What Does Mikel Arteta Do With Thomas Partey? Crystal Palace 0-1 Arsenal Premier League Review
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- čas přidán 21. 08. 2023
- After two matches in the 23/24 Premier League, Arsenal are one of just three clubs with a 100% win rate but despite positive results, Arteta’s men look a little bit sluggish compared to their impressive performance’s last season. So in this video, Statman Dave tries to assess what’s changed, how Arteta can get Arsenal firing again and whether the problem lies with Thomas Partey at right back. Are Arsenal just getting started? Is it all down to Gabriel Jesus’ injury? Does Partey get into Arsenal’s best XI? Find out on The Premier League Review.
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Partey will go back to DM in bigger games
I think the only reason Partey left the DMF for RFB was due to the Timber/Zinchenko void at LFB - with Tomiyasu less effective at inverting, the role of inverted RFB was being filled by Partey. I think Partey will go back to DM when Zinchenko starts at LFB - and based on Zinchenko's appearance at Palace, I think that'll happen against Fulham.
Bloody hope so
Yeah the team that played city in the CS will be the best 11
@@markstromberg1148I don’t think so. I think this is because he is the best player in the team and your want you best player in the team along with rice. The two have to play.
Do you actually know how stubborn this Arteta is? You are just hoping that he plays Partey DM on big games .
The solution is simple …. Ben white to RB , Thomas to DM, Rice advanced and Havertz on the bench
agree or just try Trosard or Emil smith Row instead off Haverts I don't really think Partey has been playing this new role bad it helps us keep the ball and therefore it doesn't harm our defence.
When Zinchenko is fully fit this will happen but until then we don't have an inverting LB, hence Partey inverting at RB. Havertz has been playing quite well but it will be between him and Partey sitting depending on the fixture (as Dave mentioned)
A Havertz contract termination would be the best move
@@mrlionrocks Unfortunately, Havertz is Arteta's vanity project and is going to cost us the chance of winning anything this season if Arteta persists.
The analysis presumes that the solution to Arsenal’s system change is reverting back to their system of last year. But if we take Arteta at his word that Gabriel has been on the bench for tactical reasons, Zinchenko inverting and Partey sitting on the bench doesn’t change White’s positioning at all. He’s still locked where he is and Rice is being forced out to the right-hand side where he doesn’t have the same connection & understanding that Partey has with Odegaard and Saka. It could be developed over time, but that’s not what Arsenal is doing. It seems Arteta wants to use a back 3 so he can push 2 CBs up to act more like the 6s. It seems to provide more cover to stop counter attacks and provide faster responses to attempts to play through the middle by creating more overloads in that part of the pitch. Benching Partey doesn’t solve those problems with this formation. Instead, it exacerbates them, because Zinchenko doesn’t have Partey’s defensive capabilities and isn’t on the right. This seems like a system specific situation being prepared for the CL.
A lot of this is also born out of the statistics last season. Against CP at Selhurst Arsenal had 44% possession, a shared field tilt, 2 big chances, & an xG of 1 to CP’s 1.2. In the 2nd game against Leicester, it was definitely more favorable with 50% possession, better field tilt, 5 big chances and an xG of 2.96 to Leicester’s .46. (0-2 & 4-2 respectively). This seasons, against Nottingham Forest: 78% possession, incredible field tilt, 0 big chances, xG .83 to NF’s 1.18. Against Crystal Palace: 53% possession (67% before the red), great field tilt until the red, 3 big chances and xG of 2.02 to CP’s 1.01.
Essentially, Arsenal are doing more to control the game and doing better with the chances they do get. That’s all positive. Why would you revert to worse?
If we revert to an inverting left-back like last season, I hope Arteta gives Kiwior that spot instead of Zinny for a run of games to see how he does. I feel he would do a brilliant job there. Not as creative but much more solid defensively than Zinny, could prove to be the right balance for an inverted left back and a bombing forward overlapping Benny Blanco.
Brilliantly explained. 👍🏾 And we’re showing all this dominance without Jesus and Zini in the team.
Well said. A lot of people are missing just how much control Arsenal lost post world cup when teams started targeting the space White left. Games became like tennis matches. Arteta is fixing that first and it has been shown by how little Forest and Palace were able to get in both games.
I can't believe you completely missed Trossard in your analysis. He needs to come in for Nketiah or Havertz
Bet off the bench or cups and maybe Champions IMO
Best
Trossard is an infinitely better option than Havertz
Arteta is too stubborn. He feels like he needs to justify the money spent on Havertz. You can bet if Trossard was a 60 million dollar signing, he'd be playing every week.
@@bendagostino2217how come he isn’t playing Pepe over Saka then?
Great take. But Partey is paying for us having to fit Havertz in the team. Havertz doesn't have a position yet and he's unbalanced our team in almost every aspect. Partey is better than Rice at progressing the ball, especially to Saka so he has to be included or Saka will be starved of service.
