Comments make me smile. Any driver who was driving before the CPC shit came in where the vast majority of drivers still hate and think is a waste of time would have done this back then. It was perfectly acceptable back in the day to load a curtain sider and just use the curtains to secure the load… in fact, the last big company I worked for in the early 2000s had quite a few trailers without internal straps and each tractor unit was only given 6 straps! I’ve seen thousands of loads like this which have made it to the destination and you could argue now that drivers now drive faster because the load is strapped down! I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to load and strap correctly but I do think it’s a little hypocritical for drivers who were driving before 2015ish to make out this isn’t acceptable because I’ll guarantee they’ve pulled loads like this before! Including Mr cameraman! Anyone who says they didn’t has either a very short memory or full of shit.
I agree 100%. In 1980s I drove HGVs in UK and nobody strapped pallet loads, rarely any issues at all. No doubt a good practise to strap but all you guys maybe driving 5 minutes calling the bloke out who possibly did loads like this for decades without strapping. we all love to bag others. I feel sorry that he got caught by someone who knows what about load restraint? Theory only, all out of a book. I live in Aussie now, we are strict on restraint too, I've seen trucks gone over and the shit goes everywhere, straps or no straps. They all got us conditioned to think it's soooo scary to even move an inch without a strap. The world we live in, I guess
You still can have a load on a curtain sided trailer snd not need straps , as long as it’s a full fit , and the trailer meets the ES and has a certificate. If there’s a gap at the back you only need to cross strap the back .
Because those light weight tightly packed in boxes are going to loosen and burst through the curtains and kill.someone arent they......😂 Obviously light as theyre on top of the other pallets Load of bollox literally The straps put on them will only hold the box the strap is in contact with anyway
Actually the law says ratchet straps are required for double stacked pallets....not even internals are allowed in this situation, so copper is still wrong letting him use internals, she obviously doesn't understand the rules.
I used to load double stacked pallets of plastic cups every other day from belfast to Tralee. It was so light straps would've damaged the boxes and they never moved, Health and safety has gone OTT .
No names, no pack drill, but the company I once worked for had some tautliners that had no internal straps and when the trailers were empty the curtains would've even stay secured. In a wind the trailers were like yachts. Try explaining to a following police officer that it wasnt too much alcohol that was the reason for not steering a straight line.
@Nickbaldeagle02 No point really; the old tauts have long gone and, I was led to believe, the company followed not long after. Ironic really, they had some good tackle but they also had some rubbish. I think that, in those days, MOTs on tautliners must've been concentrated on the floor down and nothing above.
I agree but the situation is taken more seriously now by management. In years past the advice from the traffic office was 'do the best you can'. What? With nothing? That was the advice for everything, not just straps jn a tautliner.
We used to pull tautluner loads of coffee beans, in hessian sacks on 4' pallets and two pallets wide from a Thameside warehouse to the plants at Hayes and Banbury. The loads were so wide that we could only just about fasten the straps. The curtains bulged like a woman forty months pregnant. That was accepted then, even by the police. Thankfully things have changed since those days.
The problem is this according to vosa dvsa or whoever internal straps are inadequate for over 300 kg,and ratchet straps will damage a lot of loads if they are too tight,its a nightmare enforced by jobsworths.
@@irish6779 because it's dangerous, pretty obvious really. If you don't do the right thing, i.e. check your vehicle regularly for faults and making sure loads are secured, so as to be road worthy then your potentially put lives at risk, including my own. Just because I don't get paid extra for being the best I can at my job doesn't mean I shouldn't have a conscience.
As a ex class 1 hgv, if that load had shifted and burst a curtain open then anyone could have been killed. I'd sack him for being a risk to the company.. and other drivers...
That is laziness, maybe he had to wait to get loaded but the trailer straps take a couple of minutes to do, no time at all really. Ratchet straps would be a ball ache with so little top clearance and all those corner protectors. Obviously as others have said the load is very light so I’d do the trailer straps especially if I was side loaded like this guy was because the straps are at the back and across the rear doors.
