6.5 PRC Precision Loads using Triebel Dies (Germany)
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If you are in to precision rifle shooting, you most likely have a respect for high quality equipment and gear. Recently, when discussing the Turban CNC Präzipress with the inventor Thomas Turban, I was made aware of a lineup of ultra-precision dies that like the Präzipress are made in Germany. The dies I'm talking about are made by a company called Triebel Guntools, and in this video, I'll show them to you first-hand!
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Thank you for showing some love to the 6.5 prc. Its quickly becoming one of my favourite calibers. That being said, I get that partnerships are an essential source of revenue for firearm related CZcams channels. But this video felt like a 20 minute advertisement for a product that misses 99.9% of your audience. Maybe we could have a comparison video where you compare ammo loaded with these to ammo loaded with other common dies like Forster or Lee? Or some other substantive claim about improved performance? Just some thoughts from a long time subscriber.
Well Said..I agree 100%
Should've been titled, RELOADING FOR MILLIONAIRES
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Spot on!
That’s some really nice reloading equipment for sure
It’s not millionaires that buy this. It’s responsible people who want the best tools. Buy once, cry once.
imagine sticking a case in one of those.
Remember, pinky out when loading with these. Lol
Ha ha, good one!
They’re German, not Brits!
I have triebel dies for my 8,5x55 blaser ,super high quality. Love them
Crazy high end reloading... nice
There’s a couple of important facets to the range of dies offered by Triebel - only one of which was briefly mentioned by Gavin (i.e. the 1-1/4” dies).
Unlike most manufacturers they offer dies for many cartridges in 1-1/4” x 12 thread size as well as the normal 7/8” x14 treaded dies. Especially where large diameter cases are concerned the larger die bodies allow far more consistent sizing of the larger cases compared to the 7/8” dies (dies which end up with quite thin walls - leading to problems). Surprisingly the cost of the Triebel 1-1/4” dies is very similar to that of their 7/8” dies.
Triebel also supply dies (as standard & at no extra cost) for many little known cartridges which require either special order dies from other makers or are just not available elsewhere.
I use some Triebel dies plus many other dies from just about all the other makers. Triebel are certainly the best finished (and don’t require their expander buttons to be smoothed/polished - unlike most other makers products do). However because of cost I’d hesitate to recommend Triebel 7/8” dies for the basic run of cartridges (e.g. .223, .308 Win etc) but as noted above, their dies are ready available & are more cost effective (or the only choice) when it comes to many less popular cartridges. Likewise their 1-1/4” dies are good value for money compared to the few similar dies made by other manufacturers.
I believe Redding and others make special request. I will be staying with my old nav very accurate Rockchuckers and simple bench tools to give me 3/8" bug holes. After all I still have a hard time finding enough components at a fair cost.
You're killing me with these reloading videos just got a new dillon rl550c and I'm completely out of powder/primers!!! I have plenty of ammo in storage and I'm almost to the point of pulling bullets dumping the power out in my hopper and reloading the primed cases just so I can use it. LOL
Gotta love Gavin - "I found what many people think is the best reloading stuff in the world. Then I found better, cooler, more (whatever) stuff. Got it, made a cool video that's easy to understand. Brought it to you folks."
Rock On.
They are among the best of the best. May I suggest a shootout with Triebel, Wilson, Area 419 dies, and maybe other high-end professional dies? One where critical measurements and dimensions are all compared and carefully examined. That would truly be a fantastic showcase. Thanks!
A tad early but........ "all snuggled in their beds with visions of a Zero Press and Triebel Dies dancing in their heads" ohooo I am going to be a good boy this year.
Wow
For my self hand loading has been a practicable hobby. I have loaded for accuracy for 39 years. I also have been somewhat practicable about it. For a person that would be new to loading. It could not at all be practical.
Why does this channel feel like one long advertisement lately
Lete guess, Gavin loves his free stuff?
Nice dies muffy. I'll stick with my Forster dies and save the money for a new pickup truck.
Why?
Gavin,
1) Thank you for your video. Great job. I would like to see video from testing of loads at range soon.
