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#starcitizen - Hry
As a backer from 2016 I can say they are increasing the rate at which they introduce new features, implement tech, and new gameplay, but rather slow still. New backers should temper expectations as gameplay and features are still in flux. CIG is building the plane while flying it. I refuse to do any real grinding until most gameloops and flight models are fleshed out. Spend responsibly ppl!
I like this!
"As a backer from 2016 I can say they are increasing the rate at which they introduce new features, implement tech, and new gameplay, but rather slow still." Its not that the rate is increasing its that most of the stuff that's been worked on for years is "nearly done". as pretty much everyone has experienced in 3.23 most of the stuff is still not entirely done, and the core tech making everything possible is still not in the game but they are still pushing for it. The reason why CIG was slow with features is simple, its becasue of us. Way back when they started increasing the population cap and the server performance nose dived most of the features were put on hold until more of the Server backend was finished becasue we the players wanted something that was minimally playable. Since that time the CPU performance we have and the bandwith have doubled and trippled allowing for gradual expansion even though the back end is still not finished.
I have alot of ships in the game and haven't really played it much. But I found if I just let them be and not check every 3 sec of changes I found I was more impressed,as the last time I was in was at the expo last year and ignored it for like 4-5months, and then all of a sudden I found out the next ui stuff came out. I was surprised on how much had come out. So I think people need to maybe let them be a bit and come back when there ready. Excitement is real but checking the clock everytime just increases your issues with them.
This is truth right here. I do the same thing. It's a waste of energy to suckle the faucet incessantly for every drop. Let the bucket fill for a while and you'll be far more satisfied. When you do that, it's remarkable how far the game has come in just five years.
Now I have a Zeus Mk II to wait for by year's end.
You would be correct if you where talking about any other game developer/studio, but when you take into consideration that it took 10years to get this far your comment about experiencing major changes in 4-5months make no sense. 10 freaking years and still not released, at this rate 4.0 in years and actual release in another 10 years. No, don't even try to defend CiG.
@@Fazeshyft but the bucket has holes in it, its leaking.
@frapino Diablo 3 was in development for 12 years... and it was still a shit game. Plenty of games stay in development for 10+ years... the difference is, you don't know about them until it's announced... usually a year from launch. Give them a break...
@@coldsnap4467 This game has been in production for 14 years and is not a triple A title. It is still in alpha and is essentially a polished tech demo. Do not give them a break, this is not an acceptable return on what was promised when they asked for your money 12 years ago.
The scam allegations are just silly with the consideration that they employ hundreds of people, provide builds to playtest, and continually show what's being worked on a weekly basis. People can fault many things surrounding SC, dates have been missed, but they've completely forgotten that CIG's developing two wildly ambitious games at once and that it's still a crowdfunding project. Accept the risks that come with that or just don't pledge any money because you're not pre-ordering a game. Also accept that development is slower because they have to ship builds of the game every year that have some semblance of being playable. People seem to think all studios have working versions of their game through development, but the truth is that most games spend a majority of their development time looking unrecognizable compared to the final product. It's not until the final year or two that bug fixing, optimization, or any polish at all becomes a thing.
I think scam is a bit of a harsh word to use for it, but I also don't think that people who want this game to happen should be happy with how its developed so far.
Pre-production for this game started 14 years ago, and it is in alpha. This is only possible BECAUSE it had so much crowdfunding support behind it - and it should be seen as a failure of the crowdfunding system. Too many people were promised shiny ambitious mechanics if they could just pledge that little bit more, without considering that some of those tasks would be enormously impractical or make development borderline impossible. There is a reason why most people aren't successful venture capitalists, and its because they don't know what products will see the light of day and what products sound too good to be true.
I wish star citizen the best, I found this video while searching up if star citizen was remotely enjoyable or playable currently because I have interest in it, but I also acknowledge that it only lives on through sunk-cost and the hope that one day the people supporting it might get a shadow of what they were promised 2 decades later.
@@eewweeppkk For someone that have been a backer since the hangar module i think they have blown every expectations so far. The game is insanely impressive and its been many years, but we only think like that cause CIG has been open with they're development. Escape from Tarkov have been under development for 12 years on a pre-existing engine and its a FPS game. With the games that are releasing now i wouldn't rush CIG at all, let them develop and follow this insane dream. They have surprised me every year with crazy new features. 3.23.1 right now is the best the game has ever been
not a scam but a long string of broken promises.
@@Avean Yeah ok the tech is impressive but I still haven't been able to play the 'game' so far. Every time I login I logout 1 hour later. I own the game for like 10 years and got like 20 hours of play out of it maybe.
You fall through elevators, NPCs are glitched and don't work 99% of the time, the missions bug out half the time, and they are also not very good either, there isn't much to do outside of flying around the planets. Every system in the game bugs out constantly...
I would expect after 10 years we would at least have more stable playing experience.
"they employ hundreds of people, provide builds to playtest, and continually show what's being worked on " Yeah Enron, Theranos, CanApp, Varies real estate property development companies, that turn out to be frauds and scams, provided a legit business front until the house of cards collapsed in on itself. so no that is not a valid defense. and you're using old old tired talking and defense points, that held up in it's first 8 years of development time ... but it's over 13 years and still counting with nowhere insight that the game will be delivered and even near anywhere finished as was the product pitched, thus rendering your old talking/defensive points invalid.
