Dean Park 325 | Accurascale Class 37 v Bachmann Class 37 | Under Close Inspection
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Its FINALLY here! The all new Accurascale Class 37 arrives at Dean Park Model Railway! Join me as I take a close look at this highly anticipated new Class 37 and test it on Dean Park. PLUS I compare it to the new Bachmann Class 37 in a TOP GUN head to head! The results may surprise you! If you want to find out more about this and future class 37's from Accurascale and Bachmann and other modelling items I have purchased for the layout then click on the links below:
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www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/?...
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*Addition: at 0:52 I omitted to say Sutton Loco Works, for producing high end d&e models. Cavalex Models have not yet reached production of a locomotive, so are not covered in this comment.
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I have the Accurascale ‘Loch Eil ‘ sound model and it performs and sound beautiful
I just received that this week too. An impulse buy. It does look really impressive
Fantastic David. A really balanced and impartial review.
If you want to Improve the driveability of the Accurascale model, you can increase cv3 a little, so that the sound is a little ahead of the real acceleration. I have mine around 100 or so. Kind Regards Matt
Yes it needs a tweak so it’s more in line. Cheers.
Excellent Review Dave , And totally agree mate , Especially the price point .
Cheers :-)
As you know Dave I am N gauge only. So I am totally unbiased in my comments on your excellent review. Simple decision..Accurascale. Cheers, Bob.
Cheers bob. Glad you liked my review. :-)
After some ordinary Results with Hornby and reliability and general manufacturing faults with Accurascale Bachmann still has never let me down and the bang for the bucks and quality in the Bachmann has been untouched over the past 15 years for me personally however Personally Im dissapointed since i feel Hornby should keep waving the British flag high. To be fair when they saw the Thomas models move to Bachmann it feels like the lost something and have been playing second fiddle ever since. Even the new BT Dongle to control my elite with my Iphone which i got in 2024 feels a bit 15 years too late. But hey they did get there. I cant beleive Hornby became what seems the underdog but heres to the future and see what happens. Great video as always keep up the outstanding work. Have a surprise being released this Friday had to dabble into the world of T scale to complete a scene on my Hornby layout hopefully i pulled it off. Stay safe.
Bachmann are still the top of the tree! Hornby lead the way in terms of steam, but bachmann are kings of diesel. Accurascale are producing some superb stuff too!
@@DeanPark well I will stick with what I know at the moment just like my toyota that’s clicking closer to the million mark. Yes Hornby steam is pretty damn fine but I have an old DCC Hornby class 08 that they made weathered etc it’s a top spec model and daily workhorse for me it would have been bought late 2007-8 just when Hornby were still doing great now it’s a bit of a worry. Great stuff as always
A very great and interesting review Dave!! Great livery too! Thanks for sharing this video!! I prevere the Accurascale version. Cheers Onno.
Thanks onno.
That accurascale 37 sounds a hundred times better... It's more detailed and better thought out, yet somehow cheaper!? I'm looking forward to seeing the SLW highland 24s, 25s and the Accurascale 31s... Shame I don't have the money for modelling anyway 😂
It does sound very good. Very convincing. Yes I’ll be hoping to add a 25 from SLW when he does Scottish ones for my era.
ive been waiting an eternity for a scottish tractor with a realistic working car style headlight , a small detail but important when modelling a scottish layout
It’s great we have accurascale and Bachmann who’ve addressed this.
Such a fabulous comparison video, the most informative I’ve seen to date, fully focused for the full 30 minutes, thank you.
Hi. Thanks. Glad you found it useful :-)
Thanks so much for sharing with us, David. My goodness, the sound definition of the Accurascale model is fabulous, and just that little bit closer to the real thing, if you close your eyes. Impressive looks, accuracy overall, and sound! I am very much hanging out now, for my 37409 to arrive here in New Zealand (hopefully by the end of this month). I think I'm going to preorder the Accurascale Exclusive 37405 now too, on the strength of your review.
Great stuff. So glad you enjoyed my code and it was helpful.
Please use the affiliate link in the description to check out the accurascale website.
Hi David, a very fair assesment. I do like the glazing in the Accurascale model. Its virtually perfect. The sound just pips the Bachmann model I think.
All the best, Gary.
Cheers gary. Yeah very close contest. Accurascale wins by a nose!
Some great additional touches from Accurascale that give the customer an instant ....'now I'm liking this'. Very difficult to give a clear winner and think you're right that they both have their pros and cons against each other. With Accurascale going to that extra effort with the sound card and booklet, I'm surprised that they didn't round it all off by giving the modeller an actual depot palque to add to the loco rather than the customary painted example that always lets the loco down. If I was buying one, I think I'd opt for the Accurascale one too.
A good review Dave.
etched plates are in the accessory bag
@@Ste1952 Missed off the video then...nice that they have added that then...tops it off nicely
Cheers Steve. Good to hear from you. The little touches do add up to a better overall presentation. The bachmann packaging is underwhelming by comparison, but most people probably don’t care about the box…unless you’re a collector.
The etched arrows and depot plaques are supplied. I might of forgotten to mention that. 🤦♂️ lol
Cheers. Dave
Firstly a very fair unbiased opinion.
