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The other problem that should be fixed before grid size is folks starting around a corner on a rolling start. Functionally keeps them at the back for the entire race. Which sure, when I'm there, I deserve to be, but it takes away some of the fun of believing in oneself and one's capacity to overcome.
Daily Race B anything above 8 is starting in right in that last S bend, its the worst. Not impossible to overcome with all the silliness that happens in a first lap but it is a pain in the a*s.
Agreed. Spa is bad for this. Anyone below P10 has to do the Bus-stop Chicane an extra time at the start of the race.
I’m not a really good racer and I’ve gotten podiums after falling way behind. It’s the whole point of the longer races. SMH
I've always said, they need at least a 3x multiplier to DR points if people retire from a race.
I’ve commented this once on another CZcamsrs videos but I think they should add a daily race D and make it “endurance” racing only. Make the races 45-60 minutes long. Add much more players per lobby, 20-24 and introduce a ban for leaving a race early.
Banned for leaving race sound stupid
D for Gr.1 & 2/C.
E for endurance
You can't ban someone because their connection to the server was lost or their kid came in and turned off the PlayStation, I mean come on, life happens.
@@RodknockRacing22 Three strike warning I think
I only started doing sport mode recently, Why is people leaving a bad thing for the remaining drivers? The ones that left are still on the results board as DNF. DNFs happen in real racing all the time
During my race here for Manu with dynamic weather there was only 5 of us who actually finished the race 🤣
I’d also like to see quali before races. I don’t have the time to burn chasing a perfect lap in time trials so struggle with grid position and then avoid others having issues in the race to try and climb up the standings
This makes absolutely 0 sense one of the best things about a longer race is if u make a mistake 100% u can recover and gain ur position back over time. I hate quitters n crybabies. People start crying too quick even when there easily a chance for recovery, the recovery makes it even more fun, tryna fight back up.
It's a whole generation of crybabies.
A whole generation of woke crybabies
@@user-iv1ed9mj5i We all know that, they're slowly crawling in, and continuously being kicked out of every competitive game (except when they find their into weaker competition, if you get what I mean).
I don’t like Suzuka anymore
This is not why people play GT7 or Forza. You could do some TT qualifying times or a few other races instead of that boring slog when you end up way back.
Sportsmanship rating penalty can be useful on these type of long races but I think a bigger grid is the best solution. 25-30 grids can be really great.
Then PlayStation will have work harder to keep up
@@JeffWeselyan Gran turismo sport can handle 20 grids online so I think PS4 platform can handle at least 25 grids.
Easy way to sort this problem would be to have a stat amongst the wins/top5/races with how many races you have quit mid race. They could then use that stat to affect entry in to official races like Manu. It would force you to continue races in Dailies if you want to race in higher lobbys when the others roll around. PD hire me. I'll sort this mess out😂
I did one race. Spun 4 times and that was it for me after 2 laps. Skill issue😢
You never learn if you quit
@@eoinm5758 I'll definitely give it another go and finish the race, come what may. 🤞
Bigger grid but I say cap it at 20. If you get too big then you will have a larger portion of the grid drop out after the first couple laps because they are even further from top 10 and no chance at podium. I've been in a lot of races where I see the bottom 3 drop before turn 1. Penalty for quitting early could work but that could also backfire.
Had a race earlier that ended with only 6 cars left, was 1st whole race but ended up over 30s ahead as all the quicker guys had 1 issue and quit immediately
if they quit they lost, its not an issue with the game, its an issue with their head. It doesnt matter how many people finish behind you, only ahead. Having more starters wont fix that, but it should have at least 20 starters best 24
I've always been strong at Suzuka so this week was fun for me. Last night I won a last to first race in my B lobbies, however at the end there were only nine drivers remaining.
Had to quit my first race for an “emergency” the other day otherwise I stick it out. I’m not a great driver and usually find myself at the back of the pack anyway. It is discouraging when you know you are to far behind the leader that you might not even cross the finish line, but people, come on! Ya gotta know that a wreck in a race is rather possible and it might be you. Be honest with yourself about your skill level and understand that if you are in a lobby with a bunch of bad drivers, you are one too. Let’s have a clean race!
