Queen's Lecture 2016 by Dr Turi King | King Richard III - the resolution of a 500-year-old mystery
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- Richard III, the protagonist in Shakespeare's play of the same name, is the focus of 2016's Queen's Lecture that we were organising jointly with Technische Universität Berlin and the British Embassy Berlin. .
Dr Turi King provided overwhelming genetic evidence that the skeleton discovered under a car park in Leicester was indeed the body of King Richard III. Watch this video to find out more.
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Without CZcams I would have missed this whole Richard III event. Thank You CZcams!
That was absolutely fascinating and it would have been such a privilege to have been in the audience. While a minor point, but one that fascinates me and perhaps others - is the Canadian fellow who matched his DNA to Richard III - is a London based woodworker and it was he that made the English Oak coffin that Richard's remains were buried in. I think that is a lovely part of the story. He thus made the coffin of his royal ancestor.
I agree entirely. Makes you realise that there are kind people in this world. I went to Leicester Cathedral to convey my respects for a must maligned king, only to discover as we were walking out a full length video of Richard 111 (Shakespeare) Olivier with an enormous hump, playing the horrible man to perfection.
Not quite an ancestor. Richard III left no descendants. The connection is through the King's sister, Anne Duchess of Exeter. The connection is therefore collateral and not direct.
Brilliant talk from Turi King, great speaker! Really enjoyed it 😊
Amazing story. Amazing team. A brave king to fight with scoliosis. Gets my respect 👍
And by all accounts, he was an excellent horseman and swordsmen not withstanding his seeming disability. Talk about " such it up " and get on with it mentality!
I am very surprised that he could ride a horse with scoliosis.
@@silverstuff182 it amazes me how he fought as well. He must of been very strong. Imagine your king in the battle with you.. 🇬🇧👍
Really much more credit needs to be given to the Richard III society, without whom, this dig would NOT have occurred at all. I hate it when academics try to claim credit they don't deserve.
Langley and the Society was mentioned a lot. They did the legwork tho not the excavation or DNA testing.
The Richard 3rd soc raised the money to fund the dig.
The Richard III Society also gives scholarships to kids interested in late medieval studies
Thank you for your hard work & immense enthusiasm to produce an amazing lecture!!
Excellent presentation. Thank you for posting!
Lecture starts at 17:00
Kristian Fagerström Thanks
Thank you!
Yeah, three introductions? Entirely gratuitous.
This nice Canadian lady has spent so much time in England she keeps pronouncing words in an English manner and then bouncing back to her native pronunciation. Lol. More importantly, this was an amazing discovery and story.
@@jenniferr2648 I’m a bit of a mimic myself... and very unconsciously. I am also predominately British by ancestry, but I don’t think that has much to do with it, lol.
She reminds me of my sister , and i was the one conceived there lol . Me mum flew for 17 hours 6 or 7 months preggers . I often wonder how i would have turned out lol. prob the same.
Here is a hypothesis which was not discussed anywhere: Richard III was evidently humiliated after death (wound in his buttocks bones attests to this), but I am willing to bet he was also dragged by the feet behind a horse (which would not have been uncommon to 'mistreat' an opponent following a battle in medieval times in some circles...) and possibly this may explain why no feet were found close to the body ...they may have been cut off to untie them once they got to where they dropped the body. . . Hence, his feet may never be found. . . This is where you get this idea first. . .
they know the feet were separated long after being buried.
@@rohadtanyad8908 how do they know? History is written by victors, not necessarily those dedicated to the truth. How simultaneously stupid and cruel.
@@dougr.2398 wow, you are spectacularly misinformed. this knowledge doesn't come from history, it comes from archeology and forensic medical science.
@@rohadtanyad8908 I’m not referring to archeology and forensic science alone. I’m sorry those are your sole fields of attention. Do you know why parts of an enemies body are separated and buried separately? It is superstition treated as factual.
@@rohadtanyad8908 so what are the dates of the separation and the source materials? Support your opinions with facts for a change
Im amazed that a person with such a deformity could even walk , let alone get up a horse and go into battle.
Not only battle, many, many battles. And 20+ years of daily martial practice, with his swords and jousting; daily horseback riding; daily dancing and Court attendance. He travelled long distances, on horseback, in uncomfortable ships, back and forth to France, from his childhood. The BBC did a film on a young man with the same degree of scoliosis. He learned to ride, to wear armour, and move, in a matter of weeks, built up his strength and proved that all these activities could be learned to do without a great deal of discomfort and/or pain.
I've got scoliosis, albeit not quite so severe (but to kind of make up for it, I also suffer from a severe hollow back, in short, it is a complete mess this or the other way) and I cannot only walk but did hard physical work all my life. I'm over forty now and still ploughing on as always. And from my experience, not doing something physical is a lot worse than to work hard and strengthen your back muscles.