We need to start being honest and call it what it is as much a as many want to deny it partey is arsenals best midfielder even in the palace game when he was moved to the middle look how good we looked. This constant narrative of taking him out the team is madness rice is not better than partey
Disagree strongly. I felt Partey faded badly without Saliba. Rice is bigger faster stronger and getting smarter by he match. Partey is good and will play nearer to his best if MA lessens his workload by a lot so he is a weapon in last weeks of the prem and Champs
@@briansmith975 mate I hear you but that’s such an unfair statement did saka odegard and co not fade at the crucial point of the season but the narrative is it’s just partey only reason this is being said is because arteta had a replacement he trusted so partey was dropped so fans just looked at him. Rice being bigger and stronger does not make him better play I think both should be playing. Partey controls games in ways rice could never on ball they’re not even close so you can’t say rice is better.
Rice broke it up better than Partey and passed better than odegaard against Palace. Just one game of course but Odey and Partey are established players. Food for thought.
@@silkuk8417 lol
Meanwhile Partey was the man of the match against Palace.
I am hoping Partey is taking notice of the hatred from Arsenal fans... the reason he is being advised to leave them immediately. Juve, Chelsea or PSG. He is being recommended to join united as well
Dave, rather than drop Partey against Fulham I would put Partey back at CMF, have Rice and Odegaard in the No. 8 roles, and follow your suggestion for the back line (Zinchenko, Gabriel, Saliba and White). Up front, with Ream on suspension, I would replace Nketiah with Trossard (1st choice) or Havertz (2nd choice), but start Martinelli and Saka as normal. The Cottagers' back line will be at 6s and 7s all afternoon. If we're ahead by 2 or 3 (and I hope we will be) at the 60th minute, I would want Nelson, ESR or Vieira to get some playing time and preserve the legs of Saka, Nketiah and Martinelli.
Completely agree with the lineup
You lose an attaching 8 (Havertz) for a defensive one (Rice). So you’re line up is more defensive and less progressive than Arteta. It’s that simple as to why he keeps choosing this line up against “inferior” teams. Get as many progressive attackers on against low possession opposition.
He’s likely to go with your line up against harder apposition and away in the Champions League.
i cant belive that people so easily can drop Partey . they havent even see Rice alone in midfield. can rice do what partey did when he played alone ? the havertz need to drop . we need to put rice in xhaka role and play with one striker. there is no need to put two player in box if there is no pass to box. everybody say havertz do a lot without ball . but what he do with ball ? is he footballer or referee? ok closing is good position of rival but then lets play from defence
Havertz is going to play so he throws a wrench in the whole balance
Knowing Arteta.. I don't think this will happen until Zinchenko is fully fit.
Kiwior will come in for Tomiyasu against Fulham...
Partey will go to DM with Rice and Havertz pushed upfront against Man utd.
Controversial opinion is that while rice’s numbers will be better - he plays safer than Partey, chance creation increases with partey in cdm because of his intelligent line splitting passes.
Currently we are shoehorning in our expensive signings, the best team is probably with partey in cdm and rice further up, totally agree that white is best on right, and keeps the system we were so successful with last season, with also the CB partnership of Gabriel and Saliba
Hahahahaha..and the Partey disrespect continues. We are watching 👀 to see how it ends cos Kai has not inspired me one bit😂
By attempting to suffocate in central areas, it’s negating the threats of Saka and especially Martinelli.
They’re not getting enough overlapping support and are too wide.
Thus we hardly created clear chances.
I say this again. Anyone who thinks Partey should be on the bench never watched Arsenal play! The guy is a creative genius. Our team finds it very difficult to progress the ball without him. In any solution you want to think about, Partey has to end up in that midfield.
I don't think it's fair to use last season tactics as a comparison for the current one. We can't play only Rice or Partey, specially if Zinchenko goes back into the squad. His defensive output is terrible, specially on counter attacks. I don't see Arteta moving away from the double pivot, since it gives his attackers more freedom and flexibility.
Also, when you talk about the lack of balance, you forget about Havertz or Martinelli dropping into the middle when Eddie drops to the right. With Xhaka we couldn't do that, that's why we had those more "straightworward" methods of attacking.
Good work Party in his old defensive position has natural long balls into danger position on wings to open up play .Rice delayed and spent unnecessary seconds to even give near simple passes that brings opponent into game
That part. People don’t realize the value of Partey’s pace of play. Every touch and pass is attempted to push the pace of play so Arsenal gets into good positions quicker. His quick precise passing is the reason Saka and Odegard had so many opportunities to create last season.
Of course the average positions is going to be deep. We played with 10 men for over 20 minutes. Also Partey is playing the Zinchenko role with our LB is playing the White role.
That’s a great point about the avg position. And also if you watch the game back, White actually joins Saka a fair bit. Either Rice or Partey slot into the back 3 when White picks his moments to overlap.
