The situation hasn't changed. We still have this hostage situation going on. Life sentence usually means 20 years or so. Our hopes are that he'll see his family again before Christmas 2027.
@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 Still do that at Santa Pod. It's cooler this weekend, so I'll be on the startline in LONG flamable trousers and a flamable hat to keep me warm. Hope you are OK with that. H&S gone mad in F1.
I wish we had full access to radio communications during this time. Would have loved to hear what both Alonso and Hamilton had to say about all the stuff that was going back and forth during this qualifying.
I think the team didn't release audio and that's what the penalty was for. I bet there was some crazy shit going on, and Alonso was sick of taking it. Otherwise it would have just been too risky, to wait and maybe miss the line himself.
Alonso said that he left when they gave him the OK over the radio, to avoid traffic on the track. He also commented in a Spanish media that he himself thought that he would not have time to do one last lap. It must be remembered that Alonso crossed the finish line with 0.6 seconds left to finish Q3.
I‘ve been there. My first F1 race in person. Two things I remember vividly: 1. F1 cars screamed like demons back then 2. no one on the grand stand really knew what was going on in that pit stop. Pure confusion everywhere. This was before smartphones and livetickers were available to everyone.
Just to add some context for the peps who weren’t around. Every other race they would take turns on who went out first. This was during the refueling which made qualifying really damn cool, you never knew how much fuel other peps would carry. You qualified with fuel for the first stint of the race. On this occasion LH was supposed to qualify after FA, meaning FA would run his Q3 lap at the end of Q3. Due to fuel, track wearing in this gave the last person to qualify a little extra time. At the beginning of Q3 LH left the garage BEFORE FA and parked his car at the end of the pits, the lights were still Red. So FA pulls his car right next to LH cuz it was FA turn NOT LH. That is why FA held position in the pits and LH didn’t have time for another lap. 😂
What Alonso did was childish and pathetic. Because a rookie has been beating you all season and you can't take it your going to impede him just to beat him. Wow act your fucking age Alonso.
Complete nonsense, Hamilton went out when his team let him out. Alonso was slow to get out and was initially behind kimi as well. Hamilton did nothing wrong in this instance. Mostly everything you said about the qualifying process is bunk.
And whatever side of the garage you choose, I think we all agree this is still by far the best F1 session since... well, since then. Not to mention properly sized cars.
Even in 2007, Kimi was the better driver. He won the most. He was the fastest. He made the lesser mistakes. He did not have the better car. Kimi is a true champion.
It didnt costed him anything, the team was working already against him. Its clear they put him used hard tyres to not make a good enough time. hence why the discussion and lost time happened afterwards. The game was rigged from the start, they got him on mclaren just to control him. Thing is they faced someone who didnt bow down.
Someone here commented Dennis took the trainer as a hostage, which you can see on the video. I think he is still being held, but I have got no means to verify this. If so, he must have heart issues now for sure.
Both ego’s learned a lesson that year. Never underestimate or bully a rookie and don’t demand things in the team behind a champions back. Someone else will eventually say ”thank you very much” and drive off into the sunset with the title.
Apparently, ever since the different fuel strategies of the two cars played its part in causing turmoil between McLarens drivers and the team at Monaco, a policy of equal fuelling has been adopted. This was supposed to be the solution to tensions arising from two deeply competitive drivers fighting each other for the world championship, both hyper-sensitive to any perceived disadvantage against the other. But to make it truly equal requires very specific choreographing during the fuel burn-off phase of final qualifying, so that each driver completes the maximum number of burn-off laps in the time available before they bolt on their sets of new tyres and go for it, the car behind has to lap slower than the car in front in order to build up the necessary gap required when they stop, so the first car can be serviced and sent on its way before the second one arrives. This is necessary so that they are not running too close to each other when they are doing their qualifying runs, as this would disadvantage the guy behind because of the aerodynamic turbulence of the guy in front, but the guy running the burn-off laps slower will use less fuel because he can do his target lap time by running fewer revs. So to keep things equal, the team take this into consideration. The guy running ahead in the burn-off is given enough extra fuel so that by the time they come to do their qualifying runs they weigh the same or as near as its possible to make it. At Hungary it was Alonsos turn to be the guy in front and so he was fuelled slightly heavier. But it was the slightly lighter car of Hamilton that got down to the end of the pit lane first. Hamilton was reminded he should move aside for Alonso once out on the track. But he said ‘no.’… Starting with a lighter fuel load and running a fast pace, he was guaranteed to have a lighter car by the time they each did their qualifying laps. It was a bit disingenuous, against what hed been asked to do by the team, and hed tricked himself an advantage. He was fighting this guy for the world championship and the team would just have to lump it. Alonso, of course, was furious. Instantly realising hed been had, he instead switched his focus not to pole position which now seemed unwinnable but to trying to beat Hamilton on race strategy instead. He deliberately did his fuel burn laps very slowly and economically. Having started slightly heavier and now having used less fuel too, he would maybe be able to save enough to run an extra lap up to the first pit stops. This might be enough to overcome the advantage of the pole that Lewis looked likely to get. Because the originally intended order at the end of the burn-off had been Alonso-Hamilton, Alonsos pre-assigned tyres had been stacked ahead of Hamiltons and so Alonso was brought in a lap earlier than planned so that the tyres didnt need to be moved around. With Hamilton continuing to do his original allocation of laps, this put Alonso ahead of Hamilton in the pits. At the first stop there was a delay, bringing Hamilton closer than ideal to Alonso. They each then did their first flat-out Q3 qualifying laps and each returned for their final tyre change. Alonso was held for 20 seconds as the team found him the ideal gap in the traffic. The lollipop was lifted and Alonso was free to go. But, seeing Hamilton stacked behind him in his mirrors, he realised a golden opportunity for revenge had fallen into his lap. He knew how long he needed for an out-lap to arrive at the start/finish line to begin his flying lap just before the session ended and he knew how many seconds of the session were left because he has a display showing that on his steering wheel. So he waited an extra 10s, just long enough to ensure hed still get there in time but Lewis wouldnt. The rest is history.
