Why does the Oboe Da Caccia move us to tears in St John Passion?
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At the crucial moment in St John Passion when we learn that Jesus is dead, Bach uses the hollow-sounding oboe da caccia to ease us into the sense of emptiness, loss and disbelief.
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You can hear OAE Principal Oboe Katharina Spreckelsen play the oboe da caccia and talk more about the instrument in this video on our channel: • Introducing the Oboe d...
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This video was made during the break of our recording of Bach's St John Passion. The Passion is not simply a beautiful piece of music, but a reflection on suffering and an attempt to make sense of it. Since our lives have been disrupted by the pandemic, the Passion now speaks to us from a fresh understanding of suffering and ignites in us a personal sense of compassion and empathy. The Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment and Marquee TV presents a new filmed realisation of this monumental production recorded in Battersea Arts Centre, with an all-star cast including Mark Padmore as Evangelist and Gerald Finley as Christus.
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I am only crying because I still don’t know what it sounds like! 😭😭😭
I think she plays it in another video
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@@mattbod merci!
LOL YES!!!
But you can hear a few notes on it. Sounds a bit bassoonish. Would also like to hear it solo.
This is like listening to a radio programme about the beauty of the open countryside!
Excellent comment!!
Thank god I didn't actually get to hear the instrument clearly. I hate it when I'm moved to tears.
"I love playing the oboe da caccia, it's so beautiful, it sounds amazing..."
*Doesn't play it once*
Very disappointing, after all the buildup.
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You can hear it clearly in the piece they are playing
@@phlarrdboi Many thanks! 😁
LOL, thats the amazement :D
I liked when she said “It’s such a mournful sound that other than a brief fraction of a second, I won’t allow you to hear me actually demonstrating this sound, and forget about allowing camera anywhere near it whilst it is being played. I just want to talk about it but not allow anyone to actually hear it.”
well said
Interesting, but I would have liked to hear more samples of the instrument...
Or, you know, maybe even just a single sample would have been nice lol
My point exactly.
Was the instrument cancelled?
Afternoon @Wiron555, @Aintnonemore nosiree, @John Cochran and @Iomhar! Thanks for watching our video. You can hear Katharina play the oboe da caccia and talk more about the instrument in this video on our channel: czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html
Enjoy :)
Agreed - that's what I was waiting for. Very frustrating.
ahhh play it please! we STILL dont know what it sounds like! lol
They introduced this instrument in a video 2 years ago, you can hear it there! ^^
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The American maker Paul Hailperin, at the instigation of Nikolaus Harnoncourt, constructed the first copy of an oboe da caccia in modern times, in 1973. We have Hailperin and Harnoncourt to thank for the revival of this magnificent instrument.
What I've seen most of in this video is the voice and flute.
Loved the sound of it and the way it blended with the flute and change in colour when the pitch descended amazing!
I learned in school however 40 years ago.
Thanks for showing us.
When I think about it, it just blows my mind that how many pieces and works did Bach wrote throughout his life time.
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If we compare it to modern day standards :-
*The Beatles have almost 10 hours of music on there credits. Which they created in almost 10 years of there careers...
*When on the other hand, Bach has Almost 175 hours of music on his credit. Which he composed in almost 42 to 45 years,
*ITS JUST FASCINATING*
Beatles 1h p year . Bach 4h p year (43)
@@capezyo Wow, thanks for that, I forgot to add that..
You are right that Bach's music is great, and it was a lot of work creating it.
But to be fair, nobody was asking for the Beatles to create a new album each week, and their audience certainly wanted to hear the big hits.
I wonder how the numbers would compare with someone like John Williams. I count 114 movie scores on Wikipedia. If we assume 1.5h of music for each (they're not scored non-stop, but they average out a lot longer, so I think that's at least not not too high), that's 173h. Add 18 solo concertos (to make the calculation easy, I'm assuming 20 min each, which is probably a bit low) and we get 179h. Four more hours for his shorter works brings us to 183. Leaves his TV work, and I don't know how to calculate that. Wikipedia lists 27 things, but some of those he only made themes for, so let's say 185 hours in total. 10 hours more than your calculation for Bach, but he has been working since the late 50s, so JSB clearly gets the most hours per year unless our calculations are way off.
I also did a bit of Googling on the subject, and it seems that Telemann holds the record for the largest number of compositions, with over 3000 works. I have no idea how that translates to hours, though. And while fun to think about, it doesn't really matter. We can just be glad that we have all this great music to listen to, regardless if it's written by Bach, Beatles or Béla Fleck. (To pick another great one, starting with the letter "B".)
@@RikardPeterson I was just talking an example. Cause I don't think I know any other 'popular' artists...😅
@@shauryadiwanshukla You could Listen to some modern interprations of JSB's Musical (Modern Jazz Quartet, Swingel Singers, Jacques louissier) or some performer who where inlfluenced by Bach: Paul Simon (American Tune) The Beatles (Blackbird) ;-)
What passion!. Really you make me happy, this is making us better humans.
Beautifull instrument, thank you...
Love it. Please, more.
So educational. Thank you.
This is truly remarkable.
