Families of Killers | Our America with Lisa Ling | Full Episode | OWN
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- In moments of national grief, we look for answers. But what if you were related to the perpetrator, if they were your own flesh and blood? In this episode of “Our America,” Lisa Ling meets several individuals-the Unabomber’s brother, a serial killer's daughter, a school shooter's father-as they share their unique experiences of shame, guilt and love. (Original air date: March 12, 2013)
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Families of Killers | Our America with Lisa Ling | Full Episode | OWN
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Lisa Ling is a TREMENDOUS reporter - she deserves much more recognition than she gets.
Say that one more time for the people in the back!!!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Does anyone else notice that the black man killed one person and got the death penalty whereas the white men went on mass murder sprees and got jail time. Smfh. America really makes me sick sometimes
Always like that, unfortunately. People act blind to it. Really is sickening
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and he was veteran, too bad
Makes me sick too, I'm glad Heaven will be my home, earth is passing away.
Yep. Happens all the time
What they didn’t mention about Andy the school shooter, is that his “friends” introduced him to a man that sexually molested him, piling him with drugs and alcohol. The school didn’t do anything to help when he tried to report it and said he felt suicidal. The man who molested him is now in prison. Lots of people let that boy down and if people had listened the tragedy might not have happened. So many ruined lives.
That's a huge piece of the problem to leave out. Sexual abuse ruins lives.
People suck and it’s the reason why some lose it and find no other way out of their hell. I feel for the families especially the female who has done nothing but is a victim herself not of her father but of society and how cold and brutal they can be to a person just trying to live. I kinda wish I knew her so I could be there for her in this cruel world. She is alone.
very sad.
so sad & shame on the school & his so-called 'friends' & of course his predator
Damn good point Brighton. Also, Ted Kacynski was part of the mkultra experiments while he was in college. Who knows how much that effected him.
I really admire the compassion that Lisa Ling shows when she is conducting these interviews.
Yes, she does an amazing job! Some interviewers can appear so cold & uncaring.
I absolutely agree. A nice refreshment from oprah.
Same
She is classy...one of the best
@@allisontaylor1818 she's one of my favorite journalists
I honestly don't think Lisa Ling gets all the recognition she truly deserves ijs look at how long she's been reporting worldly news.. she's literally out in these streets covering REAL LIVE stuff and never shows an ounce of fear even when she's out reporting in these 3rd world countries..there's episodes where I'm literally over here biting my nails with anxiety watching her at some of these places shes at👀..thats what i call PASSION and DEDICATION!!!💞✨💞✨💞✨
i totally agree with you!
Change this to developing countries please 🙏
I agreed with you she is a great reporter
AGREED !!! Just out here risking her life to tell us the real deal !!! I pray she stays safe !!!!
So called "3rd world" nations can sometimes be better than the supposedly developed ones
We need to pay attention to the mental health of kids as they grow up the same way we pay attention to their physical health.
we need to teach people about mental health treatment, trauma, the onset, the warning signs and stigma in highschool.
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Yes !
Completely agree.
Lol you really think they pay attention to physical health. I got physically ill as a teenager and it took 11 years to diagnose.
the friendship between David and Bill brought tears to my eyes...
Same. So heartwarming. In tragedy they found friendship 😭❤️
😭
Me too !!
I’m so glad they have each other. Bill especially seems to really need that friendship.
Me too. They both seem like wonderful people.
This reporter tells their stories in a way that makes (or should make) us all think about how we judge and treat people. Families of the criminals aren’t criminals - they, too are victims. She has done an excellent job with this documentary. Thank you.
Well said, we can all be a little more empathetic
yes she has.....
You have to look her up, she’s one of the best.
Well said. Thank u
💜 Lisa Ling!!!
I'm sure many parents in that town with the school shooting were judging the father when they needed to be taking a look in the mirror because if he was a bad parent what types of parents were you when it was your children bullying and beating on that boy that drove him to this extent... everyone needs to be looking at how they're parenting and how they're communicating with their children.
I think your right but in a moment of grief I doubt you can be insightful enough through the anger and sadness of loosing your baby
@@jenrhemgotcha1417 I completely agree. Unfortunately in those moments often times we show anger towards another person but imagine the grief that father was also experiencing. It's heart-wrenching all the way around for everyone involved.
So well said you’re right, it’s so much easier to shame and judge others on they’re parenting especially when they are already down and in a severely bad place... so heartbreaking how judgmental and critical others are, instead of helping or offering support. The story with Amber also really is, heart shattering.💔
How many adults are bullies themselves? Read the comment section of almost every topic, and you'll see how cruel, mean, and hateful so many people are. If you're a parent or someone close to young kids and behave like a bully, you are at fault for young bullies. You taught them!
@@staberow That PART
Lisa Ling's so sensitive when talking to victims, not 'interviewing' them but literally having a personal discussion with them, she's always so professionally tasteful. My heart goes out to all of those suffering in their lives due to family members who murdered and/or maimed others.
very very professional
Agreed.. I love her she’s awesome 🤩
She is the polar opposite of Nancy Grace.
@@HaywoodJablomi_420 Yes, Nancy is a wee mite aggressive...but she's very thorough, sometimes she's a little harsh however this most likely stems from her loss of her first fiance having been murdered which is what led Nancy Grace into the field of criminal journalism and investigation. Love Lisa Ling!