It's not a problem of the game. It's just... People think their quick when they did a good qualy lap after 10h in time trial, with many mistakes. But that doesn't matter, if u have no racecraft and be ready to train it under every circumstances, well than it just ends with quitting the game
Ran 2 races yesterday, and had 4 finish the 1st, and 6 finish the 2nd. Boosts your ratings though if you can just survive it and take a top 5 and not have to worry about contact because everyone is spread out and just do your own thing
I am so gutted. After not racing last week I am away this week so I only got race in….But what a race that was!
Also, the non linear throttle pedal input. On my V3s, on pc I have perfect throttle application, 1:1 ratio. However on gt7 if I press the pedal down 50%, the throttle bar only fills up 20%. It means I have to control most of the throttle application with much less of the pedal range
I have noticed that in the calibration on the game it reads perfect, when on the track the pedal is not accurate and it makes driving difficult for sure. the pedal calibration for the GT DD Pro is confusing to say the least in GT7!
Non linear throttle pedal was plague for Gran Turismo from beginning what I remember, sadly they still didn't fix that issues after so many reports and years
I have to admit I was guilty of this yesterday, first time ever. I had already been punted earlier in the race and was clawing back in last place. Lap 11 first corner got spun out by someone exiting the pits. I just couldn’t handle it anymore. So I left. Do I regret it? Yes.
They need a lot more than just longer races and larger grids. Dump the bop stuff, set a category with a HP and PP limit and let us tune our cars to that. Turn off ghosting and turn on full damage. When they start doing that I will resume running in the daily races. Right now it's basically like playing an arcade game in the 80's. I love this game and it would be a great simulator if they would use the features they already have. Just my opinion.
The relatively small 16 player lobby was, I initially thought, a cross-platform compliance thing, until I remembered that GTS had 20 player grids. I hope PD are cooking up a patch for this, but as it's been 2 years now, I'm concerned that it might be baked into the game engine. I hope I'm wrong!
Hey Rory, in terms of sub count. Are you the second biggest GT CZcamsr after SuperGT? Was just thinking, I've been watching you for some time and it's mad how popular you have got and so fast. Congratulations
A chunk of those subs came from his Forza uploads when the game came out.
It really upsets me that people will just quit after falling behind or making a mistake. People IT'S STILL RACE EXPEREINCE YOU GROW AND LEARN nothing wrong with losing or making mistakes. Don't give up.
why is it upsetting? genuinly curious does it affect rewards or points? I try to never quit as I find even battles at the back are really fun, but DNFs happen all the time in real life so why is it a problem that people leave?
@@teeambird2079 I don't think it affects rewards points. It certainly tanks your rating a bit though if you leave during a race. Longer races people leave after making a mistake and it's like dawg if you didn't want to spend the time in the first place why join? Otherwise give someone else a chance behind the wheel or controller.
I can't nail a lap in qualifying for race C, stuck on a 59.8 and can't get near it unless I nail every sector. Yet I did the race and got 3rd over 20 laps😂
Me too I also same thing
That is not bad though. I am struggling to hit low 2:03.3 I just got my setup so I hope that I can drastically improve as I practice more.
thats because they arent that good drivers really, for a race it doesnt matter if you do one good lap among a thousand crashes, keep doing long races and everyone will improve . consistence and concentration
I raced this last night and it was not fun. A guy who obviously was on a controller was very fast straight, but caused havoc in the corners. Everyone from 8 back was so far behind it was horrible. I finished 7th
Grid size will be a technical limitation of the game. You already get dropped frames on some tracks with the current grid sizes. Adding more cars will just add more performance issues. The only way to prevent quitters is give a larger penalty for quitting, but then you risk punishing those who legitimately disconnect through no fault of their own.
A harsh penalty for quitting would help like 30 minute ban from entering a race.
Yep this is what rainbow six siege does.
These types of races are learning experiences. These are the races that you then get to push yourself around the track a little bit harder to see how far you battled back.
