Outside of being use to the promotion display, I could get by with an air too, but everything else I have is 120hz or higher, the refresh rate of the air is bothersome for me, but I know that's a very minor issue to have in the grand scheme of things.
Correct, I downgraded from my 12.9 pro (A12) to a mini. But I honestly missed editing on Lumafusion (it was fun) and wanted to move my music & sound production to logic iPad so I got an 11in pro. Now that I have a real use case, its easy to see why the software is designed the way it is. Besides a better file manager, what other macOS features do we really want? I like and prefer the singular dedicated focus of having one app open. If I needed a spreadsheet or real computer tasks, ill use my MacBook air.
Last year, I upgraded my 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 inch to the 2023 model of the same size, but it didn't deliver much of a wow factor. However, I was content knowing I had future-proofed my hardware for the next 5 to 6 years. I took a chance on the iPad Pro 13 inch M4, with the mindset i’m going to return it….This time, it didn't disappoint… My Use Case, the wow factor was definitely there. The screen is stunning & unbelievably light and thin. Everything is crisp, not just bright… hands on is a must to truly appreciated it. It's a keeper.
Yes, that is true. I have no idea what a mm is without looking at a tape measure or Googling it. As someone who never learned the metric system, it’s incredibly difficult to just imagine those sizes.
@@BGRUBBIN I know the width of a door, which is 36 inches, is about a meter. And a common ratchet size is 3/8, which is close to 10 mm. The associations are helpful as reference points. Without them though, metric sizes really have no meaning.
As an architect, every part of my professional being longs for this device: sketching on nano-texture without the need for silly paper-like screen savers, reviewing and redlining large drawings, conducting 3D studies, performing onsite LIDAR measurements, explaining details to craftsmen on the construction site without dealing with shiny reflections, carrying less weight, and having the entire project documentation, including extensive picture catalogs, always on hand. This is perfect and not overdone. It's a versatile professional device for professional use cases, plain and simple. Yes, much of this is possible with my M1 iPad Pro, but many of my other tasks could also be done on an Intel Mac or even a Windows machine. However, would I even consider that? As soon as I'll find sling cases for carrying around, I'll place an order...
the nano texture is bad in environments with an overwhelming amount of light like the outside because it diffuses everything which makes the screen actually have less visibility at that point (saw it in 50 minute “teoh on tech m4 ipad review”)
Worn out nano texture would be the least to worry about. I’m not chiseling my sketches… ok, one could probably argue that 1000 nits aren’t enough to work in broad daylight, or contrasts are little dull compared to the glossy finish. When I stand in a group of people around me, explaining some details of a drawing or picture, one always can’t see properly because of reflections. This won’t happen with the nano texture glass. Overall visibility will be much better.
As a software dev and a hobbyist photographer, i bought the ipad to use during travel as my primary machine but its just a video/ebook reader, it doesn't even run the full version of Photoshop or Lightroom Classic. I would rather move to the new surface with snapdragon elite. Maybe its a bit slower but i could run whatever i want.
Let's wait and see how that x86 to arm porting would work. I bet it will be laggy and unstable as shit. Maybe considering the i7 model is a better idea for now.
@@MoharnabSaikia Lightroom Classic would be tough on an iPad. My M1 MBA (16GB Ram) throttles hard just editing on LrC and gets really hot around 90C, reaching 98C when exporting photos. Like, it runs ok, but I'm not comfortable having my computer consistently near boiling point of water. I think only Lightroom CC is a viable option for fanless devices.
As someone that used a Macbook and an iPad. I use my iPad more even than my phone when i’m at home, so i ended up selling my mac and ipad and got the M4 13” ipad with magic keyboard… it was the best decision ever my needs meet in between 🥰
Like any tech, buy to suit your use case or your budget. I get that the M4 pro may not differ much from the M2 in day to day use but not everyone is updating on an annual basis. I’ve upgraded from a 2018 ipad and dont regret it at all. There are useful differences for me and this is the device i spend most of my time using. Like the previous model i’ll be keeping this for 5-6 years.
I had the 2018 and honestly, this 2024 is snapping fast. That, the weight and the screen make it worth it for me. But I agree it’s not a huuuuuge improvement.
@ 10:28 The last mini LED on last ipad pro only reached 600 nits SDR, the new one reaches 1000 nits SDR so they are not exactly the same. For HDR content they are the same.
Either Apple is not making enough changes or they're making too many changes, no one can ever be happy. Let's give these engineers and designers at apple some credit once in a while. The Apple Pencil was completely redesigned on the inside, they added gyroscopes, haptic engines, find my capability, a new charging system. And yeah they had to keep the charging in the same exact spot because of orientation, ease of use and aesthetics. 1.Most people are right handed and so it would need to stay on the right side for portrait mode and 2. It stays attached better and is more easily accessible for grabbing when it's on top and in landscape mode. 3.if it was off to one side or the other it would look weird asf. You know Apple is all about Aesthetics.
When he mentioned a “clip” iPod I wasn’t sure if he was maybe confusing it with the 4th gen iPod Shuffle. But the 6th gen iPod Nano (the small square one with a screen that some people liked to put on a wrist strap) also had a clip. The thinnest iPod Nano though was the final one… the 7th gen at 5.4mm (and no clip). And yes the dimensions in the specs for the 4th gen Shuffle and 6th gen Nano include the clip (8.7mm and 8.78mm respectively)
You could say the same thing about every damn IPhone and Samsung phone in the last 3 years. It’s an iPad Pro. It’s obviously not for you if you don’t use it professionally. Those that do. Love it.