I have both these models and would have to agree with your verdict.
They both are fabulous models …. Unfortunately in today’s financial crisis I think the Bachmann one is very expensive if you go for deluxe versions.
Thanks. I’m also glad I’m glad you thought I was unbiased and hopefully fair. They really are both lovely models, but the bachmann one is over priced.
It will be interesting to see if they drop the prices to compete or remain stubborn and just charge what they think they can get away with!! Which is pretty much what they do just now!
@@DeanPark you will find they will keep prices high and stay stubborn.
This will then in time probably go against the hobbyist because Accurascale will put up there prices to suit.
I hope I’m wrong 🤔
I like both too Dave. I bought a new Bachmann recently and have two Accurascale 37s.on order
Both great 37’s. Happy days to come for anyone who likes this class!
I have 37423 and 37418 from Accurascale and Bachmann respectively, Bachmann have made a stunning locomotive that works brilliantly. The biggest problem this model has are in the smaller details and considerations that the Accurascale model has which blows it out the water. Better snow plough choice and design, superior speaker on sound fitted models, Hall sensor to enhance this further, the ability to fit a full set of bufferbeam detail to the model with the aforementioned ploughs fitted, the magnetic roof plate for easy decoder access and the Stay-alive capacitors.
The fact that Bachmann, who no doubt spent hundreds of thousands of pounds re-tooling their 37 kept the snowplough (easily one of its most iconic features) as a single piece that slots into the NEM socket is sad, it massively impacts an otherwise great model as the real locomotives don't fit them to the bogie. And I don't think it is unreasonable to expect this from £300+ models. Infact I am seriously considering trying to fit the Accurascale ones to it!.
For most it will come down to the cost, even a £24 difference is not something to ignore, in my case their is almost a £100 difference as 37418 is a Bachmann KMRC limited edition! costing around £360. For me, the deluxe models from Bachmann are not worth the asking price for tinted windscreen glazing and a motorized fan, its a lot of extra money for a feature (the working fan) that Accurascale will be incorporating on the class 31 and 50, and likely other diesels in the future, And at a similar cost the their 37.
We cannot overstate and underestimate the importance of 'bang for your buck' in this hobby, and unfortunately on this occasion I feel that Bachmann have fallen short in this endeavour.
Money talks doesn’t it. Both excellent models. But for me, modelling Scottish region a 37 has ploughs fitted! Ironically, this 37051 didn’t have its ploughs fitted when in this livery and working in Scotland! So I won’t be fitting them to this model 😆 it only got them after moving south and coming back up in the 90’s….and I am modelling the late 80’s. Typical eh! I wait years for a decent plough/bufferbeam set up and I don’t need them for this loco 😆
I prefer the Accurascale 37s, simply because they are significantly cheaper than the new Bachmann ones, but you still get an excellent model. I've wanted a 37 in my collection for years, and I was lucky to get one Accurascale model from Rails of Sheffield. I wasn't fussed about the era or livery; I just wanted any 37 variant. The one I have is 37027 'Loch Eil' in BR blue with the Eastfield stripe and car headlight (complete with a great weathering job to boot).
The model is so good that I want to get a second 37, but that'll have to wait a fair while.
I am awaiting the arrival of 37001 from Accurascale and I think Accurascale just edges it for me on Value for money.
Cheers Kev
Nice. You’ll hopefully enjoy that one!
My Accurascale 37051 is arriving today, I can't wait to get it up and running. This video is perfect timing for me. Great videos, as always, keep up the good work 👍
Hope you like as much as I do. Great fun to drive :-)
Well done. It’s always a pleasure to see your stunning layout that helps to show the full potential of new models. I’m still eagerly awaiting delivery of my Accurascale class 37.
Drabbers
I just ordered mine yesterday. Exactly the same livery as yours. I think I got the last one :)
Good choice!hope you enjoy it.
@@DeanPark it’s lovely isn’t it (got it yesterday). I’m
new to the hobby, so excuse the question, but mine isn’t dcc and I can’t see this in the instructions. Is there a way to customise the light configuration using that board shown in the yellow card?
Great video and review as always. I'll be receiving my newly tooled Bachmann model (37201) in the coming days to so it'll be nice to have manufacturers types in my collection, as you say both are extremely good models and offer a lot of value for money to within the hobby. Keep up the great work as always
James
Cheers James. Yeah I’m really happy that we can mix and match and they don’t stand out against each other. Shows you just how good the model is.
Enjoyed the comparison. I like the powered fan on the deluxe Bachmann but the big plus for me on the Accurascale is the addition of a stay alive. The first batch of SLW 24s offered a Hall effect sensor to trigger flange squeal on curves.
I do like my fans. Didn’t know about the SLW hall sensor. I looked at the spec of their 24’s…must have missed it or read an earlier function list. Thanks.
A very helpful and balanced review. Agree that the AS model edges it but they are both 5 star models. Whilst the AS sound reproduction is better that is largely due to the better speaker set up - I think both sound projects are excellent. I felt that the Bachmann model movement was better synched with the sound, especially the smooth pick up from stationary and also the braking (the AS model was still making brake squeal sound after it had stopped). I model the 1960s so still awaiting the AS green versions, from preproduction versions seen at shows I actually think the Bachmann BR green is a better representation than AS,s which to date remains a little flat and moss like. Still, we are currently spoilt for choice and as you say we can happily run examples from either manufacturer side by side.