I have to disagree. After 12 years of game development, the one thing CIG has never failed to deliver on schedule is an excuse. I find it hard to believe that they have run out or could run out. CIG is teflon when it comes to accountability. I understand what you are saying. CIG is just simply to creative when it comes to excuses. As soon as you think they will not be able to do it anymore, mark my words, they will surprise you with some amazing innovation.
Idk if their creative heard a dev or jerid call it a "live service game" dear Lord or another dev say "game dev hard" like for actual frick sake you guys have so much tier zero stuff and no foundation.
@@guynamedmaggi5520 the foundation is server meshing. And it is not ready yet. Everything will rest on that technology. Once that is in everything will have to be reworked to be functional in that framework. It didn't make sense and wastes money to go back and rewrite code for a lot of the features when you will have to do it again for it to work with server meshing. In some cases, it did, if there were game breaking bugs where they couldn't get data to test from how players play the game. Basically, this is triage development. Thankfully we are getting closer to server meshing where these gameplay loops will be able to be implemented to their full potential and we will see what the final vision for the game will look like.
Indeed. Chris Roberts and his cohorts are prolific conmen.
Its a scam
@@davidlondon9242 The Meshiah will save us. Hail the Meshiah!
It smells like Deralict Smart in here
We’d all be richer if we listened to him.
Don't you mean derelict fart?
@@SpaceDad42 line of defense is better than SC because it is a finished game
@@Dumb-Comment
Wtf? An old looking game not even from the same genre? Mario cart is also a finished game…..Star Citizen is a great game, the company however is run by a bunch of slimy d-bags.
@@Dumb-Comment I thought LoD never made it out of Alpha. I almost bought into it just to see if he was truly making something impressive.
I think LoD could have been an excellent PlanetSide 2 or M.AG.-like game but with all the extra gribbles Derek wanted to toss into it.
But Derek's assholery got in the way of the progress of his game and it died a death instead of flourishing.
They fixed multi-crew bed logging! Bed logging will be optional soon just used for a rested buff and logging off can be done standing where you are and when you login you will respawn at that location, so as long as your ship is still in the verse they will log back in on the ship.
That’s terrible news but thanks for spreading the facts . Looks like the start of people placing their alternate accounts at different location to teleport spawn in on command, hard out there with a solo account . Hf
Good show! I have never been in the "it's a scam" camp to any degree. I'm much more interested in SQ42. So, if I get a 7 out of 10 quality, Wing Commander reimagining then I'm golden and CIG is cool in my eyes.
The worry I have with SQ42 is they wont be able to make it as good a game as they would want to because it would be competition to Star Citizen.
Kind of like how Rockstar kept updating GTA Online but never added any DLC to GTA V single player. They want people to play online, so they are a potential customer to buy ships and other stuff.
If they made SQ42 exactly like Star Citizen but it was single player, a lot of people would just play that instead of logging onto Star Citizen, which is a potential ship buying customer lost.
14 years of development just to deliver a 7/10 Wing Commander would definitely NOT make CIG cool in my eyes.
@@eewweeppkk Exactly. And I've been waiting for a proper WC sequel/spiritual successor for 25 years since finishing Prophecy. I genuinely don't know why someone else hasn't at least tried to make a space combat simulator, but then no one besides Ace Combat even make Earthbound flight simulators anymore. Meanwhile pretty much every other genre has dozens of options... and in a few cases way too many.
Since I've seen it so many times that the same old bugs come back after new patches, it seems like they've never really fixed them before. Just somehow just got it working for a moment. It's hard to believe in them that they can really fix this finally so that you don't get that frustration that we always feel when you've really worked hard for a certain goal and then everything just disappears into empty space. Thank you for a great video DeadLeader - ♪♫♥👽 - Concierge (Legal_Alien).
I just want them to get simple bugs fixed. I spent an hour doing a delivery mission that involved me having to pick up 5 packages from 5 different locations. I managed to get all 5 packages into my ship. Then when it came to delivering them, I discovered that ONE of the packages I had on my ship I COULD NOT PICK UP. Therefore it could not be delivered. I logged off in hoping I could fix the bug, but upon logging back in, I discovered that the contract I was on was ABANDONED. The problem I am having with this game is that the numerous bugs cause the player to waste his time. Fix the damn bugs first before adding more features to the game!
the intro made me think Soap Opera, haha.
I have been playing this game for 4 years. PLAYING. Ive gotten my $ monies worth and then sum. Ive spent so much time playing this game it probably costs them money. This is my 4th Alpha and this is the only game that has kept me playing for 4yrs while other games your done in a month or so. We have issues and it feels slow but Helldivers2 took 8yrs and I played the shit out of that and now after 80hrs Ive packed it in because its just repetative. Copium o7.
Yea I never understand the whole 12 years thing, gta6 is going to be one fucking city and its like 10 years to make. and 2 BILLION DOLLARS LOOOOOOOL
Been a backer since 2017. At the point where I almost have the golden sniper. I have many ships, some worth $100 and some over $300. It hard when I bought elite dangerous at the same time. It’s crazy to see where elite dangerous went. I know star citizen is different however with each promise and each change. I look forward to playing in the future however I find taking breaks from SC when you get upset are important
It's also difficult when you make content for it and it's going through one of it's "moments" where you need to take a step back. YT algorithm punishes you to no end if you take a break from posting, but as you've said sometimes you really just need to take a break.