You really think only professionals buy these things or enough professionals do? I think Apple fans love to buy the best tech. So yes I think this is definitely a consumer product. It’s Apple, they get away with this kind of stuff. But I’m just guessing. Would be interesting to see numbers of certain types of professionals and see if they actually use this.
This is my first iPad Pro and my second ever iPad, I had the mini 6 before so the screen upgrade is gorgeous and feels much better. But I’m probably still going to use it the same way unless I try and get into some drawing again😂
@@AlbertoSara-pg7gki say they overhaul ipad OS and rework it to be a hybrid of mac os and ipad OS, give the base ipad through the ipad air ipad os, and then give the Pro the reworked ipadOS
I think the iPad might just be my favorite piece of hardware ever. Unfortunately my switch to Galaxy Tab has felt like a major upgrade, because despite the fact they have very similar features and then a significantly worse chip, nothing I did on my iPad actually benefitted from the M1. Not even because nothing I do could use that power - just nothing I would use that power for was on iPad.
The thinness I think is to test out ideas for the folding iPhone. Concept idea for how to make the screen and also see how thin they can make something and get the feed back so that they can make the iPhone 5mm thick so that when folded it’s only 10mm which would be very very thin for a folding phone
Hey, I'd love to join the conversation. Firstly, I think Apple always considers their design language in every device. Since 2018, with the Apple Pencil 2, they have consistently placed the Apple Pencil in the same spot. I believe that changing its placement would disrupt their design language, and that's why Apple has maintained this. (If they wanted to restrict the use of Apple Pencil Pro only to the latest iPad models, they would have done so without excuses.) Secondly, I believe that the decision to make the iPad thinner was not to boast about having the thinnest device, but rather to make it easier to hold for longer periods compared to its predecessors. Additionally, by making it thinner and lighter, they were able to make the Magic Keyboard much lighter as well. These are my thoughts on this.
The charging magnets cannot be moved to the “top-narrow” side because it would interfere with the cellular antenna and sound, as speakers grills are also located there. Cannot be moved to the “bottom-narrow” side because is where USB-C connections is. The correct place is where it is now, for better or worse.
We should see Final Cut 2, Final Cut Camera and the new Logic by June 10. The Dave Lee, Chris Hau and CineD M4 iPad videos have good info on Final Cut 2.
For me, lighter is better on a tablet. Yes, if you use it in a keyboard case all the time, you may not notice, but those that use it as tablet and hold it in hand for long periods, the lighter the better, especially on the 13 inch. Less weight means it's less unwieldy in hand. Obviously, battery power is always nice to have, but it gets 10 hours (even better in most tests I have seen) which is more than enough for most use cases. Portable batteries can fill the gap for those people that are away from a charger and are using it for more than 10 hours.
Assuming you attach the keyboard to the iPad, there's only one place for the pencil - right on top. So I'd give them a pass for the compatibility issue here
Notice how the only reason to upgrade your iPad is the screen quality, the Air has a slightly better screen than the 10th gen regular iPad, and the Pros have OLED now Other than that, nothing matters about iPads at all, you just want a way to read documents, an alternative to watchung stuff on your TV a nice way to draw things if you're an artist, and nothing more than that. And the current line up has been good for that for AGES at this point.
Apple Pencil Pro does not charge on the other side because it would be hard to grab it and put it down while on Magic Keyboard. Sides are also unusable (Thunderbolt on one side and a button on the other).
and they make it sound like the gen 2 pencil iPads just came out yesterday apple generally has at least 5ish years of supporting something they had 5 years of notch Face ID iPhones for example and we are probably going to have 5ish years of the island!!
Logitech Combo Touch cases also exist, which uses the other side to connect the detachable keyboard to the case. Telling your only brand partner that's willing to pay a huge sum of money to licence your pogo connectors "look, we decided to change how the Apple Pencil charges now on the new iPads. Your products are now useless" is a very bad move.
The magnet placement for the new pencil wouldn’t make sense to put on the other side or even on both sides. The magnets had to be redesigned with the new landscape camera in mind. So a new pencil with new magnet placement had to be made. If you put the old magnets on the other side it’s inconsistent to have different magnets on each side. Folio case would not work, you’d have a pencil snapping to the bottom side of the iPad on the Magic Keyboard. Their approach had to be done the way it was because you don’t want to train your user base to snap an older designed pencil on the incorrect side and open yourself up for criticism that the pencil doesn’t work with the other accessories for the iPad. Yes it happens to be convenient for Apple’s bottom line that new iPad means you have to re-buy new accessories(frustrating as an M2 owner with Magic Keyboard and Pencil), but the reasoning why it had to be that way is sound.
It doesn’t happen to be convenient, Apple chose it to be convenient. A billion dollar company could definitely have found a way to make those magnets work with the old pencil. Worse comes to worst, they could’ve made it slightly thicker to do so and fit an even bigger battery so it lasts for days on end. But nah “thin new ipad” is the slogan because they’re running out of ideas to innovate this obsoleting device unless it gets proper desktop apps and controls
The Apple pencil on the short sides would block the speakers. The other option moving the pencil on the other long side is, that things like the keyboards, even that from logitech, wouldn't work as smooth as they are now. But yeah it is a step that M4 is a new standard, as MacBooks and macs will follow. It was predicted since 2020 that M3 and M4 will be close I remember
Stem splitting apps has been out for a while like Moises app. Now Logic has it integrated which is good but not nothing new. The Moises app separated the stems well.
