 70,000 tons... 33,000 ton US fleet carriers carried 90-100 aircraft each. The Shinano, even after conversion was never intended to be anything remotely close to a strike carrier... at that point in the war, it was literally designed as a support ship and aircraft ferry.
It's not "a bit of a stretch" to call it the largest carrier. You don't go by aircraft capacity, or the size of its guns, to determine that. You go strictly by its tonnage in water displacement.
@@deathsheir2035 I wasn't referring to tonnage being a stretch, referring to the Shinano as a proper carrier is a stretch... it wasn't designed to operate planes in a naval combat action like any other carrier, it was designed as a support ship to carry supplies and ferry aircraft from point A to point B... hence I firmly stand by the statement it's a stretch to call the Shinano the largest carrier because the term carrier is very misleading to what the conversion was for.... tonnage don't mean jack if you can't even classify the ship correctly... the entire video was very misleading at best and an outright lie at worst about the role of the Shinano... and that's the truth. Tonnage or not.
Americus Patrioticus same goes for that 1-400 super subs, they really didn’t have a chance to really battle, they were so late in the war that even the US intercepted one at the end of the war and seized it and were shocked at its size but had to sink it
@@nickmacias00 Well, they dissected them first, but they sunk them to keep the Soviets from finding out about them and learning to make better subs prematurely. The Japanese subs were, for most of the war, better than anything the Germans had. Germany really only caught up late in the war.
@@WardenWolf Uhh, I don't think the Japanese subs were better in design than the Germans. That is certainly not true by 1944 and 1945, as the German Type XXI Subs were revolutionary in design and completely outclassed all other sub types in the world (It fortunately came too late) . As for Torpedos though, the Japanese Long Lance was by far the best, and that is what gave a lot of Japanese subs a killing edge. However, Japanese subs' performance was still woeful on a strategic level. It was never used in a way that thoroughly disrupted American logistics in the pacific (Its most notable performance was probably the destruction of the Wasp).
@@WardenWolf German submarines were so advanced that even though Germany provided a sub and all the technical specs for it's manufacture the Japanese did not have the technical expertise, facility's or tools to recreate them. -.- Get your facts straight.
Weirdly Dark Docs misses the more interesting story that intersects with this one. They mention the three destroyers providing escort when Shinano was sunk. One of them bares a deeper examination. The Yukikaze. The “Lucky Ship” or “The One that Survives”. She is the Japanese equivalent to the USS Enterprise. The one Japanese ship to survive the entire length of the war. From Pearl Harbor to 1945. She was present at most major battles and was oddly providing escort for each of the three Yamato class ships when they were sunk. Also remarkable for a Japanese ship, pretty much all of her crew came home alive.
*I was stationed aboard the USS Independence (CV-62) in the early/mid 90's, when it was home ported in Yokosuka Japan, and we spent a few months in Dry Dock #6 while I was there... During this period, in either 94' or 95', I heard about this ship and how the caisson had failed and flooded the dry dock, how the shipyard workers thought it to be a bad omen, and how it was sunk by a US submarine on its maiden voyage... But that was all I heard, and the last I heard about it, until I saw this video just now... Thanks for taking me back to my young adulthood...*
To be fair, US torps were plagues with issues. So much so I label it as criminal. At this point in the war however, they were mostly fixed. Mostly. Even later in the war, some were still flawed, I believe USS Tang had one of its torps circle around and strike them instead of their target.
@@1977Yakko The US Navy still managed to wipe out Japan's merchant fleet, stranding and starving their troops on numerous islands all throughout the South Pacific.
@@GetRealSin The majority of Japanese shipping was sunk by submarine. To the tune of around 70% IIRC. Yes, our torps were criminally defective for the first half of the war but for the second half, they inflicted havoc on the Japanese.
The source reporting the B-29 Photo of the Shinano in her shipyard is: Enright, Joseph F. & Ryan, James W. (1987). Shinano!: The Sinking of Japan's Secret Supership. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-00186-X. It was that B-29’s photo that put the Shinano into the crosshairs of USS Archerfish’s Torpedos. The USA already knew that Japan was going to be building FIVE of the Yamato-class BBs, and it had known this since December of 1941. And when they finally began to have Photo-Intelligence Flights over Japan they spent a HUGE amount of time looking for where Ships #4 and #5 might be being built before they realized that the Japanese had probably cancelled Yamato-class #4 & #5, because the observation of the Shinano’s construction revealed that Japan had only two Graving Docks big enough to built a Yamato-class, and that with only one of those docks occupied, and the other filled with smaller ships being refitted or repaired... Well... It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the Japanese wisely cancelled these ships to put the steel to better use in more Destroyers and ASW Ships, at the very least. It is ironic that had the Japanese waited one more year to start these ships, they would have been a LOT HARDER to sink, given the Type 98 AA Guns, and the newer Directors that would have presented just as deadly as the USN’s early-war Mk. 28, 30, & 32 DP Twin 5”/38 Mounts. And the ships would have mounted 6 to 8 Twin DP Mounts of the Type 98 10cm/65 Guns to each Broadside, rather than the Five Type 89 Twin DP 12.7cm/40 Mounts that were too slow to track aircraft effectively. Although the ships would still have been hampered by the IJN’s refusal to deal with getting a Heavier Light AA weapon that was not hamstrung like the Type 96 25mm Light-AA Guns were with their 15-round (or was it 25-round) magazines. It wasn’t like they didn’t have access to the plans for a 40mm Bofors, or any number of OTHER larger light AA Guns (the IJN had 37mm AA Guns, 40mm AA Guns, and EVEN a 57mm Auto-cannon that used a BETTER system of feed than EITHER the Oerlikon OR Bofors). The Japanese kind of stupidly ignored all of the larger Autocannons they used in Aircraft that provided the use of other Belt-Fed or Hopper-Fed ammunition, which would make changing ammunition irrelevant to slowing-down the RoF of these guns, and a water-jacket isn’t a hard thing to design for any of these weapons. Imagine if the IJN had adopted the IJA’s 57mm Autocannon (It was basically a scaled-up Browning .50) as their heavy AA on Ships, along with the Type 98 AA Guns, and the improved DP Mounts for them (found on Agano-class CLs) on their ships prior to the war... We would likely have found their ships much more difficult to blow out of the water than we actually did during WWII... Good thing the Japanese were such dogmatic fools at the time. But... These Ships were only “Secret” for a while in 1940, and “Janes Fighting Ships of 1941” included the “Yamato-Class” although “Janes” did not identify these ships as the “Yamato-class,” as neither did the US Office of Naval Intelligence, which called them “Nissin-Class[sic]” (This would ACTUALLY be the “Nisshin-class,” as the Japanese “Alphabet” does not have the character/symbol for “Si.” Only for Shi, Zi, Chi, or Ji) In Fact, in my Copy of the “War Department / Basic Field Manual / Military Intelligence: Identification of Japanese Naval Vessels” dated December 29, 1941, the Yamatos are listed as being the “Nissin/Nisshin, and Takamatu/Takamatsu (Takamatu is another impossibility in Japanese. Like having no Sound/Phoneme Character for “Si,” the Japanese also lack a Sound/Phoneme Character for “Tu” and “Ti” as well, these being “Tsu” - つ - and “Chi” - ち - although the “chi” phoneme is pronounced somewhat like someone saying “tchi” with the ‘t’ barely being pronounced). It observed that these two were “Completed” and that an “unnamed Third Ship” was “now” (December of 1941) being constructed in the Dock where the previously constructed ship had been removed. The Fourth of the Yamato-class, Warship Number 111, was laid-down in November of 1940, but work was halted in March of 1942, after 30% of the Hull had been completed, and even that was broken up. The Graving Docks where the Yamato-class were built allowed two of the class to be built simultaneously. And the “Walls” built around the Construction Docks were built for the Yamato and Musashi, and NOT for the Shinano and her unnamed Sister, Warship #111. The Japanese freaking knew that the Allies were aware of the ships by 1944, and they just never tore down the freaking walls, because that would require Labor the Japanese didn’t have. Even though the walls were no longer necessary by that point, assigning men to tear them down would mean taking men away from more necessary jobs. The video here is a giant load of BS from end-to-end.
By the time Shinano was launched, she was just going to be a huge support carrier...to support other carriers. So even if she had made it to service, she would have been little direct threat to the Allies.
"supercarrier" she had hanger space for 40 aircraft. she was supposed to be a "carrier support ship" A supply ship for fleet carriers and emergency/alternative landings. Another reason the captain disregarded the Torpedoes was that the ship was built on a Yamato class hull. She should have been able to survive a torpedo attack. Only after the war was it discovered that the Yamato class battleships had a critical design flaw with the below sea level armor/ anti-torpedo bulge.
The author of this video needs to spend less time playing World of Warships and more time researching his videos... this is the stupidest stretch of a story of the Shinano i've ever heard... the Shinano was never going to be a super carrier... it was never designed as such ever. All the fluff words in this video are complete blunderbuss... the conversion was half-hearted and it was designed closer as an aircraft transport, as opposed to a strike carrier... yet the narration of this video tries just super hard to make it sound to be something it wasn't. Anyone who knows anything about the Shinano can only laugh at Dark Docs sad attempt to make this lame ship sound scary.
@@AceYoPro Do you know why it took so many? Because they kept hitting the Musashi on BOTH SIDES at the same time... they were in fact, cancelling out their own torpedoes by essentially doing the counterflooding work for the Musashi's crew. They learned their lesson later when attacking the Yamato and focused torpedoes on one side only... which caused the Yamato to capsize.
that is a real thing look up taffy-3 USS Johnston story. Took a hit from Yamato and a bunch of Heavy Cruisers but the IJN admiral thought he was fighting heavy cruisers and fleet carriers for almost the whole battle so didn't switch to HE and IJN AP fuses were longer than US so most of the rounds just passed right through. Once they figured it out that is was escort carriers, destroyers, and escort destroyers they switched to HE and did massive damage. The Admiral decided to regroup and retreat not knowing that they held a huge advantage and the US had lost pretty much all its escorts and all was left was the small escort carriers. There is a great book about this " Last stand of the Tin Can Sailors"
@@wesleyboothe3700 All true, those little tin cans attacked with such a single minded ferocity that Admiral Kurita thought he had engaged a major fleet. Kurita didn't know for sure that Halsey had fallen for their ruse, he believed his enemy might be Halsey's powerful 3rd fleet. The US was heavily overmatched but some escort carriers and destroyers managed to engage Kurita's center force and take 3 heavy cruisers out, they damaged several more as well. I say this with no hyberbole, the actions of the US destroyers at the Battle of Samar might have been the greatest moment in the history of the US Navy.
As John Boothe pointed out, it's not that absurd. Punching a large hole in a Destroyer without hitting anything vital is just going to make the damage control parties a little busy while they shore up bulkheads, seal up compartments and pump out water. The only thing there that would be a disaster is if it hit the ships magazines or the ships boilers (and, no, not for the reason of propulsion like you might be thinking - ever seen a boiler explosion? ever seen what happens when much colder seawater floods a super hot boiler? steam explosions are nothing to scoff at).
Captain: "Admiral, we sunk a thic japanse carrier" Admiral: "bullshit" Captain: "seriously..heres a pic i drew on a napkin" Admiral: "ok here is ur navy Cross"
yeah when time i went straight into a really good battle ship and destroyed it by ramming it and going suicide lol i also used a japanese warship to do this
@@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys Don't fall for the stupid narration in this video... the Shinano was a joke from start to finish... it was never a super carrier, nor was it ever intended to be... it was a really big transport ship... nothing more... the narrator is just using fluff words and implying things that never were.