Interesting. I would've liked to have heard it it played solo so we could have heard it more clearly. Would be interesting to hear how its sound compares to the Oboe d'Amore. Did the two overlap?
The two certainly overlap in range, though the oboe da caccia can go lower. It's also louder, since its endpiece is a metal bell like a hunting horn (hence the name, which means "hunting oboe").
What a gorgeous instrument.
And ...... we still don't know what it sounds like.... thank you so much for this most informative video, I really learned a lot.
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I would love to make a comment but my mum always said if you have nothing nice to say, don't. But I did like the sound of her voice.
Thank you.
Wonderful
Thats sounds amazing! I've been playing another of the recently rediscovered instruments for about a year now and absolutely love it. It's such a special feeling performing something so different but with such an important sound in the ensemble! If you're ever looking for a Cornett/zink player, drop me a message!!!! xD
Our recordings have these exactly sound...
Delightfully interesting.
almost as enjoyable as watching bowling on the radio
Talking about it is fine but it would be nice to hear the sound this unique instrument makes. A demonstration please!
Very interesting, but I thought we would have heard something at the end 🎶🎶🎶🎶
By the way... distances between players due to COVID19 makes me sigh AGAIN...
I wish we South Korean musicians can freely gather for concert or ONLY FOR practice... 😭
czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html here is where she demonstrated it.
*cries in oboe*
really to sit there with the instrument talking about the sound and not to play it...I mean how was that possible?
Hi Khasab, thanks for watching our video. You can hear Katharina play the oboe da caccia and talk more about the instrument in this video:
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@@oae ok thanks
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We expected to hear it in this video, not having to go to another video to hear what we should have heard on this one. Very poor editing on your part I'm afraid.
Jesus jesus jesus.
...this is the most beautifully cached bit of click-bait iv'e fallen for for ages, thank you.
What’s with the big portamento down at ‘tod’? She’s like Milanov in ‘La Gioconda’.
If you want to hear a couple of solo performances of the instrument, this channel has a different oboe da caccia video: czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html
Thanks! It is a delightful instrument. Hopefully it finds good use performing in Bach's work and new music is written for it.
I remember Adolph Herseth (Principle trumpet of the Chicago Symphony for 53 years - yes - 53 years) used to teach things like "Think only what it sounds like" and "Think sound always" and "Play by sound, not by feel". So naturally, I feel this presentation would have been far better with more substantial examples of its sound. (Better yet, even compared with the closest modern instruments side by side.)
When do we get to hear it please?
Talks about the sound, but doesn't play the instrument while holding it, what a shame..
Hi Barefoot Joe, thanks for watching. You can hear Katharina play the oboe da caccia and talk more about the instrument in this video: czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html
Enjoy! :)
@@oae Thanks that's great! I love the esoteric instruments on this channel, wish I can play with such things :)
So how does it sound?
Please record more samples.
How about if you make another video where you or others are playing the instrument. Put it through its paces so we can all hear what it sounds like, in all of its capabilities. Thank you.
They already have.
So previously just baroque oboe was always used instead of oboe da caccia?
hearing is believing
What does it sound like?
I guess the title was a rhetorical question, since he whole video except for 4 seconds was her talking about it instead of letting us experience it.
Is it in standard concert tuning 440Hz?
A=415, "historic" pitch.
Sad never to hear it solo.
Does it work for non Christians?
Bendy boi
Did I miss something? I thought this was supposed to be introducing an ancient instrument. I think I heard something that it could have been, but how am I supposed to know?
Jesus! Play the damn instrument!!
Still waiting for the sound of the instrument. How frustrating ...
To my ears all the instruments were doing a great job of blending, occasionally coming to the front, then receding, as one does with a choral mindset. Sadly the soprano did not. She was blurring away with the Wurlitzer vibrato, emoting and being more the flashing light on an ambulance rather than blending with the instruments.
Ouch! I don't think I'd put it quite as grouchily as you do ;-) , but yes, that's a problem. (Your phrase "Wurlitzer vibrato" stings, but it's not wrong, imho.)
It's odd, since it's the land that gave us The Tallis Scholars and the great Emma Kirkby (who is still occasionally singing at age 72), but over the last decade or so, most of the British period-instrument groups have gotten a lot more tolerant of vibrato from their singers than Christopher Hogwood (the best example, I think) used to be. These days, you're more likely to hear stylish Bach singing from Germany, the Low Countries, and North America.
@@mwnyc3976 Sorry for the vitriol. An opera singer friend explained it best for me to understand.
In opera one must keep the audience watching each performer as well as belting it out to the back row Vibrato is the Gattling gun effect which catches the attention. In choral music, the person is not important and must not draw attention to themselves. It is a shame that this is not accepted as the norm in choral performances.
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I wouldn't call it vitriol; I've seen so much meaner. :-) vibrato
(Oops - the commenting software cut me off.)
As I said, "Wurlitzer vibrato" may sting, but in this case it wasn't wrong.
Yes, vibrato does get attention, but one want's it to be the right kind: vibrato is by its nature out of tune, at least a bit, and too many opera singers let their vibrato pull them way off pitch.