@@midnightmadness5307 I know Nancy's past, its weird how she always assumes the husband is the killer given her own past. I mean she ALWAYS goes after the husband or father first.
They are NEVER supposed to reveal who the informant was to an offender. That cop should NOT have a badge.
Yes, that's true. The officer endangers the life of the informant. That behaviour should hold a penalty.
Not all offenders have the ability to remain anonymous. This is why inmates have A "paperwork" party when someone arrives onto a cell block. If a person was an informant, that will be evident within the pages of a transcript from the trial & meetings _will_ be within the pages. The fellow inmates are then able to handle that person accordingly.
Some people will only become informants under certain circumstances... Totally anonymity for some. Partial or none for others.
@@user-el3iw6rz3m That, alone, could discourage people from reporting a suspect. The fact is that I would report a sibling if I genuinely suspected they had committed a murder. I could never live with the guilt if they killed again. Thankfully, my family is a very caring and law abiding one.
Thats why people dont like going to the police with information. They say to give them the information
I feel sympathy for Andy’s Dad,he may not be the very best parent but he looks like he tried his best😭
And I feel a lot of our parents out there are really trying their best truly heartbreaking and tragic
Lisa Ling is a treasure! Telling stories most of us would never hear.
I love her. Unlike most reporters that just want to exploit their subject, it's obvious she actually cares.
Yea, I just love the stories she does. I wish she would do more. She is amazing. And she doesn't judge, pick sides, she just foes a great story.
I love how engaged she is with the people she’s interviewing. She doesn’t interrupt them either.
So well written and greatly said she’s certainly one of the best global in-depth journalists, reporters, and interviewers present...💚
i just thought the same
I love that Bill and David has found brotherhood with each other.
It’s wonderful, I think. They did the right thing, imo, as hard as it was.
Right is right and wrong is wrong that is why it is called MURDER!!!!
@@alvindavis991 👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
@@alvindavis991 Yes murder is a terrible sin. If only the offenders had gotten mental health care and complied with consistent treatment before they snapped it would have been so different. You can't force sick people into getting help, even when its obvious to their loved ones that they need it.
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Dang! As a Veteran, African American, & psychiatric nurse practitioner, my heart breaks for my fellow Vet. My great grandfather raised me and was a WWII Vet. He told me many stories of how he was treated as an African American soldier during & after the war. Bill’s brother’s story tugs at my heart & is a prime example of the mistreatment & misdiagnosis of not only Veterans but even African Americans who have fought for this country.
My heart hurts for the nearly 80 year old victim.
@@judyivie4181 it is possible to acknowledge the victimhood of the vet AND the terrible tragedy and cruelty of the crime he committed. I also believe that by understanding his trauma and addressing their cause can help prevent future crimes.
I cant help but think how is it the Uni bomber and mass school shooter didnt also get the chair..... Fair? hella NO
Thank you for your service
@@Mrbiscuit70 children can’t be sentenced to death. The Uni Bomber was tried in a different state with different laws. Although I do agree that the uni bomber should have been put to death, kids definitely shouldn’t be. I think with the exceptions of the uni bomber and Yates the other tragedies were completely avoidable.
It angers me, how so so many young smart beautiful men lost their way and suffered so terribly after Vietnam and the government that made that Happen, couldn't even help. Sickens me
The US Government wouldn't help, still haven't helped the Veterans that have protected our freedom!
@@laurakramer396 exactly! And now history repeats itself with our Middleastern war vets
It s not only Vietnam...
@@ninachkah13 my brother was a Sailor in the 1st Gulf War and his 2 daughters were Marines in the 2nd Gulf War.
@@laurakramer396 God bless them all!!!! I hope they are faring well
They’re not snitches ...they did the only thing a brother and a human being could do ...
🎯🎯🎯🎯 right!
They did the only thing those with humanity can do. You have to do the least amount of harm in this world. Allowing your family to continue hurting people is a monstrous thing to do.
@@thankyounext365 absolutely agree with you ...
Absolutely very very commendable to turn the brother, I do not agree with the death penalty.
Snitches?
Ha! Haters just haten’
Telling your child that you love them is important. Tell them everyday multiple times a day. Look them in the eyes, hug them, they need to hear it.
It’s my favorite thing in the world to do. It breaks my heart people need to be reminded of this. 😓💔
I want to say i love you to my child
Hell I need it I'm 41 lol
Are you trying to say these people didn’t get showed enough love? Just curious.
@@deaf2819 growing up in my family we never have told"i love you"one to another..but are just words i lake yo tell and hear
Lisa Ling is the GOAT of journalism.
I’m glad Bill and David met. They have a connection no one would want. God bless them. They did the right thing. 🙏🏻✝️
That brotherly relationship Bill and David have 😭 The beauty that can come from tragedy. God bless both for doing the right thing 🙌🏻💙🙏🏻
I to am so happy they have each other- they share a bond that they can both truly understand. Bill & David are such good people! ♥️
2 beautiful souls
Well said. Was it David that asked Bill or said to him, I hope you haven’t wanted to end your life. Now only someone who understands the pain, gets it! 🙏🏾
@@Survivor58
Suicide is never an answer.
I'm not talking about euthanasia.
That's different.
But suicide is never an answer to money or relationship problems.
There is help out there, I hope people can access it.