You can notice that Damon Hill actually finds it hard to hide his admiration for that Alonso gambit. And it's true, you have to to admire the sang-froid and tenacity to pull that off in the middle of Q3 because he still had to be quicker in that final lap so he put massive pressure on himself there. Gotta respect Alonso, but wouldn't you hate it to have him as your teammate.😂
07 was one of the best seasons,imo the two best drivers ever as teammates racing for Mclaren, great v8s not quite the glorious v10s from years prior, stacked grid with so many champs & future world champs,peak F1
@@davidg.2190Pathetic excuse and incredibly unprofessional and childish from Alonso. Go do your lap and allow your teammate to do the same thing. Best man wins at the end of the day. Alonso sabotaged his own chances of winning the world championship. Karma is a bitch eh?……
@@al1356 Tried to cheat? 😅 Hamilton was the one who tried to screw Alonso by not following the team procedure. There was a lot going on there.. Was Alonso given old tyres? I also read on RaceFans that Ron was telling Alonso to hold up Hamilton. And then he only got the penalty because McLaren wouldn't release the audio of what was said, probably because it would've amounted to team orders, which weren't allowed at the time.. 🤔 Either way, he got screwed there, and it cost him his 3rd title..
He got a penalty for this, was moved back 5 places in the grid for the start, and came 4th in the race. Hamilton moved up to poll position and won the race. Alonso screwed himself. He also screwed the team, which were prevented getting constructor points over the incident (a penalty for the team pretending it wasn't Alonso's choice to stay longer in the pits). So the team got punished trying to keep Alonso out of trouble. This marked the beginning of the end for Alonso and Mclaren. The pit stall was a disastrous decision. And bad sportsmanship.
Probably in the next major design shift, when Merc can again outspend everyone to the tune of 800 million dollars and hide it in their books somewhere.
Without Alonso put up his own team (McLaren) with spygate... That tells me, he can't beat on track Hamilton, he is tried it on the other way, he failed. And then ruined his own future, not winning any championship in F1 again.
Well he would have been. He would have qualified at worst 2nd and most likely would have finished 1st or 2nd, instead of 4th. An extra 3 points would have won him the championship. A lot of ifs and buts in 2007, but this is a big one.
I met both Alonso and Hamilton during this time whilst doing a promo for the Mercedes Black series at MB World Woking, Alonso was charming as was Hakkinen, Hamilton proved on more than one occasion what an ego maniac he was. He's the most important thing in his world.
Did you fr 😀😀??that's fantastic, I don't why people say Alonso is toxic, many in paddock talks more nice of him, even young drivers hang out with more. (😁☝️padel)
I think a lot of people in this comment section dont realize there was more to this situation. I think many just think he is trying to steal a pole, but this was more about standing up for himself.
McLaren hired the defending world champion only to turn against him Idiotic team management, if you weren’t going to back Alonso, WHY HIRE HIM I don’t even like Alonso but fucking hell that annoys me It would be like if McLaren signed fucking Verstappen only to piss him off and give Piastri preferential treatment. Makes no sense 🤦🏻♂️
The video doesn´t explain why Alonso felt he had to do it. Why did they put old used tires on his car and new ones were set for Hamilton? He was entitelled to new tires aswell but Ron Dennis wanted Hamilton in front at any cost. Talk about letting racers race.
The tires of this era were quite different than today. Depending on the track, tires with a wear of 3 or 4 laps were quicker than brand new tires. In fact, in some races they even decided not to change tires because they thought a brand new set would make the car slower. In the race where Hamilton threw away his 2007 championship, he decided not to change his tires at the first stop. This decision caused him the race - and at the end the championship as well.
@@Darude453 not true.the brand new set on the previous attempt was what gave Hamilton the best lap when the pole had been set by alonso earlier. Also on new tires. Besides,it is known that at the time Alonso explained that he did what he did because he was expecting a new set that they never gave him in two pit changes. And he realised ( and it is notiçable in this same video ) that he realises tgey are preparing a new set for hamilton that he thought were fir him. If you watch closelly you will see the team member gesturing to him tbose were not for him. Tbats when he realises hamilton is behind him and knows he is being screwed over. Another thing you ca see in this same video is when the reporters tell the audience tbere is nothing on the regulations that says he cannot do that. Its a team thing. But Ron Dennis demmanded Eclestone that Alonso should be punished. Thats all known fact
You’ve ,issued the plot here completely.. qualifying sessions in 2007 so,times meant within a team could have 3 runs and one could have 2.. the team rotated this advantage and Hamilton ignored the rotation the previous event.. Alonso was in revenge mode
@@nikoherkules BS!!! FA’s Fizzeo counted the time back to FA. Do you think they pulled that out of their arse in the middle of a Q3 stop??? NO, LH was a right prick when he was young. I hated him for a while. But know LH, FA have about the best race craft including MS. How many times did MS crash or park his car on the track during qualifying!?! FA wiped the floor with MS!!!
Ron Dennis was a charlatan and an idiot, and threw away a legitimate championship with his clueless management Hire the defending champion and then play mind games with him? The disrespect was unreal Not like they’d stay successful, they would get ONE more, and just barely sneak it over the line
Few know that that day Mclaren put the harder tire on Alonso's car to put Hamilton in advantage on Ron Dennis' request. Fernando raced against his own team that year
@@LewytheflyBut somehow he burned bridges at every possible occasion throughout his F1 career, not just at McLaren. (Aston being an exception - perhaps he realized his days in F1 are slowly coming to an end)
I don’t remember where I read this but someone did some math and if Alonso hadn’t blocked Hamilton and gotten a penalty. And the rest of the season went how it did in the history books. Alonso more than likely would’ve been a 3 time champion winning by a couple points to Kimi.
@@Hamilton8timeChampion your user name shows your immediate bias which means I already know how you feel about Alonso. I don’t care about this conversation brodie
@@enigmatic13465 alonso my opinion of him is a race by race basis for example i like him one race and want to punch him next but he is a legend of F1 and someone of i have respect for but in this instance he was being a child
Hahaha Alonso in GOAT mode, against Hamilton, Hamilton Crew, McLaren (the whole team), maFIA and british world! Best driver ever (too bad the fact he’s spanish, the eternal enemy of Britain 😂)
You know what is the Spanish wet dream? If McLaren retained De La Rosa for 2007 alongside Alonso Alonso would have won 2 titles in a row at McLaren, that would have been insane
This should never have been penalized as harshly as it was, moreso when in 21 Hamilton did the same thing ON THE CIRCUIT to hold up Max. This was clever, and there was no rule about sitting in the box at the time. Just as with the whole season, Ron Dennis made this worse than it was.