I’m doing just fine on my iPad 10th generation base model. I don’t have any lag any freezes. My screen is great. I have Apple Pencil. I have a magic keyboard and cellular connectivity. All I do is use this when my MacBook becomes too tedious I wanna lay in awkward positions and watch CZcams in stream my movie apps. There’s absolutely no reason for a person who has a 10th generation to get this. You might as well go by MacBook at that point and keep your 10th. Then they keep talking about the camera being centered but the front facing camera was already centered.
I have an IPad 9 the 400 Euros model, I use it for CZcams, Netflix, Emails and some other basic stuff, it works just fine to be honest, I think for the "casual user who just wants a bigger screen to watch something or send an email it is more than enough.
if you are a "casual user who just wants a bigger screen to watch something or send an email it is more than enough" then the ipad pro is definitely not for you
10:23 "better on the plane with a window open." That is such a manufactured complaint; if you're looking at the iPad, you're not looking out the window, if you need light for papers, or an un-backlit keyboard, there's an overhead light. What about: at a busy coffee shop?
Although it sounded like Apple invented or used the technology first, Tandem OLED was already used on a cellphone called "Honor Magic6 RSR" in March, and Apple just took the credit.
8GB or 16GB Ram for iPad Pro? I’ll be using my iPad for surfing web, emails, scrolling Facebook/Twitter and Netflix. I also want to be prepared for iPadOS 18 AI features. Please help me decide - 8GB or 16GB ram?
They didn’t move the pencil to the short side because there’s something there called SPEAKERS that would be blocked. Man …..this dudes a multimillionaire too
It's not lighter or thinnerfor nothing. People who want a laptop replacement want something thin and light. It's basically as thin as the MBA closed and weighs almost exactly as much, whereas last model's was heavier and bigger. That's what I think anyway
"we changed the location of the magnets so you CANT use the pro pencil on the older ipads AND cant use the non-pro pencil on the new ipad; buy the new one" "we also changed the dimensions of the whole ipad just enough so older keyboards etc wont work; buy the new one" "oh and while we're being generous...here have a dogwater quality 20w charging brick with your $3,000 device; buy another new one" when will ppl realize apple hates its customers?
Tech is at pinnacle. Name one piece of tech that’s actually new??? Everything will just be a slight improvement from the last model. From this point on it’s going to be what the software engineers can come up with
He wants iPad Mac iOS. That’s why he is not the boss of a multi billion dollar corporation. He is a raving capitalist but seems unable to grasp why Apple won’t tank there own products
Great video. This is the reality of "form over function". The aesthetic and visual appeal of a the iPad Pro design is given priority over its practical purpose and functionality. No Apps can take advantage of the powerful CPU. So performance is not really a factor? Just the same iPad just "thinner" with a "new`'pencil. Running the same Apps, for a higher price! Good luck Apple!
The OLED screen is actually a substantial upgrade. I hated the blooming the iPad 12.9 with mini LED had, it made some parts of movies and tv shows almost unwatchable as it would almost look blotchy and flickering when scenes would happen with dark backgrounds. I’m happy with the upgrade, yes it’s an over powered iPad that runs iOS, so what. Not everyone wants Mac OS. I enjoy iPad os, it’s smooth and easy to multitask when I need to.
If your a gamer and want the highest specs and the oled is something you want than it’s so worth it. Trust me. I still have my m1 but the m4 is nutty. Shits on the m1 in performance on games
Marques, you are not the demographic for this device hate to break it to you. A "pro" iPad Pro user is climbing telephone poles needing statistics, a doctor needing 3d scans in the field right next to their patient during surgery, a musician who needs a touch based os to manipulate sound, or a calligraphy artist who needs tilt, barrel roll and hover to see exactly where their line will be before they write it and can get the exact thickness and fine lines. 3D modeling, animation, the list goes on... Anyone that requires an intimate touch based OS. This, is Apples target demographic. They made it thinner for THESE pro users. You my friend would fall under the category of a "pro" traditional computer user, where keyboard shortcuts, complex plug ins and tandem software running, coding, etc. anything designed for a keyboard and mouse based input basically. These are traditional ways we all know of doing work and it's okay to have leaned these ways very efficiently and fast and effective. But there's a touch based way of learning these tasks as well. yes it may not be as efficient (yet) but 99% of the time its just as effective, and you will get more efficient as time goes on. And I get it, It's hard to break habits and learning new software and creating new workflows but it' is possible. It's like going from a car to an electric motorcycle; little bit of a learning curve, and may I say dedication and a little talent?. But it's also possible to use these two devices together in tandem. For example, most the time my iPad pro is on a stand next to my mac and I use it as a sidekick and portable computer when I'm not at my desk. I can start making music on my iPad in logic and then finish mixing and mastering on my mac. I also work with designs and 3d modeling and i use my iPad pro solely for those projects. I use my mac for certain "pro" things and my iPad for OTHER "pro" things. And that's fine with me, I'm not too sure why everyone wants an all in one. I would personally hate doing any type of huge file management project, or multi frame video editing, or really anything that requires multiple screens or a larger screen on an iPad. It just comes down to thinking what the best case scenario for these devices are, and if your workflow falls under those categories or not.