I think it was wrong for the officer to tell Ted his brother had turned him in. This is one reason many people would have information and never tell police because they like to call informants name to much. They must know when not to say some things.
Cops are durty!!!
I agree
Police officers are liars. They are bad people with the ability and permission to ruin lives.
I bet he told him so he'd feel betrayed by his brother and spill the beans. No thought for his brother at all.
yeah this make me never want to help the cops in investigations, I don't want the criminals to know who turned them in. They really need to keep this anonymous.
I love how compassionate Lisa Ling is. You can tell she really cares about the people she interviews.
She's lovely.
Kick Nancy Grace outta town.....she's shocking.
Sarah UK 🙂
yes
@TheFlowerOfLove she showed us that and allowed us to connect the dots. That’s real journalism. She doesn’t insert her opinion or beliefs.
@TheFlowerOfLove What are you even talking about
She’s great, main reason I know it will be a good find!
The 2nd case really touched me. That man wasn't a monster. He was trained an condition to be a monster.
Exactly
He was executed bc he was black.
Monster
There should be the death penality in America. I bet that will curb some of the horrendous crimes.
@@judyivie4181 we do have the death penalty... it is not a deterrent
The fact that those two men found each other in such a sad situation warms my heart. Some people you're just meant to meet.
Bill and David have done the right thing. They are not snitchers
Lol you say it just like I do “snitchers “ lol
Snitches
Family on family is not "snitching", it LOVE.
Nobody seems to understand the meaning of being a “snitch”. A snitch is someone who does the crime with someone else and knowing they’re about to be caught, goes and tells on his partner.
Someone who has zero involvement in a crime, sees or hears something and goes and tells the police about it is not a snitch. That person is a human being with a conscious and a heart and knows telling is the right thing to do.
they had the heart to turn in their own loved ones to save other people from heartbreak with their loved ones...they are so strong
They would have absolutely never gotten ted , had his brother not turned him in..David you saved lives.
Totally correct
Exactly. The man would have used his brains and his survival skills to stay out of the way of any law. He wasnt stupid. If he hadnt been turned in.... He could have very easily still been out making problems for everyone.
Thankfully David did the right thing for us all.
@@memorialled_zeppelin-warew1346 Ted Kaczynski has a extremely high IQ, it's the reason he avoided the law for so long
Probably right. But the FBI might have caught him, if they hadn't wasted years on the criminal profile that he was a man in 30s, poorly educated, blue collar family man, living in the suburbs. Criminal profiling is a pseudoscience. The British govt' even did a study to see if criminal profiling was of any use. They found it wasn't. The FBI has never submitted to an audit of the BSU's effectiveness, because it would be embarrassing
Too bad Ted and the rest of these killers didn’t take out the people who needed to be taken out.
Being a single working parent.. is harder than anyone could ever know unless they’ve been there
Boo hoo.
Yep, it's something a person should do everything in their power to avoid.
@@TheVeek192 seriously?
It’s really excruciating. Spending time just trying to work and commute and school work so you can upgrade & stop working more than one job or endless overtime just to pay for the basics.
The poor Dad, If you can’t constantly be there for your children or like 1 day you move for a better job for you and your child, you can’t expect that your child will do something so awful.
I was so exhausted I did homework in the basement with the laundry machines so we had clothes to wear. I certainly never planned to be a single parent. I was married many years before my child was born. His so called friends making sure drink and class A drugs were above his child and me. Wasn’t staying for that, at all.
I left, thankfully my kids have only ever been rotten to me. Mainly been good humans.
@Indy Sanders thank you. Autocorrect spellcheck changed some words. I left my creep years ago.
I appreciate the heads up.
I cried for Manny and Amber- my mom got pregnant at 13 and her family turned away from her including that man in his early 20’s who was the father of her baby; I came two years later followed 4 younger kids…she was 29 when she passed away broken and poor- my Father’s parents raised me but people within the community tried discouraging her with the saying “ like mother; like daughter “ thankfully my grandparents never listened to them; I am so grateful for their even though they never hugged me or told me they loved me I knew they did-- I loved them too- may their souls Rest In Peace 😊 today I have a PhD in education😊
I’m sending you a big hug ! You’re an amazing person!!!!♥️💯‼️
👏👏👏👏👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Sending so much love to you ❤️
God bless you hun.. you are a very strong young lady.. never lose that strength, keep the faith with your head held high! Stay safe ! 💜🙏🤩✌️
That’s a story that touched me. I became pregnant young, 15. Even married the father. I raised my son for 10 months. But even though my husband had already turned 18 he was not ready to be a father. We love our son. My aunt an uncle adopted him. Promising to always have me in his life. I divorced. Went back to school. Even college and technical school. I married a couple more times. Had more children and a nice career, my aunt always sending me cards and pictures. But they moved constantly. Every year. I was told it was my uncles job. I don’t believe that any more. My aunt an uncle never told my son I was his birth mother. My family never included me in anything. I raised my children with love and encouraged educated. Now in my later years I’m sick with a rare disease. My children having some health issues now too. Praying they can’t beat this disease. My daughters are well educated. A nurse and a doctor, after my aunts death I contacted my son, told him that we always loved him. Soon I received a call. From the uncle threatening me. My mother finally admitted to me she had also been threatened to stay away. She never told me because she knew I would be hurt. I now know why my family never included us. They didn’t want my children around. Or me. Why? Maybe they thought my son would love us. I know now my son has been threatened too. And his children. Grandchildren I’m not even allowed to send a gift to on their birthday. How cruel! I’ve looked at the situation. I’m a good mother. love my children. My family. Only now I’m walking away from those who conspired to keep us away from my son. The day I received the call being threatened by the uncle he had no concern over my illness or the fact that my biological son needed that information, as it’s rare and difficult to diagnose. He had no concern over his adopted son knowing his family history. My hope is one day my son will get to know his half sisters and the three half brothers my x husband had. Who also went on to live a good life. They actually have the same career. I’m not sure our son knows the career he chooses was that if his biological father. My son is a lot like us. He belongs in our family. If for no other reason to know we love him unconditionally, but I will not contact him or his children again. Not while my uncle is still alive. Because he will threaten them to stay away from me, a loving mom who cares more for my son , his wife and children than his adopted family will ever understand. I’m now pushed away even more by my family members for trying to reach out to my son, at least I know the truth. Even my own father is included in that conspiracy. I walk away with dignity and hope for all of my children’s futures. Never trust anyone with your children. I used to think my aunt loved me and would never hurt my son, I was wrong, she didn’t love him enough to let him know who I am an that he has more family who will always love him, LA
Jeff is a great dad but feels tremendous guilt. I pray he’s comforted.