As for choirs, good professional choirs have been getting much better about vibrato over the past decade or two. (As I'd said surprising number of the exceptions these days seem to come from Britain. Yes, they can't all sound like Tenebrae, but I wish more of them could come close.)
She sounds more in love with the sound of her voice
I want my 3 minutes back!
Perhaps you assumed that everyone can pick out the oboe in the orchestra. Not so. A quick demo could have been quite useful.
Oh so that's the reason. I guessed that it was because the guy who blew through it had just eaten an onion.
Ahhh, the oboe of cheese.
We must accept that, independent of the well taken point about our understanding of the instrument, any notions we may have today about the sound or voicing of a particular instrument for a particular passage are heavily colored by romantic-era notions of orchestration, and certainly far removed from Bach’s intentions in writing for the instrument.
I really wish they wouldn’t keep referring to the flautist. I would love to see how the instrument is played, snip out the sound un-embellished. That soprano’s face was that of one with imminent gastric problems.
I get your frustration. But this video is basically promoting the OAE's recent video performance of the St. John Passion, so what she's talking abut is the sound of the oboe da caccia in this particular aria from the St. John -- and the key to the sad sound is the combination of the oboe da caccia and the flute. You can get a better intro to the instrument itself here: czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html
looks like something you'd smoke shisha in (from?) (with?)
"with" or "out of" works best in this context, I think. And yes, it does look rather hookah!
@@brady5829 i think "use to"
A solo sample would have been more acceptable. Since we've not heard this instrument in a couple of hundred or so years.
Very fair point about not including a sample of the playing (for instance, more of the aria from the performance of the St. John Passion that this video is promoting), but it hasn't been a couple of hundred years at this point. We've heard it in every period-instrument performance of the Bach passions (and a number of the cantatas) for 40 years now.
To hear more of and about this instrument (like they should have included in this video), go here: czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html .
What an absurd tease clip
I'm crying because of the diction. No t on the word ist?? we must be listening to an english group, i'll bet.
Yes, it's an English group, the Orchestra of the Age of Enlightenment. The soprano, Jessica Cale, is Welsh.
You play it? Prove it!
Even though religion is all a crock, the great works of art it inspires can be sincere and moving.
They were too busy talking about it to play it.
Like anything pretentious, they don’t play it because they don’t want you to hear how underwhelming it is; they just want you to hear their inflated opinions.
You can hear it clearly in the piece they are playing? Only professionals opinion matters in questions like this. Some random idiots "opinion" is meaningless, they dont have the experience nor appropriate framework to judge something like this
Gratuitiously rude. Point 1 you can hear it and point 2 if you didnt get enough go the video in which it' s played .czcams.com/video/cPvpyI-bmEM/video.html
A litlle less talk and a lot more action! Didn't hear the instrument
Not as stirring as Shatner's Bassoon.
Can we actually hear what it sounds like? Lmao
I would so much rsather hear the instrument rather than hear her talk about it.I finally quit.
Ironic that with all the appropriate obsession over original instruments for Bach, for the voice they utterly fail to realize Bach trebles were boys, not adults. I've long disliked adult trebles as the harmonic development is too great vs the simpler, purer sound of boys, though sadly in our post-Christian age most boys are thereby manifestly incompetent for the roles as for Bach text governed music whereas today the former usually sadly gets short shrift.
What a crock.
That’s a disappointing video. They don’t give us one single opportunity to hear this supposedly amazing instrument of the literal click bait title. She talks about it while holding the thing the entire time. Better if she had blown into it once and said nothing.
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Musicians are usually more in touch, in general!!!! What about making another video with zero passion talking and 100% playing this instrument!!! My idea of the sound of the latter is definitely into « emptiness, loss and disbelief » please change the misleading title of this video. Cheers
Because this is mainly talking and other instruments and voice, we can not say we know what this instrument sounds like.
I wonder whose brilliant idea it was to show the instrument and not really play it. 😑
Bah! Pointless talk when there’s no real example.
Did she say oboe da catshit?
3 minutes of talking about how something sounds but not actually hearing it. Very bad video.
A whole bunch of nothings.
Is this a gay pride orchestra?
So said my neighbour.
Thanks for nothing
Has this female presenter any clue how to get quickly to the crux and let viewers judge the rest for themselves? Four short sentences at the start would have done just fine. Cutting her remarks to four sentences would have taken great brain-power and judgment. Instead she goes on so pompously assuming we want to hear her voice above all else. I don't remember a thing she said. I might remember the oboe da cascia's sound much better.
To be fair, she's not a professional presenter; she's the one who plays the instrument in this orchestra.
This is a nonsense video. Not only it doesn't show any example of what she says, but it is actually false too that the instrument expresses a strong tone of sadness.
She knows that; she's played the instrument in plenty of happy music as well. She just means that it expresses a strong tone of sadness in this particular aria. But she would say that, wouldn't she, since she's playing it? I do agree with her that, in this aria, the sound of the oboe da caccia combined with the sound of the Baroque flute makes a beautifully sad sound.
You will get a down vote. What a pointless video. Badly put together. lots of noise and rumbling in the background while explaining and not showing the viewers how it sounds.
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