Made use of the 3rd unnecessary and 1/3 completed Yamato class hull. Despite it's huge size it carried only 47 aircraft. 2 boilers never worked. Fire proof material not installed. Crew not fully trained. At best a potential super carrier.
Finally someone said it. It’s aircraft capacity was worse the Akagi and Kaga Japan’s first fleet carriers. The only thing super about this ship was it’s wasted potential due to crap redesign and size.
Naktibalda that’s what I’m saying they just lost 4 carriers so what they needed was fleet carriers. Instead they built this giant waist of space as a support carrier. Which works if you are doing it like the Brits and have enough carriers to support using smaller carriers. I wouldn’t even call this thing a potential super carrier if properly designed it could have been somewhat on par with the Midway class so a CVB essentially Large Fleet Carrier, but then Japan wouldn’t have had the trained pilots to utilize it anyway.
Shinano carried 47 aircraft for its airgroup, and could carry 120 replacement aircraft for other carriers and airbases, which in theory could give it a 167 strong airgroup
@@lillefighter The airgroup is only the actual aircraft that the ship can operate in a given time. Shinano could never launch and recover so many aircraft.
Azur lane Shinano: A UR ship that can predict event and can literally see other timelines by dreaming. Real Life Shinano: please just 1 sortie then I sleep forever
Honestly didn't expect her to be a constructable UR rarity ship because of her service history, then I remembered how capable she would be if given enough service time to prove herself.
There was never any thought of Shinano showing up and striking fear into the enemy. She was not built as a fleet carrier at all and was intended for support tasks only--like supplying replacement aircraft and crews to the units that were doing the fighting.
Shinano's size was impressive, but it wasn't feasible to properly convert her into a fleet carrier. So, she was little more than a plane transporter. And she was sunk ten days after commissioning.
@Russ Gallagher Shimano was at an advanced enough state you'd have almost been better off just scrapping it and building a 70,000 ton carrier from scratch than trying to do a proper conversion. They could not have converted her.
If Japan had time and sufficient resources and sufficient skilled man power then yes it could have been done. Problem was they had none of those things in any thing resembling sufficient amounts . Now it would not be as good as one of the size built from scratch as even under ideal circumstances sacrifices would have to be made to make a hull intended for a battleship work as a carrier.
@@Robert53area plus the fact that the depth gauge was not properly located (too far aft on the torpedo body so water pressure gave a false reading) nor was it properly set with a warshot warhead (originally set with a much lighter weight in the front) so it ran on average 11-12 feet deeper than set. In addition the contact exploder was not robust enough so it was crushed by the impact of the torpedo against the target hull before it could perform its job. The depth sensor was relocated midships giving a better reading on actual depth and the contact exploder was modified with a stronger spring and changed in orientation resulting in good performance. The Mark 14 was still not in the league of the Long Lance in range, explosive power, or speed even after the improvements, but it did the job and the Japanese merchant marine now makes some nice coral reefs. The great story is the Mark 13 aerial torpedo which did. not. work. period. Lots of dead US aircrew with no results. The Navy tapped the California Institute of Technology to figure out how the fix it and they hit a home run. The improvements that they recommended flipped the performance envelope so much that the torpedo that couldn't work to save a life was by the end of the war sinking everything it looked at.
"Captain dismissed the damage as controllable because he had contempt for American Torpedoes" The Japanese had a track record of having contempt for the US military. They dismissed the first bomb as not really a nuclear weapon. When concluded it was really one, they then believed America did not have enough fissile material for a second bomb, the poor souls in Nagasaki found out the next day they were wrong.
And one guy found out twice. Tsutomu Yamaguchi. Tsutomu was explaining to his bosses in Nagasaki what happened to Hiroshima when the second bomb went off.
The crew of that submarine should’ve be executed for war crimes. They didn’t even let the super carrier a chance to launch jet which makes me super angry 😤
@@AP-bc7mg you're a real horse's ass, and it dont take a veterinarian to figure that out. Do you comb the tail on your forehead left or right? Or do you just let it hang?
As a young teenager I remember Capt. Enright giving a talk at the local library, relating the spell-binding tale of sinking the Shinano. Though he provided many details of his perspective, this is the most I’ve heard about the Japanese perspective.
@@104thDIVTimberwolf Not quite identical, but really darn close. Shinano was to be built to a slightly improved design, as the original armor scheme for Yamato was found to be more than was actually needed, at least in terms of belt armor. Shinano (and the planned follow on ships) were to have the main belt armor thinned slightly and the weight allowance from that change meant that other areas had their armor could be beefed up. Additionally, even among sister ships, slight dimensional differences can arise when minor design changes are made based on the experience gained from the earlier ships. Musashi was slightly bigger than Yamato in certain dimensions, and Shinano was slightly bigger than Musashi in certain dimensions. Similarly, Tirpitz was bigger than Bismarck and Missouri and Wisconsin had improved armor schemes over Iowa and New Jersey. Additionally, Wisconsin ended up as the longest battleship ever built after she had her bow damaged in a collision and the bow of the incomplete Kentucky was spliced on to repair the damage, resulting in her gaining a bit of extra length. That said, there are more than a few mistakes and exaggerations in this video, as others have said. Shinano was really the world's largest 'jeep' carrier, a concept that the U.S. invented and used small CVL's and CVE's for, which were either converted cruiser hulls or based on conversions of existing cargo ship designs, a much more ideal setup for the job. Honestly, I think the IJN would have been better off just completing Shinano to her original design (or something close to it) and using her as a coastal defense emplacement and floating anti-aircraft battery.
There's so much aura of mystery the Shinano had. Nobody really knows how well the carrier would have performed in actual battle. She's like that secret second sister whom even Yamato herself didn't know much of. Separated at birth. Went through numerous augmentations and experimentations. Killed the moment she stepped out of the trial grounds by an enemy personal on a scouting mission that engaged her out of panic of seeing an abomination of a creature.
I’ve run some welding jobs where we’ll do 6/14’s plus more overtime usually and they’re absolutely terrible. We literally have breakfast, lunch, and dinner all while at work. Monday and Tuesday aren’t the worst but the rest of the week is so exhausting that I contemplate quitting every week
Ark Royal irl: Known for being involved in the sinking of the Bismarck & later got sunk by a U-boat. Ark Royal in AL: A purple Elite ship who is also a Destroyer-con.
I never realised just how terrible a ship this was. Poorly conceived Unfinished 20 zeros for defence in 44-45, totally inadequate Hardly worth the steel and fuel oil 2500.crew , What a waste
It was a stop gap last minute change. So to scrap it would have bean a wast that late in the war. It could also have 40 to 47 plane's a common number seeing as most aircraft carriers were light carriers/esscort carriers.
tbh shinano was never supposed to be a battle or fleet carrier. She was meant to be a heavily armed ferry carrier , ferrying aircraft to air bases or other fleet carriers.
@@robinsonsstudios She was laid down in 1940 and construction was halted in 1941 as they discussed wether to scrap it as it was to be a battle ship but it wouldn't be finished till 1945. In 1942 after the battle of midway it was converted to be an Aircraft carrier. Later deciding it would be a suport carrier and I'm positive the video did say somthing similar maybe people misses it as it was not clear.
I give them credit they finished the ship even when it had been rushed while not all boilers worked 8 out 12 is not bad if it had been given more time and a escort that sub would never have gotten that close but towars the end Japan had already lost to much and its remaining fleets were spread out to much. But if Japan had surrendered or pulled out from the war a year or 2 before 1945 the USA nor allied forces would have attacked Japan and probably would have alllowed it to keep its navy. American forces would have pulled out from Asia and head to the EU were ships were needed.
I read the book about this ship. It may have been the largest carrier but it did have one major problem.....no planes. At the time of it's building, Japan was at an all time low on the number of planes for the carriers.
My grandfather served as the doctor aboard the Archerfish during ww2. The story of the Shinano (or rather the sinking of) was very well known in our family but I learned a bunch i didn’t know from this video! Cool!
Also you’ve got the wrong submarine in this video. You’re using something similar to the nuclear capable SSN-678 Archerfish but it was the diesel-electric SS-311 Archerfish that sank Shinano
The same size, it was originally a 3rd battleship, equal to the musashi and yamoto, but they just put a deck on the hull instead. The deck makes it a bit taller and longer
It was a sister ship to the Yamoto class, same hull design. The added flight deck extended its length by about 30 feet over the Yamato. Overall it was a poor aircraft carrier intended as a fleet replenishment ship, not a front line carrier. The Japanese Shōkaku-class carried 72 aircraft and 12 spare planes at 32,000 tons. The Shinano carried 47 aircraft as more then double the tonnage.
@@meeborggp9055 I remember that game, I actually got it on Steam. Either that or the first one, from this retro company. Shortly into playing it, I remembered how useful the keyboard overlays were when the game actually came out on floppy disk. Old games RARELY had any button customization, so you HAVE to use the controls and key bindings they give you. I quit playing after about 5 minutes of starting up the game.
@@Aaron-rj7bv Off the top of my head: 1) It was effectively a Yamato hull with a few improvements, since it was laid down as the third of the class. So Yamato and Musashi weren't really smaller as they seem to imply. Not to mention, Yamato and Musashi were both at least 5,000 tons heavier based on the stated standard loads. 2) Shinano was never intended to be a "supercarrier", which should be obvious by the aircraft capacity of 47. No one in the IJN would have been stupid enough to think this was a combat ship. Supposedly the construction was too far along to convert it into a fleet carrier in the same way the Lexington and Saratoga (or the Akagi and Kaga, for that matter) were converted. It was meant to be a support carrier, acting as a maintenance and ferrying facility. At least he mentions that part, but it's still ridiculous for him to imply it was some sort of last hope of the IJN. Basically, this is a fluff piece, trying to drum up the drama. Implying that the US managed to kill a big carrier threat, when in reality it was the demise of a poorly thought out carrier that never really had much of prayer of ever being an influence on the war.
This story is 99% fiction... all this "super carrier" "strike fear" garbage is pure BS... this was a half-assed conversion into a half-assed transport ship... it was NEVER meant to be a strike carrier, and it was never an important ship... it literally was built and designed to be a TRANSPORT.
@@iainsanders4775 Yeah they're ruining history. We should not let then tear down statues. I think we should start jailing BLM rioters who do this. They should just protest in peace. It has worked more often than rioting
I have read and watch tons of documentaries and this is the first time I have heard of this ship. Goes to show everyone all of the stories of WW2 may never be known.
THIS was the best integrated sponsor ads ive ever seen. I tip my hat. Not even annoyed about the ad or anything, just impressed by this flawless execution.
"...and get some video of the joke transport"... there fixed it for you... don't fall for the stretched narration... this ship was no monster, it was a sad last minute conversion into a transport.
@@wolfshanze5980 call it what you want snowflake but it was a part of history during WW2.. It was a time for desperate measures of all combatants in desperate times.. And yes it was a "Frankenstein" monster cobbled together as a super secret last chance plan to starve off a coming hell storm of complete defeat and destruction! Was it a success.. no..it was a complete failure but many people were working 24/7 to save their nation by all means necessary! It maybe a joke in your mind but WW2 was no joke and neither was the vast resources, planning, skilled labor and security that was used to make this build possible as a tool for war!