Completely agree guy shouldn’t have done it should have strapped it down but do you really need to film the guy and post it to social media guy made a mistake nobody was hurt leave it at that now he has to endure and re live the embarrassment time after time if a work colleague or someone he knows finds this poor show really talk about brotherhood and all that bollocks just as bad as watching and filming someone reverse into someone you would rather sit there and laugh than get out and lend a hand
I couldn't agree with you more... It's "drivers" like the one filming who gloat on other drivers misfortunes that really makes me feel sorry for them because they have nothing else better to do do except film and gloat over the poor guy... If he's that much of a know all, why didn't he get out and help? Because he's too busy filming after he's all ready chucked his teabags out the window onto the floor and threw his bottle of piss in the hedge...
When I was a forklift driver at DHL in Brackmills I used to load curtain sided lorrys with 2m high pallets (tv's or white goods). Never ever seen anyone opening curtains after it was loaded to strap the load. Can't get that.
DHL Use XL rated curtain-siders which satisfies the requirements for load security IF the load is "positive fit" like the truck shown here. Non-XL curtains however are just for weather proofing so this truck being shown will still need to strap up. Even when double stacking, if the weight of the stack is under 400kg then an XL curtain is still acceptable on its own.
In Germany these cargo straps are unacceptable......in France no straps mandatory but if accidents occurs and damage is done by loose cargo driver is responsible...... So it depends on a country what law they passed.....
Some Curtains on Tautliners are Rated as a Restraint Curtain but they must have a Placard Identifying as such. That Load is Very Light as the Centre Lift Axle on the Unit isn't Down Owing to Lack of Weight on the Load Sensor. If he was Fined as a Result of that Stop, Personally i would take it Further, even if it involved going to Court.
Same. Started doing flatbeds for a company, straps were like unicorn s**t and the ones I did get were cut and frayed. I ended up walking out. FORS registered too.
Im not sure if im correct on this so please enlighten me.... the internal straps are only only rated up to 400KG, is that correct? I normally just use ratchets to be safe.
You're dead on kid internal straps are not as strong as the ratchet strap curtains are probably stronger than the internal straps too much red tape and those pallets are not going to move anyway
Yep, definitely she did very well. As a lorry driver myself class 1 I've seen many drivers just double stack a load close curtains and go! Absolutely 0 straps! It makes me terrified!
The pallets on that load don't weigh anything, each pallet can't be more than 100kls because the box's on the top of the bottom pallets not even creased, the law says if the load fills the trailer and the curtains are load retaining curtains it doesn't need strapping... it would be pointless as the load is never going to come through the curtains and the curtains are stronger than the internal straps anyway...
those pallets were going nowhere with all the tautliner straps in place and tight, tautliners can carry 44ton gross with the load poured into the roof.
It doesnt matter, the rules are broken and they should actually be ratchet straps not internals because they are double stacked, weight doesnt matter, internals for single pallets less than 400kg, double stacked need to be ratchets.....THE RULES, all there and freely available to be read on the DVSA website
Why the need to film it and stick in on youtube till the ends of time so the individual has to keep reliving the mistake he made, you dont get out much, been bullied at school or just one of those types that enjoys inflicting misery on others, the types that back in the day would get a punch in the face for sass talk.
The fine for that would be £100 Per pallet i learnt that mistake when i first past out luckily i got off without a fine even the side board thrown onto the bed if not strapped could be classified as a loose load
IT IS NOT £100 per pallet here in the UK you would get a £100 fixed penalty for an insecure load and you can also get 3 penalty points! Where do these muppets get their information sheeesh!!!!!@@gytrucker
Watch the video, he says they are NOT xl curtains, also double stacked pallets should be strapped with RATCHET STRAPS NOT INTERNAL STRAPS, no matter what they weigh, internals can only be used for single pallets weighing less than 400kg so it still hasn't been strapped correctly, the copper doesn't know the rules.