Yeah, Ron Dennis really messed up an easy WDC for Fernando in 2007. He got some revenge in 2008 but this should have been a much better decade in McLaren F1 history
Still dont know why he didnt just stall the car? Prost proved in '93 how easy it is to do. A lot harder to prove he stalled intentionally rather than just sitting there.
The fact that the back-to-back reigning champion of Formula 1 felt the need to sabotage his rookie teammate this way tells you just how scared of Hamilton Alonso has been since Day 1.
The fact that Lewis Hamilton and the team felt the need to sabotage the back-to-back reigning champion of Formula 1 that led up to this in this way tells you just how fraudulent the career of Lewis Hamilton has been since Day 1.
If ever there was a reason why Alonso will never get a Mercedes seat, that was it. A flaw in his personality which will always be there. Teams need team players and that would never impress toto.
The only time in the history of F1 that a team has prostested against their own driver. The FIA would not have got involved unless Ron Dennis had demanded his own driver was investigated and penalised... this didn't just cost Alonso the world championship, it also cost McLaren a drivers world championship in a year where they had been screwed over by the FIA due to spygate, which was never worth the biggest sporting penalty in history... so they cost themselves salvaging something from 2007 too.
Well I can also ask, what would you do if your car is handicapped by your own team for the final session and your teammate has fresh tyres on? It's difficult having a toxic team and a parcial boss. No blame for the drivers. It's all on the team and especially Ron
Yup. Fernando should have easily won the 2007 title. Hamilton performed incredibly BUT McLaren were really doing Alonso dirty. When they saw that Hamilton was close enough to Alonso the team tried everything to make the most sensational press piece ever - a British rookie winning the world championship in a British team. Hamilton is the faster driver, but Alonso is the better racer and in world championships that's what it comes down to. We're very lucky to have these two still on the grid
Alonso tied hamilton by going next to kimi in brazil,after having fought his own team and partial boss from race one.and even during pitblock u can see alonso is fitted used tyres then hamilton is given fresh tryres.botched strategy,1 mechanical failure, out of regulation penalty in hungary due to mclaren protesting against their own driver, only time in history its ever happened,to dish their own driver out w a penalty that’s not even in the rulebook. Alonso is second to none,lewis no doubt did a great debut season but he lacked pace in some circuits,made mistakes,all thewhile having preferential treatment since 1st round and the team openly admitting fighting against the other driver to the world.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with that in terms of the rules, I think drivers are not obligated to move out of the way unless the car behind is on a lap. Considering they were both in the pits, I think that, while a dick move, it’s part of racing, very much like how you aggressively defend against rivals and get the elbows out to squeeze them off the track. Nothing wrong by the rules, just competition and rivalry.
This was a terrible situation for McLaren. It was instigated by Lewis, refusing to yield to Fernando at the start of qualifying (part of a convoluted system in which the team alternates who heads out of the pits first from race-to-race), it was supposed to be Fernando ahead of Lewis in Q1 Hungary. By Q3, Alonso still obviously hacked-off blocks Hamilton in the pits, as we saw. To make matters worse, late after quali had finished, Anthony Hamilton (Lewis' dad) went to the stewards and lobbied them to penalise Alonso - which they did. And if all that wasn't enough, the following morning Alonso allegedly threatened both Dennis & Whitmarsh that if they didn't short fuel Lewis for the race as a penalty, he would go to the FIA and expose the Ferrari documentation they had acquired from Nigel Stepney. It was a gruesome situation to which both the Hamilton's and Alonso behaved appallingly. I do not look back at this with fondness.
during the pitstop you can actually notice that Alonso was put on used hard tyres for last qualy lap ( I renember there was even a video with team radio where Alonso asked team why they put him on hard tyres, but there were no response from mclaren) and you can see reaction from Ron Dennis at the end of qualy, despite having 1-2 at qualy he was unhappy because his favourite black son was not on pole. Even Ron Dennis himself said at one interview few years later that he made a mistake for not supporting Alonso in 2007
@@ebony5076well that is not what lewis think ....so we will stick to his own words . Alonso . Equal cars and engines . Lewis ....i dont think that is a good idea ...does it ring a bell
One thing can’t be denied … Alonso got beaten by a rookie doesn’t matter what his legion of fans say British team favoured a British driver lol 😂 he got beaten by a rookie there’s no denying that
Absolutely. Many times since has shown incredible intelligence but often at someone's expense! He's never tried to hurt anyone that I can remember....you can't say that about Max and Lewis.
Balls of steel? More like brains of sh1t. This stunt, and the well deserved penalty, cost him the world drivers championship that year. If he wasn’t such a coward and too afraid to fight fair with a rookie, he’d have been far better off.
@@WipeoutFPV what is dirty? Is that against the regulations? That was an internal issue, same as Lulu not complying with internal agreement to take turns for the extra lap. Now wasn't that dirty. What was outrageous was that stupid, baseless and unprecedented penalty.
This is the greatest example of how not to run an F1 Team. Ron had learned nothing from the Prost Senna disaster. Total incompetence on his part. Alonso had aready sensed that something was not right with the management of the team.The pit stop was the proof of what was going on. Ron was now playing favorites again so Alonso decided he had to take things into his own hands and the rest is history. As for the grid penalty , that was total BS, no rules had been broken on the pits stop and it was only given after Ron went balistic on Bernie. This decission in a court of law would have been concidered results fixing and another huge black eye for the sport that was aready dealing with spygate. In the end With the best car and 2 of the best drivers on the planet Ron won nothing that year. Spygate took the constructor cup away and his destructive handling of the drivers cost him the Drivers title. A just reward for his shear incompetence and The fteam had only 1 good year left in it the next season. Ron was finished after that.
And to think this was nearly 17 years ago and both drivers are still on the grid 🤯
it's almost as if this is their main job, isn't it?
@@itskittyme 99% of F1 drivers don't last 17 years. It's very rare to be still at the top for that long.