He’s mad that Apple won’t allow Mac iOS on an iPad. They will eventually . But it will be an Apple pro extra and it will cost 5 thousand dollars for the base model. Multi millionaire Google employees (CZcamsrs) would be just fine with that price point. Tech that only they can afford.
Just because Apple calls some of their hardware "Pro", doesn't make the hardware for professionals. All the points made by OP, are either total overkill with an Ipad Pro or underwhelmingly unsuitable for the job.
A computer, large monitor, and a Wacom blow the iPad Pro away for truly Pro design, modeling. iPad Pro can’t change the fact it’s only 13” max, has limited software, and a slippery screen (w/o paper like). It’s nice for mobility and lighter work. It would be like somebody talking about how good the gaming is on an iPad. It simply cannot compare to a Windows desktop or console hooked up to a large screen
With all that 🔋 💪 processing power, it is sad that it is being used for half its potential. When you sue the Samsung Dex, you get the ability to multitask to a whole different level. You can have multiple apps running simultaneously without minimizing one.
why are they even making iOS and A series iPhone chips if they can fit that kind of power into a chip the size of the M series chips and an OS that basically mimics iOS/MacOS across all of Apples devices? For that Matter why arent they all just running one uniform OS that just does updates specifically for each device when a new update goes live over the air? Genuniely curious so looking for the tech heads in the comments who are smarter than me and can help provide insight into techincal/hardware constraints beyond things that are solvable through engineering/ingenuity (that this company literally rode to a trillion dollar valuation) because I just don't get why they don't make it one cohesive OS or why they don't slap an M4 chip into the next iPhone and call it a day on questioning which phone has the best specs.
Marques’s usecase of the iPad doesn’t even justify a Pro model, let alone the latest M4. He could do with a base Air
But Pro 😢
Outside of being use to the promotion display, I could get by with an air too, but everything else I have is 120hz or higher, the refresh rate of the air is bothersome for me, but I know that's a very minor issue to have in the grand scheme of things.
once you go 120hz for everything else 60hz sticks out like a sore thumb
@@okay7332not really, imho.
Correct, I downgraded from my 12.9 pro (A12) to a mini. But I honestly missed editing on Lumafusion (it was fun) and wanted to move my music & sound production to logic iPad so I got an 11in pro.
Now that I have a real use case, its easy to see why the software is designed the way it is. Besides a better file manager, what other macOS features do we really want? I like and prefer the singular dedicated focus of having one app open. If I needed a spreadsheet or real computer tasks, ill use my
MacBook air.
Can we get a Mini 7. 😤
M1/M2 Mini Please.
@@gordonoboh833i'm skeptical of that , might run into thermal limitation. A17 or A16 should be enough with a base storage of 128gb at same price.
They had a great chance to release it, but they didn't. 😢😢😢
It's called 'iphone'
Mini 7 with OLED (not tandem), the same chip as the iPhone 15 Pro would be awesome.
Last year, I upgraded my 2018 iPad Pro 12.9 inch to the 2023 model of the same size, but it didn't deliver much of a wow factor. However, I was content knowing I had future-proofed my hardware for the next 5 to 6 years. I took a chance on the iPad Pro 13 inch M4, with the mindset i’m going to return it….This time, it didn't disappoint… My Use Case, the wow factor was definitely there. The screen is stunning & unbelievably light and thin. Everything is crisp, not just bright… hands on is a must to truly appreciated it. It's a keeper.
1/20 of an inch is somehow easier for Americans to understand than 2mm. Praised be Gilead
Yes, that is true. I have no idea what a mm is without looking at a tape measure or Googling it. As someone who never learned the metric system, it’s incredibly difficult to just imagine those sizes.
Under his eye.
I hope you are joking. @@curiosityintrigue
@@BGRUBBIN I know the width of a door, which is 36 inches, is about a meter. And a common ratchet size is 3/8, which is close to 10 mm. The associations are helpful as reference points. Without them though, metric sizes really have no meaning.
You speak true, I say thank you
As an architect, every part of my professional being longs for this device: sketching on nano-texture without the need for silly paper-like screen savers, reviewing and redlining large drawings, conducting 3D studies, performing onsite LIDAR measurements, explaining details to craftsmen on the construction site without dealing with shiny reflections, carrying less weight, and having the entire project documentation, including extensive picture catalogs, always on hand. This is perfect and not overdone. It's a versatile professional device for professional use cases, plain and simple. Yes, much of this is possible with my M1 iPad Pro, but many of my other tasks could also be done on an Intel Mac or even a Windows machine. However, would I even consider that? As soon as I'll find sling cases for carrying around, I'll place an order...
How are you gonna replace the nano texture display once it becomes worn out?
the nano texture is bad in environments with an overwhelming amount of light like the outside because it diffuses everything which makes the screen actually have less visibility at that point (saw it in 50 minute “teoh on tech m4 ipad review”)
Worn out nano texture would be the least to worry about. I’m not chiseling my sketches… ok, one could probably argue that 1000 nits aren’t enough to work in broad daylight, or contrasts are little dull compared to the glossy finish. When I stand in a group of people around me, explaining some details of a drawing or picture, one always can’t see properly because of reflections. This won’t happen with the nano texture glass. Overall visibility will be much better.