You have a kind heart.
Yes he feels bad for his son but he doesn't take any responsibility for his role as a parent. He seems very defensive about it and was quick to say he couldn't think of anything he could have done differently. Even a great parent would question what they could have done differently. Clearly he wasn't a good communicator and most likely dismissed a lot of things. I think there are some truths to that newspaper article about him being a distant parent. At the very least he should own up to that. Sure he's making up for it now, but it's too late.
While I understand what you mean, This is something that no one would be proud of. He didn't understand the importance then and if given another chance may still not know what to do. Im not making excuses either but just giving you another perspective. Him crying did break my heart and showed me that he does feel guilt.
@@susandion4405 🙄
@@1nhonho let’s not forget about the children that felt it ok to bully his son. It’s easy to blame him for not being a better parent but we as parents need to teach our children to be kind to one another. Those parents are also responsible for the actions of their children too. You never know what someone else is going through. Bullying others is NOT ok.
I admit that I never think of a killer's family. This is an eye opener and also heart wrenching.
I feel sorry for all of them. Andy's father did break my heart the most. I wish him nothing but the best.
I feel for him. Bullying is the common denominator in all of these.
I agree! I wish I could give him a hug and tell him he is still #1 Daddy!
I don't feel sorry for any of them..kids are a product of who raised them
@@moniquestar6911 stfu
@@moniquestar6911 so not true,
Bill telling David that his beans were ‘the bomb’ then saying no pun intended and David laughing... I want to hug these guys. Heartwarming that they can support each other.
I love this woman, she is intelligent and did a great job interviewing these people she is very articulated her voice is made for the job she sounds very human
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She's been doing it since the 90's, broadcasting on Channel One news in homeroom in school. She's been this good since she started.
Do some people sound other that human? Like do they sound like trees, animals, the ocean or what?
@@mounag8518 Robotic.
@@mounag8518 I think "human" also just in being more empathetic. She looked like she was about to cry at one point, and honestly, I almost did too. I'm so happy that the two brothers had each other for comfort.
Andy's father just breaks my heart, his pain is just as significant as the parents who sadly lost their kids. Man, sad world this is. I wish people saw people as the same specie.
Dude the lawyer that called David is a real one. What a brilliant thought.
how they executed the man for one murder and he was mentally unstable but the uni bomber got life?
State crimes and different states have different rules on death penalty.
RACISM point blank one word
@@sooosuss7154 Exactly, didn't want to say it.
You know why. American justice. What a joke.
The only reason he got life was bc that was part of the deal they made, plus when talking to FBI agents , David said he was greatly opposed to the death penalty as per consideration of their original conversion . Texas is much worse regarding death penalty, they’re not as lenient , & Ofcoarse more racist!!
Manny was the one who deserved the most Mercy and Help! May his soul be at peace!
The irony of Andy now being 6' tall, after being bullied as a teen for being small.
@mt28 His Father stated that he was popular in his Maryland school, but was bullied when they moved & he went to a different school.
I thought the exact same thing.
He's grown into a tall, large man.
I was very much bullied for 2 years...7th and 8th grade, in one particular school.
We moved.
I was very much traumatized...very sad...but its funny...I never even once thought of shooting or killing anybody.
@@donnad6677 My experience was that pretty much everybody got bullied in Middle school, in one way or another.
@@donnad6677 the world needs a lot more people like you
It's the vitamins in the prison food! Lmao
Bill & David are the most adorable friends I've ever seen. I love them!
My heart breaks for everyone in this doc...
I loved this show.. wish it would come back. Lisa Ling is a brilliant interviewer..
She shows true empathy
These men made incredibly tough decisions. Had they not, many people would have lost their lives.
The military failed Manny! They train these people like robots and don't care about them when they get home. Smh
Thats the truth. Turned my brother into a sociopath then sent him back.
@@ckwind1971 Wow, I'm so sorry.
@@courtnaesmith6198 thank you that's very kind
Let me preface my comment with wrong is wrong and there are consequences for it.