2) Music at beginning is just terrible, next time, reduce volume a little, please...
3) As you know, scale, you are using for powder measuring are very sensitive. They are close to analytical scale category in precision and shall be treated properly. Keeping them at the same table, during all strokes and vibration from other reloading steps will kill them soon. I was crying for them, all the time, watching this post.
4) Most comments are claiming here, about price of dies. Yes, they are expensive. Triebel is leading company in precision tools for gunsmithing in Europe, and price level of their product equal to High End product category. Like Porsche in automotive. Would You like to have Porsche? You shall pay for it. Yes, at the end of the day, It is still only a car. Four tires, engine etc.
But, it’s funny for me, to see, how US guys are crying about EU product price in US, anyway. Could you imagine, how much we - reloaders in Europe - are paying for US reloading products here? If I will purchase Dillon SUPER 1050 today, I would pay here in Czech Republic equivalent of $ 3,400.00 in local currency. Shall I cry as well? (lol)
You cry for us, we'll cry for you. :)
Companies charge what the market will bear. If Triebel or Dillon can get the price they charge in either market good for them. Might be too rich for my blood but I guess someone can afford them or they wouldn't be able to produce and sell the product. Though in your market I'm betting there's a huge import duty adding to the cost.
Beautiful equipment, beautiful dies, Its like artwork in machined anodized beauty! If only I had the money. I don't even want to look up that area 419 press or these dies. Congrats to you Gavin I'm glad you have these to show us the top of the line. I finally got my 6.5 PRC rifle last year so I am happy and blessed to watch. I will compare my Dillon 550/Redding's loaded cartridges to see how their rollout is with Hornady Brass and A tip bullets here.
I am digging the new back ground...... Looking good Gavin
Got to get there!!!!!!
No one loading to that level of precision would use a case gauge to measure shoulder bump. “That feels good” lol
At $750 to $1000 for a set these dies are totally unnecessary for the quality gain !!!
well, I'm not rushing out to get some. Are they really any better than Redding? Really? no Really?
Well in my local currency thats R15 000, basically 7 to 10 times that of forster benchrest or redding s type dies or 5 times that of LE willson arbor dies... With if im not mistaken is seen a the best seating dies in the benchrest, f-class world
These dies are better quality, yes. Do you need them? You have to decide that! :)
@@Ultimatereloader that said I really trust German engineering.... In all honesty what's not to trust, they have hella tight tolerances like the scandanavians
@@Ultimatereloader also i have a question.... Bolt action reloading did a video on how humidity affects powder befor its loaded in the case
As a fellow scientist ( future scientist as i still nees ro complete my degree in geology)
Id really like to see how you would go about testing it because you publish the data and i think publishing one's findings is important
here in Switzerland the material costs 40 to 60% more than in America which is a big shit 2k the press almost 4k perfect annelling, dies 400 or 500.- 3k autotickler is absurd. I love the video material good luck
why use 6.5creedmore instead of 6.5 sweed?? please cover that in a video
Because the 6.5x55 is not marketed in the US today. 😉
Today Scandinavians using it for moose hunting and 1000 meters target shooting.
I love it !
Greatings from Germany
Do Triebel accept Food Stamps?..... Just kidding. Thank you for showing some love for the 6.5 PRC... They are some really nice looking dies, but at this time, that cost far exceeds my ability and experience. When I say my "experience" that means, I wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the dies I have of the various brands, to these claimed super duper high-end dies. I can't even tell the difference from my LYMAN's to the L.E. Wilson's dies, let alone the other brands, all for the same cartridge. Maybe someday, I will have that measure of a skillset to be able to merit the cost of that brand of tools. Maybe if the price comes down a wee bit, I may buy a set for the next caliber I play with. Thank you for sharing the info though, very much.
The big question is - how good will Area 419 dies will be.
I'm pretty new to the concept of reloading, but looking at this clip makes me wonder how cost effective it is when the outlay for the kind of equipment on display adds to some serious numbers. You'd have to be virtually a professional hunter, or a serious range shooter, to justify this expense over simply buying the ammunition for occasional hunting trips that might number maybe half a dozen a year?