He doesn't deserve to be on the road. Gives all the good HGV drivers a bad name, which is totally unfair. I hope the Company he works for was informed, and the fine a huge one.
But he doesn't give you a bad name, because no one really thinks about it. However what is egotistical, is the vast amount of HGV so called professional drivers, unwilling to come off that cruise control, when another truck is struggling to overtake. You see it day in and day out, and i'll bet my bottom dollar, you do the same, and don't lie
Just incase those who dont know,its at least £100 PER STRAP,in fines,at least 26 straps,plus points on you,re licence,and youcan go up infront off traffic comisioner
No points on licence. Normally they just give you £100 fine for the entire load. You will only go in front of the commissioner if you are a serious repete offender.
AGE 59 ///// 33YRS ON/ OFF TRUCKING . NO NO excuse for that just lazy ness . HE has plenty straps . IT it be diffrent if none were supplied by company & EASY SIDE STRAPS & THAT MERE 10/ 15 MIN WORK . SAD that some let side down . MATUR driver should no better .
Light weight boxes guarantee they not go through the curtains only jobsworths and. Inexperienced will talk such crap as for the plods it's all money for pot
Just give the Driver a bit of benefi of the doubt,, A lot of drivers now are to DUMB to strap a load properly,, That's why not meany load their trailers now , Just hook on and go ,, Its the person that loaded it's job to strap it , ok maybe he should have checked it ,, but he only gets PAYED TO TOW IT
The driver's job is to ensure that the load is properly secured. And safely transported. Load checks are to be made in a timely manner. If you can't follow the rules, find a different job.
Of course he should have checked it was secured - You don't leave that to some muffin driving the forklift; who'd probably pissed-off the driver by refusing to lift him up to drag the curtain along anyway.
Comments make me smile. Any driver who was driving before the CPC shit came in where the vast majority of drivers still hate and think is a waste of time would have done this back then.
It was perfectly acceptable back in the day to load a curtain sider and just use the curtains to secure the load… in fact, the last big company I worked for in the early 2000s had quite a few trailers without internal straps and each tractor unit was only given 6 straps! I’ve seen thousands of loads like this which have made it to the destination and you could argue now that drivers now drive faster because the load is strapped down!
I’m not saying it’s a bad thing to load and strap correctly but I do think it’s a little hypocritical for drivers who were driving before 2015ish to make out this isn’t acceptable because I’ll guarantee they’ve pulled loads like this before! Including Mr cameraman!
Anyone who says they didn’t has either a very short memory or full of shit.
I agree 100%. In 1980s I drove HGVs in UK and nobody strapped pallet loads, rarely any issues at all. No doubt a good practise to strap but all you guys maybe driving 5 minutes calling the bloke out who possibly did loads like this for decades without strapping. we all love to bag others. I feel sorry that he got caught by someone who knows what about load restraint? Theory only, all out of a book. I live in Aussie now, we are strict on restraint too, I've seen trucks gone over and the shit goes everywhere, straps or no straps. They all got us conditioned to think it's soooo scary to even move an inch without a strap. The world we live in, I guess
exactly right .its probably a load of christmas tinsel
Yeah but in 2023 and rules changed
I made curtain spiders ( boaloy congelton ) , they were designed not to need extra straps , inexact there was nowhere to hook extra straps
You still can have a load on a curtain sided trailer snd not need straps , as long as it’s a full fit , and the trailer meets the ES and has a certificate. If there’s a gap at the back you only need to cross strap the back .
Because those light weight tightly packed in boxes are going to loosen and burst through the curtains and kill.someone arent they......😂
Obviously light as theyre on top of the other pallets
Load of bollox literally
The straps put on them will only hold the box the strap is in contact with anyway
It may have been double stacked but the lift axle was up those cartons weighed very little .
That was my thought as well. Looks like XL rated curtain too.