@@recondrone6826 "snowflake"? Okay Millennial... try putting on your big boy pants and learning a little bit about the war. Don't be all butt-hurt when someone points out the massive errors and lies in this video... sorry if proving the over-the-top sensationalism in this video is a load of crap hurts your fantasies about the Shinano. Learn a little bit about the weapons of war before you start name calling people for calling out the load of bullshit this video was, and you can now go back to your safe space millennial.
@@barbaldo funny thing is, I bet you actually found this video made you smarter... and that's when everything in this video was wrong... let me know when you actually have something intelligent to add to the conversation. You may resume using your crayons now. Wake me when you learn something about WWII you didn't get from a video game. Try saying something intelligent... I bet it's a stretch for you.
Man, everyone is shilling for F2P games these days. It's crazy. On topic, the Japanese were experts at wasting resources on pointless projects, just like the Germans. For the amount of material wasted on this lumbering behemoth, they could have made at least 2 or 3 normal-sized carriers instead of one massive one that would have proved exceptionally easy to hit because of its ludicrous size. The Japanese Navy barely had fuel to run the ships they already had, so who the hell approved building this?
I guess some projects are built because of their psychological effect. The yamato was a similar project, also the german P1000 Tank. I can imagine that having to face the p1000, seeing it roll towards you, will crush your moral considerably.
@@ABW941 The yamamoto at lest had a purpose. It was built in a time where battleships where still considered the most important asset and it was designed to be so far ahead of allies ships that it could fight more then one on equal footing. This carrier was the next step in that principle so it was designed to kill the ships that where built to fight the yamamoto, the problem was the carrier was superior to a battleship and I imagine a last min conversion was better then launching it as a battleship or not completing it.
@museack Nah, it was never built because they figured out that it was better to use the 1000t of steel to build more tigers and stuff instead of building a thing that would have to move around towns or plow its way through them, and be unable to use bridges. BUT if i should ever make enough money i will build that bitch and drive it around for paying passengers.
Given the number of Carriers (28) and Escort Carriers (71) plus a few RN carriers that the US had by May 1945 this ship was always going to be sunk before it achieved anything, if not by the Sub, by airpower.
There's a lot of misconceptions about this carrier's air wing and plane count in storage, so let's elucidate with a quote from "Aircraft Carriers of the World" by Roger Chesnau: The ship's organic air group was intended to consist of 18 Mitsubishi A7M Reppū (Allied reporting name "Sam") fighters (plus two in storage), 18 Aichi B7A Ryusei ("Grace") torpedo-dive bombers (plus two in storage), and 6 Nakajima C6N Saiun ("Myrt") reconnaissance aircraft (plus one in storage). The remainder of the hangar space would have held up to 120 replacement aircraft for other carriers and land bases. -Source: Chesneau, Roger (1995). Aircraft Carriers of the World, 1914 to the Present: An Illustrated Encyclopedia (New, Revised ed.). Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 0-87021-902-2.
- "the thinking man's action game" - proceeds to drop torps so close that they won't arm before hitting the dd - "realistic and free to play" - shows footage of carrier gameplay, the one class in the game with infinte planes. And let's not talk about the stupidly overprized op premiums/exclusive pre-launch ships they keep selling - "command some of history's most iconic war vessels" - laughs in kremlin and the rest of the russian navy Don't get me wrong, wows is a fun game, but this ad is pure art, I wouldn't expect less from a script written by wargaming
@@busteraycan They do, and they don't. They're not infinite, because the match will end by at least 20 minutes, they _are_ infinite in that your squadrons will continually replenish planes as long as the game is going on, which makes it more than possible for a carrier to launch way more planes in the game than it was ever able to even hold (let alone actually launch) back in WW2. Carriers do _not_ have a fixed air group size, they are only limited by their replenish rate in the game. Then you take another look at reality and see that most carriers during the war had half of their air group reserved for CAP (Combat Air Patrol) and defense with only half of their air groups being strike aircraft, and it gets even more ridiculous.
It had 8x2 5" (16) which is roughly 2.5x the firepower of a typical IJN Destroyer. 2-2.5x a typical USN Destroyer and as much as 3-4x a RN Destroyer. But regardless no carrier is designed to defend itself with projectiles. The AA is largely useless and mostly a deterrent and the 5" are more so there because why go without them and they just might save you or combine with other vessels to save you but mostly are intended for flak against planes. Carriers will never have 8", 11", 15", 16" etc because of the weight of the turret/ammo and space it takes up. And ultimately Planes > Guns.
I notice similarities between the nazis and imperial japan: build huge giant things, but hesitate to actually use them because either they were rushed or they were too valuable, and then be sunk by the allies anyway
This happened right after Leyte Gulfe, where Japan lost 4 carriers that could only be used as decoys due to lack of pilots. Shinano would make zero difference even if they finished it. Their Navy commanders surely had to know the war was lost at this point. They had suffered a huge loss at Philippine Sea, another huge loss at Leyte, and now Shinano sunk before being finished.
"The most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare." It would be more accurate to limit that statement to WWII. The Battle of Actium was more decisive since it immediately decided who would rule the Roman empire. The Battle of Myeongnyang was more stunning, where 13 Korean ships defeated a Japanese fleet that outnumbered them 10 to 1. Over 30 Japanese ships were sunk, others were damaged, and half the officers and men were killed or wounded. The Koreans lost no ships and had very few casualties.
I highly recommend a great book on this ship "Shinano the sinking of Japan's secret supership" it is wrote by the captain of the submarine that sank the Shinano, it even has hour by hour accounts from the crew of the Shinano.
It was a very good book and I have it on my shelf as a family heirloom. My uncle Erwin Stewart was on the Archerfish that day and, as written in the book, was first to make visual contact with the Shinano.
It was at sea for over 10 days... The photo that the Japanese fishing boat took which was that side shot was taken 10 days into her voyage to relocate to another port for finishing work.
Ummm? I really hate to be a negative Nancy. But pretty much everything said here about the Shinano is wrong, except some of the secrecy in its building. The hull was laid down as the third Yamato class Battleship. (Not really “bigger” or is so not by an appreciable amount. More like the way Wisconsin and Missouri are a hair longer than Iowa and New Jersey, but still considered the same class ships.) it was half completed and they honestly didn’t know what to do with it. It cost too much and used to many resources to finish it as designed. They desperately needed Carriers, but Battleship hulls make really really shitty aircraft carriers. A substantial portion of the Admiralty wanted to scrap it and use its steel to build subs and destroyers. Actually useful ships. But national pride veto’d that. Shinano was not and was never going to be a “Super Carrier”. Even the Japanese realized this. She was not even considered a Fleet Carrier. She was a “Support Carrier”. Basically a tender for their fleet carriers. A mobile airplane repair base that could also rearm and refuel Fleet Carriers. Simply put she was designed wrong for actual carrier warfare. Elements of her core design as a Battleship meant aircraft could not properly flow through the carrier to repaired, re-Armed and respotted on deck for a strike wave. She had lots of space to repair airplanes. But no possibility to flow aircraft through her to support actual carrier combat operations. Yes there was insane secrecy surrounding her. That was mainly carryover from the Yamato and Musashi, plus a certain degree of institutional madness. Her entire lifespan, from the first time she left drydock to when she hit the bottom was 10 days. She was enroute to a new dock to begin being fitted out. At the time she was sunk she had not yet been outfitted with watertight doors and hatches.
Yes I was thinking the same thing cause I know the Battleship New Jersey was 889 ft. long so this so called super carrier wasn't any longer just more stuff sticking out on it.
Rickarama Trama The big problem wasn’t the size. At that point the Shinano was about the same size as the Midway class Carriers, which were only a few months away. But her hull was shaped wrong for a Carrier. That was always the problem with Carrier Conversions. Carriers had three needs, Speed, Seakeeping and broad internal space running from stem to stern. With a converted Cruiser, Battle Cruiser or Battleship hull you could only get two of the three. Battle cruiser hulls like the USS Lexington and Saratoga made for nice stable roomy carriers. But they could just barely get up to operational aviation speed. Cruiser hulls were OK. The 9 US Independence class carriers were nice and fast, but barely had enough room for planes, and were horrifying to be on during rough weather. See TheHistoryGuy’s video on Typhoon Cobra, for a good tale of a US Light Carrier in a bad storm. Battleship hulls were the worst. They had all the bad sea keeping of Cruisers, but to achieve speed they used sharply tapered hulls, which limited hanger space. At the same time they had tons and tons of weight in the wrong places. By the time you bolted a flight deck on you had added so much topside weight that a stiff crosswind would make them feel wobbly. At Midway the Japanese had the converted Carrier Kaga. It was slow awkward and turned out to be nothing but the biggest target in sight. Whereas the much smaller but purpose built Hiroyuki and Soryu were much more effective Carriers.
By the time it was going to be launched the Japanese had decided to use it only to ferry aircraft. As a combat aircraft carrier it would've been useless since the IJN was pretty much out of trained naval pilots. This shortage of pilots is one reason that during the battle of Leyte Gulf the northern force of Japanese carriers were used as a decoy only and hardly had any aircraft aboard those ships, they were deemed expendable.
The ship shown from 8:50 through 8:56 is USS Enterprise (CVN65) commissioned in 1960, 15 years after Shinano was destroyed. The ship shown underway after that was a WWII US carrier - this is a forgivable substitution for illustrative purposes.
@@razorwire3056 Get built, get fawned on for its absolutely amazing stats, do absolutely nothing except float menacingly in a home port, sortie in a desperate attack on American invasion forces, sunk by some American aircraft halfway through.
I put him at 0.75 speed - otherwise unintelligible. Maybe he can make videos ('maybe': in this doc he forgot to mention what happened to the crew, any survivors (other than the civilians) etc. And what impact it had to the overall Japanese strategy. I know..... 'details' (as they surrendered, 9 months later....)), but he should not voice them.
When Joe Enright surfaced the Archerfish at night to perform an "end around" and try to gain a firing position ahead of the carrier, he signalled Admiral Lockwood at ComSubPac, who replied: "Keep after him Joe, your picture is on the piano!" LOL.
@Julie Towle Okay, but picture a video game. Where you get to sink... An aircraft carrier submarine with 3 railguns, CIWS, SAM launchers, and a batshit crazy captain.
By the time she was launched, the Shinano was basically an ineffectual white elephant. You can build the biggest carrier in the world, but it ain't gonna do you much good if you don't have any planes and/or pilots to fly missions off of her.
Small correction - because the Shinano began life as a supposed battleship she was named for the ancient Japanese province of Shinano (which was/is roughly in the middle of Honshu in the Mountains) and not some town. In this the battleship naming convention for the Japanese was the equivalent to that of the US’ - named after one of the most important subdivisions of the nation (provinces for Japan, states for the US).
A Japanese super carrier was never better than an American submarine, just as an American super carrier was never better than a Russian submarine. It's amazing how many American super carriers have been sunk by Nato submarines during drills.
@Kilo Whiskey Good luck trying to splash a re-entry vehicle that will detonate 500 metres above you. Also those drills, you seem to think that the subs are the friendlies, they are not, the CVs are the friendlies, the drills are there to safeguard America's 10, not destroy Russia's 1! And in every battle almost the CV is sunk, no surface vessel is guaranteed to always spot a sub and in 20+ years of drills that seems to be true because somebody gets underneath the carrier every time..
The US navy had 14 operational Essex class carriers, all of which had air wings in excess of 100 aircraft, rendering this whole episode as a fascinating historical side note.