Good comments there. Thanks.
for me its about price, at £169 the accurascale model is within my compass, wheras at the moment the bachmann model is out of my range, but i said that about the beautiful bachmann class 47 but i managed to accuire 47004 for &170 so i hope that the bachmann 37 comes down a little, the accurascale model i received (37026 rfd) is stunning
Retailers are having to slash the prices of bachmann models to shift them! The 47004 is a classic case. There are also deluxe 37’s going for cheaper than the original retail price of the sound fitted versions.
People see that they can get more for their money (and an equally as good model) from other companies and they vote with their wallets.
Heljan are increasing prices ridiculously high as well. I slashed my order for 26’s and 86’s when I saw the price increases.
China, Covid, materials, shopping or even a wee brexit blame. I’m not sure what their excuses are now or whether to believe them.
An interesting and balanced review, thank you. The A/S 37, not having bogie mounted pockets should be a plus allowing proper close coupling. Not the first RTR loco with curve screech though. That's a feature on my 12yr old ESU 66.
First RTR OO loco perhaps?
In fact, I forgot to mention that the Sutton loco works class 24 apparently had a hall sensor /flange squeal as an option. But it’s a nice touch and makes driving it realistically much easier.
Couple of things to add to your review of the 37 noses. Firstly, the split headcode box 37s that got converted to 37/5s or 37/7s had the boxes removed, sealed beam marker lights installed, and the nose end doors plated over. However, Laira depot took a different approach with three 37/0s, including 37053. They removed the nose end doors, central headcode boxes, sealed over the gap where the doors were, making it flush, and installed a central headcode box with market lights! These can be identified by the headcode box marker lights being closer than normal.
The other thing is, in late 1989, Railfreight installed a brand new computerised washing plant, at Motherwell depot, where the loco stood still, and the washing plant moved along the loco, a bit like a Tesco car wash! The driver chose the wash function, keyed in the locomotive number, or numbers, as it could take pairs of 37s, and then stood and watched the washer do the work! 37051 was the first loco to be washed by the new machine!
Lastly, I'd love Accurascale to do a 47! Would be great to see them compared to a Bachmann 47.
Great review. I really enjoy the intro with the history of the loco.
Cheers. I really enjoy doing my history research so I’m glad you enjoyed that part too.
As always another great update
Great review Dave. I've got both and enjoy both of them. Like you I think the Accurascale 37 is slightly better. People are to quick to knock the Bachmann 37, but I think it's a great rendition.
In this hobby, like a lot of things in life, have become far too polarized. You either like A OR B, but you can’t like both! You have to nail your colours to the mast. Which is total nonsense. It’s ok to like and appreciate both models, both brands and not have to take sides. Sadly there are a growing number of ‘modellers’ who now think like that. Silly really.
@@DeanPark I agree Dave.
Hi Dave
Enjoyed the review
I’ve got new Bachmann and accurascale I don’t do sound but accurascale edge it with the seamless nose join and the snow ploughs for me.
Only issue I’ve had is the head code box covers at one end became detached in transit I popped them back in but one box is missing it’s handrail
Rails of Sheffield where I ordered it said when they receive spares from accurascale they’ll replace them. Guess that’s the only downside of these super detail models lots of fragile bits.I’m not selling my earlier Bachmann 37/4’s as I think they’re still good models plus all my Bachmann runs like a dream.
Keep the videos coming Dave I’d love to have room for a layout that size 🙂
Cheers. Yeah you’re right. The more detail, the more possibilities that parts fall off.
Great review, sir. It seems there is no wrong choice between Bachmann & Accurascale. For me, I would go for the Accurascale due to the price difference of the DCC Ready versions and the fact that the previous Bachmann model was a pretty good machine and is now available for around £100, if you can find some "new-old stock". Which means I'll probably buy an "old" Bachmann, come to think of it!
My fascination with the class 37 started as a small boy, watching them collecting trip-worked coal wagons from the mine where my dad worked. There were dozen (hundreds even) of them stabled at Cardiff Canton, and they could be seen all over South Wales, growling around hauling seemingly unbelievably heavy loads. They even triple (or was is quad?) headed the heaviest trains in the country between Port Talbot & Llanwern steelworks. Amazing machines.
Along with the class 20s, they are definitely my favourite non-steam powered locos.
It is apt that most were built at The Vulcan Foundry, as they have certainly "lived long and prospered"!
Haha, yes they certainly have prospered. :-) glad you enjoyed it and thanks for taking the time to give such great feedback and an insight into why these locos are special to you. Cheers. Dave
I went with four more bachmann model 37s as I already had half a dozen of them in my fleet. This way they they can easily run with my bachmann class 20’s, 24s , 25s and 47,s also. Just made sense for me as I was already well down the bachmann road.
That’s fair enough. And a good point about running with other Bachmann models.
What a great review Dave! You took on a real challenge and came up with an objective assessment. There is a place for both, but Bachmann need to sharpen their pencils to keep up.