You’ll still need a paper like screen protector. The nano texture won’t change the pencil on glass feeling.
I got myself an iPad Air M2, but I've never had an iPad before and this was actually a pretty good value so far
I just bought the Air M2 myself. Let’s see how it works. Seems great so far tho
Got mine last month. I will probably keep it for the next 5 years or so
What does it do better than iPhone for you ?
@@jeremytenjocontent watching, school work etc
The value is you can use them for 10+ years
As an artist coming from the 2018 iPad Pro, this is actually a game changer!
As a software dev and a hobbyist photographer, i bought the ipad to use during travel as my primary machine but its just a video/ebook reader, it doesn't even run the full version of Photoshop or Lightroom Classic. I would rather move to the new surface with snapdragon elite. Maybe its a bit slower but i could run whatever i want.
Let's wait and see how that x86 to arm porting would work. I bet it will be laggy and unstable as shit. Maybe considering the i7 model is a better idea for now.
@@SerhiiZhydel definitely need to wait for performance. I don't trust their arm computers because of the fails till now. 🤞
@@MoharnabSaikia Lightroom Classic would be tough on an iPad. My M1 MBA (16GB Ram) throttles hard just editing on LrC and gets really hot around 90C, reaching 98C when exporting photos. Like, it runs ok, but I'm not comfortable having my computer consistently near boiling point of water. I think only Lightroom CC is a viable option for fanless devices.
Don't worry about the Snapdragon chip. It was designed by the two main architects of the first Apple M chips.
As someone that used a Macbook and an iPad. I use my iPad more even than my phone when i’m at home, so i ended up selling my mac and ipad and got the M4 13” ipad with magic keyboard… it was the best decision ever my needs meet in between 🥰
I still think that the earlier apple silicon iPads are fine
I think everyone does
Ew
My 2018 A12X is still good...
Apple has been using apple silicon in their iPads since they launched
also have a 2018 ipad and it works fine, there are some missing features at this point but still not worth the upgrade
Stem Splitter is amazing. For DJs, being able to remove elements for remixes is incredible.
The screen is gorgeous
Like any tech, buy to suit your use case or your budget. I get that the M4 pro may not differ much from the M2 in day to day use but not everyone is updating on an annual basis. I’ve upgraded from a 2018 ipad and dont regret it at all. There are useful differences for me and this is the device i spend most of my time using. Like the previous model i’ll be keeping this for 5-6 years.
I have a 2018 ipad pro and have still not felt the need to upgrade 😂 thanks for the heads up
I had the 2018 and honestly, this 2024 is snapping fast. That, the weight and the screen make it worth it for me. But I agree it’s not a huuuuuge improvement.
This iPad Pro is definitely worth the upgrade
@@michiganmir7838 What makes it worth the upgrade? What apps will take advantage of M4?
As long as it’s running iPadOS, you won’t need to upgrade
@ 10:28 The last mini LED on last ipad pro only reached 600 nits SDR, the new one reaches 1000 nits SDR so they are not exactly the same. For HDR content they are the same.
Either Apple is not making enough changes or they're making too many changes, no one can ever be happy. Let's give these engineers and designers at apple some credit once in a while. The Apple Pencil was completely redesigned on the inside, they added gyroscopes, haptic engines, find my capability, a new charging system. And yeah they had to keep the charging in the same exact spot because of orientation, ease of use and aesthetics. 1.Most people are right handed and so it would need to stay on the right side for portrait mode and 2. It stays attached better and is more easily accessible for grabbing when it's on top and in landscape mode. 3.if it was off to one side or the other it would look weird asf. You know Apple is all about Aesthetics.
When he mentioned a “clip” iPod I wasn’t sure if he was maybe confusing it with the 4th gen iPod Shuffle. But the 6th gen iPod Nano (the small square one with a screen that some people liked to put on a wrist strap) also had a clip. The thinnest iPod Nano though was the final one… the 7th gen at 5.4mm (and no clip). And yes the dimensions in the specs for the 4th gen Shuffle and 6th gen Nano include the clip (8.7mm and 8.78mm respectively)
You could say the same thing about every damn IPhone and Samsung phone in the last 3 years. It’s an iPad Pro. It’s obviously not for you if you don’t use it professionally. Those that do. Love it.
You really think only professionals buy these things or enough professionals do? I think Apple fans love to buy the best tech. So yes I think this is definitely a consumer product. It’s Apple, they get away with this kind of stuff. But I’m just guessing. Would be interesting to see numbers of certain types of professionals and see if they actually use this.
This is my first iPad Pro and my second ever iPad, I had the mini 6 before so the screen upgrade is gorgeous and feels much better. But I’m probably still going to use it the same way unless I try and get into some drawing again😂
2:52: “the thinnest apple device ever made” *shows an m2 ipad air
I still use my 2017 iPadPro with gen1 Apple Pencil. It is still snappy for note taking, web browsing and YouTubing.
iPad OS is like a jail for such an amazing machine. That will be the doom for the iPad as a product if that is not updated.
Big agree. They are so scared it will disrupt their laptops imo
@@AlbertoSara-pg7gki say they overhaul ipad OS and rework it to be a hybrid of mac os and ipad OS, give the base ipad through the ipad air ipad os, and then give the Pro the reworked ipadOS
I think the iPad might just be my favorite piece of hardware ever.