I'd honestly like to see PD implementing soft bans for rage-quitting, and I say this as someone who'll occasionally rage quit. Rage quit once, you're out for an entire day. Rage quit twice, make it a week. Rage quit three times, make it a month. Make rage quit track record reset once a month. That's a long enough time to make people think twice before doing that. Be just as heavy-handed with dirty drivers as well.
Dropping DR doesn't mean a thing for a lot of people, and we've seen time and time again how this soft approach doesn't do anything to fix this issue. Try and be heavy handed for once and see how that goes.
Honestly if they added the long race with strategy, and potentially weather as a race D and keep the rest as is would be a great option But it Might spread things too thin possibly
#Never Quit, probably kids that need everything to go right. love this race, needs two tyres for strat, I’m tipping Bathurst next week, they always get it wrong and do it a week after the 12hr there
why the ask for bigger quitter penalties? I don't play GT so don't know if people leaving somehow impacts those that stay in the race??
Well done for sticking with it and getting a not bad place.
I think you get more accurate match making with smaller grid sizes maybe?
Yh same issue finished 1st 45s ahead of 2nd place, only 7 out of 16 finished, as the 2nd 3rd 4th at the time quit with likely incidents, when there is a long race anything can happen, always a chance you can claw back spaces
Won my only race today. I wasn't the fastest but I didn't make any mistakes. Only 9 finished the race.
I’ve never quit a race yet. What is the penalty for doing so? Is it just the same as you’d get for holding the last position still running?
G'day Rory. The boredom factor is worse in the weaker Oceania lobbies. In my only C attempt I was punted early so I sat in the pits for most of the 45 minutes so as not to get a DR penalty. Race B is better for me as I can reset if I'm punted and have another go.
its the same for everyone so it will even out, a lot of aliens have found their concentration level is not what they thought
Always the way, avoid dramas, only to go off track then the game punishes your grip so gives you more dramas
I didn’t qualify so started 16th by lap 9 I was in 4th and only 9 people still in the race by the end of the race it was only 7. I don’t get why people quit but it’s just a game guys you don’t always have to win podium. If all you want is podium put it on easy and play career mode
Just wanna say I love your videos Rory. Right now I'm just a little Forza horizon playing bug that's still just on a Xbox controller because I don't have the space or money for a wheel right now but I would love to eventually move up in games and setup but stay on Xbox most likely so that limits my games a bit. If logi made a wheel set that could do PS and Xbox I could get into GT on my PS4 but oh well
This format somewhat levels out the difference between aliens with short term concentration and slower drivers with concentration. Who cares how many people finish behind you, its your position that counts. people rage quitting is not the fault of the game, it what's between their ears. This is an opportunity for all to get better. If you build it they will come if its an improved product. 2 dozen slots would be great, but not because some cant manage their disappointment. Private lobbies on this track and format, but with variable weather and tyre wear requiring 2 stops, is even better. The best car for this race is the amg, the most stable is the maclaren but slow acceleration, the porsche is good but thirsty. The bmw is ok if your an alien, the genesis is a pig
Absolutely man! Love your show. Let's go!!!!!
Rory tell me why in Gr.4 after BoP, Mazda3 Gr.4 goes from 380 Hp to 380 Hp and the weight doesn't change, and for the M4 Gr.4 it goes from 394 Hp to 350 Hp and the weight doesn't change ?
It's so stupid ! The balance of cars is horrible ! 31 cars in Gr4, just 2 OP cars...
There are so many issues : cars/tires/Daily Races/ Fair-play rank/ Penalties... it's a shame.
Stfu that's how it is in real races kiddo, all the way from Formula 1 to Karts. Everyone has different builds, engines and configurations.
@@cptjohnbhewler1529 Are you stupid ? GT7 is a game ! It's not the real life, hasn't anyone told you ?
In real life we are not drivers, it's not our job, for real drivers it's their job, they have no choice, they can't decide which car to drive...
But in videos games, what's the point of putting 31 cars but only 2 OP cars ? It's stupid, everyone will take OP cars, because WE CAN CHOOSE. Stop being stupid kid. Why doesn't everyone choose Red Bull in F1 ? because they CAN'T CHOOSE, you understand ?