Cheers Andy. There was a fair bit of effort went into that to get it all researched and filmed. But feedback on here let’s me know that by the overwhelming majority, it’s been welcomed and appreciated.
Great overview of both of these models here Dave, to be honest I think there is room for both and there are good and bad for both, for me at the moment it is going to be bachmann ones that I purchase in the future because they have a lot more choice available in terms of livery, the versions I am currently looking at are the bachmann 37430 Cwmbran in large logo and 37401 Mary Queen of Scots in the intercity livery, my main reason for going for these two models at the moment over any of the accurascale ones is because I really like the look of them however that isn’t saying that I’m not going to maybe look at an accurascale one in the future, it’s just their selection at the moment doesn’t really contain any versions that I really want, one version I would like is a coal sector version so if accurascale do one of those that may be an accurascale class 37 being added to my fleet, another reason for me going with Bachman at the moment is because some places are actually selling the standard dc versions which are the ones I need as I’m still not a dcc user they are being sold now between £160 and £200 if you know where to look for them, those are my reasons for Bachmann at the moment, they just have a better selection available compared to accurascale at the moment in my view. as I say I haven’t completely ruled out an accurascale one, they just need to announce one that would peak my interest.
Yea there are a lot of people who will happily live with either or both models on their layouts. It’s all down to the individual one you fancy buying. So for me…if it’s a Scottish machine that ran in my era it’s got a chance of being bought!…if the price is right!
To me sound has always sounded like it’s in a biscuit tin in 00 but accurascale seem to have got around this really well and the detail and ploughs plus the saving wins it for me. Plus the customer service and box presentation you touched on is second to none where the support material is worth displaying with a model is a level no other manufacturer has gone.
It has the elements of being a special product! The whole package from box to info booklets, it all compliments the model inside.
It sure does Dave. I got the Railfreight 92 the exclusive boxes are a work of art. Can’t wait to see how 50149 sits alongside the 37s and 92
Your layout detailing is awesome... just awaiting my first accurascale class 37 delivery....👍
Thanks. :-) I hope you enjoy your accurascale 37. If it’s sound fitted you won’t be disappointed.
Excellent review Dave as per. I ordered the Accurascale 37027 because I wanted to fit both snow ploughs and pipes, which you can't do on the Bachmann version. The snowploughs were a bugger to fit as the holes for the centre plough weren't quite big enough and I had to make them slightly larger with a pin drill. 2 out of 10. I also had to do the same for one of the pipes. The sound when the loco moves and accelerates is certainly very impressive, but the horn sounds are feeble. The sound files on my new Bachmann class 101 green speed whiskers DMU have horns sounds that put Accurascale's in the shade; same applies for the guard whistle. I daresay I could address these issues with CV adjustments. However, I have had to send my loco back to Rails of Sheffield since it developed a running fault - it barely moves even on full throttle, and all this after I had added a train crew and applied some light weathering. It ran perfectly for a week, but it is now on it's way back to Sheffield. I waited 18 months for this loco, so again 2 out of 10. In my limited experience to date I have to say that Bachmann factory fitted DCC sound locos have proved the most reliable.
Wow, that’s an interesting insight. You’ve not had a great time of it. Thanks for the heads up about the detailing too. The horns on the bachmann are certainly louder.
As for that dmu sound fitted from bachmann… it’s good isn’t it? I heard it and it is so characteristic of the 101. Was really impressed! If only they’d do a three car one! :-(
Looks a great model, waiting for mine to arrive. Very much hoping it is as reliable long term motor wise as Bachmann models are, as had repeated issues with the Deltic's
Yes I hope so too. Bachmann used to be seen as the gold standard for reliability, but recent issues with their 37 motors etc have rocked that claim a little.
Hi Dave great review thanks for sharing. I've only got bachmann 37s at present but do have 2 accurascale on pre order. I have however fitted roads and rails sound in my bachmanns with upgraded speakers. I do like my bachmann and I'm eagerly awaiting the accurascale. Thanks again for another honest review cheers Andy
Cheers Andy, I think if you like the bachmann model you won’t be disappointed with the accurascale ones!
Always enjoy your videos, how many miles would it have covered before being scrapped ?
Now that’s a good question! A few million I’d imagine. Thanks for watching too :-)
Have you considered becoming a Great Western steam modeller? I’d like to see your comparison of the Dapol and Accurascale Manors when they’re both out.
Haha. No. I can’t afford to start another region and era. Although I’m sure the manors from both will be really impressive.
A great review, I personally would be very happy owning either class 37, although I am considering purchasing an Accurascale 37 to add to my Bachmann 37
Same here. I own both and will continue to buy both. As they are lovely models. Well done to bachmann and accurascale.
Awesome train layout 🙂😃😎
Downright tasty - AS have my order (BR green - D6704) and have for quite a while so its good to learn that its been worth the wait
Enjoy it! A lovely model.
I just picked up the Accurascale Carl Haviland over the weekend. I'm new to the hobby and I love the detail of my class 37. Also the stay alive feature is billiant too. I haven't had much running time with the model as of yet, but I am hoping to over this weekend. An excellant review, I'm sure whichever people choose they wil love theirs
Enjoy! I love shunting mine around the depot….the throttle and grumble as it idles. Spot on.