Big fan of the channel, I see you flexing that 8 lb jug of h1000 lol
Why tout a die set and provide no price information or where to buy ?
Just a suggestion. Rather than plus or minus a certain amount which is a bit confusing whether you were talking about the total amount or 1/2 of it, why not just refer to it as TIR or total indicator run out if the industry uses. Everything concentric goes under this measurement. Thanks for the great video.
I didn't like the video because there are zero results, why not shoot the same load and gun against the Lee ultimate dies?
Exactly. Again he’s reaching a small niche of reloaders. How sad. Wasted resources
@@psdozer take another glass of vinegar...
Gavin is just showing the latest, the coolest. I love his channel.
Do you need a Ferarri to go from A to B ? No.
Do you need Triebel dies to reload good cartridges? No
But it sure is nice!
@@flinch9748 Gavin used to be in touch with the average reloader . I’m glad for his success, but I don’t relate to his newer videos. It’s all about ridiculously priced equipment that I doubt 1% of his viewers would or could buy. Great that he can or maybe he gets perks for the advertising them here. But there isn’t one tool on that bench that I would buy even if I could...not one.
@@davidharrah3703 G has stated he wants to cover gear for budget minded products, low end, economy products; mid-range products, fair to middling products; and high end products, top of the line, high priced products, top tier. He states he wants to cover all tiers. Good for him. Companies that want exposure will look to him - his channel touches many, those who can't, those who can and dreamers who set goals regardless of tier.
Man, you got all the toys!
What is the name or brand of the stand that you’re rolling your brass on with that dial indicator? I can’t find it anywhere. Thanks. My wife and I love your content.
Germam...awesome
Triebel actually sells a „Pleb Set“ in .308win named after their home region „Allgäu“ that includes a benchrest seater and FL sizer for roughly 150€ which is an amazing value. Unfortunately, their other FL dies alone cost almost 50% more which is so absurd.
I‘m very happy with the .308FL sizer but the BR seating die suffers from THE METRIC SYSTEM. Even with the optional „micrometer“ adjustment upgrade, you basically get 0.1mm increments on the fine adjustment scale which sucks. That‘s 0.004“ ... wish they made a micro adjustment upgrade with a 0.001“ scale.
How dp you like the micrometer adjustment?
I dont really get how it works. Its not that obvious from the pictures,...
@@MrWachtmann It‘s pretty rudimentary. The top part adjusts the seating depth (1mm per turn iirc) and the bottom part locks the adjustment down.
@@GunWodan sounds like it exactly works as the standard adjustment,...
@@MrWachtmann yes but with a scale ring in 0.1mm increments. Which isn‘t very useful ...
I'm a long time subscriber, I even have one of the shirts, so some tough love here. I see more and more videos distancing the channel from the reason why I subscribed. It is nice to see some new products, like the Franford Pile Driver (I bought one and works great), but the practical end results is the reason for my subscription. The press shootout is a great example or the rifle builds. I hope you go back to the origins and the "infomercial look and feel" becomes a brief interval.
??? "infomercial" ??? At the end of the day - what ist not "infomercial"? The first videos - no products? Hard to find a video without a product. That means - you want no "infomercial" you want not to see any products. I Think - you are pissed because the stuff he shows us is not in yout budget and that pisses you off. Is it in my budget? Many many many many times NO.
But before I buy som bad things, I can save my money on good tools. And therefore I like gavintoobe for the wide range...
@@badoldboy5557 You've got all wrong brother. 1st, you don't know my budget and this has nothing to do with it, btw I just bought a CZ550 in 505 Gibbs for reference. 2nd Who said I did not want to see a product, I even gave an example of a product that I bought right after one of the videos where he clearly showed the benefits and I can vouch for them now. The issue is the recent lack of practical results. Based on this video, can you tell me if it is worth footing the bill for these dies over Hornady dies? The same with the recent priming tool. What's the practical reason to invest on this expensive tool versus the Lee bench primer that I use? Gavin used to show the benefits, and the examples I provided of great quality videos he produced is a testament of this.