Veterans are abandoned.
It is very sad. I had a veteran go off on the phone at me on my job because he was just frustrated with the system. Honestly I have never heard no-one use as much profanity in 3-5 mins. His was very decorated. But I felt much of his frustration which overwhelmed me, my conscience and I felt compel to go far beyond my responsibilites and assist him. It's been 7 yrs, and he looks for me everytime he has some business with us although I am no longer a staff in that division. He just wants to say hey and I sometimes offer to follow up on things for him so he may not have to return. As he puts it when upset, "I am 150% fing disabled."
They are abandoned by everyone. Many times family because they are now "difficult" to live with. Tons of mental issues and who can blame them. They are forgotten. 😞 It is just sad.
The police went 17 years without even coming close and he snitches on his brother not really knowing just threw his name in the mix, he was right, but hey.
The second one did not say what his response was for the way the media described his brother, he never once directed the blame on the military for the horrible things his brain could not cope with. I had friend that came back, gone.
Those men, who turned in their killer brothers, saved MANY lives. They are heroes.
My heart is extra broken for these people, but specifically for Jeff. He seems so remorseful for what his son did, yet, he continues to show his love to him because that is his son. He’s showing his son that he can change and there is someone out there keeping hope and faith in his redemption 💖
God bless these people!
Me too! You hate what they did,but you still love them.😪
I wish I could send him a father's day card because he is absolutely an amazing father!
God bless these people🙏🏼
Lisa Ling is one of the only reporters I’ve ever seen who truly appears to have compassion for the people she is speaking to. It’s truly beautiful to behold. Don’t feel like naming names here because it’s pointless, but there are so many big-name “reporters” out there who look and sound like “pop goes the weasel” is playing over and over in their heads. Lisa is KIND. Love her.
Sad 😞 how they treat the veterans when they give their lives! May God cover all Veterans.
If he was a white vet bet he’d be out now
Thought I was the only one to notice
I don’t understand the American legal system. The terrorist unabomber gets life but the vet gets the death penalty??? 😐 🤔
That's why minorities should not enroll in the armed forces in America
@@jengibbs3049 just remember this story when ppl say Racism in America doesn't exist. Disparity in sentencing is a major problem. If he was a white vet, he would still be alive. If the unabomber were a black man, he would be dead. Its no "coincidence" that one's brother was executed and the other was not. THAT is how it works in this country.
Family members who punish these men for saving lives are delusional. Yes, it's you r brother, but does he have a greater right to live than innocent people around him?
And bullying is the worst thing, I know how it feels. Those bullies are to blame too
It's just like lee harvey oswald's family.
Yup. Same with child predators. The same thing happens. People who know what's going on keep their mouths shut, creating more victims. If anyone speaks up, there is retaliation. It's sick.
Lisa Ling is teary interviewing Manny's brother. This case is closer to her heart because she grew up in Sacramento.
The more of these episodes that I watch, the more I am touched by Lisa's empathy -- seeing tears in her eyes as Bill Babbitt shares his story.
Amber suffers as intensely from PTSD as the brothers of killers. She desperately needs support, empathy and understanding. They all have agonizingly painful struggles and if the U.S. had a decent health care system, they would receive the care they need.
God bless the NHS.
Maybe it will survive the pandemic.
I'd like to know how Amber is faring today. This thing was shot eight years ago, and it appeared as if she was finally starting to move in the right direction at that time.
I hope someone helped her out with furniture, etc.
I wish these people and their families peace, strength, and comfort. 💞💞💞💞
Thank you for your kind comment, Courtnae ❤️
OWN ~ Camille
@@OWN Thank you for giving them a voice. 💞
Love, hope and courage. 🇦🇺🇺🇸☮️🖖❤️
*i feel so badly for andy's father but i think the "i love you" he said to his son for the first time in his life **_after_** the crime was no accident. i think it was a very pure and valuable expression of love that arrived at just the right time. andy and his father have the gift of mercy in that they can continue a family relationship together. i could definitely sympathize with the man's pains.*
My dad was a serial killer, it doesn't leave your soul, I carry a weight on me of feelings I can't explain, thinking of the family's breaks me.
What anybody does is not on you. Please try hard to accept that. I hope you find peace within yourself, I sure you have already experienced pain that you never should have. You are you🌸🌺🌸🌺✌️
Im sorry for the circumstances you were born into. That’s a burden that you should not have to carry.
It might not leave you’re soul but you’re soul is you’re own- 1 day I hope you feel the weight lifted off , & that you feel at peace-♥️🙏🏼you deserve that. You didn’t do anything but are a victim yourself .
Being involved in these kinds of situations will always have consequences for more than just (this name) vs (that name). I hope you find a way to lighten your soul some. It’s complicated to sort out your feelings no matter which person you know. I have been on the other side of the story (knowing murder victims) and I don’t know if there’s ever really true peace either way. You have to kind of adapt around the wound.
So much wisdom and kindness in these comments. God bless you all.
This was almost too much. My heart breaks. People are hurting, desperate, off. Amber, you keep fighting. You are worthy. You matter. I'm sorry for what you are going through. You are valuable, sister. Believe it.
Andy's father should have been offered therapy counseling meetings or something.
Lisa Ling never disappoints.
Are there any updates on Bill and David? This originally aired in 2013 and I would love to know how they are today
When teenagers are bullied at schools, the schools are responsible.