@@DeanPark I'm tempted to get another one of the class 37's I'm loving mine :)
Great review Dave. Personally I prefer the Acurrascale one even though I never liked the petroleum livery.
I think the 37 and 47’s suit this livery so well. Ok it’s not going to be as good as a large logo, but the horizontal lines on the grey panels show the 37 body off really well
Surprised you deemed the sound close - its nowhere near close.
Also surprised you didn’t mention the Stay Alive also - super handy. Can lift it clear off the track for 3-4 seconds with sound playing still.
All in all, makes the Accurascale the better model.
The sound file is close. There is nothing in that. But I did say the speaker on the acc model made it better.
I mentioned a heck of a lot. And if I’m honest, I could have gone on and on, but don’t want to bore the average viewer with every single detail.
But, yes. all in all it’s a win for accurascale.
I have an exact same model, but I have found that the headlights are only barely noticable when you look at it really closely, What is yours like? And yes the switches are correctly positioned. Mine was purchased with sound already on board.
Yea they aren’t the brightest, I highlighted that in my video too. There will be cv values that can be changed. But I’ve not looked into it yet.
They were dim in real life. In reality most of our models lights are too bright! I turned them down in the past.
As someone who has several of the previous bachmann 21-pin release of mostly 37/4s (and a couple of the earlier 8-pin ones), the new plux22 release (mine is 430) is a slight improvement, but not too much of note (mostly bogie chains and the fan grille tbh). Whereas the accurascale one (mine is 423) has several new features, like the cab control lights and the first time WIPACs have been seen on 37s in rtr. I prefer the accurascale one, but neither have really had a chance to run since purchasing them because of moving house a year ago.
I’m having fun running both brands of 37 along with my Bachmann 47’s…which are fantastic too!
Two fantastic models …. Very healthy for the hobby to have a little competition, which is to an extent missing in N gauge
Accurascale are surely going to move into n gauge?!
I’ve got my decoder from Accurascale, I’ve also got my Accurathrash speaker…….. I just need my 37 043 Loch Lomond to put them in 😬😬 can’t wait!!!
I hope you enjoy it when it arrives
I worked on these for BR, then Loadhaul and finally EWS for going on 15 years. I haven't received my Accurascale model yet, but based on these clips I'd have to say that I prefer the sound of the engine idling, and the horns, on the Bachmann model, although the cold start on the accurascale sounds good and the "failed"? start on the Bachmann is just silly. Each to their own I guess.
Both being from loco recordings they are both good sound files. The Horn is a bit sharper on the bachmann model though.
Great video thanks
Thanks :-)
For those of us that grew up south of the Thames you can add 33 and 73 to the iconic list. How many steam classes can boast the longevity of these 4 diesel/electro diesel classes?
I’d say the 33 was certainly one of the successes, don’t know enough about the 73, but it’s lasted a long time too!
I agree with the Accurasale being the better of the two, but the engine note only came on when the train was already moving. The Bachmann version acceleration started as the model moved. Which one is right. Martin. (Thailand) but in England for about three weeks.
Sometimes the loco will coast a little before opening up! It’s strange but I’ve seen it on many real locos. It’s like the driver has taken the brake off and just notched in into life. Before giving it the beans.
Excellent review and fair. Sound can be a personal preference. The Accurascale has the nice deep base on the thrash and Bachmann has some improvements on other parts of the sound files. I guess the price is better from Accurascale but same as you, I think there is a place for both suppliers. Roads and Rails has some ideas for Bachmann speaker improvements which may be worthwhile, however when comparing sound and lighting functions with earlier models there is little to complain about.
Exactly. There is nothing we can really complain about. If people are then I think they are getting just a little too fussy. We’ve become spoiled and sone people are never content. But ain’t that the same in all areas of life! Cheers. Dave
9:51 What is the little spike please on front of the engine....is it a radio ??
Yeah ‘cab to shore’ radio, these were fitted on 37’s and 47’s at the end of the 80’s onwards.
Great side by side review. I'll be in a minority but I think Bachmann just edge it. Its that lovely deep yellow paintwork , AS 37 yellow looks a little insipid in comparison . That detailing, sound and buffer beam are great tho.
Hard to tell as they are different liveries. A blue accurascale will make the yellow look stronger than they grey
@@Ste1952 Good point. I have 37409 "Lord Hinton" on pre-order so will find out ....fingers crossed.
@@Ste1952agreed, I think we will just have to wait for the blue Accurascale ones. That being said, Bachmann has been very well known for quite a while for really good paintwork.
@@ModelRailwayFan38 True. they’re also well known for reliable running yet the internets full of the opposite with these models. times are changing :)
There are pros and cons to each model, but they are both beautiful examples. As I run DC the sounds and functions don't interest me so it would be down to the livery suiting my layout. Cheers
Livery and era are key for me too.
Hi Dave great video. I have both models on Irvine Central. For me I prefer the looks of the Accurascale model, liveries are great and buffer beam detail looks superb v Bachmann. However in running i find the Bachmann handles some tighter curves on the inner parts of the layout far better than the Accurascale model. Will i buy both, yes, but the Bachmann (old beer commercial quote) reaches the parts that some others don't.