@@isaacm2374we were witnessing history
Ron Dennis instantly took Alonso's trainer hostage lmfao
Funniest bit in F1 history
This came back to bit McLaren costing them the driver championship when they should of played it safe.with Lewis Hamilton in 2007
He's a member of the Bocchicchio Family
The situation hasn't changed. We still have this hostage situation going on. Life sentence usually means 20 years or so. Our hopes are that he'll see his family again before Christmas 2027.
Bruh@@kingkreole9121
So crazy seeing the pit crew without helmets.
Yeah they used to taking it a bit easy on qualifying weekends and complete gear on Sundays
I can still remember when they wore t-shirts and shorts !
@@SirReginaldBlomfield1234 Still do that at Santa Pod. It's cooler this weekend, so I'll be on the startline in LONG flamable trousers and a flamable hat to keep me warm. Hope you are OK with that. H&S gone mad in F1.
I wish we had full access to radio communications during this time. Would have loved to hear what both Alonso and Hamilton had to say about all the stuff that was going back and forth during this qualifying.
I’ve wanted to watch races with team audio. What do I search to listen/watch those videos?
I think the team didn't release audio and that's what the penalty was for.
I bet there was some crazy shit going on, and Alonso was sick of taking it. Otherwise it would have just been too risky, to wait and maybe miss the line himself.
@@Schnapsbrennor
Nobody waved Alonso on, he was told to wait just like the commentators said.
Alonso said that he left when they gave him the OK over the radio, to avoid traffic on the track. He also commented in a Spanish media that he himself thought that he would not have time to do one last lap. It must be remembered that Alonso crossed the finish line with 0.6 seconds left to finish Q3.
I‘ve been there. My first F1 race in person. Two things I remember vividly: 1. F1 cars screamed like demons back then
2. no one on the grand stand really knew what was going on in that pit stop. Pure confusion everywhere. This was before smartphones and livetickers were available to everyone.
Alonso started 6th in that race. They gave him a 5 place grid penalty for that!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 su mismo equipo lo denunció y la MAFIA se sacó una penalización de la nada para dar ventaja al negrito como siempre.
@@davidg.2190he cheated and you say it's about race. That's about right.
Doesn't matter, Hambo has to take it on the chi. Alonso is awesome.
@@davidg.2190spaniards being racist lmfao
@@user-og6rw8ek2cyeh that’s why he’s not won a WDC in 20 years lmfao
"DIVE IN, TED! I WOULD!"
Peer pressure 😂😂
Just dive in, Ted. Go on, GET IN THERE!
That guy is also still walking around there with his headphones 17 years later, no wonder he turned sour.
I miss this F1..
Just to add some context for the peps who weren’t around.
Every other race they would take turns on who went out first.
This was during the refueling which made qualifying really damn cool, you never knew how much fuel other peps would carry.
You qualified with fuel for the first stint of the race.
On this occasion LH was supposed to qualify after FA, meaning FA would run his Q3 lap at the end of Q3.
Due to fuel, track wearing in this gave the last person to qualify a little extra time.
At the beginning of Q3 LH left the garage BEFORE FA and parked his car at the end of the pits, the lights were still Red.
So FA pulls his car right next to LH cuz it was FA turn NOT LH.
That is why FA held position in the pits and LH didn’t have time for another lap. 😂
@JohnDoe-lb4nc exactly correct Lewis did the dirty first and Alonso showed him some manners
What Alonso did was childish and pathetic. Because a rookie has been beating you all season and you can't take it your going to impede him just to beat him. Wow act your fucking age Alonso.
Complete nonsense, Hamilton went out when his team let him out. Alonso was slow to get out and was initially behind kimi as well. Hamilton did nothing wrong in this instance.
Mostly everything you said about the qualifying process is bunk.
Doesn't meah Alonso can act like a child.
@@byanymeansnecessary9329
Says You, lol! Got it on video if you need a refresher!!!
One of the greatest f1 seasons. It had everything.
It was worth watching just to hear the cars engines again.
seriously
Those were the days...
Yea, instead of the Barbie cars and rules they have now.
It literally seems like they are going 10 times faster because of the sound
And whatever side of the garage you choose, I think we all agree this is still by far the best F1 session since... well, since then. Not to mention properly sized cars.
The longest things in F1 history: Canada 2011 and this pitstop ... ;-)
Well, there's Bottas' pit stop in Monaco. Legend has it he's still there, waiting for his wheel nut to come off.
Don’t forget Spa 2021 😅.
Hamilton still won the race anyway, Alonso 4th.
@@kylehinton5640the ONE race I hyped up to my wife... and convinced her to watch with me... sigh!
@@andyelliott8027 because F1 sanctioned Alonso.
Alonso sitting there going...
Uno, dos, tres, quatro, cinqo... Vamos! 😂
He was watching Hamilton’s day go by.
So funny. So accurate. ALO above all has balls bigger than any* driver today.
(* excluding most rally drivers.)
Uno dos tres, lets never win another championship again 😂
A real Rat act yeah ?
The penalty probably cost him the championship and beating Hamilton outright. But Kimi was a deserving winner, especially after 2003 and 2005.
Even in 2007, Kimi was the better driver. He won the most. He was the fastest. He made the lesser mistakes. He did not have the better car. Kimi is a true champion.
It didnt costed him anything, the team was working already against him. Its clear they put him used hard tyres to not make a good enough time. hence why the discussion and lost time happened afterwards.
The game was rigged from the start, they got him on mclaren just to control him. Thing is they faced someone who didnt bow down.
@@LtCommanderTato team gave brand new hard tires to Alonso that's how he improved lap time
@@burakkiremit1412 used
Those who think alonso was superior should go get a F1 tv yearly pass and watch the complete 2007 season ..
Ron doing the ol’ Bane “Do you feel in charge?”
Bet the trainers heart rate went through the roof whereas he would advise Alonso to control the heart rate...
Someone here commented Dennis took the trainer as a hostage, which you can see on the video. I think he is still being held, but I have got no means to verify this. If so, he must have heart issues now for sure.
He probably saw his life flash before his eyes. I would not want Ron Dennis pissed at me, even if I'm just the interpreter.