They still need load restraints
How many straps are on the curtain? How heavy is the load? Common sense says no internals required, clearly 🙄
Actually the law says ratchet straps are required for double stacked pallets....not even internals are allowed in this situation, so copper is still wrong letting him use internals, she obviously doesn't understand the rules.
@@wiganer9912 you are a good boy... never question authority mate.
@@wiganer9912well, no. The pallets are loaded as "positive fit" and "direct restraint" as used in this video is acceptable under H&S guidelines.
@@Nickbaldeagle02dear God mummy must be sooooooo proud of you
I used to load double stacked pallets of plastic cups every other day from belfast to Tralee. It was so light straps would've damaged the boxes and they never moved, Health and safety has gone OTT .
She's. Only trying to save life's so be thankful she's doing her job right
Don't talk crap jobsworth to the hilt look at the lift axle and tyres save lives utter rubbish
Always always secure your load! 😊😊😊
No names, no pack drill, but the company I once worked for had some tautliners that had no internal straps and when the trailers were empty the curtains would've even stay secured. In a wind the trailers were like yachts.
Try explaining to a following police officer that it wasnt too much alcohol that was the reason for not steering a straight line.
I worked for DHL on their JLR conract, no trailers had any internal straps.
Name names.
@Nickbaldeagle02
No point really; the old tauts have long gone and, I was led to believe, the company followed not long after.
Ironic really, they had some good tackle but they also had some rubbish. I think that, in those days, MOTs on tautliners must've been concentrated on the floor down and nothing above.
why would you not strap any load, i couldnt drive knowing my load wasnt well secure
I agree but the situation is taken more seriously now by management. In years past the advice from the traffic office was 'do the best you can'. What? With nothing? That was the advice for everything, not just straps jn a tautliner.
We used to pull tautluner loads of coffee beans, in hessian sacks on 4' pallets and two pallets wide from a Thameside warehouse to the plants at Hayes and Banbury. The loads were so wide that we could only just about fasten the straps. The curtains bulged like a woman forty months pregnant. That was accepted then, even by the police.
Thankfully things have changed since those days.
I just say, better to be cautious than sorry later. Little things are taken for granted. Be safe out there!
Double stacked and not bothered to strap that's just plain dangerous stupidity
Curtain straps light load only vosa plods or feckin idiot thinks that's dangerous
She is doing her job right , better than have load over motorway cause damage and time
Well said
Actually she doesn't know her job, double stacked pallets should have ratchet straps on them NOT internals!
@@wiganer9912Urm, you're talking utter shite....
You knowalls read the rules concerning Load bearing curtains and individual pallet weights and dimensions...before you judge the lad.!!!!
The problem is this according to vosa dvsa or whoever internal straps are inadequate for over 300 kg,and ratchet straps will damage a lot of loads if they are too tight,its a nightmare enforced by jobsworths.
I hate drivers like this, it gives the rest of us that do the right thing a bad name
Why would you worry about your so called good name.
Do you get extra money for a good name.
@@irish6779 because it's dangerous, pretty obvious really. If you don't do the right thing, i.e. check your vehicle regularly for faults and making sure loads are secured, so as to be road worthy then your potentially put lives at risk, including my own. Just because I don't get paid extra for being the best I can at my job doesn't mean I shouldn't have a conscience.
@@chickenofthecave7046 póg mo thóin.
@@irish6779 no thanks
@@irish6779You can kiss mine if you like darling 😂😂😂
As a ex class 1 hgv, if that load had shifted and burst a curtain open then anyone could have been killed. I'd sack him for being a risk to the company.. and other drivers...
Just sheer laziness, hope he gets a fine
That is laziness, maybe he had to wait to get loaded but the trailer straps take a couple of minutes to do, no time at all really. Ratchet straps would be a ball ache with so little top clearance and all those corner protectors. Obviously as others have said the load is very light so I’d do the trailer straps especially if I was side loaded like this guy was because the straps are at the back and across the rear doors.