That’s interesting to know, thanks. Yeah I’ll be buying both. If the Iivery and running number is scottish (or just too nice to resist) then I’ll save up for it!
These are both fantastic models. I haven’t picked up ether model yet, as I was waiting for a comparison like this, but I have to say I think Accurascale have only just bet Bachmann. I think both models are about equal in terms of detail, and it would be basically impossible to chose a model based on that factor. The running characteristics of both are amazing as well, and if it isn’t exactly how you want it you could probably change the momentum settings on the decoder. In terms of sound though, I think that is the reason why Accurascale only just win. The sound is slightly cleaner, and you can hear the engine rumble slightly better. The Bachmann has its ups to though in my opinion with the sound, as I remember in your original review on that model that there was some sort of sound in the start-up that I liked better, but that’s preference more than anything, as I could not tell you which sounds more realistic. More than anything, I think Accurascale win, particularly due to their slightly better sound, but more so because of their pricing. To me, it just seems obvious which model to go for when both are equally as good, but one is slightly cheaper. I will be interested to hear what others have to say though, and I’m looking forward to seeing what both companies have in store for us in the future.
Edit: sorry that was a ridiculously long comment…
Thanks for taking the time to give me such a detailed bit of feedback. No need to apologise. :-) cheers. Dave
No doubt Accurascale has the better grumble, the Bachmann sounding thin, but the poor Accurascale horns never challenge the Bachmann. Other sites have commented upon pulling power, but who wants to tow a brick around their layout? Thanks a great review and comparison.
Yes… people seem rather obsessed with pulling power…both of these locos are powerful beasts!
The horn is specific to the model - and is recorded from the real thing (and is different in each direct, like the real one)_ If you ask me it's one of the bets features of the sound file, unlike 'insert generic horn here' we've had before
I have two 37's Loch Eil and Loch Lomond both high gloss finish by TMC and snowploughs and bufferbeam details fitted by my traindoctor. Loch Eil has Legomanbiffo sound fitted by TMC while Loch Lomond has Factory sound which I still haven't heard because I don't have a layout. Further more I have a 10 year old Bachmann 37417 with Factory sound and I still like it but a bit outperformed by the two Accurascale 37's.
I have 417 with sound too. Great loco, despite its age. I do Love a 37! :-)
@@DeanPark Definitely David ! It was my only 37 for a long time. In fact I have now three 37's with three different Sound decoders/systems. Loch Eil (still without snowploughs) and the 37417 can be seen and heard on my CZcams account. From what I have understood the Loch Lomond seems to have the best sound.
I have an Accurascale Deltic Sutherland Highlander that has stunning Factory Sound !
Best Greetings from Australia
I would say accura knock the Bachmann out the park, as the Bachmann snowploughs and windscreens suck, but that unrealistic hinge handrail thing on the roof is something I can’t get over. The obvious solution will be buying from later batches if they sort that out
They are just not fitting 100% 'in the hole' - push them down and they are bang on
The thin glazing on the accurascale is fantastic. But it’s the snow plough thing that really separates them for me as a Scottish modeller.
When I was a kid my dad got me in the cab going from Exeter to Par. The thing is I cannot remember the number.
Wow, that is on my bicker list. To be in a 37!cab…have driven a 47. The 37 is next lol
@@DeanPark I cannot remember the number, my dad was a signalman I have pulled the levers turned the wheel to open the gates. Old school.
i totally agree with you on cold start up the accurescale has it hands down BUT if you gp for a non sound one from accurescale is that you have to use accurescale decoder no other one will fit the problem is that they don't say that where bachmann you can shoose any decoder which is a shame
Any 21 pin decoder works just fine - I have a spare zimo in one of mine - ask accurascale support for the aux function mappings if you are using a non supplied decoder - you just need a 6 function 21 pin chip
@@jamesthatcher4190 i tryed a dapol decoder and it didn;t fit has to be a certain size so i just got accurascale one
They are both very good looking models, but I prefer the Accurascale as It has better detail, sounds better and it's cheaper, I've got a couple of Accurascales on order and am looking forward to running them with my Accurascale Deltics. The noise is going to be deafening 😅😅😅😅
Accurascale really doesn't seem to make any poor models and they are so competitively priced. Shows up Hornby as over priced for the market. I have the old Bachmann class 37 model and I'm happy with it for now until funds are available.
They have extremely well since entering the market. Although the perfect model still doesn’t exist. Even from accurascale 😆
Hi Dave does your start move speed step 8 with the sound on
Sorry, what do you mean? “Does your start move speed step 8”?
Yes it does. Just wanted to know if yours did the same . My accurscale 37/4 start on speed step 1
Hi Dave cvs for changing the light brightness is cv 31=16 cv 32=0 cv 262 and 270 are set at 5. Go upto 31 the car light already on 31. To make your 37 move on step 1 cv 124=0 and cv2=2. Kind regards Simon
HI Dave
I love watching your channel and you have been tremendous help to me and have helped me with my modeling but of late i think you have been featuring too many under close inspection videos This is only my opinion and i am missing your actual work on building your layout which i find very helpful and a real joy to watch
hope you don't mind me commenting on this. It is good to review new products but i do miss your actual building of your layout videos
Hi, thanks for your feedback, and of course I don’t mind you being honest and letting me know.