I think that's why so many SC creators seen to have fury in their blood lol
I am really starting to love coming into your videos ready to fight only for you to be incredibly level headed and not just being a doomsayer. it is genuinely refreshing to see when so often, generally, videos about games are either trying to get sunshine out of the arse of a dev/publisher or are just being tediously negative about a game simply to generate clicks. You should be, in my opinion, the standard we hold folk to. not being overly critical but also not being panderingly nice.
Really appreciate you saying this, both of those types drive me insane also. And I do admit I enjoy making people think it's going to be "One type of video" only to flip it on them before they know what's happened hahah
@@DedLeader i think of it as "positive clickbait" lol
I’ve been a backer since 2016.. the conclusion I have come to is that this is a game that has the potential to never be content complete. This could be the future of what the perfect MMO is.. something that changes with the decades but is cohesive to the overall universe being built. The last eight years has been an interesting journey, and the game is better now than it’s ever been. As long as CIG is still developing this for another 10 years, I’ll still be playing it.
All that being said: With the amount of money CIG has earned from ship sales… this game has ZERO excuse for ANY “roadblocks” in development. They need to change their language around what development on this scale actually looks like.
Don't get ME wrong...I gave your video a thumbs up...been saying this since I was a kid...there's a big difference between an excuse and a legitimate reason.
100%, the reason I used the word excuse is because that's what the SC critics always describe it as. And this news I feel is positive for everyone, critics included.
Which is pretty unique for SC announcements.
people no longer gave the benefit of the doubt, they gave doubt to the benefits
My biggest frustration is they are constantly adding partial features that never get finalised and then they move onto the next feature . I’d was hoping that after 10 years we’d have a game with core gameplay released and then new complete features added in future patches, rather than the never ending development to build the complete game. I wish there was a roadmap that said these are the minimum systems we need for launch and they were working towards it, but haven’t seen one
Ah, I understand you. Sadly that cant be done like this. For once, because of their style of funding - they would be portrayed as liars If they wouldnt at least show they implement V1 core of a gameplay after another. And more importantly, the different ideas are intertwined with eachother
3.23 just wants to make me rage quit. Cargo going missing, slamming into invisible objects, falling through elevators, falling through transit vehicles, dying for no reason, bed logging where you can’t leave your bed. The only reason I have in game money atm is because I am selling stuff from my local inventory. It’s completely fucked atm. Good luck to any new players during Invictus!
NO TRUST
Until the 5 major Kickstarter Goals are implemented and the Endeavor LIVES!
i tried playing the game again after 6 months, but the guns do so little damage now. they do much more recoil now which is cool, but bullets do almost no damage. in Arena commander, everyone just full sprint jumping around like an arcade game and takes half a magazine to kill someone. there is no reason to use semi-auto mode. these changes just completely kill the immersion for me.
its still a buggy mess but its a buggy mess that i keep getting back to when every other game fails .... and having fun despite the bugs so they must be doing something right
I think the hot take here is in the end when all is said and done SC is going to be just an "ok" game with a bunch of buttons you have to press to do anything.
I have been playing for a year now and committed myself to going another but I think I can see the writing on the wall....
I am a solo dolo so my perspective is yeah, I have a Carrack and was and a Reclaimer and will never get anything bigger than that. I have an SRV a Connie , Corsair and several fighters. So I have played around with the different style of ships and have reached the following conclusion.
All this game play loops they are promising are just going to be the same stuff in a different skin.
Data smuggling/ is cargo hauling.
Sure maybe their will be some other mechanic like cooling of something which will probably just be irritating.
I find myself playing more and more Elite Dangerous again.
I think for the foreseeable future (and I am talking 5 to 10 more years) its just a better game on balance.
Sure, it has all kinds of problems and it's dated in some areas , hell I will give you every criticism you make BUT it has a sense of togetherness and vision SC simply doesn't have.
Secondly from the perspective of a solo player when I team up uts so much simpler to invite 3 friends pick our ship and activities and not have to worry about in detail repairing modules , hand loading cargo (that shit is insane) , shoot size 3 shields and not doing damage unless you are behind them lol (for a year)...
I guess I am saying yes Elite in some ways is a much simpler game but I have come to think that is a good thing. It's way more focused and it pretty much works.
10 years in and still 1 star system in a space game is nutty to me. In a space game the space itself is a major character and while it's very pretty it's so small.
Let's say they get Pyro this year ( we shall see lol) it's still going to be tiny in comparison to games like ED and X4.
Lastly the one thing I really liked WAS (as a solo player) the way combat "felt". The speed and maneuvering of the fighters . Now that shit feels horrible. MM is just bad in my opinion. I don't know how they managed it but it made go back to ED combat. To me it's now in the middle of master modes and the original 3.18 feel.
It's crazy and I never thought I would say ED has better space combat but at this point it does...
The on foot stuff in both games is not very good I'll say. ED I think actually works way better but feels "old" like a shooter from 10 years ago. SC is just broken lol but when it's work feels slightly better I guess. As it stands right now though the detail is simply and giant pain in the ass.
Why don't medpens go straight to you leg when your out of combat and open your inventory lol? Or why and when will a pre set come into the game that let's you pre assign basics? To me it just gets in the way.
ED really has alot of the same mechanics in it but it's all assigned to general menus you can use on the fly. Either you have a medpac or you don't, but it's right there ready to use...