Nazi Germany: largest super tank project (too expensive and slow, failed) Imperial Japan: largest battleship ever made (too big of a target, not enough AA guns) Also Imperial Japan: largest supercarrier ever made (poorly commanded, crudely assembled) Why don't the axis just learn from their mistakes and stop making massive things that fail?
Amazing video. I didn’t even know this took place in WW2. I only knew about the battle of midway where I thought Japan had lost basically its entire fleet of naval ships including its 4 ONLY carriers. I didn’t know they had one built in secret with such desperation. 1 US submarine happened to sink the biggest Japanese carrier although from the information provided it was poorly constructed.
It’s aircraft capacity was only 47 aircraft. Which is worse then Akagi and Kaga Japan’s first fleet carriers and all American fleet carriers. The only thing super about this ship was it’s wasted potential due to crap redesign and size.
>"Each of the 300 available warships (..) take the production teams over 6 months to create" >Unless you are called Siegfried, then it can take about a year.
Both the Germans and Japanese seem to have had superweapons that were great on the drawing board, but lame on the battlefront. The Axis were not always the most meticulous planners.
stone1andonly sometimes dumb luck foil the best laid plans and other times it’s an American submariner with balls of steel and a salvo of crappy torpedoes 😉
@Steve Campbell Or an artillery piece that fires for hundreds of miles from a virtually immobile platform whose disassembly and reassembly makes it essentially worthless. It isn't as if America hasn't occasionally suffered from similar hubris - no matter who it is, it is about building smarter, not just bigger!
@Steve Campbell I had my time in the military, but as I've grown older, I've become one of those people who would love to see our government take a lot of that money we spend on "defense" and use it to educate our children, while the DOD has to hold bake sales to fund weapon purchases and development. Too much of our economy is centered around the creation of weaponry, from small arms sold to our own citizens to weapon systems sold to governments that we call allies - even when their interests and motives clearly undermine American interests and human morals. There is a difference between national defense and using military might as an economic crutch - the latter of which has apparently become a continuous national priority since the Reagan administration. What I fear most is that one day soon, we will become the "bad guys", and it will be us against the world - and we will clearly have been the ones in the wrong. I still want to believe that we are better than that. Please pardon my pontificating, but it is how I feel. In my mind, the wisdom of an old soldier should include a wish for an end to war - an unrealistic dream, perhaps, but preferable to the nightmare each family suffers when they must bury a child we sent to fight a needless war. I was lucky to have never seen combat, but too many families since have not seen the good fortune I had in that regard.
@Steve Campbell There is only one super power. Of whom were you thinking? China cant project power, neither can Russia.. With an aircraft carrier task force you take entire squadrons to bear. No other country has this capability. The support ships, Cruisers , Frigates, Submarines, Destroyers and Oilers all support/protect the carrier. The Modern carrier, Ford Class, not Nimitz, carry an array of new technologies and weaponry. Mag-lev for catapults, increased outputs from both reactors, laser weapons, I can go on. When there is a threat to the US the first thing a President asks is, "where are the carriers"?
Sinano is like one of those all-powerful superweapons the bad guys reveal out of nowhere that our heroes manage to destroy in like one episode and then nobody ever talks about it again.
It’s not even in it’s final form yet
Because shinano was not a super carrier it was a converted battleship support carrier.
Well it did kinda suck, relatively speaking.
As in it could only carry a few dozen aircraft when Allied competitors could carry hundreds. It was made to basically be a Aircraft & Supply Transport. Not a proper Strike Carrier like the Carriers at Midway
Considering its interior bulkheads were hollowed out for Transport purposes, it was much easier to sink. Where the Yamato & Musashi took a brutal amount of punishment to destroy.
@@gilbertosantos2806 I love how the Japanese put so much effort into the ship and swore it would be great only to be sank before it actually had any impact on the war. Huge slap in the face and I love it LOL
@@gilbertosantos2806 I'm not even sure it could function as a carrier due to its slow speed of 28kts.
They forgot to mention how significant USS Archerfish was. The sinking of the IJN Shinano was the largest vessel to have been sunk by a submarine. That record still stands so far...........
Was the largest surface ship ever sunk, period yamato is the heaviest ship ever sunk
imagine destroying 3building with only two plane with two incompetent arab men armed with box cutter inside. really jogging your nogging.
robert goodman the tanker Seawise Giant is the Largest and longest ship ever sunk. With a displacement of over 650,000 tons fully loaded. She was bombed by Iraq during the Iran Iraq war. The USS America is the largest warship ever sunk at over 80,000 tons displacement, however it was sunk in a Sinkex not combat so Yamato or Musashi is the heaviest warship ever sunk in combat. Depending on which one weighed more at the time of the sinking. With Shinano also being the longest warship ever sank in combat.
@@Francois_Dupont the twin towers were destroyed by dynamite charges
@@stevenmcgee9588 that is a tanker we are talking about surface combat vessels and again uss america was not in combat, these are the largest and heaviest surface ships sunk in combat. Oil tankers do not count as surface combat ships
Japan: We have this secret super carrier.
US: Let's make it a super secret carrier.
Hey that thing is huge, it'll make a great coral reef! pewpewpew
The largest carrier of its time.
Im quite offended by the Yamato's Fate.
Must be really annoying to see 400 mosquitos
Good one lmao
Wow, a carrier and a submarine wrapped up into one....
Crew: *Sir, we got hit by a torpedo!*
Commander: *Don't worry, they're inaccurate.*
Crew: *ok*
ikr lmao, stubborn af
American torpedos were poor early in the war due to both a poor firing pin and a bad magnetic influencer. Even late in the war the Japanese “Long Lance” torpedo was superior even late in the war.
rimmy use that logic aganst an mg42.........it killed the squad behind him.
Must be Commander Chael Sonnen.
@@AMD7027 The Torpedo issues for the US were taken care of long before this happened though. IJN command was just stubborn and inflexible to a fault.
Imagine being Commander Enright when he gets called to his superiors office and they tell him what he actually sunk.
Epic
Yea I bet or he literally jumped for joy because he single handedly change the course of the war and history.
@@m78e6q5 I wouldnt go that far. Shinano wasnt that important honestly
@@jakegalvin2229 yea because the super carrier is not the most sophisticated piece of technology at the United States military has to rule the oceans currently at this time. Dont read much do we.
M78 E6Q not comparable
Japan: We have a new super carrier to surprise and intimidate our enemy
US: Oh boy look at that target.
And now enemies of the US are looking at US carriers as targets?
@@nightlightabcd Well I guess we need to wait until someone successfully targets a modern US carrier to know.
Well the US is considering not making any more Ford class carriers for that very reason.
@@lesteranderson6065 Another 2 are under construction and a 4th is confirmed
@@nightlightabcd WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?!!
"I sunk a GIANT carrier man, it was HUGE!!!"
"Sure you did man, LMAO"
I was thinking the same thing hahaha. “I swear it! She was the biggest ship ever”
Everyone rolling their eyes thinking oh boy another big fish story...
Proof that when China gets out of hand, we just need to take the leash off Japan!
Submarine commander: I sunk a Japanese carrier
US Naval Command: What carrier.
*which* carrier
Scratch one flattop!
"the smaller Musashi and Yamoto battleships" is a sentence you seldom hear.
Mostly because the statement is false.
A False Statement. Shinano was to be the third super-battleship, sister ship to both Yamato and Musashi. So they would have been roughly the same size. She was repurposed into a carrier. Because she was originally meant to be the sister to Musashi and Yamato, she did become the largest carrier ever built at the time.
@@deathsheir2035 even "largest carrier" is a bit of a stretch... it was more like a 47-aircraft transport ferry that weighed 70,000 tons... 33,000 ton US fleet carriers carried 90-100 aircraft each. The Shinano, even after conversion was never intended to be anything remotely close to a strike carrier... at that point in the war, it was literally designed as a support ship and aircraft ferry.
It's not "a bit of a stretch" to call it the largest carrier. You don't go by aircraft capacity, or the size of its guns, to determine that. You go strictly by its tonnage in water displacement.
@@deathsheir2035 I wasn't referring to tonnage being a stretch, referring to the Shinano as a proper carrier is a stretch... it wasn't designed to operate planes in a naval combat action like any other carrier, it was designed as a support ship to carry supplies and ferry aircraft from point A to point B... hence I firmly stand by the statement it's a stretch to call the Shinano the largest carrier because the term carrier is very misleading to what the conversion was for.... tonnage don't mean jack if you can't even classify the ship correctly... the entire video was very misleading at best and an outright lie at worst about the role of the Shinano... and that's the truth. Tonnage or not.
Japan's secret supercarrier only seen twice in WW2- once when it was launched and once when it was sunk by US forces.
And it all happened within a day or so. Lol.
Americus Patrioticus same goes for that 1-400 super subs, they really didn’t have a chance to really battle, they were so late in the war that even the US intercepted one at the end of the war and seized it and were shocked at its size but had to sink it
@@nickmacias00 Well, they dissected them first, but they sunk them to keep the Soviets from finding out about them and learning to make better subs prematurely. The Japanese subs were, for most of the war, better than anything the Germans had. Germany really only caught up late in the war.
@@WardenWolf Uhh, I don't think the Japanese subs were better in design than the Germans. That is certainly not true by 1944 and 1945, as the German Type XXI Subs were revolutionary in design and completely outclassed all other sub types in the world (It fortunately came too late) .
As for Torpedos though, the Japanese Long Lance was by far the best, and that is what gave a lot of Japanese subs a killing edge.
However, Japanese subs' performance was still woeful on a strategic level. It was never used in a way that thoroughly disrupted American logistics in the pacific (Its most notable performance was probably the destruction of the Wasp).
@@WardenWolf
German submarines were so advanced that even though Germany provided a sub and all the technical specs for it's manufacture the Japanese did not have the technical expertise, facility's or tools to recreate them. -.- Get your facts straight.
Weirdly Dark Docs misses the more interesting story that intersects with this one. They mention the three destroyers providing escort when Shinano was sunk. One of them bares a deeper examination. The Yukikaze. The “Lucky Ship” or “The One that Survives”. She is the Japanese equivalent to the USS Enterprise. The one Japanese ship to survive the entire length of the war. From Pearl Harbor to 1945. She was present at most major battles and was oddly providing escort for each of the three Yamato class ships when they were sunk. Also remarkable for a Japanese ship, pretty much all of her crew came home alive.
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Thanks I love this type of history tidbits
does that mean there were spies on it or did it just bring bad luck to ships around it?
@@dot8470 It largely benefited from always being near a much bigger and better target.
@@andrewtaylor940 I'd say there could well be something to that!
*I was stationed aboard the USS Independence (CV-62) in the early/mid 90's, when it was home ported in Yokosuka Japan, and we spent a few months in Dry Dock #6 while I was there... During this period, in either 94' or 95', I heard about this ship and how the caisson had failed and flooded the dry dock, how the shipyard workers thought it to be a bad omen, and how it was sunk by a US submarine on its maiden voyage... But that was all I heard, and the last I heard about it, until I saw this video just now... Thanks for taking me back to my young adulthood...*
I was on the Indy too... 4MMR, from 96 to decomissioning in 98.
Japan: American torpedoes are weak and inaccurate, hahaha!
Japan: Let's build an extra-large ship so that they cant miss it, then!