I feel the same. However progress on the layout comes down to a few factors, which if you don’t mind I’ll explain.
1) I now scratch build most of my structures, and my builds take months. I like to do it right! :-) So I don’t make as quick/enough progress to justify a layout video every 2-3 weeks.
This should change when I get my incline wall in place, scenic work should progress quicker after that. But scratch builds make my layout unique and that slows visual progress.
2) this hot summer weather, this stops progress on the layout. My reviews and other non layout videos therefore are the only option to keep followers entertained in the meantime as I’m not up the loft as much for those.
3) my family circumstances have slightly changed at the moment.
4) my work has been very busy of late, and when I come home I don’t always have the energy to work on the layout as much as I’d like.
I hope that is helpful. I do love layout building most of all. But life gets in the way of my hobby sometimes.
Thanks for the explanation Dave and I do understand, still looking forward to watching your videos
Sound is so much cleaner to my ears from accurascale
It is a better speaker set up. No one can really deny that. They’ve done well!
For me it would the ViTrains Class 37 as it was made in Italy, not China.
I think it’s accurascale.
Agreed but both are good and nice to see the effort
What's your opinion on class 55s
They are Lovely models. But not without their assembly issues…Ie bits falling off. I did a full review on those last year, check it out on my channel.
Great honest review mate ....really enjoyed the video
Hi, thanks 😊 cheers. Dave
i hope they make enough of these for me to be able to get one in 20 years
Accurascale is literally destroying the Market in the last few months with the class 92 and now with the class 37.
Bachmann and Hornby, etc are still doing extremely well in their own areas. But there is no doubt that the 92 and now 37 are both terrific models.
Accurscale sound is superior and feels more representative.
The sound reproduction on the Bachmann is just awful.
Good sound file, let down a bit on the speakers!
Honest opinion the Bachmann sounds like it’s coming from inside a plastic body where as the Accurascale sounds less inhibited and therefore crisper and cleaner.
@@eddherring4972, it is coming from inside a plastic body 😝
@@robd2184 yes but it’s not supposed to sound like it is
Alas when there are very close repetitions of models it will inevitably generate fan boys.
Just e-mailed AS as my Class 37 has still not shown up - orders years ago, paid for several months ago - NOT a great start.....aware that some users claim electrical issues as well - NOT great news. Perhaps they are too busy getting the MARK 2 version ready complete with working fan ?
If they don’t reply contact them via their fb page?
@@DeanPark - Thank you, they have replied asking is it was Pre Order - YES - YEARS AGO - I gave them the order detailsin my e-mail - frankly its enough to make a person buy Hornby.....
The Accurascale Pulled away a bit suddenly, and a driver would have been pushed back into his seat on a full scale (Prototype ). I don't know if this was because of your cpontrolling of the model but it was a bit sudden for it to go from a complete halt to nearly six mph. The bachmann was much smoother in starting to move. My N scale models can do a realistic pull away and I use DC - Not DCC, plus or otherwise. And in spite of your opinion, I think the Bachmann had better sound.
That was my over zealous controller fingers lol. But it can be a bit quick off the mark. I’m tweaking cv3 to solve this. I do this to most sound locos I get now. They all go off too quick as a factory setting.
@@DeanPark I'm Glad it can Be Adjusted using a CV setting. However, I feel that converting to DCC would be far too expensive for me, what with the price of the control system being close on £400 and the individual chips being close to £40 each for n gauge (not to mention the sheer dearth of space inside one of these locos, even if they could be converted). So I'm going to stick to plain old DC i'm afraid. I use a vintage H&M Duetteto run things here.
@@Morganstein-Railroad The accurascale 37 runs like butter on DC - you should try one
@@jamesthatcher4190 As Explained by Dean Park Himself, That was a combination of his own controlling and the The fact that he hadn't set up CV3 at this point. Besides, I run N Gauge and also American Outline. I only watch Dean Park because I find him engaging and I like to see what is happening Across the ENTIRE hobby, not just my personal area of interest.
You will find for some reason the loco won't move untill at least notch 3- out of 27 thats why it doesn't move away slowly. you can then reduce to notch one and it runs nice and slow. It runs correctly with sound off so would imagine a cv issue
Bachmann for me sounds alot better as well :#)
Thanks for your thoughts. It really is down to personal taste. Both excellent models.
Do they have same speaker
that makes a lot of difference
You can't buy any Accurascale class 37 today, May 2024. Everything out of stock. On their website, everything out of stock or you can pre-order a loco in colours you don't even want. I've never in my life seen a website where over 95% of what they sell is out of stock. I also perceive Accurascale as an elite exclusive club, which I never want to be a part of. I want to go online to a model railway shop and find most locos in stock, where I can order one today and it will be delivered by the end of next week. Maybe I'm too normal 😬
Yup, I can understand you’re frustration. Most of their stock sells out on pre order both on their website and in their retail network.
It’s not just a case with accurascale. Cavalex class 56 locos we’re all but sold out on pre order, this has been the case with other small companies too.