Completely agree guy shouldn’t have done it should have strapped it down but do you really need to film the guy and post it to social media guy made a mistake nobody was hurt leave it at that now he has to endure and re live the embarrassment time after time if a work colleague or someone he knows finds this poor show really talk about brotherhood and all that bollocks just as bad as watching and filming someone reverse into someone you would rather sit there and laugh than get out and lend a hand
I couldn't agree with you more... It's "drivers" like the one filming who gloat on other drivers misfortunes that really makes me feel sorry for them because they have nothing else better to do do except film and gloat over the poor guy... If he's that much of a know all, why didn't he get out and help? Because he's too busy filming after he's all ready chucked his teabags out the window onto the floor and threw his bottle of piss in the hedge...
@@nigelbevan8449 exactly full of their own self importance to many self righteous know it all drivers out there passing judgement on others
A man in a hurry to get to his tipping point.
When I was a forklift driver at DHL in Brackmills I used to load curtain sided lorrys with 2m high pallets (tv's or white goods). Never ever seen anyone opening curtains after it was loaded to strap the load. Can't get that.
DHL Use XL rated curtain-siders which satisfies the requirements for load security IF the load is "positive fit" like the truck shown here. Non-XL curtains however are just for weather proofing so this truck being shown will still need to strap up. Even when double stacking, if the weight of the stack is under 400kg then an XL curtain is still acceptable on its own.
Forklift driver we don't need advice from the likes of you
@@markelliott7509 you have no idea what you are talking about
In Germany these cargo straps are unacceptable......in France no straps mandatory but if accidents occurs and damage is done by loose cargo driver is responsible...... So it depends on a country what law they passed.....
He thought gravity will hold it down 😂
If you don't want to strap and tarp work for a company without curtain sides or flatbeds. Very simple really!
An expensive mistake.
He'll definitely think twice before taking another unsecured load out on the road
It’s not a mistake it’s just lazyness
Some Curtains on Tautliners are Rated as a Restraint Curtain but they must have a Placard Identifying as such. That Load is Very Light as the Centre Lift Axle on the Unit isn't Down Owing to Lack of Weight on the Load Sensor. If he was Fined as a Result of that Stop, Personally i would take it Further, even if it involved going to Court.
I pulled a tauntliner for a little while. There were no straps to secure loads. I didn't stay there long.
REFUSE to take it out CALL report company to VOSA/ DVSA SIMPLES .
Same. Started doing flatbeds for a company, straps were like unicorn s**t and the ones I did get were cut and frayed. I ended up walking out. FORS registered too.
That curtain will kill you
Im not sure if im correct on this so please enlighten me.... the internal straps are only only rated up to 400KG, is that correct?
I normally just use ratchets to be safe.
it's light load as his lift xle is up
You're dead on kid internal straps are not as strong as the ratchet strap curtains are probably stronger than the internal straps too much red tape and those pallets are not going to move anyway
Unlucky trailer 13 .
Yep, definitely she did very well. As a lorry driver myself class 1 I've seen many drivers just double stack a load close curtains and go! Absolutely 0 straps! It makes me terrified!
The pallets on that load don't weigh anything, each pallet can't be more than 100kls because the box's on the top of the bottom pallets not even creased, the law says if the load fills the trailer and the curtains are load retaining curtains it doesn't need strapping... it would be pointless as the load is never going to come through the curtains and the curtains are stronger than the internal straps anyway...
@@timward500 I agree it does look pretty light
those pallets were going nowhere with all the tautliner straps in place and tight, tautliners can carry 44ton gross with the load poured into the roof.
It doesnt matter, the rules are broken and they should actually be ratchet straps not internals because they are double stacked, weight doesnt matter, internals for single pallets less than 400kg, double stacked need to be ratchets.....THE RULES, all there and freely available to be read on the DVSA website
Blue tooth straps rule 👌
I hate curtainsiders. Poxy bloody things
Normal day in UK
Why the need to film it and stick in on youtube till the ends of time so the individual has to keep reliving the mistake he made, you dont get out much, been bullied at school or just one of those types that enjoys inflicting misery on others, the types that back in the day would get a punch in the face for sass talk.