Both ego’s learned a lesson that year. Never underestimate or bully a rookie and don’t demand things in the team behind a champions back. Someone else will eventually say ”thank you very much” and drive off into the sunset with the title.
Bwoah…
@@islaptyadadsbooty : you DID read that I blamed them both , right ? I don’t have any favourite or hate anyone. But you’re clearly a Lu-lu fanboy.
@@islaptyadadsbooty : And you are clearly his fan-boy if you think they didn’t.
@@raggeragnaryou’re the idiot here. Bwoah is Kimi’s favorite word so he meant Kimi was the one to drive off into the sunset with the title
@@islaptyadadsbooty : oh , did I hit a nerve , since you deleted your comments ?
Apparently, ever since the different fuel strategies of the two cars played its part in causing turmoil between McLarens drivers and the team at Monaco, a policy of equal fuelling has been adopted.
This was supposed to be the solution to tensions arising from two deeply competitive drivers fighting each other for the world championship, both hyper-sensitive to any perceived disadvantage against the other.
But to make it truly equal requires very specific choreographing during the fuel burn-off phase of final qualifying, so that each driver completes the maximum number of burn-off laps in the time available before they bolt on their sets of new tyres and go for it, the car behind has to lap slower than the car in front in order to build up the necessary gap required when they stop, so the first car can be serviced and sent on its way before the second one arrives.
This is necessary so that they are not running too close to each other when they are doing their qualifying runs, as this would disadvantage the guy behind because of the aerodynamic turbulence of the guy in front, but the guy running the burn-off laps slower will use less fuel because he can do his target lap time by running fewer revs. So to keep things equal, the team take this into consideration. The guy running ahead in the burn-off is given enough extra fuel so that by the time they come to do their qualifying runs they weigh the same or as near as its possible to make it. At Hungary it was Alonsos turn to be the guy in front and so he was fuelled slightly heavier. But it was the slightly lighter car of Hamilton that got down to the end of the pit lane first.
Hamilton was reminded he should move aside for Alonso once out on the track. But he said ‘no.’…
Starting with a lighter fuel load and running a fast pace, he was guaranteed to have a lighter car by the time they each did their qualifying laps.
It was a bit disingenuous, against what hed been asked to do by the team, and hed tricked himself an advantage. He was fighting this guy for the world championship and the team would just have to lump it.
Alonso, of course, was furious. Instantly realising hed been had, he instead switched his focus not to pole position which now seemed unwinnable but to trying to beat Hamilton on race strategy instead. He deliberately did his fuel burn laps very slowly and economically.
Having started slightly heavier and now having used less fuel too, he would maybe be able to save enough to run an extra lap up to the first pit stops. This might be enough to overcome the advantage of the pole that Lewis looked likely to get.
Because the originally intended order at the end of the burn-off had been Alonso-Hamilton, Alonsos pre-assigned tyres had been stacked ahead of Hamiltons and so Alonso was brought in a lap earlier than planned so that the tyres didnt need to be moved around.
With Hamilton continuing to do his original allocation of laps, this put Alonso ahead of Hamilton in the pits. At the first stop there was a delay, bringing Hamilton closer than ideal to Alonso.
They each then did their first flat-out Q3 qualifying laps and each returned for their final tyre change. Alonso was held for 20 seconds as the team found him the ideal gap in the traffic. The lollipop was lifted and Alonso was free to go.
But, seeing Hamilton stacked behind him in his mirrors, he realised a golden opportunity for revenge had fallen into his lap.
He knew how long he needed for an out-lap to arrive at the start/finish line to begin his flying lap just before the session ended and he knew how many seconds of the session were left because he has a display showing that on his steering wheel.
So he waited an extra 10s, just long enough to ensure hed still get there in time but Lewis wouldnt. The rest is history.
Good to see again! Remember watching it live 🎉
Kimi: lmao 🤣
More likely: Bwoaah…
Raikkonen laughing with the in-fighting haha
You can notice that Damon Hill actually finds it hard to hide his admiration for that Alonso gambit. And it's true, you have to to admire the sang-froid and tenacity to pull that off in the middle of Q3 because he still had to be quicker in that final lap so he put massive pressure on himself there. Gotta respect Alonso, but wouldn't you hate it to have him as your teammate.😂
07 was one of the best seasons,imo the two best drivers ever as teammates racing for Mclaren, great v8s not quite the glorious v10s from years prior, stacked grid with so many champs & future world champs,peak F1
The fact, that the commentatpr speaks about psychological factor at the start.... amkes it pure gold..
Wow! I had heard of this but never saw it. Thanks.
Alonso wears his heart on his sleeve, admirable at times, but other times it definitely works against him.
A real Rat yeah? That guy is a poisonous hypocrite who's ill hurting from that beat down he got from a Rookie
Now apparently following team agreements is bad?
@@WhiteG60refreshing to see a rational opinion for once
This cost Alonso the championship. Had he not had the penalty, he would have had enough points. His own doing.
Si McLaren no le hubiera saboteado el año. También.
@@davidg.2190Pathetic excuse and incredibly unprofessional and childish from Alonso. Go do your lap and allow your teammate to do the same thing. Best man wins at the end of the day. Alonso sabotaged his own chances of winning the world championship. Karma is a bitch eh?……
@@nickxcore74for me this is why Alonso will never be a true champion. Tried to cheat and ultimately came of worse
@@al1356 Tried to cheat? 😅
Hamilton was the one who tried to screw Alonso by not following the team procedure. There was a lot going on there.. Was Alonso given old tyres? I also read on RaceFans that Ron was telling Alonso to hold up Hamilton. And then he only got the penalty because McLaren wouldn't release the audio of what was said, probably because it would've amounted to team orders, which weren't allowed at the time.. 🤔
Either way, he got screwed there, and it cost him his 3rd title..
Justice
back when F1 was exciting
Alonso the GOAT. Outstanding tactics.
He got a penalty for this, was moved back 5 places in the grid for the start, and came 4th in the race. Hamilton moved up to poll position and won the race. Alonso screwed himself. He also screwed the team, which were prevented getting constructor points over the incident (a penalty for the team pretending it wasn't Alonso's choice to stay longer in the pits). So the team got punished trying to keep Alonso out of trouble. This marked the beginning of the end for Alonso and Mclaren. The pit stall was a disastrous decision. And bad sportsmanship.