Those bullies and the school should be held responsible for what they did too.
I wish I could like your comment 1000 times. Everybody, EVERYBODY, needs to look at WHY these school shootings keep happening. My son has been bullied in school a lot, and what happened? The school protected the bullies, NOT my son. And the parents of the bullies? I spoke to them and they all turned away and ignored the issue. Disgusting. At least I can hold my head up high knowing my son is a good person, while they are just in denial. Makes me so mad!!!!
@@blondie7341 that is horrible, im so sorry that happenned to u and ur son. i wish u could sue them for negligence
@@blondie7341 I want to kill all bullies, they normally turn out to be criminals anyway, but there is a way.... Send your kid for self defense lessons. Don't tell anyone. Enable him to take them out himself. It will give him so much confidence to know he can protect himself.
@Jeff Washington And to protect the children they are teaching while they are under their care!!!!
@@blondie7341 There are teachers who make fun of kids in front of the whole class! I’ve seen it, from male teachers embarrassing boys in front of the class to female teachers pulling a girls pony tail every day several times a day, bullying her in front of the whole class. Teachers can be bullies too and make kids targets at school!
I feel bad for Andy’s dad, it’s not his fault that his child did that. I hate that people automatically blame the parents when they have no clue how the child was raised. I watched a Ted Talk with one of the Columbine shooters mother’s and she talked about her and her husband did so much to try and help their son but in the end it wasn’t enough. Once she found out her son was one of the shooters, she said that she actually prayed and asked god to take her child so he wouldn’t hurt anyone else 😢
highly recommend watching that ted talk to anyone who hasn’t! it really broke my heart, but showed me a side of things i had never really thought too much about before
I blame the bullies and the school for not having policies to deal with bullies.
@@fcllc4217 i don’t. i got bullied badly and. ever thought of killing anybody. i also have mental health issues. don’t justify murder in this manner.
@@fcllc4217 it’s extremely narcissistic and self centered and... blatantly insane. *again, in this context*
@@younot6921 well yes, it's clearly not moral, and not every bullied kid turns out like this. However, there will always be people who are particularly susceptible to bullying and manipulation, especially when they've been sexually assaulted (like Andy was). So, yes, it's not the bullies fault for the shooting, but they do take some responsibility.
The friendship between Bill & David is a beautiful thing. Glad they were able to connect. The rest of us can only imagine the feelings they deal with about their brothers. Finding another who truly gets it must be very healing.
My father was murdered 5 1/2 years ago. All I can do is try to understand the monsters who took him. I have to study and understand evil to find peace😥😪
I am so sorry! My heart goes out to you.
I'm so sorry 😔
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My condolence
@@tammybrown4901 Thank you, Tammy!😊❤
I am so happy Bill and David found love, friendship and family in each other. Jeff found new love and happiness in a new town, with a new partner. And Amber found peace in her very own apartment. I wish her all the love, strength and happiness in the world. Cheers, from Country Victoria. Australia. ✌️✌️✌️✌️
Lisa Ling is one of the greatest reporters I’ve ever seen or heard. I’m am a huge fan of yours😁✌️ Thank you!
Love her
Where has she been???
I feel torn about Andy spending his life in a cage for what he did as a teen. Not to take away from the victims at all. It just seems like such a hopeless tragedy to know he will never have a chance at redemption outside of that prison.
It was a harsh sentencing
Lisa Ling is an incredibly empathetic reporter and that is hard to find. Thank you, Mrs. Ling for your gifts and contributions to this crazy world. ❤️❤️❤️
I honestly JUST said to myself, “I love how she even tears up a bit.” You took the words out of my mouth.❤ Shes real.
My mom said that if we threw our troubles in a pile with other people's troubles we'd take our own back. After watching this, I'd say that's true. My heart goes out to these people, their strength is amazing. I am truly happy for both men who have forged a friendship, Andy's father who is no longer single, the young woman who is working towards being a nurse. The strength of humans always amazes me. I pray they continue to find peace and solace.
The first time you ever told your son you love him he was 15 years old.....omg.. thats the saddest thing I've prob ever heard...he needed to hear that more then anything else in life...wow
I am 55 and my father has never told me loved me and my mom started in the last 2 years when I tell her. I tell my kids I love them every chance I talk to or see them.
You tell someone that you love them by action and not only words , I was married to a man who beats me and make my life horrible with words but says he never loved anyone else so much before ..????? Do you understand, that wasn’t love … his dad I believe did so much for him that prove that he loves him
@@izabellasik I clearly understand that..sorry u went through what u did..hope all is well now
When the interviewer started getting teary eyed I lost it.. bawled like a baby
For such an amazing journalist like Lisa to cry during an interview just goes to show not only how compassionate she is, but how heartbreaking some of these stories are
My heart breaks for the two brothers who had to turn in their own brothers and the fact that this country does nothing for the mentally ill to stop them from hurting themselves and others. I hope they find peace. And know they did the right thing no matter how painful.
Bill and David are such a blessing to each other. These stories are so sad and tragic because when these people go to do these horrendous acts they don't think about the fallout and who it affects. They make permanent decisions on temporary emotions. It's truly heartbreaking. 💔
My dad is a killer. I can relate. We are not alone. 🍃
Lisa Ling is a phenomenal journalist. Not only is she extremely bright and talented but she's very compassionate and it shines in her work.