Elite also has a fully fledged engineering system (while way to grindy) but it's there and offers alot of variation on ship and on foot builds.
Sure all this stuff will (supposedly) come to SC at some point in the future but I have to wonder by then if another game on much newer tech and way more focused on its ideas will emerge and dethrone SC before it even comes out...
I wanted to love SC way more than I do, I too was wowed by the way everything looked and the sounds etc etc.
But after a couple of months and to me the disaster that is master modes the game is looks like its going to turn out extremely average and overly complicated for no reason but to say it's "in the game".
I just forsee a future where you either play alone doing a variation of the same thing or have some ORG morons sweating you to play some boring azz role on their supper heavy Mongo crusher ship they spent 5,000 on lol.
Just not an exciting future to me lol.
Am I missing something? Or did I fall into the hype and the beer goggles wore off?
Star Citizen is a Great game already. Most players have no problem with the "promises", the game is amazing and we are almost there.
Technically we're at 5.3 right now.
lmfao. You realize that version numbers and decimal values are NOT the same thing right?
@@Wylie288You realize I've spent the past two decades working on (architecting, selling, and delivering) projects of equal and greater scale to that of CIG/SC (7-9 figures) for the largest tech consultancy firm in the world, right? (Rhetorical)
@@jrddoubleu514 X
@@jrddoubleu514 Oh wow pat yourself on the back, what even is the point bringing that up? To show people your full of yourself?
@@JBeamGT3 It's a retort.
I'm not 'full of myself' I'm simply far more qualified than the ditz trying to mock me, and it is entirely just that I recipricate in kind with a similar mockery.
'You do realize..'
Really?
Re-read what I said and use your noggins dumb-dumbs, otherwise you'll get the same treatment you're handing out. The only difference, Is I actually know and am qualified to lecture/educate.
That's not 'high horse' bs. That's a fact.
Come back to me when you've got decades of experience in the industry, at almost every concievable level, and domain.
(Bid management, sol arch, enterprise arch, sol-config, pre-sales, sales, ecosystems, development and delivery, and testing.)
No, it's not 'do I realize', it's you don't realize.
I don't have to pat myself on the back.
What's your resume look like. Oh wait, I don't care.
Now get off my thread. I do not exist to serve and facilitate the infantility of complete strangers.
As long as I accept it is a ship sales platform and not an innovative immersive game environment with functional reliable game mechanics with major bugs not being worked on. Its moderately useful as a occasional distraction to other real games.
i spent 56 bucks on a starter, thats what its worth to me, and i had some fun für a few month, now i wait until its done to try again...
it`s a bunch of vertical gamplay slices, once they connect those and it becomes a game it might get interesting... maybe
there needs to be a main quest and side quests for it to be an MMORPG, so far it misses the RPG part alltogether... no progression other than making money to buy more ships in game, but i already have them all, what now?
Sure we can all bash the dev's, call out Chris or whatever. But the thing is those who bought into the game knew upfront exactly what you were buying into. It was never advertised as a complete game, it is in fact advertised as an Alpha game which means it is currently in development. Not sure why or how anyone can fuss at SC for that when YOU are the one that accepted the terms.
Like they even tell you the risks of investing before you do and people still get mad. I've heard from English teachers that reading and writing is out the fucking window with the younger generation. And these idiots dont read something before they invest in it.
People are short-minded and don't do proper research before buying they just see the pie in the sky advertisements/vertical slices and buy in buy in buy in. I would blame tiktok on this one but this game started over a decade ago lol. People on the internet are just dumb..
There's also a penchant in today's society for people to complain and raise hell to gain attention and to feel relevant.
Bought in in 2013. Getting way more than I originally paid for.
Spent way more than I had planned. But never forced to pay more. It was always my choice.
I got no complaints.
The world might implode before CIG releases a 1.0. But we'll have way bigger problems by then, and forget all about SC.
Complaining about a game in todays world, seems like a complete disconnect to whats really going on.
I can't even properly play 3.23.1 because CiG is screwing up the game with new bugs or break old stuff all over again that was fixed before. This seems to be a recurring theme with CiG. In part the update is quite good but then they break such things like being able to use Ctrl/Shift/Alt keys in the input customization which prevents one from using their preferred keys, etc.
Its because of no real structure in house, different teams are working on different builds, the longer something has been in development the older the build its likely to of been developed on and when they merge their code they merge back in old bugs which then wastes time and money to fix those if they ever get fixed. It seems like they've hired some better talent to do the coding in recent times but the core of f'wits running the show is still the same.
Let's all be grateful we don't have to track GTA6 development - game development guys game development
I've played on and off since 2014. I've always kept the same opinion regarding the funding. I don't judge others on how they spend their money or their time.
If you worked hours of your life that you'll never get back for your money at a job, and then choose to buy a ship and spend more hours of your life you'll never get back flying it, more power to you. If you want to blow that on hookers and cocaine, more power to you.
It's always just been a game to me, something to escape the bullshit reality we all live in. I don't give a shit about all the tech, all the promises, all of the cinematics.
All I want to do is get off work and have fun for the 2 short hours I have a day to do something other than sleep or work.
it really is turning from a pay to win game into more of an actual proper scam now.
Its a walking simulator for over half a billion bucks
Sounds like it's all on track... not necessarily the planned track, but it might just work out.