To be fair, US torps were plagues with issues. So much so I label it as criminal. At this point in the war however, they were mostly fixed. Mostly. Even later in the war, some were still flawed, I believe USS Tang had one of its torps circle around and strike them instead of their target.
@@1977Yakko The US Navy still managed to wipe out Japan's merchant fleet, stranding and starving their troops on numerous islands all throughout the South Pacific.
@@cheesesandwich7338 Yes by using planes. Mark 14 torpedoes were absolute shit.
@@GetRealSin The majority of Japanese shipping was sunk by submarine. To the tune of around 70% IIRC. Yes, our torps were criminally defective for the first half of the war but for the second half, they inflicted havoc on the Japanese.
@@cheesesandwich7338 that's because Japan had virtually no protection of their merchant fleet.
There is a third photo, taken by a B-29 while on a raid on the shipyards that the Shinano was in while it was built
Source?
Cooe a page online about the Shinano’s hull shape. Can’t really say where it’s from, but it’s there
@@Cheese25536 _facepalm_ Source as in post a link you dingus... -_-
The source reporting the B-29 Photo of the Shinano in her shipyard is:
Enright, Joseph F. & Ryan, James W. (1987). Shinano!: The Sinking of Japan's Secret Supership. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 0-312-00186-X.
It was that B-29’s photo that put the Shinano into the crosshairs of USS Archerfish’s Torpedos.
The USA already knew that Japan was going to be building FIVE of the Yamato-class BBs, and it had known this since December of 1941. And when they finally began to have Photo-Intelligence Flights over Japan they spent a HUGE amount of time looking for where Ships #4 and #5 might be being built before they realized that the Japanese had probably cancelled Yamato-class #4 & #5, because the observation of the Shinano’s construction revealed that Japan had only two Graving Docks big enough to built a Yamato-class, and that with only one of those docks occupied, and the other filled with smaller ships being refitted or repaired... Well... It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that the Japanese wisely cancelled these ships to put the steel to better use in more Destroyers and ASW Ships, at the very least.
It is ironic that had the Japanese waited one more year to start these ships, they would have been a LOT HARDER to sink, given the Type 98 AA Guns, and the newer Directors that would have presented just as deadly as the USN’s early-war Mk. 28, 30, & 32 DP Twin 5”/38 Mounts. And the ships would have mounted 6 to 8 Twin DP Mounts of the Type 98 10cm/65 Guns to each Broadside, rather than the Five Type 89 Twin DP 12.7cm/40 Mounts that were too slow to track aircraft effectively. Although the ships would still have been hampered by the IJN’s refusal to deal with getting a Heavier Light AA weapon that was not hamstrung like the Type 96 25mm Light-AA Guns were with their 15-round (or was it 25-round) magazines. It wasn’t like they didn’t have access to the plans for a 40mm Bofors, or any number of OTHER larger light AA Guns (the IJN had 37mm AA Guns, 40mm AA Guns, and EVEN a 57mm Auto-cannon that used a BETTER system of feed than EITHER the Oerlikon OR Bofors). The Japanese kind of stupidly ignored all of the larger Autocannons they used in Aircraft that provided the use of other Belt-Fed or Hopper-Fed ammunition, which would make changing ammunition irrelevant to slowing-down the RoF of these guns, and a water-jacket isn’t a hard thing to design for any of these weapons. Imagine if the IJN had adopted the IJA’s 57mm Autocannon (It was basically a scaled-up Browning .50) as their heavy AA on Ships, along with the Type 98 AA Guns, and the improved DP Mounts for them (found on Agano-class CLs) on their ships prior to the war... We would likely have found their ships much more difficult to blow out of the water than we actually did during WWII... Good thing the Japanese were such dogmatic fools at the time.
But... These Ships were only “Secret” for a while in 1940, and “Janes Fighting Ships of 1941” included the “Yamato-Class” although “Janes” did not identify these ships as the “Yamato-class,” as neither did the US Office of Naval Intelligence, which called them “Nissin-Class[sic]” (This would ACTUALLY be the “Nisshin-class,” as the Japanese “Alphabet” does not have the character/symbol for “Si.” Only for Shi, Zi, Chi, or Ji)
In Fact, in my Copy of the “War Department / Basic Field Manual / Military Intelligence: Identification of Japanese Naval Vessels” dated December 29, 1941, the Yamatos are listed as being the “Nissin/Nisshin, and Takamatu/Takamatsu (Takamatu is another impossibility in Japanese. Like having no Sound/Phoneme Character for “Si,” the Japanese also lack a Sound/Phoneme Character for “Tu” and “Ti” as well, these being “Tsu” - つ - and “Chi” - ち - although the “chi” phoneme is pronounced somewhat like someone saying “tchi” with the ‘t’ barely being pronounced). It observed that these two were “Completed” and that an “unnamed Third Ship” was “now” (December of 1941) being constructed in the Dock where the previously constructed ship had been removed.
The Fourth of the Yamato-class, Warship Number 111, was laid-down in November of 1940, but work was halted in March of 1942, after 30% of the Hull had been completed, and even that was broken up. The Graving Docks where the Yamato-class were built allowed two of the class to be built simultaneously.
And the “Walls” built around the Construction Docks were built for the Yamato and Musashi, and NOT for the Shinano and her unnamed Sister, Warship #111. The Japanese freaking knew that the Allies were aware of the ships by 1944, and they just never tore down the freaking walls, because that would require Labor the Japanese didn’t have. Even though the walls were no longer necessary by that point, assigning men to tear them down would mean taking men away from more necessary jobs.
The video here is a giant load of BS from end-to-end.
@@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid yes I've noticed lack of quality in dark docs did such a large a/c carrier have about 40 a/c ? seems scant for size
By the time Shinano was launched, she was just going to be a huge support carrier...to support other carriers.
So even if she had made it to service, she would have been little direct threat to the Allies.
In history: Never joined any battle
Azur Lane: On the top of the tier list
Yep, haha
@GreenTea Dudd i already fully limit broke her. its easy.
@GreenTea i limit broke her by only grinding fox mines and shes soon to be cog awakened too
This comment contains huge amount of weebos that you can't handle. Ew
@@lordcumiring Then why you reply to a comment full of weebos?
"supercarrier"
she had hanger space for 40 aircraft.
she was supposed to be a "carrier support ship" A supply ship for fleet carriers and emergency/alternative landings.
Another reason the captain disregarded the Torpedoes was that the ship was built on a Yamato class hull. She should have been able to survive a torpedo attack. Only after the war was it discovered that the Yamato class battleships had a critical design flaw with the below sea level armor/ anti-torpedo bulge.
The author of this video needs to spend less time playing World of Warships and more time researching his videos... this is the stupidest stretch of a story of the Shinano i've ever heard... the Shinano was never going to be a super carrier... it was never designed as such ever. All the fluff words in this video are complete blunderbuss... the conversion was half-hearted and it was designed closer as an aircraft transport, as opposed to a strike carrier... yet the narration of this video tries just super hard to make it sound to be something it wasn't. Anyone who knows anything about the Shinano can only laugh at Dark Docs sad attempt to make this lame ship sound scary.
@@wolfshanze5980 even the Kaga and the Akagi carried more aircraft than Shinano.
Yet it took 19 or so torpedoes and some bombs to sink musashi, imagine what it would take if they didnt have that flaw.
@@AceYoPro Do you know why it took so many? Because they kept hitting the Musashi on BOTH SIDES at the same time... they were in fact, cancelling out their own torpedoes by essentially doing the counterflooding work for the Musashi's crew. They learned their lesson later when attacking the Yamato and focused torpedoes on one side only... which caused the Yamato to capsize.
Vinak .. shinano hull was weaker than yamato , the ship was sunk after 4 to 6 torpedo hits
"World of Warships is highly realistic"
*Destroyer laughs in surviving over-penetrations from a battleship*
that is a real thing look up taffy-3 USS Johnston story. Took a hit from Yamato and a bunch of Heavy Cruisers but the IJN admiral thought he was fighting heavy cruisers and fleet carriers for almost the whole battle so didn't switch to HE and IJN AP fuses were longer than US so most of the rounds just passed right through. Once they figured it out that is was escort carriers, destroyers, and escort destroyers they switched to HE and did massive damage. The Admiral decided to regroup and retreat not knowing that they held a huge advantage and the US had lost pretty much all its escorts and all was left was the small escort carriers. There is a great book about this " Last stand of the Tin Can Sailors"
War Thunder is way better
@@kartal_194 two totally different games
@@wesleyboothe3700 All true, those little tin cans attacked with such a single minded ferocity that Admiral Kurita thought he had engaged a major fleet. Kurita didn't know for sure that Halsey had fallen for their ruse, he believed his enemy might be Halsey's powerful 3rd fleet.
The US was heavily overmatched but some escort carriers and destroyers managed to engage Kurita's center force and take 3 heavy cruisers out, they damaged several more as well.
I say this with no hyberbole, the actions of the US destroyers at the Battle of Samar might have been the greatest moment in the history of the US Navy.
As John Boothe pointed out, it's not that absurd. Punching a large hole in a Destroyer without hitting anything vital is just going to make the damage control parties a little busy while they shore up bulkheads, seal up compartments and pump out water. The only thing there that would be a disaster is if it hit the ships magazines or the ships boilers (and, no, not for the reason of propulsion like you might be thinking - ever seen a boiler explosion? ever seen what happens when much colder seawater floods a super hot boiler? steam explosions are nothing to scoff at).
Captain: "Admiral, we sunk a thic japanse carrier"
Admiral: "bullshit"
Captain: "seriously..heres a pic i drew on a napkin"
Admiral: "ok here is ur navy Cross"
LMAO
He Sneakk
He Attacc
He gett Navy Cross
lol
"Gameplay is realistic and accurate." Clearly you've never played World of Warships, lol.
Edit: Holy crap this comment blew up.
It’s literally a script given by them 😂
when they say accurate, they mean its full of salty ppl in chat lol
@haox
If the battle of Midway was a WoWs match:
Battle of Midway, 1942:
Nagumo: f**k you Yorktown, you sunk all my carriers!
US admiral: ha noob
Yes it is realistic there where boats passing through trees,stone and sand.
yeah when time i went straight into a really good battle ship and destroyed it by ramming it and going suicide lol
i also used a japanese warship to do this
Japan: Builds super carrier
US Submarine: So you have chosen death?
Good one~!! I was going to say "Japan builds super carrier" "Archerfish says=Hold my coffee".
Japan builds submarine aircraft carriers
@@RickaramaTrama-lc1ys Don't fall for the stupid narration in this video... the Shinano was a joke from start to finish... it was never a super carrier, nor was it ever intended to be... it was a really big transport ship... nothing more... the narrator is just using fluff words and implying things that never were.
But US built USS Midway, it is also a large target.
Why do poeple have to State the obvious for the need to pal around with someone you will never meet seems kinda fake to me
Made use of the 3rd unnecessary and 1/3 completed Yamato class hull. Despite it's huge size it carried only 47 aircraft. 2 boilers never worked. Fire proof material not installed. Crew not fully trained. At best a potential super carrier.
Finally someone said it. It’s aircraft capacity was worse the Akagi and Kaga Japan’s first fleet carriers. The only thing super about this ship was it’s wasted potential due to crap redesign and size.
it was also designed to be a support carrier and was never meant to be an actual carrier, really is at best a potential super carrier
Naktibalda that’s what I’m saying they just lost 4 carriers so what they needed was fleet carriers. Instead they built this giant waist of space as a support carrier. Which works if you are doing it like the Brits and have enough carriers to support using smaller carriers. I wouldn’t even call this thing a potential super carrier if properly designed it could have been somewhat on par with the Midway class so a CVB essentially Large Fleet Carrier, but then Japan wouldn’t have had the trained pilots to utilize it anyway.