GOAT???
Are you serious?
Shumaker, Senna, Hamilton, Stewart?
@@barryschwarz Alonso tried everything he could against his own team. He was racing alone.
@@barryschwarz
Bad sportsmanship from Lewis, as everybody know very well and only the ignorant nobodies don't know this proven fact.
Everyone is great friends in F1 now, but just wait until the championship gets close again. Hopefully. Some day?....
Not this year mate😂
Probably in the next major design shift, when Merc can again outspend everyone to the tune of 800 million dollars and hide it in their books somewhere.
@@anesvick That may well be more exciting then what we have.
@@wesley8096 I still have hope
@@MikeBarty2011 What driver are you thinking of?
Without this, Alonso would’ve been World Champion..probably
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Without Alonso put up his own team (McLaren) with spygate... That tells me, he can't beat on track Hamilton, he is tried it on the other way, he failed. And then ruined his own future, not winning any championship in F1 again.
@@devilzuser0050 yep, he did this „politics“ thing waaay too much and hurt his reputation a lot
@@RiccardoArmentanohe has a penalty brcause of this, any of this in the rules, of course
Well he would have been. He would have qualified at worst 2nd and most likely would have finished 1st or 2nd, instead of 4th. An extra 3 points would have won him the championship. A lot of ifs and buts in 2007, but this is a big one.
Dennis doing a Tony Soprano here 😂
I met both Alonso and Hamilton during this time whilst doing a promo for the Mercedes Black series at MB World Woking, Alonso was charming as was Hakkinen, Hamilton proved on more than one occasion what an ego maniac he was. He's the most important thing in his world.
Did you fr 😀😀??that's fantastic, I don't why people say Alonso is toxic, many in paddock talks more nice of him, even young drivers hang out with more. (😁☝️padel)
Those cars looked awesome. Even now the McLaren looks futuristic. Hamilton's calmness and maturity has always been impressive too.
That was bad-a$$ by Alonso. Good on him. A true GOAT.
Still to this day think its bizarre for the FIA to punish Alonso for this inter-team conflict. Would’ve been better to let McLaren sort it themselves.
The most beautiful cars
I think a lot of people in this comment section dont realize there was more to this situation. I think many just think he is trying to steal a pole, but this was more about standing up for himself.
McLaren hired the defending world champion only to turn against him
Idiotic team management, if you weren’t going to back Alonso, WHY HIRE HIM
I don’t even like Alonso but fucking hell that annoys me
It would be like if McLaren signed fucking Verstappen only to piss him off and give Piastri preferential treatment. Makes no sense 🤦🏻♂️
The video doesn´t explain why Alonso felt he had to do it. Why did they put old used tires on his car and new ones were set for Hamilton? He was entitelled to new tires aswell but Ron Dennis wanted Hamilton in front at any cost. Talk about letting racers race.
The tires of this era were quite different than today. Depending on the track, tires with a wear of 3 or 4 laps were quicker than brand new tires. In fact, in some races they even decided not to change tires because they thought a brand new set would make the car slower. In the race where Hamilton threw away his 2007 championship, he decided not to change his tires at the first stop. This decision caused him the race - and at the end the championship as well.
@@Darude453 not true.the brand new set on the previous attempt was what gave Hamilton the best lap when the pole had been set by alonso earlier. Also on new tires. Besides,it is known that at the time Alonso explained that he did what he did because he was expecting a new set that they never gave him in two pit changes. And he realised ( and it is notiçable in this same video ) that he realises tgey are preparing a new set for hamilton that he thought were fir him. If you watch closelly you will see the team member gesturing to him tbose were not for him. Tbats when he realises hamilton is behind him and knows he is being screwed over. Another thing you ca see in this same video is when the reporters tell the audience tbere is nothing on the regulations that says he cannot do that. Its a team thing. But Ron Dennis demmanded Eclestone that Alonso should be punished. Thats all known fact
You’ve ,issued the plot here completely.. qualifying sessions in 2007 so,times meant within a team could have 3 runs and one could have 2.. the team rotated this advantage and Hamilton ignored the rotation the previous event.. Alonso was in revenge mode
@@nikoherkules
BS!!!
FA’s Fizzeo counted the time back to FA.
Do you think they pulled that out of their arse in the middle of a Q3 stop???
NO, LH was a right prick when he was young. I hated him for a while.
But know LH, FA have about the best race craft including MS.
How many times did MS crash or park his car on the track during qualifying!?!
FA wiped the floor with MS!!!
Ron Dennis was a charlatan and an idiot, and threw away a legitimate championship with his clueless management
Hire the defending champion and then play mind games with him? The disrespect was unreal
Not like they’d stay successful, they would get ONE more, and just barely sneak it over the line
We need some of this animosity in todays F1
Lies again? Harvard University Asia Story
We had it for about one race between Max and Checo last season.
Then Max went on to win everything
@nonegone7170 and also the year before where he wouldn't help Perez in the championship
nahh, we don't need dirty drivers
OMG wasn't F1 absolutely bloody fantastic back then! So much better than the current fiasco
For sure, but when I was watching this I was missing the late 80s F1.
Yup refueling was a huge loss
@@AbCat4very true
For some whatever happened here might be wrong or right but I gotta tell u Alonso is the Baddest mofo in motor sports. Man's still kicking ass.
Pure gold...Nanders...one of the smartest drivers of all time...right there with Senna. We love you brother.
Ron Dennis walking the man by his collar 😂
Few know that that day Mclaren put the harder tire on Alonso's car to put Hamilton in advantage on Ron Dennis' request. Fernando raced against his own team that year
Should put up the video of Nelson Piquet Jr crashing so alonso could pit under yellow to win a race.
Shitbag Alonso still considers that a legit victory too.
Beautiful from Alonso
Fun fact: after of all, both mclaren driver lose WDC by 1 point and today have a lot of respect each other
yo momma have a lot of respect of each other
@@albeback5234Unfunny
@@albeback5234👍🏻thank you!
Go Kimi!
“A lot of respect for one another “
Alonso- “what an idiot!! He only knows how to race and start from first”
That race was the beginning of the long lasting terrible McLaren team we now know.