According to the last Q&A stream with some developers, they can do everything, but the problem is not something breaking or redoing X something to make Y work, but it seems that everything is related to time, there are X developers working on just one thing, and which fits into a specific readmap where each little thing they want to fix or add something new, lasts months. Do you want something reworked, wait 12 months, do you want a ship added to the game? wait 8 months, and so on.
Thats called scamming people
First time here. That intro _SENT_ me, my guy.... my soul left my body
I've been hyped and de-hyped about 4.0 for a while now. I'll believe it when I see it
Title sets the wrong tone for the video, the video isn't bad. I do agree, with server meshing and the other tech (server replication, persistent entity streaming, etc) they are going to quickly, if not almost entirely run out of excuses for why they don't have things like more systems and large multi-crew ships.... even things like NPC crew and AI turrets.
Because all of those things increases server load. The servers already can't properly run the AI if they are more than 50% populated. How the actual fuck do you think adding more work that needs done by the servers is something they can do "just because"? Do you think computers are magical and don't obey the laws of physics, space and time?
@Wylie288 the things I mentioned relieve the server load by distributing it across multiple servers as opposed to just one (while the replication helps with stability). This has already been demonstrated in-game live.... they temporarily got the instance pop stable to 800 players. That's just early testing. Figure the resources that would be freed up with just 200 players in a system with the same number of servers....
We cannot milk the space cows, if we do not have the space cows...
Wish they would give those pesky npc pirate ships Master Modes and give us 3.22 flight back, because they could use a little tuning!
Too many things are small little things yet they actually are game breaking. Its starting to become time to go and get my money back. And I actually hate to say that because I really want this game to be something. Not talking about SQ42, almost no people give a crap about that game.
Theyve already been testing their new excuse with the MM discussion. “Game dev is hard”
Im so fucking mad about the master modes bullshit. Who does it benefit? Certainly not the cargo haulers, miners, or salvagers they claim it does.
Then you do it... Too lazy to make a game of your own?
@@coldsnap4467 a guy who gets paid to be a game designer to one of the richest gaming companies says: I'm sowy its too hard. As if it was an acceptable response, instead of fixing the fuck up that they did with MM, give me a break
@@horndogfred5246 Who does it benefit? CIG. (But only in the short run as the game will die way faster)
I really hope this means they can focus on the playability of the game and adjusting gameplay mechanics properly for their final implementation rather than relying on excuses and kicking the can down the road. I had to take massive breaks from the game (original 2012 backer here) because the content being added for huge swathes of time has been lackluster and the live service part of the game just is too unstable and frustrating for me to play consistently after I experience the "wow factor" of the game again.
For the entire duration of SC's live service game I always want quality-of-life improvements, new mission content, and focus on eliminating bugs that have been in the game FOREVER and there's always been the obnoxious "iT's aN aLpHa!!!!" crowd countering everyones' constructive feedback and they were partially right until now.
CIG needs to focus on making the live service game playable, functional, and enjoyable rather than dealing with the immense technological hurdles and the goddamn Squadron 42 albatross around its neck and then we can have a consistent and loyal playerbase that they can make money off of instead of having to do scammy FOMO marketing that looks HORRIBLE to people unfamiliar with the project.
It’ll still be an alpha in 4.0, not sure why anyone would believe the game will be in a good state by then. It’s probably going to get much worse before it gets better. That said, server performance ended up being way better in 3.23 than what everyone was expecting … The PTU was so broken people were assuming it would be another 3.18 fiasco
The tech preview a few months ago went well, in my opinion, so it seems reasonable that 4.0 is coming
I 100% agree with everything you said in this video.
I jumped back to Elite because it works and was finished along time ago. Not to mention the best VR space game ever made
they are doing ok but still dont trust them that much we will see how this year then maybe
I have no monetary investment in SC, but im super excited to see this game doing well, and, more to my wallet, to see c.i.g.'s success push fdev (and elite dangerous) forward when they have actual competition.
And also, this would make a sick game if they can make it to market.
I think it's in free fly right now. multiple times a year you can jump in and check it out for free for a week or two. Free Fly events are also the worst for server performance, so it's a good test to see if you think it's ready to jump in on or pass on for another few months. If it's good enough performance for you during Free Fly it'll be even better when Free Fly is over.
You can eat and drink in SC, I mean what else do you want...
poop
Gameplay that is fun and exciting and wondrous.
Showering.
it's stupid to ask an alpha test to be gold standard x) the game is in alpha test, not even beta test and it's more playable than a lots of games that get released today XD
Yeah, in the meantime I’m going to stick with no man’s sky
Where is rpt where is Squadron Forty-two CR the world wonders
My biggest complaint is, I cant play it. My PC meet Recommended requirements, even though my pc is a couple years dated. Im using a 2060 super founders edition. But according to any and all info, I should be able to play. But it's straight up unplayable. I've messed with every setting, tried doing thing to make it better. I've dropped my resolution and graphics to LOW and still, choppy. I get like 10 frames a second at best.
What is your ram?