Shinano carried 47 aircraft for its airgroup, and could carry 120 replacement aircraft for other carriers and airbases, which in theory could give it a 167 strong airgroup
@@lillefighter The airgroup is only the actual aircraft that the ship can operate in a given time. Shinano could never launch and recover so many aircraft.
Azur lane Shinano: A UR ship that can predict event and can literally see other timelines by dreaming.
Real Life Shinano: please just 1 sortie then I sleep forever
Ah another Shikikan of Culture
Honestly didn't expect her to be a constructable UR rarity ship because of her service history, then I remembered how capable she would be if given enough service time to prove herself.
6:17
"THANKFULLY THERE WERE NO CASUALTIES?!"
WTF!!!!!!!!!!
@@tboda2621 HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHA funniest thing I've seen
Yeah I think she has narcolepsy or something. Sleepy fluff waifu
There was never any thought of Shinano showing up and striking fear into the enemy. She was not built as a fleet carrier at all and was intended for support tasks only--like supplying replacement aircraft and crews to the units that were doing the fighting.
Shinano's size was impressive, but it wasn't feasible to properly convert her into a fleet carrier. So, she was little more than a plane transporter. And she was sunk ten days after commissioning.
@Russ Gallagher Shimano was at an advanced enough state you'd have almost been better off just scrapping it and building a 70,000 ton carrier from scratch than trying to do a proper conversion. They could not have converted her.
@@wyattroncin941 Yeah, but that would’ve taken a few years. Faster to just convert I guess.
If Japan had time and sufficient resources and sufficient skilled man power then yes it could have been done. Problem was they had none of those things in any thing resembling sufficient amounts . Now it would not be as good as one of the size built from scratch as even under ideal circumstances sacrifices would have to be made to make a hull intended for a battleship work as a carrier.
If those torpedoes had been fired two years earlier they would probably have just bounced off. The type 14 had a lot of early problems.
Type 14 only problem was the magnetic detonator, the torpedo was good on range and speed
@@Robert53area plus the fact that the depth gauge was not properly located (too far aft on the torpedo body so water pressure gave a false reading) nor was it properly set with a warshot warhead (originally set with a much lighter weight in the front) so it ran on average 11-12 feet deeper than set. In addition the contact exploder was not robust enough so it was crushed by the impact of the torpedo against the target hull before it could perform its job. The depth sensor was relocated midships giving a better reading on actual depth and the contact exploder was modified with a stronger spring and changed in orientation resulting in good performance. The Mark 14 was still not in the league of the Long Lance in range, explosive power, or speed even after the improvements, but it did the job and the Japanese merchant marine now makes some nice coral reefs.
The great story is the Mark 13 aerial torpedo which did. not. work. period. Lots of dead US aircrew with no results. The Navy tapped the California Institute of Technology to figure out how the fix it and they hit a home run. The improvements that they recommended flipped the performance envelope so much that the torpedo that couldn't work to save a life was by the end of the war sinking everything it looked at.
Drachinifel has a whole video on the problems and evolution of the Type 14 on CZcams. Check it out, very interesting.
robert goodman and the rudder and the depth control
panachevitz the mk14 was originally a keel breaking torpedo with a contact backup the fact both detonators failed is a testament to how garbage it was
The IJN Navy: Shinano lasted for 10 days
Me an Intellectual: Spent 400 cubes just to get her
"Captain dismissed the damage as controllable because he had contempt for American Torpedoes"
The Japanese had a track record of having contempt for the US military. They dismissed the first bomb as not really a nuclear weapon. When concluded it was really one, they then believed America did not have enough fissile material for a second bomb, the poor souls in Nagasaki found out the next day they were wrong.
The US only had three operational bombs at that point anyway (or so I heard) so their guess wasn't too far off.
@@Epistolary8 I thought it was only two? But I could be wrong
@@mikebevan1034 they tested one, then japan was gifted the other two
And one guy found out twice. Tsutomu Yamaguchi. Tsutomu was explaining to his bosses in Nagasaki what happened to Hiroshima when the second bomb went off.
@@Epistolary8 I seem to remember that the US planned to build one every month, and had the production capacities for the fissile material needed.
Japan: We have release the largest aircraft carrier ever
American sub: Well thats alot of tonnage
The crew of that submarine should’ve be executed for war crimes. They didn’t even let the super carrier a chance to launch jet which makes me super angry 😤
@@KJ-is5ug wtf
Maybe it's because the torpedo was dived (~7m) so deep, into the weak point of an hull.
@@KJ-is5ug excuse me but wtf
It would be epic if the kamikaze jet crash and destroy us ships
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@@AP-bc7mg You accuse him of having to much spare time but still respond to his comment. 🤦♂️🙄
Never enough is it? Stupid ads...
@@AP-bc7mg you're a real horse's ass, and it dont take a veterinarian to figure that out. Do you comb the tail on your forehead left or right? Or do you just let it hang?
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"Sir, the ship isnt finished"
"Send it bro!"
U.S. sub skipper: "Up periscope" "Aha! Look, it's the Shenanigan!
As a young teenager I remember Capt. Enright giving a talk at the local library,
relating the spell-binding tale of sinking the Shinano. Though he provided many
details of his perspective, this is the most I’ve heard about the Japanese
perspective.
Yamato and Musashi were the same hull design, not smaller than Shinano. They were named for ancient prefectures, not towns.
The flight deck extended over the edge adding 33 feet to the Shinano's length.
@@daniels.3062 that's true, but the hulls were identical and the battleships were heavier.
This video is chock full of misinformation and exaggerations in general. It’s very poorly researched
@@104thDIVTimberwolf Not quite identical, but really darn close. Shinano was to be built to a slightly improved design, as the original armor scheme for Yamato was found to be more than was actually needed, at least in terms of belt armor. Shinano (and the planned follow on ships) were to have the main belt armor thinned slightly and the weight allowance from that change meant that other areas had their armor could be beefed up.
Additionally, even among sister ships, slight dimensional differences can arise when minor design changes are made based on the experience gained from the earlier ships. Musashi was slightly bigger than Yamato in certain dimensions, and Shinano was slightly bigger than Musashi in certain dimensions. Similarly, Tirpitz was bigger than Bismarck and Missouri and Wisconsin had improved armor schemes over Iowa and New Jersey. Additionally, Wisconsin ended up as the longest battleship ever built after she had her bow damaged in a collision and the bow of the incomplete Kentucky was spliced on to repair the damage, resulting in her gaining a bit of extra length.
That said, there are more than a few mistakes and exaggerations in this video, as others have said. Shinano was really the world's largest 'jeep' carrier, a concept that the U.S. invented and used small CVL's and CVE's for, which were either converted cruiser hulls or based on conversions of existing cargo ship designs, a much more ideal setup for the job. Honestly, I think the IJN would have been better off just completing Shinano to her original design (or something close to it) and using her as a coastal defense emplacement and floating anti-aircraft battery.
@@HARMstudio6 you act as if the video was researched at all... sounds more like the narrator did all his "research" by playing World of Warships.
IJN Shinano: *exists*
USS Archerfish: Is for me?
There's so much aura of mystery the Shinano had. Nobody really knows how well the carrier would have performed in actual battle. She's like that secret second sister whom even Yamato herself didn't know much of. Separated at birth. Went through numerous augmentations and experimentations. Killed the moment she stepped out of the trial grounds by an enemy personal on a scouting mission that engaged her out of panic of seeing an abomination of a creature.
Third sister.
16 hour shift? That is brutal.. you work in dangerous conditions for 8 hours and you’re day is only 1/2 through
Mike Neville what?
Deja Voodoo idk…something about a happy meal.
and the men riots on 12 hour shifts in Frostpunk...
they just hop up the workers on meth.
I’ve run some welding jobs where we’ll do 6/14’s plus more overtime usually and they’re absolutely terrible. We literally have breakfast, lunch, and dinner all while at work. Monday and Tuesday aren’t the worst but the rest of the week is so exhausting that I contemplate quitting every week
“Lmao get spawnpeaked nerd”
-Commander Enwright
One of Japan's most expensive ships, taken down by a single submarine.
The ship wasn't fully built tho, and they speedrunned the creation btw!
irl: that Japan's Secret Supercarrier Only Seen twice and suck 10 days after
Azur Lane: UR!
A shikikan of culture I see
When an German Mommy came to whoop you after replacing her as the best ship.
@@nathan5o479 don't blame though, blame her ships member that refuses to come to my port.
Ark Royal irl: Known for being involved in the sinking of the Bismarck & later got sunk by a U-boat.
Ark Royal in AL: A purple Elite ship who is also a Destroyer-con.
I never expected to see a shikikan of culture here!
I never realised just how terrible a ship this was.
Poorly conceived
Unfinished
20 zeros for defence in 44-45, totally inadequate
Hardly worth the steel and fuel oil
2500.crew ,
What a waste
It was a stop gap last minute change.
So to scrap it would have bean a wast that late in the war.
It could also have 40 to 47 plane's a common number seeing as most aircraft carriers were light carriers/esscort carriers.
tbh shinano was never supposed to be a battle or fleet carrier. She was meant to be a heavily armed ferry carrier , ferrying aircraft to air bases or other fleet carriers.
@@robinsonsstudios She was laid down in 1940 and construction was halted in 1941 as they discussed wether to scrap it as it was to be a battle ship but it wouldn't be finished till 1945.
In 1942 after the battle of midway it was converted to be an Aircraft carrier. Later deciding it would be a suport carrier and I'm positive the video did say somthing similar maybe people misses it as it was not clear.
I give them credit they finished the ship even when it had been rushed while not all boilers worked 8 out 12 is not bad if it had been given more time and a escort that sub would never have gotten that close but towars the end Japan had already lost to much and its remaining fleets were spread out to much. But if Japan had surrendered or pulled out from the war a year or 2 before 1945 the USA nor allied forces would have attacked Japan and probably would have alllowed it to keep its navy. American forces would have pulled out from Asia and head to the EU were ships were needed.
Japan was desperate for carriers and short on resources.
I read the book about this ship. It may have been the largest carrier but it did have one major problem.....no planes. At the time of it's building, Japan was at an all time low on the number of planes for the carriers.
My grandfather served as the doctor aboard the Archerfish during ww2. The story of the Shinano (or rather the sinking of) was very well known in our family but I learned a bunch i didn’t know from this video! Cool!
Also you’ve got the wrong submarine in this video. You’re using something similar to the nuclear capable SSN-678 Archerfish but it was the diesel-electric SS-311 Archerfish that sank Shinano
"Sir, our ship is sinking!"
"Pah! Western torpedoes have no honor."
"..."
“The smaller musashi and yamoto battleships”
Um wot, how god damn big is this ship.
The same size, it was originally a 3rd battleship, equal to the musashi and yamoto, but they just put a deck on the hull instead. The deck makes it a bit taller and longer
It was a sister ship to the Yamoto class, same hull design. The added flight deck extended its length by about 30 feet over the Yamato. Overall it was a poor aircraft carrier intended as a fleet replenishment ship, not a front line carrier. The Japanese Shōkaku-class carried 72 aircraft and 12 spare planes at 32,000 tons. The Shinano carried 47 aircraft as more then double the tonnage.