Makes him feel better about himself obviously, says a lot about him as a person.
Do as you are told, do not use your brain, comply, comply...
How much you think he gets fined
Not enough
The fine for that would be £100 Per pallet i learnt that mistake when i first past out luckily i got off without a fine even the side board thrown onto the bed if not strapped could be classified as a loose load
Thrupence happney
Normally it's just £100.
They say £100 per strap,but it's normally reduced to a total of £100.
Nothing really.
IT IS NOT £100 per pallet here in the UK you would get a £100 fixed penalty for an insecure load and you can also get 3 penalty points! Where do these muppets get their information sheeesh!!!!!@@gytrucker
Glad he got a ticket lazy sod if you don’t have a security seal on you don’t have no excuse!!
Even with a security seal he should've still made sure it's secure before taking to the road
Thats embrassing but don't think he is with the company anymore never met him personally
We don’t know what’s in the boxes and they could be load baring curtains
Watch the video, he says they are NOT xl curtains, also double stacked pallets should be strapped with RATCHET STRAPS NOT INTERNAL STRAPS, no matter what they weigh, internals can only be used for single pallets weighing less than 400kg so it still hasn't been strapped correctly, the copper doesn't know the rules.
@wiganer9912 so all a ratchet strap would do is crush the box's and not secure.the other boxes on the pallet
Bearing
He doesn't deserve to be on the road. Gives all the good HGV drivers a bad name, which is totally unfair. I hope the Company he works for was informed, and the fine a huge one.
But he doesn't give you a bad name, because no one really thinks about it. However what is egotistical, is the vast amount of HGV so called professional drivers, unwilling to come off that cruise control, when another truck is struggling to overtake. You see it day in and day out, and i'll bet my bottom dollar, you do the same, and don't lie
@@gary63693And who are you may I ask.
Just incase those who dont know,its at least £100 PER STRAP,in fines,at least 26 straps,plus points on you,re licence,and youcan go up infront off traffic comisioner
No points on licence.
Normally they just give you £100 fine for the entire load.
You will only go in front of the commissioner if you are a serious repete offender.
No it isnt! Fixed penalty of £100!!!!!
where is his high vis?
not required
Because he's In a services
AGE 59 ///// 33YRS ON/ OFF TRUCKING . NO NO excuse for that just lazy ness . HE has plenty straps . IT it be diffrent if none were supplied by company & EASY SIDE STRAPS & THAT MERE 10/ 15 MIN WORK . SAD that some let side down . MATUR driver should no better .
He was in a hurry to kill someone
Light weight boxes guarantee they not go through the curtains only jobsworths and. Inexperienced will talk such crap as for the plods it's all money for pot
@@user-mn5ov4si1o ... Yeah, and there are plenty of jobsworths in this comment section.
People that lap up the Dcpc.@@martinwebb1681
that's females for yaa. never give males second chance. is called revenge
Should have lost his license for this, no excuses.
Stop being a drama queen.
Don't be silly.
Just give the Driver a bit of benefi of the doubt,, A lot of drivers now are to DUMB to strap a load properly,,
That's why not meany load their trailers now ,
Just hook on and go ,,
Its the person that loaded it's job to strap it , ok maybe he should have checked it ,, but he only gets
PAYED TO TOW IT
The driver's job is to ensure that the load is properly secured. And safely transported. Load checks are to be made in a timely manner. If you can't follow the rules, find a different job.
Of course he should have checked it was secured - You don't leave that to some muffin driving the forklift; who'd probably pissed-off the driver by refusing to lift him up to drag the curtain along anyway.
He's still solely responsible for the load one He's pulling it doesn't matter who loaded it