I loaded back in 3.23.0 to experience hundreds of CTD's over several days, I spent hours system tweaking and managed to reduce the instances but it was still crashing, I spent more time claiming ships than flying them. 3.23.1 today had several crashes just waiting around for the expo to open. I went off to do a bunker mission, landed, was walking to the elevator and CTD'd. I load back in to find myself incapacitated and trespassing, how this happened is anyone's guess. So I backspace to get revived on a med bed only there's no corpse marker and I lost all my gear. At this point I uninstalled the game. I can honestly say Star Citizen has consistently been the most underwhelming, infuriating, disappointing and frustrating gaming experience of my life. CIG fix your crappy game engine.
the trespassing is because when you had the mission it temporarily gives you permission to be there. but you crashed and came back...without the mission... and thus are trespassing now.
@@FreebirthBoccara no, trespassing is because CIG can't figure out how to restore a players status and missions after their shite crashes.
so you pledge for a hornet now they want you to pay for it's revision with the mk2. what's next. mk2 connie, mk2 freelancer that you have to pay for. i didn't sign up for that.
Deliveries still broken still fall thru ships etc etc
If you ask the devoted backers, they say the game is already amazing and constantly making big progress. They love flying around aimlessly for hundreds of hours at 5-40fps. However, if you actually play the game, the experience is pretty much the same as it was 6 or more years ago. The marketing "team" or whoever they are, have completely hijacked the project and Star Citizen currently is just a whale squeezing machine, and a cool tech demo.
1.0 = Hangars; 2.0 = Space Gameplay; 3.0 = Planetary Landing; 4.0 = Multiple Systems
1.0 is full release. 🤯
@SpaceDad42 Those are the alpha versions. The 1.0 you reference is the game going "live", whatever that means.
@@SpaceDad42 the 0. before the one is in the actual version number. Everyone but you is smart enough to know that so we don't feel the need to redundantly type 0.1.0 every god damn time. Is not a gotcha, you are just stupid.
@@SpaceDad42 well its technically 0.1.0 / 0.2.0 etc and once the game goes live its 1.0 /
Welcome to my Ded talk!!!! Yessss hahaha
Live has always been the ptu for the True build or the game they will throw a branch in to live after bug smashing it just to see how our nation group adapt and if any explots etc can be identified and patched how they should price things what the economy will be like unless they are testint that elsewhere. But it's all a huge jigsaw we only get to play with a small part of the project
Pyro always has been 4.0.
What annoys me tho is pyro sola flairs and planets have life on them which makes virtually no sense unless it's a fungus planet and the radiation is absorbed by the wild life like having giant lizards that spew fire breath etc.
There is a reason it's been. Delayed and it's not development it's political mostly
Untrue, the excuse is still here .... nothing changed. They do what they want to do, patches will go in the pace they set, if some features are not done, those will be done soon tm. It is what it has been.
It is videos like this have made me uninstall. This is not a real game. Buttons that do nothing still in the game. Comical.
That like to dislike ratio lmao 😂
That's what happens when you appeal to both sides, there's always going to be people upset at something you say hahaha
you don't understand, server meshing will fix everything :D :D :D :D :D :D
Bethesda stated Starfield was in development well before Skyrim, which puts the length of development at about 10 years + Look at what was delivered there? A promised new age game and it is barely a fallout reskin. The only reason we know the development woes with SC is that we were invited to an alpha. While im not a long time player, ive played long enough to say its came through with leaps and bounds. many games have a long alpha time and none of them even compare to the magnitude of this one. Lets see what 2024 brings and if its just trash, then complain.
What excuses. We are litterly seeing active development, pyro has been previewed and we have evem had a chamce to play it. Evo has even verified they tested the jumpgates and not only were they working, needing only a few tweaks maybe, but it appears they are almost ready. We just had a major addition of the replication layer, and so far its working as expected.
Sure developmwnt isnt as fast as we like but it is progressing much fastwr than before.
Additionally, we just had probably the first stable invictus ive ever played, with only minor issues encountered.
I even invited a friend to the freefly and asked his opinion, and guess what while he agreed some things could use a little tweaking and bug fixing, in general the game is in a faily good place right now. MM was not too complicated, in fact his biggest complaint was the options menu and just how overwhelming it is. Heck he even managed to survive and complete the tutorial, only dieing once to a ship shooting him down as he exited a hangar.
Hahaha Welcome to your second Job online 😂
It's a MMO.... every mmo is like that. Name one MMO that respects your time. I'll wait.
I reckon it's pretty good now. Apart from the master class crap.
master mode crap
So, this game has tooke half a billion from backers, and still not out. People call Starfield a scam.
I might consider even calling it a game when i can run it for 10+ minutes with out crashing or it yeeting me off into the black straight thru a station or my ship.
i pledged in 2012..... what a giant mistake
You're getting an excuse confused with a reason. But I like the premise of your video, even if the title is misleading. CIG weren't making excuses, they had legitimate reasons for work not going ahead .
MM killed the flying for me.. It feels very ARCADE now. Bicording is drastically reduced so you cant carry as much speed in turns. Going from 1200 scm to 200 instantly with a push of a button feels so cheesy. Dogfighting is easier now because the speed is so slow you don't need to use actual dogfighting maneuvers. just move left and right with the nose of the ship, first to lock on wins.
With this one patch CIG has managed to ruin the one thing that kept me playing all of 3.18, the flying. It used to feel close to DCS. Now we have something that more resembles No Mans Skys arcade flight style.
I personally think a 20 min mission teaching new players how to engage in a fight would of fixed jousting. All the players I fly with on a reg basis, engage in the typical fighting circle. Close quarter combat is easy if you know what you are doing.