Unfortunately my switch to Galaxy Tab has felt like a major upgrade, because despite the fact they have very similar features and then a significantly worse chip, nothing I did on my iPad actually benefitted from the M1. Not even because nothing I do could use that power - just nothing I would use that power for was on iPad.
What exactly is the ios restricting?
@@tioswift3676types of programs that can be used and the ui itself
The thinness I think is to test out ideas for the folding iPhone. Concept idea for how to make the screen and also see how thin they can make something and get the feed back so that they can make the iPhone 5mm thick so that when folded it’s only 10mm which would be very very thin for a folding phone
Hey, I'd love to join the conversation.
Firstly, I think Apple always considers their design language in every device. Since 2018, with the Apple Pencil 2, they have consistently placed the Apple Pencil in the same spot. I believe that changing its placement would disrupt their design language, and that's why Apple has maintained this. (If they wanted to restrict the use of Apple Pencil Pro only to the latest iPad models, they would have done so without excuses.)
Secondly, I believe that the decision to make the iPad thinner was not to boast about having the thinnest device, but rather to make it easier to hold for longer periods compared to its predecessors. Additionally, by making it thinner and lighter, they were able to make the Magic Keyboard much lighter as well.
These are my thoughts on this.
Is ipod nano not thinner?
The charging magnets cannot be moved to the “top-narrow” side because it would interfere with the cellular antenna and sound, as speakers grills are also located there. Cannot be moved to the “bottom-narrow” side because is where USB-C connections is. The correct place is where it is now, for better or worse.
We should see Final Cut 2, Final Cut Camera and the new Logic by June 10. The Dave Lee, Chris Hau and CineD M4 iPad videos have good info on Final Cut 2.
So which would you prefer, very slightly thinner, a feature that does literally NOTHING, or longer battery life?
Curious to know what laptop marques is using in all waves
For me, lighter is better on a tablet. Yes, if you use it in a keyboard case all the time, you may not notice, but those that use it as tablet and hold it in hand for long periods, the lighter the better, especially on the 13 inch. Less weight means it's less unwieldy in hand. Obviously, battery power is always nice to have, but it gets 10 hours (even better in most tests I have seen) which is more than enough for most use cases. Portable batteries can fill the gap for those people that are away from a charger and are using it for more than 10 hours.
Assuming you attach the keyboard to the iPad, there's only one place for the pencil - right on top. So I'd give them a pass for the compatibility issue here
Notice how the only reason to upgrade your iPad is the screen quality, the Air has a slightly better screen than the 10th gen regular iPad, and the Pros have OLED now
Other than that, nothing matters about iPads at all, you just want a way to read documents, an alternative to watchung stuff on your TV a nice way to draw things if you're an artist, and nothing more than that. And the current line up has been good for that for AGES at this point.
Apple Pencil Pro does not charge on the other side because it would be hard to grab it and put it down while on Magic Keyboard. Sides are also unusable (Thunderbolt on one side and a button on the other).
and they make it sound like the gen 2 pencil iPads just came out yesterday apple generally has at least 5ish years of supporting something they had 5 years of notch Face ID iPhones for example and we are probably going to have 5ish years of the island!!
Logitech Combo Touch cases also exist, which uses the other side to connect the detachable keyboard to the case. Telling your only brand partner that's willing to pay a huge sum of money to licence your pogo connectors "look, we decided to change how the Apple Pencil charges now on the new iPads. Your products are now useless" is a very bad move.
The magnet placement for the new pencil wouldn’t make sense to put on the other side or even on both sides. The magnets had to be redesigned with the new landscape camera in mind. So a new pencil with new magnet placement had to be made.
If you put the old magnets on the other side it’s inconsistent to have different magnets on each side. Folio case would not work, you’d have a pencil snapping to the bottom side of the iPad on the Magic Keyboard. Their approach had to be done the way it was because you don’t want to train your user base to snap an older designed pencil on the incorrect side and open yourself up for criticism that the pencil doesn’t work with the other accessories for the iPad.
Yes it happens to be convenient for Apple’s bottom line that new iPad means you have to re-buy new accessories(frustrating as an M2 owner with Magic Keyboard and Pencil), but the reasoning why it had to be that way is sound.
It doesn’t happen to be convenient, Apple chose it to be convenient. A billion dollar company could definitely have found a way to make those magnets work with the old pencil. Worse comes to worst, they could’ve made it slightly thicker to do so and fit an even bigger battery so it lasts for days on end. But nah “thin new ipad” is the slogan because they’re running out of ideas to innovate this obsoleting device unless it gets proper desktop apps and controls
It would be good to turn audio tracts into doulby atmos or turn standard videos into vr videos using vr
The new iPad Pro is amazing
Agree
He doesn’t rate it. But as a google employee ( CZcamsr ) I don’t think he can be to complementary about Apple products 😂
The Apple pencil on the short sides would block the speakers. The other option moving the pencil on the other long side is, that things like the keyboards, even that from logitech, wouldn't work as smooth as they are now. But yeah it is a step that M4 is a new standard, as MacBooks and macs will follow. It was predicted since 2020 that M3 and M4 will be close I remember
What is that I'm furious about is Apple gatekeeping the 120 Hz screens on pro models
Stem splitting apps has been out for a while like Moises app. Now Logic has it integrated which is good but not nothing new. The Moises app separated the stems well.
Better? It's also pricey for the full res version.
Noone still know what new holes in new ipad do? What it received instead of wide-angle camera?