@@cs_yt Thank you for your comment on what I wrote. I see it like you when you ask "is the tool worth so much money". It is very difficult to decide. It depends what you are doing and there are dies from other manufacturers where a die costs over $ 800. Such dies are then individually manufactured for your chamber. The Tribel dies are not that special and not that expensive. You can also have certain dimensions made at Tribel if you are telling them. This may be too difficult for customers from the USA. The Tribel dies are consistently benchrest quality. Matrices from well-known manufacturers in the USA can do this just as well in terms of quality. These benchrest dies then also cost more than the standard. But when you take a Tribel die in your fingers and see how it is processed, it is a great feeling and the result is just right. When I get inserts for the setting die, for example for different Berger bullets that are adapted to the different ogives, one shooter will say "I don't need it" and another shooter will find it great. Admittedly, such information was missing from the video. At the end of the day - Tribel is very high standard - the surfaces have a high finish. I have one Tribel sizing die - I got Forster benchrest - normal Dillon - Hornady and Lee dies and what I can tell you - you get what your paying for. It depends at your needs. Sometime a LEE ist ok. Sorry my english is not that good at expressing myself and it can be misunderstood
@@badoldboy5557 I don't dispute any of the info you presented, the point of my comment is for Gavin going back to videos where the practical aspect is shown. Look at his recent scale video, it is better, he compares the new line of Hornady scales with a high precision scale. Even though, IMO, he should have shown more charges and the result of the charge is a little shaky, at least it is closer to what used to be. An almost identical video was done recently by the channel Bolt Action Reloading. Take a look and tell me if you perceive a difference. BTW, don't worry about your English, it is just fine.
@@cs_yt Thank you for your understanding of my English. I can accept 100% what you saying. It may be that I saw the videos differently than you did as I saw most of the videos more or less as an advertisements. As an engineer, I disagree on some videos… Don't be disappointed. The films are a lot of work and he certainly hasn't done it out of philanthropy in a long time. At the end of the day, a commercial is sometimes better, sometimes worse, but is still a commercial. Greetings from Germany to the USA.
What's better? Neck only sizing dies or full length dies?
hi i am looking for triebel dies for 7.62x54r can you help me please how to order that
did you use large rifle magnum or large rifle primers
How's the progressive shootout coming along? Last update said October 2020😞
What, no trimming after sizing? You could have added hundreds of more dollars of equipment with a Giraud powered case trimmer!
Don't forget the click adjustable Whidden Lock Rings as a neat feature for the Giraud. Set it, confirm it and have at the pile of cases!!! OO or were you making a snide remark on choices others make for themselves?
Thanks you for this high value content. Is there a specific reason you are not using a Wilson die with an Arbor press for bullet seating? Doing it with the Triebel means having no feedback on seating force. I assume contrencity is comparable between these dies?
Nice equipment at a nice price....I hope I win the lottery !!
What neck tension did that FL die give you
Erik Cortina did an experiment pertaining to runout of concentricity and found it made no difference. Just curious of everyone's experience
Where are the white gloves?
Lacking micrometer seating depth adjustment. Especially at the price.
Why the neck only sizer?
@@corbindallas9675 LOL
Hey Gavin were you annealing fired or new cases for that process! Not sure what that machine was doing? Annealing for dummies! LOL
Why no micrometer on the seater?
@@corbindallas9675 I cant stand messing with standard seating die set screws. regardless of run out. cant believe there isn't a micrometer on it. Was thinking maybe there is a reason for that....
Wait until y’all discover the price of that press(made of aluminum, and that powder dispenser/scale 😱
So, is there a way for interested customers in the US to easily buy Triebel dies? Seems to be targeted to compete with the Short Action Customs or the Micron dies but how do we get them.
...there will be a interesting way very soon. Stay tuned! ;-)
news will follow. Exclusive US partner will start very soon. Please register here for free to get the news once we are ready to go:
mailing.triebel-guntools.de/f/246705-295587/ (No boring newsletters, no spam! Just information to US sales partner launch!)
now you need a blaser r8. i've decided my money is going to german companies whenever possible
Man for all the fancy equipment i figured youd at least measure to set up your full length die
Where can these dies be purchased? Is there a US distributor?