Yamato*
Yes
Idk ask the fish. They seem to have a pretty good idea.
I remember this was a level in the old Silent Hunter games...
It was Silent Service II, not Silent Hunter.
me too...never succeeded in sinking it. Moving too fast.
@@meeborggp9055 I remember that game, I actually got it on Steam. Either that or the first one, from this retro company.
Shortly into playing it, I remembered how useful the keyboard overlays were when the game actually came out on floppy disk. Old games RARELY had any button customization, so you HAVE to use the controls and key bindings they give you.
I quit playing after about 5 minutes of starting up the game.
You find the most critical videos to support your narration, like the "4 japanese carriers sunk" being painted off. Incredible
A super great story .This story had my full 100 % attention.I had never heard of this story before.
Don't pay attention to it because most of it is bullshit.
@@73Trident How so? At least elaborate if you're going to say as much.
A book was written about it in 1988 called Shinano!
@@Aaron-rj7bv Off the top of my head:
1) It was effectively a Yamato hull with a few improvements, since it was laid down as the third of the class. So Yamato and Musashi weren't really smaller as they seem to imply. Not to mention, Yamato and Musashi were both at least 5,000 tons heavier based on the stated standard loads.
2) Shinano was never intended to be a "supercarrier", which should be obvious by the aircraft capacity of 47. No one in the IJN would have been stupid enough to think this was a combat ship. Supposedly the construction was too far along to convert it into a fleet carrier in the same way the Lexington and Saratoga (or the Akagi and Kaga, for that matter) were converted. It was meant to be a support carrier, acting as a maintenance and ferrying facility. At least he mentions that part, but it's still ridiculous for him to imply it was some sort of last hope of the IJN.
Basically, this is a fluff piece, trying to drum up the drama. Implying that the US managed to kill a big carrier threat, when in reality it was the demise of a poorly thought out carrier that never really had much of prayer of ever being an influence on the war.
This story is 99% fiction... all this "super carrier" "strike fear" garbage is pure BS... this was a half-assed conversion into a half-assed transport ship... it was NEVER meant to be a strike carrier, and it was never an important ship... it literally was built and designed to be a TRANSPORT.
i wish this was my history class!
There'll be a lot less to learn in that, once they've torn down all the statues, cancelled the heroes & slimmed everything down to ONLY BLM..!
Iain Sanders stop crying
Well armed? With 16 .40 caliber guns?
Wait, I own 2 .40 caliber guns. I must be pretty well armed too.
@@francisbusa1074 40mm... Derp.
@@iainsanders4775 Yeah they're ruining history. We should not let then tear down statues. I think we should start jailing BLM rioters who do this. They should just protest in peace. It has worked more often than rioting
It wasn't designed to go with the "smaller Yamato & Musashi" battleships. It was the 3rd battleship of the Yamato class, the same thing. Same size.
Japan: makes a supercarrier
Someone: Takes a video of it
By late 1944 I would have considered the constant B-29 bomber streams over Japan firebombing all the cities a greater Bad Omen.
Yamoto, Yamato
Potatoe, Potahto
Let's call the whole thing off.
Didnt know Louie was japanese
Superstitious Japanese workers?. Could that be considered a work stress. related problem??. " Boss, I can't work today, I feel superstitious today."
I have read and watch tons of documentaries and this is the first time I have heard of this ship. Goes to show everyone all of the stories of WW2 may never be known.
THIS was the best integrated sponsor ads ive ever seen. I tip my hat. Not even annoyed about the ad or anything, just impressed by this flawless execution.
So when is someone going to find the wreckage and get some video of the monster..
"...and get some video of the joke transport"... there fixed it for you... don't fall for the stretched narration... this ship was no monster, it was a sad last minute conversion into a transport.
@@wolfshanze5980 call it what you want snowflake but it was a part of history during WW2..
It was a time for desperate measures of all combatants in desperate times..
And yes it was a "Frankenstein" monster cobbled together as a super secret last chance plan to starve off a coming hell storm of complete defeat and destruction!
Was it a success.. no..it was a complete failure but many people were working 24/7 to save their nation by all means necessary!
It maybe a joke in your mind but WW2 was no joke and neither was the vast resources, planning, skilled labor and security that was used to make this build possible as a tool for war!
@@recondrone6826 "snowflake"? Okay Millennial... try putting on your big boy pants and learning a little bit about the war. Don't be all butt-hurt when someone points out the massive errors and lies in this video... sorry if proving the over-the-top sensationalism in this video is a load of crap hurts your fantasies about the Shinano.
Learn a little bit about the weapons of war before you start name calling people for calling out the load of bullshit this video was, and you can now go back to your safe space millennial.
@@wolfshanze5980 ok boomer
@@barbaldo funny thing is, I bet you actually found this video made you smarter... and that's when everything in this video was wrong... let me know when you actually have something intelligent to add to the conversation. You may resume using your crayons now. Wake me when you learn something about WWII you didn't get from a video game. Try saying something intelligent... I bet it's a stretch for you.
Man, everyone is shilling for F2P games these days. It's crazy. On topic, the Japanese were experts at wasting resources on pointless projects, just like the Germans. For the amount of material wasted on this lumbering behemoth, they could have made at least 2 or 3 normal-sized carriers instead of one massive one that would have proved exceptionally easy to hit because of its ludicrous size. The Japanese Navy barely had fuel to run the ships they already had, so who the hell approved building this?
I completely agree with your assessment.
@A P even Galtieri will see this as stupid lmao
I guess some projects are built because of their psychological effect. The yamato was a similar project, also the german P1000 Tank. I can imagine that having to face the p1000, seeing it roll towards you, will crush your moral considerably.
@@ABW941 The yamamoto at lest had a purpose. It was built in a time where battleships where still considered the most important asset and it was designed to be so far ahead of allies ships that it could fight more then one on equal footing. This carrier was the next step in that principle so it was designed to kill the ships that where built to fight the yamamoto, the problem was the carrier was superior to a battleship and I imagine a last min conversion was better then launching it as a battleship or not completing it.
@museack Nah, it was never built because they figured out that it was better to use the 1000t of steel to build more tigers and stuff instead of building a thing that would have to move around towns or plow its way through them, and be unable to use bridges. BUT if i should ever make enough money i will build that bitch and drive it around for paying passengers.
Given the number of Carriers (28) and Escort Carriers (71) plus a few RN carriers that the US had by May 1945 this ship was always going to be sunk before it achieved anything, if not by the Sub, by airpower.
There's a lot of misconceptions about this carrier's air wing and plane count in storage, so let's elucidate with a quote from "Aircraft Carriers of the World" by Roger Chesnau: The ship's organic air group was intended to consist of 18 Mitsubishi A7M Reppū (Allied reporting name "Sam") fighters (plus two in storage), 18 Aichi B7A Ryusei ("Grace") torpedo-dive bombers (plus two in storage), and 6 Nakajima C6N Saiun ("Myrt") reconnaissance aircraft (plus one in storage). The remainder of the hangar space would have held up to 120 replacement aircraft for other carriers and land bases.
-Source: Chesneau, Roger (1995). Aircraft Carriers of the World, 1914 to the Present: An Illustrated Encyclopedia (New, Revised ed.). Annapolis, Maryland: Naval Institute Press. ISBN 0-87021-902-2.
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@@theducklover2652 watch it once ?
@@theducklover2652 He ment the sponsor ads.
- "the thinking man's action game"
- proceeds to drop torps so close that they won't arm before hitting the dd
- "realistic and free to play"
- shows footage of carrier gameplay, the one class in the game with infinte planes. And let's not talk about the stupidly overprized op premiums/exclusive pre-launch ships they keep selling
- "command some of history's most iconic war vessels"
- laughs in kremlin and the rest of the russian navy
Don't get me wrong, wows is a fun game, but this ad is pure art, I wouldn't expect less from a script written by wargaming
Yeah their ads are cheesy af but not as bad as mobile game ads I guess lol
Also there's 14 days of premium for free now due to SARS so that's cool
Carriers don't really have Infinite planes. I mean Midway had 130 planes and can only theoretically launch 95. Still super strong but not infinite.
Carriers don't have infinite planes in the game tho.
@@busteraycan They do, and they don't. They're not infinite, because the match will end by at least 20 minutes, they _are_ infinite in that your squadrons will continually replenish planes as long as the game is going on, which makes it more than possible for a carrier to launch way more planes in the game than it was ever able to even hold (let alone actually launch) back in WW2. Carriers do _not_ have a fixed air group size, they are only limited by their replenish rate in the game. Then you take another look at reality and see that most carriers during the war had half of their air group reserved for CAP (Combat Air Patrol) and defense with only half of their air groups being strike aircraft, and it gets even more ridiculous.
@@C-S-J Ahh, that explains why everyone always rags on them for being OP. I have only played WoW blitz, where every lost plane hurts like a mo fo.
“It was well armed....with 40 caliber dual purpose guns.” Im hoping they were bigger than that! Lol
It had 8x2 5" (16) which is roughly 2.5x the firepower of a typical IJN Destroyer. 2-2.5x a typical USN Destroyer and as much as 3-4x a RN Destroyer. But regardless no carrier is designed to defend itself with projectiles. The AA is largely useless and mostly a deterrent and the 5" are more so there because why go without them and they just might save you or combine with other vessels to save you but mostly are intended for flak against planes. Carriers will never have 8", 11", 15", 16" etc because of the weight of the turret/ammo and space it takes up. And ultimately Planes > Guns.
@@CallmeRoth Too much information for that penut
Seen twice: First seen by Reconnaissance Mission. Second seen by Submarine that would sink it.....
talks about Shinano, shows artificially aged footage of the post-Vietnam USS Enterprise...
I mean what can you do when you only have 1 picture from a sailor and a small footage from a patrol plane
I notice similarities between the nazis and imperial japan: build huge giant things, but hesitate to actually use them because either they were rushed or they were too valuable, and then be sunk by the allies anyway
This happened right after Leyte Gulfe, where Japan lost 4 carriers that could only be used as decoys due to lack of pilots. Shinano would make zero difference even if they finished it. Their Navy commanders surely had to know the war was lost at this point. They had suffered a huge loss at Philippine Sea, another huge loss at Leyte, and now Shinano sunk before being finished.
"The most stunning and decisive blow in the history of naval warfare." It would be more accurate to limit that statement to WWII. The Battle of Actium was more decisive since it immediately decided who would rule the Roman empire. The Battle of Myeongnyang was more stunning, where 13 Korean ships defeated a Japanese fleet that outnumbered them 10 to 1. Over 30 Japanese ships were sunk, others were damaged, and half the officers and men were killed or wounded. The Koreans lost no ships and had very few casualties.
I highly recommend a great book on this ship "Shinano the sinking of Japan's secret supership" it is wrote by the captain of the submarine that sank the Shinano, it even has hour by hour accounts from the crew of the Shinano.
Yes, captain enwright's book is a good one!! I think it was published twice, and the second time the title was charged,but it's easy to find...
It was a very good book and I have it on my shelf as a family heirloom. My uncle Erwin Stewart was on the Archerfish that day and, as written in the book, was first to make visual contact with the Shinano.
So, it lasted all of 15 hours at sea? What happened to the Captain?
He probably became a "democrat from California".
he went on speaking tours to warn about the dangerous american torpedo's
It was at sea for over 10 days... The photo that the Japanese fishing boat took which was that side shot was taken 10 days into her voyage to relocate to another port for finishing work.