I can see these guys being intimidated for having you on the podcast hahaha, way to go Marques
Samgsung had a 14.6” tablet that can run circles around this ipad M4.
Why did they move the camera (acknowledging that most people use the device in landscape) but not rotate the Apple logo?!
I’m doing just fine on my iPad 10th generation base model. I don’t have any lag any freezes. My screen is great. I have Apple Pencil. I have a magic keyboard and cellular connectivity. All I do is use this when my MacBook becomes too tedious I wanna lay in awkward positions and watch CZcams in stream my movie apps. There’s absolutely no reason for a person who has a 10th generation to get this. You might as well go by MacBook at that point and keep your 10th. Then they keep talking about the camera being centered but the front facing camera was already centered.
The only iPad I am waiting and was waiting for was the mini,
Need some big ram tests. 8 vs 16gb difference
Why show a clip of the iPad Air ?? At 2.53
Maybe to compare 🤷♂️
Wait brownlee went to Colombia
Can we also point out that the iPad Pro 11 (M4) doesn’t fit in any protective cases from the previous generation? 🤷🏾♂️
I have an IPad 9 the 400 Euros model, I use it for CZcams, Netflix, Emails and some other basic stuff, it works just fine to be honest, I think for the "casual user who just wants a bigger screen to watch something or send an email it is more than enough.
Same here
if you are a "casual user who just wants a bigger screen to watch something or send an email it is more than enough" then the ipad pro is definitely not for you
10:23 "better on the plane with a window open."
That is such a manufactured complaint; if you're looking at the iPad, you're not looking out the window, if you need light for papers, or an un-backlit keyboard, there's an overhead light. What about: at a busy coffee shop?
Just a commit... I am still rocking my iPad gen3 but it so old, I have ordered the new iPad Pro. It will be a big upgrade for me personally. =)
Although it sounded like Apple invented or used the technology first, Tandem OLED was already used on a cellphone called "Honor Magic6 RSR" in March, and Apple just took the credit.
Marques looks good in baby blue.
8GB or 16GB Ram for iPad Pro?
I’ll be using my iPad for surfing web, emails, scrolling Facebook/Twitter and Netflix. I also want to be prepared for iPadOS 18 AI features.
Please help me decide - 8GB or 16GB ram?
Do you need the Pro model? An Air would handle your tasks fine.
Get the damn $350 iPad lmfao
And perhaps wait to see what AI features they actually announce next month. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I'm guessing Apple "could" have added multiple charging points on the new pencil Pro to work with both new and old IPads.
It's not 2 mm thinner not even close. Also how thin was the iphone 6 tho
2:10 That's an ambient light sensor
They didn’t move the pencil to the short side because there’s something there called SPEAKERS that would be blocked. Man …..this dudes a multimillionaire too
Next topic tslk about sonos app and sonos ace.
So does that mean mini LED is a dead end?
I’m watching this on my iPad m4 😂
I don’t know anyone who used the ultra wide on the iPad Pro. There probably was someone, but this is a scanner and at a push emergency photo device.
Why is there an iPad, iPad Air choice still around? Just make iPad, iPad pro and iPad mini.
I bought the M1 Pro with plans to get into photo editing and digital art. Instead i put over 2000 hours into Minecraft 😂
guys look at this new ipad byeee
It's not lighter or thinnerfor nothing. People who want a laptop replacement want something thin and light. It's basically as thin as the MBA closed and weighs almost exactly as much, whereas last model's was heavier and bigger. That's what I think anyway
The 11 inch air is heavier that the 11 inch pro
It needs that third party developer, programmer pro app for it .
What’s your take on AI in 5 years ?
How would it change phones, pads and smart watches?
It's true name should be iPad Luxury
it’s so thin, that I might actually bend it while : Keep it in my back pack
Marques keeps calling the M1 iPad pro old and i'm still using an iPad Air 2 😂
"we changed the location of the magnets so you CANT use the pro pencil on the older ipads AND cant use the non-pro pencil on the new ipad; buy the new one"
"we also changed the dimensions of the whole ipad just enough so older keyboards etc wont work; buy the new one"
"oh and while we're being generous...here have a dogwater quality 20w charging brick with your $3,000 device; buy another new one"
when will ppl realize apple hates its customers?
Man this iPad Pro was a huge step up they should be more excited
Nerds gonna nerd
They are pretty cringe nitpicking this great device. The gay one when he bitched „no circle is the same size“ 😂
Tech is at pinnacle. Name one piece of tech that’s actually new??? Everything will just be a slight improvement from the last model. From this point on it’s going to be what the software engineers can come up with
I mean the ai pin was new, it was just crap
He wants iPad Mac iOS. That’s why he is not the boss of a multi billion dollar corporation. He is a raving capitalist but seems unable to grasp why Apple won’t tank there own products
I’m sticking with my 12.9 m2 pro! It is the right thickness for me, I don’t like the thin flimsy look….
1080P guys ??? ,I really can't watch this wish I could
what's with the weird/silly end clips? I still don't get them 🤷🏻♂
These guys need sponsors …
Can Ellis just make his own podcast and go off on everything please.
Great video. This is the reality of "form over function". The aesthetic and visual appeal of a the iPad Pro design is given priority over its practical purpose and functionality. No Apps can take advantage of the powerful CPU. So performance is not really a factor? Just the same iPad just "thinner" with a "new`'pencil. Running the same Apps, for a higher price! Good luck Apple!