Now I have over 3k in a space sim that lost the sim feel in the flight model.
Here is to hoping CIG continues listening to its players and finds a way to bring back that sim feeling...
I feel you. Could be my words, it's a fucking shame. Running around in the hangar back in the days was more fun than this game of chicken. After 11y I'm worried for the first time..
I love how people buy a game that is currently in the alpha stage just to complain that the game is unfinished and broken. Other game studios would just launch it as Early access and actually just "scam" your money
also star citizen is nothing like other games when it comes to the size of the game; you don't just develop the game in 5 or 10 years
and it will probably take another 5-10 years until it's "finished," and that is, in my opinion, completely fine because, like I said, the game is Big and it will become bigger.
People dont realize because they cant think outside their little box. Regular game studios that take 7-10 years of dev time already have their engine to work on even if they have to learn and update it. SC is a rare edge case because they have taken an already existing engine (I think its lumberyard or cryengine?), reverse engineered it, redeveloped the engine from the ground up to call it their own (star engine) and to perform what they need for their vision at scale, AND then make the game....
3.0 Flight model had more balance for ship combat and weapons.... 6 years later We get "Master Modes". Cig has gone to the lengths of even taken the basics risks of aviation from the player with precision landing mode. hard cap 30 m/s .. Decoupled is vector hold mode ... unless you turn off gravity compensator settings.... hand holding is getting worse. Flying in this game is Become generic, No real depth. 90% of the ships are forced into a dps race, Jousting is Now the forced meta for those ships. Every Ship IN S tier or A tier are Ships that require a COMBAT trained pilot.... LUL GOOD JOB CIG. DUMBED DOWN THE FLIGHT MODEL to a depth of a mud puddle, and still make Ships that require dedication and practice to perform at their peek a META LUL..... Multi crew ships are worse off then ever. ... Fights are still taken for ever cause you can BUTTON SKILL disengage from a fight ...... IMO MM is another caret to keep the Donkies pulling the cart and gives them valid excuse 's for example. Tune ships will will be a excuse ,,, balance ,,,, blahhh blahhh... so we keep funding them to copy paste assets into pyro ... lorville is just copy pasted and the same outposts also on a SYSTEM you been working on for yearsss.... wake uppp stop buying ships.... give them a reason to push GAME DEVELOPMENT..... at this rate my grand kids might get to play the PU..... 2013 backer. ....
dos
If people think star citizen is a scam then y’all truly don’t know how an actual scam works. The day before is a perfect representation of an actual scam game. If star citizen wanted to scam then they would have done it ages ago and not build more studios and hire more people to continue the game’s expansion.
CIG are the worst scammers around. Actually building studios and creating a product
I just don't trust CIG anymore. If star citizen turns out good, it sure would be nice, but I don't think this team intends or has what it takes to make this game.
Do you know anyone else who could?
Or even try for that matter?
Respectfully, I'm so fucking tired of this topic and humouring the idea that there's some conspiracy to rob us all and not produce a game.
Was old ten years ago and it's far beyond that now. The closer the game gets the seemingly more it's been mentioned.
Why back a game you've no confidence in..... absolutely baffling.
>Why back a game you've no confidence in...
Some people backed the game over a decade ago.
then they kept adding stretch goals and additions and extras etc etc.
"oh, if a few people give me $1, I can buy a crate of beer, and everyone gets a beer...
Oh, actually i'm kinda close to buying a truck, i could fit so many beers in there, i'll wait until i've got the money for the truck"
"oh wow, we've got beyond the one truck, we've got a fleet of trucks now, just a few more dollars and we can start producing our own beer!"
"ok guys, I promise, once we get this marketing money done right, we'll start mass producing our own line of beverages"
"the beverages are coming along great, but if we had just a few more dollars, we can really fill out our products and move into food!"
it keeps on like this for years... and the people at the start just wanted what they put in for, and thats not even in CIGs scope any more.
@@DannyDelusion I'm one of those backers from a decade ago. If your investing money it's wise to do some homework on who your investing in.
Chris's vision and what he was forced to do in Freelancer were all you needed to look into to realise had he been given the time he would've created this vision years ago.
I'm tired of rushed jobs and half hearted games pushed out for money, no new tech, nothing to get excited about. I'd rather wait another 10 years if that's what it took for Chris to make his dream game. I'm confident it'll be far less than that but still. I bought into this project following the passion I saw in him and how much enthusiam he has for this and sticking a middle finger up to the big studios by going crowd funded in the first place. He's making *HIS* dream game. That's the pitch.
Originally we weren't going to have space to planet flight, you'd get close then get a cutscene.
I don't see anyone complaining about coneflares on the nose of their ships entering atmosphere and infact find this to be one of the biggest 'Oh Damn' moments people have when they realise the scale of this game.
The man is gonna cook whether you bitch or not. He's already stated they've hit a major inflection point in the last letter from the chairman so for the love of god.
Let Him Cook.
Me, me, me's and I want, I want, I want's...
Those people are investing in the wrong industry. I'd pity them but again, this whole process is a gamble and not looking into to any of this to be aware of it just seeing flash, shiny ships ''Oooo me want one'', followed by ''Finish the game already!''.