This woman is a great reporter, shes respectful, makes everything interesting, nice, etc, everyone else really just asks anything without thought or reguard for the persons feelings or comfort.
I can’t believe we didn’t get manny the help he deserved. He fought for our country. That’s us letting our soldiers down
It's oftentimes the district attorney's decision. If you get a zealot, or a gung-ho, politically ambitious person who wants to have a bigger imprint in the media and public's consciousness, then there's a good chance you'll get those results. You get all kinds of prosecutors.
Unfortunately "we" are not a united states. Governments within each state have agreed to their own powers.
The veteran hospital in our state has been so cruel to my dad who served us in War. With covid-19 they wheeled him to a hallway to die alone. Too many people needing healthcare.
These men have so much courage to turn in a family knowing the guilt and shame.
I happened upon this video. Lisa Ling is amazing. She can find the stories of these people with genuine sympathy. Part of what made this video is her ability to listen and not judge. This was a tough documentary to watch but I'm glad I did.
I cried through a lot of this , it just really touched my heart. I was married for 18 years to a man who I loved deeply , we have 3 kids , he started doing cocaine an it really got a grip on him. I gave him an ultimatum, us or the drugs ....he chose the drugs and moved out. 8 months later he committed an armed robbery an killed a man. He was sentenced to 20 years, and we experienced all the same things as these people. My kids suffered , their friends parents forbid them from coming over , they were treated very differently by a lot of people...I lost friends , jobs , you just don't think you could be blamed for something by association, but it really happens. I felt guilt for so long that I didn't make him , somehow, get help , go to rehab....I felt pain , embarrassment, anger ...but I did learn empathy...the reason this video made me cry. My youngest daughter would get mad and tell people he didn't do it , they got the wrong person ....she was 11. But now it's been 18 years ....he was released Jan. Of this year , 2021. I hope people see this and understand what the families go through and choose to be kind and supportive, they really need that.
Yes indeed. I'm so sorry.
I wish for your heart to heal. God is love only.
It’s heartbreaking to watch this and read your story my heart goes out to you hope things are getting better and your children can be happy
You and yours deserve all the health and happiness that those people that turned their backs on you and your family don't! I guess I am not as forgiving as you. Sure it would be nice to say... Oh they didn't know any better and were scared themselves, but hurting someone, or judging someone, for someone else's actions is just WRONG!
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people suck, the family didn't commit the crime yet receive the consequences and hate
It should be a crime to harass or target family members of criminals, unfortunately it's accepted in society cuz most people want to punish and torture the whole family.
@@Janedoe-mo6nj that's so sad. 😪 I will not ever understand why so much hate towards family.
@@19tams67 People just want to get their anger off on someone else, and they find people that they think are deserving of receiving their anger and hatred. We live in an evil world.
As the family member of a "killer" I can tell you the media will attack you just as much.
@@melonyrogers9841 I know, I've seen that. The media attacked the brother of the boy that shot up a school. There should be laws against that. It's not cool.
This was a great episode. people forget about the families of these killers and how all lives are affected. Well, presented. Lisa Ling is wonderful.
I feel so bad that his family is putting him in pain and rejecting him for doing the right thing.
I don’t like how they painted that dad out to be a bad father. If it was a single mom they would’ve been put in a better light. I can tell he was a good dad yes he should’ve said I love u more but his actions showed his love.
He did his best
They would’ve felt the same if it was a single mom. I feel bad for Andy. We need to pay more attention to what’s going on with our kids man.
Great perspective
Mmmmm Idk I don't think any school shooter parents are portrayed in a particularly positive light...
Yeah Dads and sons just feel awkward saying talking like that
I’m wondering about the bullies and how they feel about so cruelly making a child’s life desperately unhappy.
The main bullies where within his circle of friends with whom he did a lot of drugs and cut school, and apparently they are mostly in jail now so i doubt there will be a lot of introspection on their behalf.
School shooters were usually bullies themselves. They were unpopular because they made other people miserable
They were kids too...🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️ not emotionally mature enough to understand their actions, at least, not all of it...
@@sandysimpson4785 I’m generally a big believer in this mindset but this isn’t impulsive recklessness. It’s just premeditated murder against people who had no power over him.
@@laurafrakinroslin bullies have more power over someone than some would believe.
Ambers story is so sad. I hope she meet someone who really loves her and can give her the stability she needs.
I wish parents would reconsider when moving and how this impacts the child
Bullying pushed that boy to the edge. The single father did his best
Such a horrible position to put your brother in!!!!!! He shouldn’t be mad cause his brother wanted to save people from him!
Agreed, but he (and we) needs to remember how very ill his brother is, how he can't take his rejection to heart.
Please keep these episodes coming... this was such a good show... Lisa Ling is an icon
I love Bill and David's friendship. That was a beautiful thing that was done by introducing them. Because of their shared tragedy, they have a better life with an understanding buddy.
Andy's father breaks my heart. He isn't responsible for what his son did. He didn't pull the trigger, his son did. It's not his fault. He said it himself, he tried his best.
Bullying needs to be a federal crime....it leads to kids taking thier own lives or smething like what happened here
Hard disagree. Bullying needs to be taken way more seriously but we don’t need to be sending 8 year olds to jail for teasing.