Tell us about Colombia
Marques, keep pushing this narrative. Hopefully the influence will push apple to give a docked version of MacOS or something.
Why would they listen to a CZcamsr. 😂
With the money Brownlee has, why is just now upgrading? M1 iPad Pro? Crazy.
The OLED screen is actually a substantial upgrade. I hated the blooming the iPad 12.9 with mini LED had, it made some parts of movies and tv shows almost unwatchable as it would almost look blotchy and flickering when scenes would happen with dark backgrounds. I’m happy with the upgrade, yes it’s an over powered iPad that runs iOS, so what. Not everyone wants Mac OS. I enjoy iPad os, it’s smooth and easy to multitask when I need to.
It is. Multi millionaires are hard to impress 😂
I stay with my Ipad Pro M2
If your a gamer and want the highest specs and the oled is something you want than it’s so worth it. Trust me. I still have my m1 but the m4 is nutty. Shits on the m1 in performance on games
1/20 of an inch is incorrect though, it is more like 1/12 of an inch.
Type c Apple Pencil can use for both old and new iPad Air,why the apple pencil can’t do…..
Marques, you are not the demographic for this device hate to break it to you. A "pro" iPad Pro user is climbing telephone poles needing statistics, a doctor needing 3d scans in the field right next to their patient during surgery, a musician who needs a touch based os to manipulate sound, or a calligraphy artist who needs tilt, barrel roll and hover to see exactly where their line will be before they write it and can get the exact thickness and fine lines. 3D modeling, animation, the list goes on... Anyone that requires an intimate touch based OS. This, is Apples target demographic. They made it thinner for THESE pro users. You my friend would fall under the category of a "pro" traditional computer user, where keyboard shortcuts, complex plug ins and tandem software running, coding, etc. anything designed for a keyboard and mouse based input basically. These are traditional ways we all know of doing work and it's okay to have leaned these ways very efficiently and fast and effective. But there's a touch based way of learning these tasks as well. yes it may not be as efficient (yet) but 99% of the time its just as effective, and you will get more efficient as time goes on. And I get it, It's hard to break habits and learning new software and creating new workflows but it' is possible. It's like going from a car to an electric motorcycle; little bit of a learning curve, and may I say dedication and a little talent?. But it's also possible to use these two devices together in tandem. For example, most the time my iPad pro is on a stand next to my mac and I use it as a sidekick and portable computer when I'm not at my desk. I can start making music on my iPad in logic and then finish mixing and mastering on my mac. I also work with designs and 3d modeling and i use my iPad pro solely for those projects. I use my mac for certain "pro" things and my iPad for OTHER "pro" things. And that's fine with me, I'm not too sure why everyone wants an all in one. I would personally hate doing any type of huge file management project, or multi frame video editing, or really anything that requires multiple screens or a larger screen on an iPad. It just comes down to thinking what the best case scenario for these devices are, and if your workflow falls under those categories or not.
This was said perfectly!!
Hear,hear!
He’s mad that Apple won’t allow Mac iOS on an iPad. They will eventually . But it will be an Apple pro extra and it will cost 5 thousand dollars for the base model. Multi millionaire Google employees (CZcamsrs) would be just fine with that price point. Tech that only they can afford.
Just because Apple calls some of their hardware "Pro", doesn't make the hardware for professionals.
All the points made by OP, are either total overkill with an Ipad Pro or underwhelmingly unsuitable for the job.
A computer, large monitor, and a Wacom blow the iPad Pro away for truly Pro design, modeling. iPad Pro can’t change the fact it’s only 13” max, has limited software, and a slippery screen (w/o paper like). It’s nice for mobility and lighter work. It would be like somebody talking about how good the gaming is on an iPad. It simply cannot compare to a Windows desktop or console hooked up to a large screen
What do they need a lidar sensor for? I'd much prefer 2 different FOV's.
Just get the cheapest ipad imaginable.
Thinner than the iPods they produced previously?
I don't think if they put the pencil on the side you would be happy with that
Apple removes stickers to save waste also Apple makes people buy new accessories with every new products.
Jesus is it a fingerprint magnet though..more so than my MacBook it seems.
Oh no marques is a dts watcher 😭😭
With all that 🔋 💪 processing power, it is sad that it is being used for half its potential. When you sue the Samsung Dex, you get the ability to multitask to a whole different level. You can have multiple apps running simultaneously without minimizing one.
Buggy at some point though.
Samsung Dex still runs Android apps which hardly taxes the processor. Wish Samsung Dex can emulate Windows.
“Years for the M1”. HAHAHA. I am still using my IPad Pro 11 inch 2020 model that I got on launch over 4 years ago. So the M1 isn’t that old ….
why are they even making iOS and A series iPhone chips if they can fit that kind of power into a chip the size of the M series chips and an OS that basically mimics iOS/MacOS across all of Apples devices? For that Matter why arent they all just running one uniform OS that just does updates specifically for each device when a new update goes live over the air? Genuniely curious so looking for the tech heads in the comments who are smarter than me and can help provide insight into techincal/hardware constraints beyond things that are solvable through engineering/ingenuity (that this company literally rode to a trillion dollar valuation) because I just don't get why they don't make it one cohesive OS or why they don't slap an M4 chip into the next iPhone and call it a day on questioning which phone has the best specs.