Why do people prefer Indycar more than F1 ? because it's more balanced !
Make rewards for completing races better. So weird that offline races on easy for le mans give you so much more money
And where exactly is the problem? People quit - what is your disadvantage?
Great drive Rory .
GT7 removed 20 player lobbies due to the ps4, It was unstable at launch.
We need to explain the assetto corsa game to beginners
I was in a race eariler about 11 driver's showed up and only 5 driver's remain just like real world races they don't like long races
It's because PD won't reduce the polygon count of the othe cars on track. Its not because of ps4 as ps4 and ps5 don't mix jn the dailies
Hmm - let's face it - having only 16 on starters block made it easier for you to crack top 10 LOL
Who has time for longer races anyway
Well, GranTurismo always has been a game to hop on and play, it's no Racing Sim. Although I agree with harder DR penalties for quitting, not veryone is a streamer who can focus on spending hours for racing games five days a week. Some people just don't want to spend their free time with driving around in the back but prefer to get some real life things done when they can't expect fun from a single race anymore. After all it is just a video game, right?
A bigger grid means more quitters.
Here before the title gets fixed 👀
Hey Rory I think you meant "Brought" lol
You can put 100 cars on the grid and 90 would probably still quit or be so far behind its not worth their time or effort to actually finish, GT7 is a simcade where longer races probably dont really work unlike full simulations on PC where people are usually fully invested.....
You have a typo in the title rory😅😅
First I love ur gt7 content ❤
Also do you think the g29 is a good beginner wheel?
I cant remember when I bought my g29 but I had it in the closet for years, last year I discovered gt7. I'm now 210 hours in, I upgraded my situation from desk to g29 on a cockpit. And recently ordered the dd extreme from fanatec. G29 feels great and is flexible for many applications but beware getting hooked.
@@neverluckyslots2580 thanks bro, I ordered mine from Amazon it should come in soon, I also got a shifter to go along with it. Sadly am on Ps5 so I don’t got many options on games. Does anyone have good suggestions??
Yep.
I use the g29 on gt7 on ps5 and it works perfectly fine but still wanting to upgrade so yeah the g29 is a good starter wheel or if your on a budget. Also if you haven't tried it on psvr2 yet you need to
@@25157707 hahaha psvr2 is expensive, pretty sure if I had enough for it I just would buy a pc that’s good enough to play other racing games like carx etc
They should heavily penalize the safety rating of those who quit, so they can enjoy fighting their way out of bad sport lobbies for being a crybaby.
Give the a real reason to cry!
Dirty drivers are also a big problem for ppl to quiting the game.
Dirty drivers are why I'm stuck d
@@GeekyDolphin46 i always get in a rage of those dirty drivers. They only do it because they are far away safe in their room. I bet if ppl are racing in the same room they would be cleaner then a cleaner because they can get a payback in real life
I remember they said bigger grids won't happen because of PS4, PS4 won't handle that, in hindsight this game shouldn't be released on PS4 and we wouldn't have such issues now
On other hand if you are on controller and do 20 laps or 40 mins race, your hands are knackered after 40 mins races and wouldn't be surprised if some who are quitting are on controllers as they are unable to finish the race, do one race on controller and see how long you will be able play, on GTS here was GTWS race which was I think 18 laps and I quit after 11 laps because I couldn't feel my fingers hahaha(I'm not youngest), afterwards not done any GTWS till I got that time T-GT
Gran Turismo 8 will need to have multiclass and bigger grids
I agree with this. My hands are not comfortable doing a 40 min race on the controller, it’s hard work for sure
I quite GT7 because of things like this. The whole experience really does suck if I am honest.
Damage that fixes itself. GTFO in a "sim" racer no less.
Console game. Is it because GT7 is crossplatform with the PS4? Too much going on causes LAG?
Project Cars 1 on PC had a PVE field of something like 62 IIRC. But you wanted a good GPU to run like that.
Lack of cars on the field was something I found dissapointing in GT5, especially when doing the 24hrs of Le Mans and nurburgring full endurance race.