Loved it....:)
🤷 I'm a die-hard Alonso fan and i have to say his worst enemy isn't Lewis, Vettel,kimi But himself.
Always has been. Brilliant driver but has made life very difficult for himself. Should have had many more championships
@@John64125 they were unfair to Alonso in this season, they were favoring Hamilton, so he used any advantage he could, Ron Dennis loved Hamilton
@@LewytheflyBut somehow he burned bridges at every possible occasion throughout his F1 career, not just at McLaren. (Aston being an exception - perhaps he realized his days in F1 are slowly coming to an end)
The sound of those cars, the lack of halo. Proper F1 cars.
Absolutely perfect example of Alonso’s lack of sportsmanship.
what would you do if your car is handicapped by your own team for the final session and your teammate has fresh tyres on?
Idk, the unforgettable pit stop of 2007 was Lewis’ out into the pit entry.
Nando, ever the tactician. 😂
Unforgettable !!
The most beautiful cars with the worst tyres ever
Why the "worst" tyres? I really liked these Bridgestone grooved tyres, especially from the aesthetical point of view :)
These cars were ugly in comparison to previous years...
@@deerlord2363 What do you mean as "the previous cars"?
@@Petrinho07 I said previous *years.* In my opinion 2000-2006 cars were much better looking than these 2007 cars. 🤷♂️
@@deerlord2363 Oh, ok. I agree, 2000-06 were very nice, especially the 2004 were beautiful for me, but I also liked also the 2007.
They put used tires to Fernando.... Really #disgusting.... #F1
And he still did fasted lap.... really????
@@grotesmurf1Just Chadlonso doing Chadlonso things
The tyres are obviously brand new you can tell by looking at them
I don’t remember where I read this but someone did some math and if Alonso hadn’t blocked Hamilton and gotten a penalty. And the rest of the season went how it did in the history books. Alonso more than likely would’ve been a 3 time champion winning by a couple points to Kimi.
yes but he decided to act like a baby and threw it away
@@Hamilton8timeChampion it’s not about being a baby, it’s about being prideful. Alonso was young and prideful
@@enigmatic13465 if he is going to do shit like that because he was being beaten by a rookie then he was acting like a baby
@@Hamilton8timeChampion your user name shows your immediate bias which means I already know how you feel about Alonso. I don’t care about this conversation brodie
@@enigmatic13465 alonso my opinion of him is a race by race basis for example i like him one race and want to punch him next but he is a legend of F1 and someone of i have respect for but in this instance he was being a child
Hahaha Alonso in GOAT mode, against Hamilton, Hamilton Crew, McLaren (the whole team), maFIA and british world! Best driver ever (too bad the fact he’s spanish, the eternal enemy of Britain 😂)
You know what is the Spanish wet dream?
If McLaren retained De La Rosa for 2007 alongside Alonso
Alonso would have won 2 titles in a row at McLaren, that would have been insane
@@Duval-In-The-Wall no, simply: not british media + McLaren + maFIA against Alonso.
That Mclaren was amazing.
This should never have been penalized as harshly as it was, moreso when in 21 Hamilton did the same thing ON THE CIRCUIT to hold up Max. This was clever, and there was no rule about sitting in the box at the time. Just as with the whole season, Ron Dennis made this worse than it was.
Masterpiece 😂
The best era in formula1 by far!! Nice cars great commentating! Better than todays garbage
And also better sound and maybe "simpler" but nicer and much better arranged graphics.
Wish Russell would do this to princess Crymilton
Since around this time Hamilton has been all Alonso thinks about!
Wow! When Vodafone actually had money. Good old days for them.
Yeah, Ron Dennis really messed up an easy WDC for Fernando in 2007. He got some revenge in 2008 but this should have been a much better decade in McLaren F1 history
Alonso messed up a lot as well(with unnessesary things off track or in quali(hungary)) Fernando got revenge in 08? By winning when his team cheated?
The only person that cost Alonso the title,was Alonso himself!
Smart move ❤ love Alonso
Still dont know why he didnt just stall the car? Prost proved in '93 how easy it is to do. A lot harder to prove he stalled intentionally rather than just sitting there.
If he stalled, he could not take the pole...
The fact that the back-to-back reigning champion of Formula 1 felt the need to sabotage his rookie teammate this way tells you just how scared of Hamilton Alonso has been since Day 1.
clearly you haven't seen this season huh.
The fact that Lewis Hamilton and the team felt the need to sabotage the back-to-back reigning champion of Formula 1 that led up to this in this way tells you just how fraudulent the career of Lewis Hamilton has been since Day 1.
😂😂😂
This is comedy
not of Hamilton, but his own team
For anyone defending what Alonso did to Russell in Australia, they need to watch this for his character!!
Well you should read up on f1 history since Lewis went rogue and broke the team agreement which was Fernando was supposed to be first car out
If ever there was a reason why Alonso will never get a Mercedes seat, that was it. A flaw in his personality which
will always be there. Teams need team players and that would never impress toto.
Well in that case you can make the same argument against Lewis since he went rogue and ignored the team agreement that weekend
its a 200mph chess game
Alonso could have been champion with McLaren if not for Ron Dennis, absolutely disgraceful handling of 2007 by him and the team
The only time in the history of F1 that a team has prostested against their own driver. The FIA would not have got involved unless Ron Dennis had demanded his own driver was investigated and penalised... this didn't just cost Alonso the world championship, it also cost McLaren a drivers world championship in a year where they had been screwed over by the FIA due to spygate, which was never worth the biggest sporting penalty in history... so they cost themselves salvaging something from 2007 too.
Seriously one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen in F1
Crazy that they all had apple vision pro's before they were made
Well I can also ask, what would you do if your car is handicapped by your own team for the final session and your teammate has fresh tyres on? It's difficult having a toxic team and a parcial boss. No blame for the drivers. It's all on the team and especially Ron
Yup. Fernando should have easily won the 2007 title. Hamilton performed incredibly BUT McLaren were really doing Alonso dirty. When they saw that Hamilton was close enough to Alonso the team tried everything to make the most sensational press piece ever - a British rookie winning the world championship in a British team.