Yea, to to the moon with them.
cig Cant Improve Game is just a corpo joke at this point...been a backer for 13 years...same o same o ....the crappy alpha gets hype and ship sales when basic functiinality never improve...what a joke
It's better for you to leave SC now and never look back, even if it came out it wont be the game you were hoping for, the gameplay will never be the way you want
Yeah a lot of people hold the original blue sky documentation WAY to close, you can't keep comparing that to every patch note they release and crying foul when it's not exactly the same as pitched.
I'm just glad I wasn't an original backer so I can just enjoy it in it's current era.
two intros lmao
This is silly pandering, can't pick on them at this point, it is better than it has been as far as feature development.
That's my entire point!
Also master modes sucks
do not fear, the sunken cost army is here!
downvoting the living shit out of every video saying something even remotely bad about their game since more than 10 years ago
It's funny because, i'm not even saying anything negative, i'm just using percieved negetive language in the video title. But the entire point of the video is positive.
I remain anxiously patient.
Lets face it, we will never get that Ready Player One experience. No company will ever try, and the game community will never allow it.
CIG deserves some criticism for sure. Who doesn't?
But CIG is trying to do what no one else is bothering to try, and getting nothing but flak for it. If they pull this off, the engine and tech to build Ready Player One exists.
Hows Elite Dangerous doing with meeting all its promises made twelve years ago, in 2012. An established company, with an established engine and tech. How many times did they force players and friends to pay more for the promised expanded content.
Define irony...
So many blame CIG for feature creep.
But the list of requests from the community just keeps growing.
Just be sure to add the dev time expected to create what one wants in the game.
But hurry the hell up.
We didn't need the Ursa Medivac. But so many requested it, and they made it for us. Its a nice addition for sure.
But what ship didn't get built, because the team was working on that instead?
Even in this video he mentioned what he wants to see sooner rather than later.
I have my requests.
What are yours?
Every game always falling short of expectations. And always leaving players wishing and wanting more.
I'll have to wait for those who are willing to try and give me what I want. In fact way more than I paid for originally.
The money I invested was my choice. I was never forced to pay more.
And thank you, for all those who contributed any amount, to the funding of this project! Its not very often others have spent their income to make a dream of mine come true.
You still believe all this, after all these years?
Yall are a cult thats emotionally invested in justifying the money you wasted
Star Citizen is in a fantastic state in 3.23.1. Really the most fun I've had since like 2.6.
just not true, it is unplayable
@@indivestor lol you clearly aren’t playing. It’s getting overwhelming praise for being a very good experience.
@@indivestor that's just a lie
@@indivestor dog it literally is. Your pc is either trash or you didn't play it
I lost trust in CIG a long time ago. I’m an original backer, played when only hangars were a thing, again in 3.18. Is doubt I will play again for a few years due to lack of trust.
Original backer here, enjoying the journey and playing SC for a few months now.
2013 backer here and the game won't even run long enough to complete a mission. So many crash to desktops over the last few days. I uninstalled.
Been a backer since 2014. The game has come an incredibly long way and I’m happy with the current state/rate. 3.18 and 3.23 have turned out great. Been here for 10 years off and on. Not going anywhere. It’s clear star citizen is delivering and the road bumps along the way are just par for the course with making such a massive game and having an open development. It’s taken longer than expected but it’s already better than anything else out there.
Are you actually fucking serious?
@@feanorfeuergeist find a healthier hobby than just going on every star citizen video and talking shit in the comments. Touch grass.
CIG should just do like every other Dev and just tell us nothing.
I’d rather than than blatant lies.
@@SpaceDad42 are they blatant lies or just current truths?
@@SpaceDad42 "blatant lies" like "we are aiming for x release schedule" and "we are going to try and get x feature in y patch" because those are totally promises and if they dont do that they are intentionally insulting you personally
first !
Liars to the end, whether intentional or not this process is so clouded and tainted i do not believe a word that CIG say. Uninstalled until Pyro is a thing. Nearly 13 years in says a lot
its a perpetual grift, if it ever releases the grift is over so it will never release.
By the time Star citizen is finished, no one will be playing on PC screens and will all be using VR headsets 😂
Do they NEED excuses? Lol Dude they just making the game.
It will take however long it takes.
You and everyone else CAN see the progress being made. Or do you believe they have taken the money and CR ran for the hills? Are you one of those?
Nah, i'm excited for what's happening! Just a little bit of a spicy clickbait name!
Do the 'space cows' live in space? No? Then they're not freaking space cows. They're cows. Just because they don't live on Earth does not make them 'space' anything. /end mini-rant.
I'm on earth, everything not on earth is in space, therefore henceforth all non-earth cows are space cows. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.
Everything lives in space.
MM was the straw that broke my back. I'm done for awhile. Giving it six months and if this is what they go with I'm gray marketing my fleet and buying a project car. Spectrum has looked like Thunderdome since this trash dropped so I'm not alone. I think Thor over at pirate software said it best a few months ago-"the only content they seem really focused on producing quickly is what you can find in the store".
its a grift, if it ever releases the grift is over, ergo it will never release. Thor is a decent guy, he has a bad haircut be he's a solid guy, the world needs more like him.
@@dunravin they are putting WAY to much work into long term things for it to be a grift.
There scamming plan is simple, its just super sad
😂 Coments like this make me 😂
@@justwords3882 bro listen to shroud talk about the game he hits the name on the head
This guy's entire channel is ripping off animations and thumbnails from the actually successful YT channels. Fake it till you make it, I guess.
Excuse me but my branding is EMACULATE