You always look worried Rory lol
Definitely agree. I just finished this race, and there were only 7 people left at the end. I lapped the dude in 7th, and then he came back and ghosted right through me, blocking my entire view of turn 15 (the final fast left-hander). You can imagine the result. Ghosting needs to go. Make cars solid, and up the penalties for rear-ending.
No no no you DEFINITELY want the backmarkers ghosted my dude
@@damonn44 I hear you. And I know it's needed for the front runners to be able to get by them because there's no way to enforce blue flags. The league I'm in has clear rules against it for this exact reason. I just uploaded a video on my channel with highlights from that race if you want to see how badly it screws up other drivers.
Why do we need to see backmarkers at all? Just stop rendering them.
Nice racing socks
I too am trying to get into the Sim racing. I'd love to have the fanatec wheel, but $1500 is a bit outrageous. Do you know of anyone willing to sell one cheaper?
you don't need a $1500 wheel, start at something around $300 and if you fall in love with it, building a rig can become a new hobby to save up and sink money into over years
Logitech g29 $230 usd on sale, brake is way to tight at the end of travel but use shoes it's all good. That's what I'm rocking plus all the questioning around what fanatic is doing is enough for me to steer clear.
I agree , I started with with Logitech G920 and that was more than enough to decide if I want to become a sim racer , also way cheaper 😊
Thanks, that really helps. I'll look into them a bit more.
Look into a t300, much better wheel than the g29
I say they keep longer races and weed out the crybaby quitters and eventually it will just be the true best of the best racers 🤷🏻♂️
Lobbies need to be up to 20 players though.
video was too short, i did not see end time for the race on the winner. would be nice.
I moved away from GT7 over a year ago because of the small grid size and short races. GT Sport was great when we had 24 cars on track then they reduced it to 16 or something for GT7. I believe it was something to do with cross play with PS4 users but not 100% sure. Im glad to see that they have lengthened the daily races but GT7 really needs to bring back the bigger grids if they want to make the racing more enjoyable for everybody.
I'm pretty sure GT7 dailies has never been cross play
@@dan_turismo_44 Correct, I meant cross gen play as PS4 and PS5 users could play together but apparently this caused issues. It was quite a while ago now and i cant recall if cross gen was available in dailies when first released but that was most definitely PD's intention and i believe the reason for the reduction in grid size as the PS4 would struggle with the previous 24 car slots in the new game. Its something PD really need to address as its a huge backward step from GT Sport and a long way off the large grids in the likes of ACC and iRacing. If you have ever raced with a grid of say 40 cars you'll know what the GT7 player base is missing out on, and I'm confident that the PS5 is more than capable of handling the larger grids.
The big mistake with gt sport and now with gt7 is that the every race is far too accesible to everyone for a very long reriod of time..for me that i work too many hours and i can only spend 2 to 3 hours 3 or 4 times a week is difficult to compete with guys that literally sleeping and eating on their driving rigs every day..and i am an a+ driver..is a big mistake your practise time to be your qualify time!!there must a be a limit in time you have to achieve your best time for the race..and you have to do it every time before each race...if you have unlimited time at some point you gonna make the perfect lap but if you have lets say 20 minutes every time is a different story..
I came p9 and p10 and dr red why
I believe DR goes up for 8th and above. 9th To last it goes down
@@TheLanieKid I came ones 011 I Dr green or blue
But proplem I think because other racers leave
You’re taking it too serious. It’s just a game.
So what is the problem in GT7
Pit lane problems
The grid is werid
Needs a bigger grid and improved penalty’s for race quitting
Not a big enough grid and the long races cause people to quit, you end up with not many left at the end. Possibly stiffer penalties for bailing on a race more than once a day!
The player base it seems
dude your videos are good but you suddenly speak so loud it clips that leds me a bit astray from your videos, just tune your volumes a bit down ayt
You wuss 😂 I’d push through to be 1st at the start then extend the lead so they can’t take you. No Mercy 😈
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It's a whole generation of crybabies, they should just stay away from competitive stuff and go back to god of war and the likes.
Agreed Rory!!! 🫡👊🏾