Oh, and I also ride horses, btw. Admittedly, at first, I drove my riding instructor to the brink of insanity because I obviously cannot sit as straight on a horse as everybody else and I was constantly told off for it. - That was until I showed my teacher just how warped my back is (to give you an idea, my left shoulder is over an inch higher than my right and almost two inches further to the front) and that with that, I'm physically incapable to sit on a horse any differently without completely losing balance (pretty much as one could see in the documentary that was commented on, too). Funnily enough, one doesn't pick up on any unevenness as easy as one might think, because living people tend to move and wear clothes...
There is a Secrets of the Dead documentary where they find a young man with an almost identical scoliosis, fit him with armour, train him to ride and fight. Dominic Smee who already participates in recreations of the Battle of Bosworth, was kitted out in full armour and proved just how effective a warrior Richard III could have been - fascinating stuff,thoroughly recommended czcams.com/video/HR4FYngqxxo/video.html
They found a man with the same degree of scoliosis and trained him to battle and use the same armour as well as the same wooden saddle remade and actually said the saddle made his body feel better and his pain and discomfort was gone he only had the issue of shortness of breath due to his physiological changes to his ribs and lungs from said scoliosis
Sebastian Wood must be the son of John Wood - great Shakespearian actor! Very cool connection there. And fascinating lecture by Dr. King.
This was really sweet and fun! Thanks!
Great presentation. It reminds me of the lectures we have in Bklyn NY given through The Secret Science Club.
Wonderful Lecture. Lovely lady. 👌🏽🌟🌹
Really interesting, Thanks!
By the way, I think it's equally fascinating that most of the documented family trees can be proven by DNA...and is scoliosis a genetic defect? She mentioned elsewhere that it's an idiopathic issue, that in other words, it's impossible to know why the curvature started. I was supposedly a swaybacked child, which I think is just the way lots of kids stand when they are very young, just at the toddler age, and I think it's a compensation for tummies or leg length, etc. I knew a girl in high school who was likely like Richard III in the way her spine was bent. She was a very slender thing and a little creepy, her shoulders were thrust up in an attempt to walk normally, because I believe she had to wear one of those ugly shoes on one foot to even out her gait. She was very pretty, actually, slender and gentle looking. But a bit startling because she was also so short because of the malformation.
No. It started for unknown reasons. They know it wasn't there from birth and it sometimes just happens. Probably about when he was 10 as they can see he was still growing when it started
Most cases of scoliosis are idiopathic (ie, of unknown cause).
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R marks the PLOT - not the spot! :D
How about the next research/DNA study address the bones of two children found in the Tower...the lost Princes or not?? HMTQ doesn't seem to want THOSE skeletons to be examined!! Proper burial would be as highly desirable as that of King Richard III.
Hi Judy Mac I agree with you but from what I understand the current monarchy will not authorize the DNA analysis. Why not? I cannot begin to understand why.
@@leza6288 maybe 'cause she knows it was Henry VII who did it
@@ajrwilde14 QE II or KC III unrelated to R III or Henry VII. What's the point of opposing?
She unearthed Richard III but buried that pub. 28:59
Remarkable sequence of coincidences.
Brilliant
Interesting that R3 would have been called a hunchback when, having been stripped after he was killed, he would very obviously not have been. Scoliosis doesn’t cause that type of deformity.
My impression is that it's very likely that most people had no idea he had a spinal twist until his body was stripped. Only his tailor, armorer, servants who helped dress him, and women who slept with him would've known, and none of them would have gossiped about it. So then when they saw there was something strange about his back, they started the "hunchback" story as more convenient Tudor propaganda, but it wasn't based on anyone actually noticing anything when he was upright.
Surprising that his feet just walked 👣
If there is no living descendants of Richard III, can the DNA of a deceased descendants be used? Very nice presentation. Thabk you for sharing
yes, go up Richard's tree to Edward then back down through John Gaunt continue down 13-16 generation's to the (modern male) Somerset male line
Yes, in theory there'll be close relatives from the time whose burial sites are known but obviously they'll all be nobility and digging them up is politically and morally impossible. So you have to find someone living and the maternal line was the best one as you know who gave birth and who the mother was...whereas as she said the father's identity is debatable, and they in fact proved that somewhere in those 19 generations there's been someone cheating on their husband
The only problem is getting the approval to examine the DNA..many of these individuals are high status, some buried at Westminster, and many require the Queen’s permission herself. This is why the 2 children found in the Tower of London have not been examined...permission has been denied. They would carry the same y-DNA as Richard so in theory it should be an extremely easy thing to check....until one realizes that there may have been some hanky-panky on the part of Edward IV and Richard’s mother; and Edward IV has long been suspected of not being the true-born son of Lord Richard and therefore not a true Plantagenet. Richard iii and their brother George were very similar in stature and looks, Edward IV was exceptionally tall and extremely different in build and looks. Also for Edward to be the son of Lord Richard, his mother’s pregnancy would have had to last 11 months.