But companies are doing so many variations in one production run, that results in less of each being produced. So hence they sell out on pre order. If they only didn’t 2-3 liveries in each production run then they’d have more of each made. But then it might stay in stock longer…and these smaller companies (even the bigger ones like Hornby and Bachmann) can’t afford to have stock sitting! They need the models to sell through quickly to invest in the next new release. Unless you’re costs are being back rolled by a large retailer who will take the majority of your stock and sell it through quickly.
There is No easy answer in today’s competitive and crowded market place.
Both nice models but the Bachmann 37 is far too expensive! Both models have far too much detail and therefore out of the range of a lot of modellers.
Nice video.
Thanks for your comment. They certainly aren’t cheap that’s for sure!
Sadly there are those in this hobby who demanded more and more and more detail. Wi try out realising that this costs money. Then the same people moan about the prices. And these, as you say, put it out of range for a lot of modellers.
I’ve taken to pre ordering and paying it up but by bit. So I can afford new models.
Both are excellent models and both have negative points.
Bachmanns model as a static exhibit is brilliant. The bodie chains are overscale but in my opinion capture them right for a 00 model. The linking arm is present which isn't on the accurascale.
The down points to the accurascale model are the indents for the lamp irons, the shallow nose bonnet doors and the over prominoot doors around the exhaust ports.
The bachmann lets itself down internally with no room for improvement with a speaker upgrade and it has gone to 22 pin so you can't transfer decoders from the older bachmann model.
The accurascale trumos it on sound file, speaker set up and cab lighting.
The soundfile on the accurascale model is centuries apart from bachmanns and you get unrefurbished and refurbished sound that replicates the real thing. The bachmann sound file as a die hard 37 man, is poor. No characteristic difference between sub types and the sound muffles as you open it up and it tries to be a mix of both sub types. Not good enough.
When it comes to the buffer beam, how bachmann can tool a top class model and provide accessories for hornby railroad, beggers belief.
Accurascale when detailed, phenomenal whether you want full detail or working tension lock. It is all covered.
Two fine models but one lets itself down on the features when you look beyond the appearance.
Accurascale wins for me, but bachmann could come back into the game with a couple of easy mods and a drop in price to match.
Thanks for that detail. I think bachmann will need to get real and cut their price! As I won’t be keen to pay £340-50 for a deluxe sound one with inferior speakers and £90 extra when I can get an accurascale one.
No models are perfect. I’m sure both companies will tweak and develop their product from here. Accurascale take on. Lard feedback. For example with their Deltics… the second batch will be improved.
@@DeanPark definitely room for both but bachmann need to cater for those of us that want decent sound with a DCC ready model that you can fit a speaker larger than a sugar cube in. It is a great model to look at, but hasn't been thought about anything beyond what they want to offer.
As you say Dave room for both but I have a friend who has 2 of the standard Bachmann model and he is far from happy with the running quality but he also say he won’t ever have an Accurascale model his choice. my personal opinion is no to Accurascale due to quality control issues with reading on other pages the issue of parts still loose in the box and the nose end doors just look like an afterthought, looking at the photos at the start of your review you can clearly see the doors are welded up so until such improvements on the model my hard earned cash will stay well and truly in my pocket but keep the fare and honest reviews coming
Cheers. I have to say, I have had finishing issues with all brands. But this particular loco came to me in perfect condition. It’s certainly a better level of assembly quality than on their first Deltic loco.
"Golden age of 00 modelling" or golden age of RTR products?
What's the difference?
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@@jamesthatcher4190 modelling isn't reliant on the availability of RTR equipment.
Modelling is anything you want it to be. Kit bashing a ready to plant house, making a tunnel and covering it in static grass, making a fully functioning layout and buying excellent ready to run models.
“Modelling’ is different to everyone. It’s a golden age for our hobby.
Not everyone has an interest in buying up old models just and do them up. Cutting and splicing and filling and sanding.
For me “modelling “ isn’t just that. It’s building a layout, fitting details to a model, weathering a wagon, adding detailing items to make a layout look like a moment in time.
It’s a broad church. Where not everyone counts rivets. Each to their own. And we should all be feeling jolly lucky we are in this hobby for our own enjoyment.
@@DeanPark there's a whole spectrum of railway modelling, at one end you have tinplate, at the other Beeson, Vic Green, Tiny Reynolds, etc.ost of us are somewhere in-between.
Modelling is a broad church but railway modelling could exist with RTR - just look at the S Scale Society and the amazing modelling its members produce!
@@jameswells6003 Exist perhaps, be mainstream - no
Your diction is quite poor. I'm Scottish and at times I have to rewind to pick up what you've been saying.
Really? What parts.
But glad you appreciate the many hours of research and time that went in to it.
@@DeanPark CZcams automatically generated subtitles don't have a problem with the commentary.
As a non-Scot I have absolutely no problem understanding any of the Dean Park video commentaries.
Horns much better on the Bachmann
sound or detail?
@@Ste1952 sound
@@GregPalmer1000hard to say, both sound pretty darn good. Overall I think the sound is better on Accurascale’s though.
That’s a fair point. What I didn’t do on the video and found out after is that depending on what direction you are going in the horn tones can sound different. Which (like my class 40) is a cool touch.
@@DeanPark This is on the Bachmann one?
Aye, she's a belter.