Hi Robert,
news will follow. Exclusive US partner will start very soon. Please register here for free to get the news once we are ready to go:
mailing.triebel-guntools.de/f/246705-295587/ (No boring newsletters, no spam! Just information to US sales partner launch!)
Gotta pile on here. Ultimate Price Tag (UPT). Engineers consider cost effectiveness. We better be making up a ton of MOA for that money...
Not the way it works. The law of diminishing returns is reality.
In today's video I show you a reloading setup in which you can ask yourself, should I pay cash for a 500 sq ft tiny house, or the same amount for a reloading setup.
Who is the distributor for these Triebel Dies ?
News will follow very soon on our website and certainly here in Gavins channel. Stay tuned!
Where can I purchase them
news will follow. Exclusive US partner will start very soon. Please register here for free to get the news once we are ready to go:
mailing.triebel-guntools.de/f/246705-295587/ (No boring newsletters, no spam! Just information to US sales partner launch!)
I think it's time for a subscriber giveaway where you send me that complete package
Nice hardware, but way outside most budgets, at least outside mine 😥
When loading 6.5 PRC, it is important to keep your pinky finger out.
Yea, it’s also important to have powder and primers too.
Hahaha- like drinking tea from fine china! :)
MEC+RCBS beats this combo for way less $
No dude. Instead of making yourself look foolish, just admit your too poor or too stingy to buy it.
So for that price and they're not even a bushing die?...
At over $150 Per Die, ($500 per set) that's a price point about 10 people in the world would pay. hard pass....
Gavin has all this high tech loading equipment, but still measures using COAL 🤔
Watch again.... 14:40
Is this reloading for the rich & famous? Yuk.. I feel like I just walked past a Lamborghini dealership knowing that I can’t afford what in the show room and wouldn’t buy one even if I could..
no1, as no2
Terrible opening music. Dies to high are they that much better?
Not sure what all the hype about 65 prc is
It's a barrel burner. And money burner as well. My 6.5 Creedmore does fantastic, if you need more distance, go 300WM or 338Lapua
@@laszlovandor4770 not really a barrel burner. GAP is showing 2000-2500 barrel life.
6.5 PRC has nearly the same barrel life or better as the 300wm. Depending on the barrel maker and power factor you load to of course. The shoulder angle and neck length was chosen specifically with barrel life in mind. Cases with shorter necks and/or certain shoulder angles cause more throat erosion (like 243 Win). 6.5 PRC hasn't even been out long enough for the average shooter to wear out yet. Also if you are the kind of person that shoots 3k+ a year in a short action magnum, you can afford to swap a barrel out and upgrade. It should be something to look forward to and not a negative if you love it.
@@laszlovandor4770 ty. What do you consider range for game say like elk. With creedmore
I was thinking that is 200+ grain in 300WM or anything in 338Lapua is better past 1000 meters.
6.5 Creedmore must be effective out to 500 meters on moose and elk.
Skandinavian hunters take moose at 500 meters with 6.5x55 Mauser with 140 grain round nose since 1896.
My son and I have three of those. All 3 are made in 1900 at Oberndorf A/N .
Four weeks ago he shot a 0.12 MOA (with 140 grains HPBT) group of 3 at 300 meters with his friend's SigSauer 6.5x55 in Linköping.
And where did you get these fine specimens? Anywhere in the States, or do I order them from the Third Reich?
Way to keep it on our level Gavin...Use 10k worth of reloading tools, then pitch your merch... Getting sadder with every video. You are so out of touch with your subscribers.
All right, so we get nice, shiny dies with a premium price tag. The video fails to demonstrate anything else. Looks more like an ad to me.
First!
$25;000 with reloading equipment for a $4000 elk meat $5000 moose meat $3000 mule deer meat $2000 deer meat way to go you’re in the big leagues now on of all that you can buy a box of Bullets and save $24,900