In South Africa, when I was going through school 1995 - 2006 we had mild teasing in the schools I went to. There wasn't bullying on the level that I now understand in America. Even now, I don't know of mass murder incidents in our public schools. Is it maybe a cultural thing in some countries? It's quite scary how prevalent it sounds to be in America. It's so incredibly sad.
@Chris Shaffer I don't know if more rights is a good or bad thing. I really don't understand the psychology involved when a child gets so desperate that they decide to kill. I can't imagine the pain as a parent to that child or the victim's parents.
Include racism too
@@Hannah-zw9ow bullying is NOT just teasing. His dad said he comes home with bruises. Most bullying are physical
Unabomber = a fine line between genius and insanity.
Read about his past, 1 an illness as a baby that separated him from his family, might have disrupted bonding, but worse was a years-long osychological study at Harvard he participated in, crushed subjects' beliefs in their senses of the world...I think it had devastating effects.
his manifesto actually predicted what technology would do to human race. it was kinda scary to read it
Thank you Mannie for protecting those people over in that country.
You’re awesome Manny thank you for your service Manny
Santana High School survivor. Class of 2001 forever in our hearts!
Humans can really lack great empathy, and it’s a shame really.
Poor Andy I know he killed two kids but being a child and going through bullying is extremely sad. Schools need to really be more strict and be more vigilant
Omgggg from someone who was bullied and had emotional issues it is the single handed hardest thing to deal with as an adolescent. It hurts soooo bad and people don’t understand you can’t just “ignore it” smfh
I totally agree bullying is the root cause if you haven't been through it you will never know the damage it does.🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧🏴🇬🇧
Agreed agreed agreed. I still make daily choices based on bullies and they often become my inner voice of self hate even when I know they were wrong. That is NOT to make what he did ‘valid’ or ok, but this kid was on his own with little moral compass at home and in so much pain. It scares me that I “get” this kid. Terrifies me in fact because of the things my own mind used to tell me. Things that I felt might be the only way out.
@@butwhytho4858 what do you mean no moral compas at hme have you not watched full doco. His father is heart broken he was a solo dad and did a good job. Andy failed his father by not confiding in him and asking for help. Your a soulless idot i guess your a trump supporter too
@@pamlegros5713 oh and wow I forgot you called me soulless... smh SOMEones a bully among us even as we are talking about bullies. Nice. Good job hun 👏
The bond that Bill and David formed is amazing to me! God bless them both!
PLEASE BRING BACK THIS SHOW
*Manny was a good looking guy too!! I couldn't imagine the tragedy and evil that soldiers have to see in war!! It's easy to get caught up in struggles in life even simple things that anger us but, imagine the darkness that soldiers have to see!! Ppl with golden hearts couldn't come from war the same!! I still to this day...39 years old... like to find the goodness in everyone but I've learned some of the darkness that some can have but to be through basically a blood bath.... that's just insanity!! Humans are emotional beings and when you live through darkness, either you find strength in it, or it can corrupt you!! The fact of ppl not getting help for things such as PTSD is super scary!!*
You would be shocked at how many Veterans kill. It is sad and I can tell you from experience of one.
As someone with PTSD, it is deeply concerning how others with severe trauma backgrounds are treated. When violence is a prolonged and normal part of your life, you simply think only of survival. Reality can be difficult to comprehend. I'm a white female from a relatively rich neighbourhood in Autsralia, so I got treatment all of which was paid for by the government. Yet Manny wasn't given the treatment he deserved and now him and his family suffered for it. This man had so much potential, it's sad to see his life seemingly thrown away by a neglectful government and a broken criminal justice system.
Kids need to be taught that they're the ones that have the power to create a school shooter by bullying, teasing, beating up, or acting like they're better than another. The bullies are the real problem. Parents need to watch out to notice if their child is being bullied. If so, they need to have the bullies removed from the school for rehabilitation or they should pull their own child out and try something else.. That behavior is unnecessary in 2021.
Best comment ever!
I had a second career as a teacher; my first was as a psychiatric nurse. It makes me so frustrated and angry when some schools say “ oh we don’t have a bullying problem in our school.” The fact if the matter is bullies are everywhere. What is important is the response to it. Ignoring it makes things worse
While you're 💯 percent right, sadly that is not the reality of things. Government schools have degraded our society. Parents are not there to guide their children and the current structure says they don't have to be and they don't want to. Free babysitting and in poor/minority communities no real education is given. The teachers are overwhelmed, their hands are tied and they're expected to accomplish the impossible.
Government schools need to be overhauled. Parents and teachers need to be given the tools to help their kids and they need help to be more involved. Red tape and politics need to be driven out completely. It would be difficult but if we want this and so many other problems to stop, it needs to be done.
@@jaykay3839 I live in a middle class neighborhood and the more money the kids have the more spoiled and entitled the parents teach them to be. We need to file police reports for harassment, stalking, assault, etc. They do not allow that in public school, however. The parents think their children are God's gift on top of everything else. It's an American affliction. We'll have to do an entire reeducation program of the masses to get them to understand.
About Lisa Ling, you are a humanistic journalist and for that, thank you.
I am so saddened watching Amber. It’s so sad to imagine the kind of childhood she had with an abusive father only to be compounded by having to suffer in adulthood for what her father did. It seems so unfair that a person like her may never be able to find contentment and acceptance from those around her.