These are the suspected reasons why permission has been denied. The hornet’s nest it would uncover would not be worth it, as the line of Plantagenets that continue directly to QEII comes from Edward’s daughter, Anne of York. Wife of Henry VII and ancestress of all later English and Scottish monarchs. And if Edward himself wasn’t legitimate...that means the ancestress of all modern moderns (throughout Europe!) wouldn’t be legitimate either. Best to let sleeping hornets lie.
If you look on yt Dr King did a lecture on all of that. Quite fascinating
@@mamavswild Elizabeth of York.... Anne was Richard's younger sister.
So Richard found Richard. Interesting.
To hear Dr. King's speech FAST FORWARD 17 MINUTES INTO THE VIDEO OF DR. KING.
YES SHE NO TALKEY FOR LONG TIMEY!!
WOW.
The old ancient break on the male line does not affect the York Line. (probably KEIV and KRIII's grandmother...on the male side.) Because their real claim to the throne came from the female line, through Lionel, the 2nd son of KEIII. And then through KEIV's daughter, the wife of KHVII, and so on. (Richard, E of Cambridge, was probably illegitimate. His mother Isabelle of Castille probably cheated on her husband, Richard D of York. But....Richard E of Cambridge had as his wife, Anne Mortimer , descendant of Lionel, 2nd son of KEIII)
Look, I know yhe Queens ggerman, and Richard the third was a frenchie, but since when was the lecture delivered in deutsch?
Because the lecture took place in Germany at a German University.
@@sandrahuibers8081 gut also das erklart es
God bless His Majesty King Richard III.
👍👑👍👑👍
3 introducers? Seems a bit much.
16:47
Turi is Canadian but lives in England
The tuders won't match. But I may.
God Bless Richard 111. Real bad ass king.
I'm sure they got the wrong skeleton.
I'm sure Elizabeth ll related to the Tudors is very pleased to lend her name to this one. 😁
Well the Tudors themselves (except Henry VII) were all half Plantagenet through Henry VII’s wife Queen Anne of York who had an even better claim to the throne than her husband. She was the daughter of the Plantagenet king Edward IV and the niece of Richard III so you can see how it all comes together quite nicely.
@@mamavswild
Actually it does not 'all come together quite nicely ' if Edward IV's father is an English archer.
Recommend Tony Robinson's...
"Britain's Real Monarch.
@@gazza2933 Edward IV wife had Plantagenet descent though from John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster.
Was his front tooth knocked out at death or earlier?
Anybody know?
I think the tooth was pulled because of pain.
Nobody will ever know, contemporary sources dont say he had teeth missing, his enemies would have made something out of it if he was mainly toothless. They had to take teeth out for DNA and with time after burial they probably naturally came out.
@@jujubees5855 where is your source for that?
It largely beats the Kardashians……..
"Royal Highness" QEII ????
Philippa Langley is a rock star!
Dr Turi King's science may be good, but her association with the University of Leicester makes me question her ethics.
Why don't you like the UoL?
A Real King Go in Battle as a Front man as a real Warrior..to give a meaning to a life , death defines.. Amen
Now you should do a DNA test on Henry VII !
True. Is he really a Plantagenet?
Excellent . I still want to know why they buried a Catholic in a heaven place ?
because cat
At Richard's death all of England was catholic, until the reformation of 1534. I think Richard would have been grateful and proud that he was buried as a king any where.
I think Richard would just be happy that he isn’t getting parked on anymore :-)
this skipped over Henry Tudors far more distant relation to the blood line...
Professor Doctor Thomsen sounds alot like Cigarette smoking Man from the X files.
CSI Leicester 😂
...they could have used forensic astrology too, look at Richards horoscope: gemini at the 8th house cusp and its ruler mercury (vehicles, cars) in the secretive 12th house (social service). His 8th house starts at the gemini degree....gemini: documents, local, small, town, geometric patterns, maps, yellow (gold, royal). Mercury at the aries point, "the head", "top". Its very clear, that he was found under a car park:-)
The Mathew Morris presentation on CZcams is much better than this woman.
the scientists are still not 100% sure it's him
yes,but it is the exact same odds of you being a fuckwit
They are, even with the most conservative estimates it's 99.999% it's Richard III
Denethor de Bradegar that’s still not 100% lol
@@ivancarlson953 That IS 100% for every practical purpose. So yes, they ARE sure it's him.
Denethor de Bradegar I know, right?! Bad joke of mine. Please forgive.
Paradigm: please research pronunciation
Brilliant, but I can’t stand how she pronounces “skeletal” as “skelEEEEtal.”
@Kim Alison I have a fresh pot brewing and ready to go. Why don’t you come over and have a nice cup of shut the f*ck up?
Philippa Langley
Prince William did not father Prince George, Princess Charlotte, and Prince Louis. Kate’s 6’10” blonde bodyguard did. 🎭🩰🎨
the scientists are still not 100% sure it's him
No, but as she said, they are 99.99999% sure - so I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt.
@@philroberts7238 I was joking haha