Hamilton is the faster driver, but Alonso is the better racer and in world championships that's what it comes down to. We're very lucky to have these two still on the grid
@@gabe2968 Alonso would have won 2007 if he didn't act like a child here.
@@Hamilton8timeChampion Show me one great driver that never lost his cool. They've devoted their entire life to this
Alonso tied hamilton by going next to kimi in brazil,after having fought his own team and partial boss from race one.and even during pitblock u can see alonso is fitted used tyres then hamilton is given fresh tryres.botched strategy,1 mechanical failure, out of regulation penalty in hungary due to mclaren protesting against their own driver, only time in history its ever happened,to dish their own driver out w a penalty that’s not even in the rulebook.
Alonso is second to none,lewis no doubt did a great debut season but he lacked pace in some circuits,made mistakes,all thewhile having preferential treatment since 1st round and the team openly admitting fighting against the other driver to the world.
@@gabe2968 there is losing your cool and doing shit like this.
Hi. Can i ask where you got this footage from. I've been searching for F1 races between 2005-2017 and cannot really find anything. Thanks!
Most likely F1 TV
F1TV doesnt have any qualifying sessions as far as I know @@Merc140497
@@Merc140497but f1 tv its only from 2018 to now?
You should have heard the radio discussions from the moment the cars left the pit lane…
We don't know who that man Ron Dennis has his arm around but we believe he's a member of The Bocchicchio Family
I don’t think there was anything wrong with that in terms of the rules, I think drivers are not obligated to move out of the way unless the car behind is on a lap. Considering they were both in the pits, I think that, while a dick move, it’s part of racing, very much like how you aggressively defend against rivals and get the elbows out to squeeze them off the track. Nothing wrong by the rules, just competition and rivalry.
This was a terrible situation for McLaren. It was instigated by Lewis, refusing to yield to Fernando at the start of qualifying (part of a convoluted system in which the team alternates who heads out of the pits first from race-to-race), it was supposed to be Fernando ahead of Lewis in Q1 Hungary. By Q3, Alonso still obviously hacked-off blocks Hamilton in the pits, as we saw. To make matters worse, late after quali had finished, Anthony Hamilton (Lewis' dad) went to the stewards and lobbied them to penalise Alonso - which they did. And if all that wasn't enough, the following morning Alonso allegedly threatened both Dennis & Whitmarsh that if they didn't short fuel Lewis for the race as a penalty, he would go to the FIA and expose the Ferrari documentation they had acquired from Nigel Stepney. It was a gruesome situation to which both the Hamilton's and Alonso behaved appallingly. I do not look back at this with fondness.
Shame there wasnt driver audio back then
There was, just not aired..
its hard to understate just how massively better f1 was then. embarrassing what it has become. shameful.
'Sustainable' left-wing nutters.
Hey kiddy....eat THIS! 🤣🤣🤣
during the pitstop you can actually notice that Alonso was put on used hard tyres for last qualy lap ( I renember there was even a video with team radio where Alonso asked team why they put him on hard tyres, but there were no response from mclaren) and you can see reaction from Ron Dennis at the end of qualy, despite having 1-2 at qualy he was unhappy because his favourite black son was not on pole. Even Ron Dennis himself said at one interview few years later that he made a mistake for not supporting Alonso in 2007
Information pulled out of your ass. Hamilton far superior to Alonso.
@@ebony5076well that is not what lewis think ....so we will stick to his own words . Alonso . Equal cars and engines . Lewis ....i dont think that is a good idea ...does it ring a bell
this is a joke, right? beated in 2010-2012 were the ferrari was worser than mclaren lol@@ebony5076
The tyres are obviously brand new and Alonso said in the press conference he preferred the Harder tyre
wow, the lies about aloso are hilarious from his fans. he literally chose those tyres
Shows Alonso for what he is. He knew Lewis was better than he was. He could beat him fairly so had to use foul.
One thing can’t be denied … Alonso got beaten by a rookie doesn’t matter what his legion of fans say British team favoured a British driver lol 😂 he got beaten by a rookie there’s no denying that
Alonso the cunning cat. bad or good, that was pretty genius.
i think you spelled twat wrong.
Absolutely. Many times since has shown incredible intelligence but often at someone's expense! He's never tried to hurt anyone that I can remember....you can't say that about Max and Lewis.
Alonso is toxic.
@@RainCity3rd Hardly
Genius? Toxic with no self control
Balls of steel. You gotta love that guy.
I remember seeing this live and think "no way... He also made the pole"
Badass
Heck yeah but too bad it was taken away later
Balls ? Can't beat a guy on track so you play dirty ? this is on the same level a shuey parking his car during monaco quali.
Balls of steel? More like brains of sh1t. This stunt, and the well deserved penalty, cost him the world drivers championship that year. If he wasn’t such a coward and too afraid to fight fair with a rookie, he’d have been far better off.
@@WipeoutFPV what is dirty? Is that against the regulations? That was an internal issue, same as Lulu not complying with internal agreement to take turns for the extra lap. Now wasn't that dirty. What was outrageous was that stupid, baseless and unprecedented penalty.
Where is the winglet
Just gotta.love Alonso 😂😂😂
Ham learned very well from this.
In netflix DTS didn't Alonso say something like every show needs a villain and that's me.
they had put used tires on alonso's car..
ah yes, the downfall of Lonso started after this 🤣🤣
I mean he got better and gained respect with time, so that's not a downfall.
The greatest grub driver in F1 history
The whole team was against him and trying to provide everything to Hamilton, I don't blame Alonso for this
This is the greatest example of how not to run an F1 Team. Ron had learned nothing from the Prost Senna disaster. Total incompetence on his part. Alonso had aready sensed that something was not right with the management of the team.The pit stop was the proof of what was going on. Ron was now playing favorites again so Alonso decided he had to take things into his own hands and the rest is history.
As for the grid penalty , that was total BS, no rules had been broken on the pits stop and it was only given after Ron went balistic on Bernie. This decission in a court of law would have been concidered results fixing and another huge black eye for the sport that was aready dealing with spygate. In the end With the best car and 2 of the best drivers on the planet Ron won nothing that year. Spygate took the constructor cup away and his destructive handling of the drivers cost him the Drivers title. A just reward for his shear incompetence and The fteam had only 1 good year left in it the next season. Ron was finished after that.