He became a kamikaze rocket
He was demoted to Kamikaze Rocket
Japan: Look at our Supercarrier.
US Submarines: Look at that practice target.
"It was made to rule the seas..."
Gets sunk by submarine immediately
Dang it's like me trying to finish an essay a night before it's due 😥
Ummm? I really hate to be a negative Nancy. But pretty much everything said here about the Shinano is wrong, except some of the secrecy in its building. The hull was laid down as the third Yamato class Battleship. (Not really “bigger” or is so not by an appreciable amount. More like the way Wisconsin and Missouri are a hair longer than Iowa and New Jersey, but still considered the same class ships.) it was half completed and they honestly didn’t know what to do with it. It cost too much and used to many resources to finish it as designed. They desperately needed Carriers, but Battleship hulls make really really shitty aircraft carriers. A substantial portion of the Admiralty wanted to scrap it and use its steel to build subs and destroyers. Actually useful ships. But national pride veto’d that. Shinano was not and was never going to be a “Super Carrier”. Even the Japanese realized this. She was not even considered a Fleet Carrier. She was a “Support Carrier”. Basically a tender for their fleet carriers. A mobile airplane repair base that could also rearm and refuel Fleet Carriers. Simply put she was designed wrong for actual carrier warfare. Elements of her core design as a Battleship meant aircraft could not properly flow through the carrier to repaired, re-Armed and respotted on deck for a strike wave. She had lots of space to repair airplanes. But no possibility to flow aircraft through her to support actual carrier combat operations. Yes there was insane secrecy surrounding her. That was mainly carryover from the Yamato and Musashi, plus a certain degree of institutional madness. Her entire lifespan, from the first time she left drydock to when she hit the bottom was 10 days. She was enroute to a new dock to begin being fitted out. At the time she was sunk she had not yet been outfitted with watertight doors and hatches.
cheers mate good info thanks
Yes I was thinking the same thing cause I know the Battleship New Jersey was 889 ft. long so this so called super carrier wasn't any longer just more stuff sticking out on it.
Rickarama Trama The big problem wasn’t the size. At that point the Shinano was about the same size as the Midway class Carriers, which were only a few months away. But her hull was shaped wrong for a Carrier. That was always the problem with Carrier Conversions. Carriers had three needs, Speed, Seakeeping and broad internal space running from stem to stern. With a converted Cruiser, Battle Cruiser or Battleship hull you could only get two of the three. Battle cruiser hulls like the USS Lexington and Saratoga made for nice stable roomy carriers. But they could just barely get up to operational aviation speed. Cruiser hulls were OK. The 9 US Independence class carriers were nice and fast, but barely had enough room for planes, and were horrifying to be on during rough weather. See TheHistoryGuy’s video on Typhoon Cobra, for a good tale of a US Light Carrier in a bad storm. Battleship hulls were the worst. They had all the bad sea keeping of Cruisers, but to achieve speed they used sharply tapered hulls, which limited hanger space. At the same time they had tons and tons of weight in the wrong places. By the time you bolted a flight deck on you had added so much topside weight that a stiff crosswind would make them feel wobbly.
At Midway the Japanese had the converted Carrier Kaga. It was slow awkward and turned out to be nothing but the biggest target in sight. Whereas the much smaller but purpose built Hiroyuki and Soryu were much more effective Carriers.
@@andrewtaylor940 cheers mate
And not 69,000 metric tons. That’s 140,000 us tons, or much larger than our modern super carriers
Japan: creates supercarrier
USA years later: hippity hoppity you idea is now my property
Fun fact. Battle of midway is the only time 1 pilot got a hit on 2 seperate bombing raids on 2 enemy ships in 1 day.
My DCC would have a heart attack about these Damage Control mistakes in design.
By the time it was going to be launched the Japanese had decided to use it only to ferry aircraft. As a combat aircraft carrier it would've been useless since the IJN was pretty much out of trained naval pilots. This shortage of pilots is one reason that during the battle of Leyte Gulf the northern force of Japanese carriers were used as a decoy only and hardly had any aircraft aboard those ships, they were deemed expendable.
Precisely. That is why I found this carrier to not be a threat. I don't think the decoy had any planes.
The ship shown from 8:50 through 8:56 is USS Enterprise (CVN65) commissioned in 1960, 15 years after Shinano was destroyed. The ship shown underway after that was a WWII US carrier - this is a forgivable substitution for illustrative purposes.
My Daddy was in those battles in So Pacific on DD691 Mertz.RIP Dad and all brave men of WW2.
How to waste Resources and build an Easy Target:
All three of the super ships built by the IJN Would be sunk without doing anything spectacular in the war.
well yeah.... everyone talks about Yamato, but what did it do, really?
@@razorwire3056 Get built, get fawned on for its absolutely amazing stats, do absolutely nothing except float menacingly in a home port, sortie in a desperate attack on American invasion forces, sunk by some American aircraft halfway through.
This guy always sounds like he's in a panic.
I put him at 0.75 speed - otherwise unintelligible. Maybe he can make videos ('maybe': in this doc he forgot to mention what happened to the crew, any survivors (other than the civilians) etc. And what impact it had to the overall Japanese strategy. I know..... 'details' (as they surrendered, 9 months later....)), but he should not voice them.
I have put it his video 0.75% speed for that reason
@@ibubezi7685 Why watch the video if you cant even understand basic English...
I think he is trying for a new speed talking record.
he rAp
When Joe Enright surfaced the Archerfish at night to perform an "end around" and try to gain a firing position ahead of the carrier, he signalled Admiral Lockwood at ComSubPac, who replied: "Keep after him Joe, your picture is on the piano!" LOL.
i like the scripted ad xD "highly realistic" yes, i also remember tanks and battleships having healthbars xD
Now if only they had an aircraft carrier sub with a massive railgun
A giant sub with a railgun sounds cool popping in and out of coastal cities shooting at buildings
Dank memes or the capital of Osea during a war parade
Picture it!
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@Julie Towle Okay, but picture a video game. Where you get to sink... An aircraft carrier submarine with 3 railguns, CIWS, SAM launchers, and a batshit crazy captain.
By the time she was launched, the Shinano was basically an ineffectual white elephant. You can build the biggest carrier in the world, but it ain't gonna do you much good if you don't have any planes and/or pilots to fly missions off of her.
Small correction - because the Shinano began life as a supposed battleship she was named for the ancient Japanese province of Shinano (which was/is roughly in the middle of Honshu in the Mountains) and not some town. In this the battleship naming convention for the Japanese was the equivalent to that of the US’ - named after one of the most important subdivisions of the nation (provinces for Japan, states for the US).
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Yeah because accepting adverts are the only way to get paid is the reason there are so many ads.
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A Japanese super carrier was never better than an American submarine, just as an American super carrier was never better than a Russian submarine. It's amazing how many American super carriers have been sunk by Nato submarines during drills.
@Kilo Whiskey Good luck trying to splash a re-entry vehicle that will detonate 500 metres above you. Also those drills, you seem to think that the subs are the friendlies, they are not, the CVs are the friendlies, the drills are there to safeguard America's 10, not destroy Russia's 1! And in every battle almost the CV is sunk, no surface vessel is guaranteed to always spot a sub and in 20+ years of drills that seems to be true because somebody gets underneath the carrier every time..
"Thats a great ship. It would be *ashamed if something happened to it.* "
The US navy had 14 operational Essex class carriers, all of which had air wings in excess of 100 aircraft, rendering this whole episode as a fascinating historical side note.
The magic word being US. This is about the Japanese.
Nazi Germany: largest super tank project (too expensive and slow, failed)
Imperial Japan: largest battleship ever made (too big of a target, not enough AA guns)
Also Imperial Japan: largest supercarrier ever made (poorly commanded, crudely assembled)
Why don't the axis just learn from their mistakes and stop making massive things that fail?
Hahahhaha Yea AXIS
Desperation
They did and both went pacifist...
Well no, Britain, china and the USA all operate supercarriers larger than the shinano currently
Well lads, she's my half sister.
Holy sh- it's the big brother
Aren't you sunk?
It's breathtaking knowing the Titanic was still longer than her.
Really?
Amazing video. I didn’t even know this took place in WW2. I only knew about the battle of midway where I thought Japan had lost basically its entire fleet of naval ships including its 4 ONLY carriers. I didn’t know they had one built in secret with such desperation. 1 US submarine happened to sink the biggest Japanese carrier although from the information provided it was poorly constructed.
You ‘’thought’’ Japan had only 4 carriers, really?
Japan: *laughs in 30 total carriers*
Oh boy a Japanese super carrier
It’s aircraft capacity was only 47 aircraft. Which is worse then Akagi and Kaga Japan’s first fleet carriers and all American fleet carriers. The only thing super about this ship was it’s wasted potential due to crap redesign and size.
Who wants fried rice?
They show the USS Enterprise.. The first nuclear powered aircraft carrier.. 1965.. Lol 😂 8:50
More accurately super transport... but even that is a stretch... terrible video, and very misleading.
@Loli4lyf But US built USS Midway, it is also even a large target.
>"Each of the 300 available warships (..) take the production teams over 6 months to create"
>Unless you are called Siegfried, then it can take about a year.
Each of the 300 warships took the production team 6 months to create.
That is 150 years
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Both the Germans and Japanese seem to have had superweapons that were great on the drawing board, but lame on the battlefront. The Axis were not always the most meticulous planners.
stone1andonly sometimes dumb luck foil the best laid plans and other times it’s an American submariner with balls of steel and a salvo of crappy torpedoes 😉
@Steve Campbell Or an artillery piece that fires for hundreds of miles from a virtually immobile platform whose disassembly and reassembly makes it essentially worthless. It isn't as if America hasn't occasionally suffered from similar hubris - no matter who it is, it is about building smarter, not just bigger!
@Steve Campbell I had my time in the military, but as I've grown older, I've become one of those people who would love to see our government take a lot of that money we spend on "defense" and use it to educate our children, while the DOD has to hold bake sales to fund weapon purchases and development. Too much of our economy is centered around the creation of weaponry, from small arms sold to our own citizens to weapon systems sold to governments that we call allies - even when their interests and motives clearly undermine American interests and human morals. There is a difference between national defense and using military might as an economic crutch - the latter of which has apparently become a continuous national priority since the Reagan administration. What I fear most is that one day soon, we will become the "bad guys", and it will be us against the world - and we will clearly have been the ones in the wrong. I still want to believe that we are better than that.
Please pardon my pontificating, but it is how I feel. In my mind, the wisdom of an old soldier should include a wish for an end to war - an unrealistic dream, perhaps, but preferable to the nightmare each family suffers when they must bury a child we sent to fight a needless war. I was lucky to have never seen combat, but too many families since have not seen the good fortune I had in that regard.
@@stone1andonly Well stated and felt. Tragically, Humanity never learns. We are blind with our hatreds. And fears....and now Coronavirus...
@Steve Campbell There is only one super power. Of whom were you thinking? China cant project power, neither can Russia.. With an aircraft carrier task force you take entire squadrons to bear. No other country has this capability. The support ships, Cruisers , Frigates, Submarines, Destroyers and Oilers all support/protect the carrier. The Modern carrier, Ford Class, not Nimitz, carry an array of new technologies and weaponry. Mag-lev for catapults, increased outputs from both reactors, laser weapons, I can go on. When there is a threat to the US the first thing a President asks is, "where are the carriers"?