And I find this whole argument about White being hampered a bit strange considering he is actually playing in the exact same position regardless of whoever inverts (Partey/ Zini). When they invert, White becomes the right of a back three in either scenario.
@@ke5943 It's like people watch but don't actually take in what's happening.
Good analysis - although it really shows how much of a one-trick pony we were last season in using the White-Saka connection. It also demonstrates the need for variety in how we attack and against what opposition - exploiting weaknesses in the teams we face and exerting greater control over games. It remains to be seen how we improve with this new system, but results are positive so far, even if the general feeling when watching both initial games is that it was closer than it should have been and we were lucky to make it through.
This should have been titled What should Arteta do with Kai Havatz.
Absolutely see no reason for that signing
I see your point Dave with the average position charts you showed, but I rewatched the first half and White actually goes into the final third a few times.
Also, him joining up with Saka less must be an instruction because he is technically standing in the same passion, right of a back three (in possession) wether it’s Zini or Partey inverting. It doesn’t matter who inverts, White ends up right of a back three in both line-ups (when we are in possession).
Trust me
Partey is the best midfielder in that Arsenal team
Partey is in rotation to keep him fit and at peak condition for the big games where Arsenal must balance stronger defensive midfield and creative pivot out of defence against stronger teams. He'll not play against weaker teams where Rice's consistency is enough and more offensive players can be put forwards to overload more to create more goal chances.
Arteta is still experimenting tactics, on a real match scenario, you can't replicate that
@8:30 It went ALL the way from 39% to 42%?!? 🤣🤣🤣
From the two games i have seen so far, i think we need to revert Ben White back to his usual right back position as it will provide us more freedom and balance on the right hand side of the team as Dave has correctly pointed out.
The Partey situation is an interesting one.
Personally i would now only use him only in the key games against the top 8 sides as the 6 role which would allow Rice to be promoted into the 8 position where he can improve his abilities further up the pitch when Arsenal attack.
Against the smaller opposition Arsenal should consider Rice in the 6 role and place Trossard and Odegaard as the 2 number 8s behind the main striker (Jesus or Nketiah). This tactic I believe will make our play more dynamic. I feel that with Havertz currently in the box to box midfield role our general build up play to the final 1/3 is too slow meaning our two wingers are not being used as effectively in terms of our patterns of play in attack.
With Trossard instead implemented in the 8 role it will provide a fresh dimension as his ability to carry the ball, create chances and operate in the wider areas will open doors to our front 3 and Odegaard.
Spot on!
what app is that?
I get the point that Partey is not the ideal RB - but he will adapt to the role quickly. I thought he looked a lot better against CP than Forest in the first game, but the red card meant he had to do a lot more defensive responsibility than usual and the flow of the game didn't allow for the new formation to show it's strengths as much as I expect it will soon.
This season Arteta is expecting that teams are going to be doubling (or even tripling) up on Saka, and the inverting role of Partey and overlapping of White is aimed to create more flexibility on the right-side for creating chances. In addition, the focus on the right-side is creating more space for Martinelli on the left.
Personally I don't think reverting to last seasons formation is a step-forward as teams will be more prepared for that, and I believe Arteta is trying to make the team even more tactically flexible with this 3-2-2-3 attacking shape. After a few games we'll see how it evolves, but I think it's too early to judge as we haven't seen the full potential yet.
What's her love about these so-called expert analyst and podcasters is that they can't even figure out what MA is doing
Statman Dave. You know ball 💯
I feel he’s just testing out an alternate system, people forget last year only worked with zinchenko so what happens when he’s injured. So an alternative system that works and players are used to is key to combat injuries.
"what do with thomas partey" make him stand in court and answer his allegations what else
Everyone just acting like nothings happened, complete joke
Innocent till proven guilty fella
@@abzbalo1736 that's right which is why he should defend himself in a court, thats how you get proven innocent or guilty!
None of us know the truth abt that, unless u know something you should have reported what you know. Otherwise innocent until ……
Do you think he is avoiding going there ? I would have thought the police would have done what’s necessary and legal
Partey was motm against palace. The only thing Rice has over him is youth lol.
Th is just way off following some agenda. Rice won man of the match and rightly so. In the pressure situation of ten men he grew took over and led the way. Partey doesn’t get there for that anymore at least not on a regular basis. Still v goo when fresh. Off the bench for plenty of gams til we get to the big ones in last couple of months. He wil be a real weapon not burnt out.
@@briansmith975 lol.. agenda? None whatsoever.... Rice is not special... Covering ground isn't special mate..😂
@@briansmith975Rice was given MOTM because he's English Partey was superior on the pitch even when he played out of position.He has the better stats in the Palace game than any other player
Both played well. Its just that Partey and Rice have different roles and Rice was assigned the more glamourous role so he gets all the plaudits.
@@briansmith975Partey was the best rated player on the pitch, check the stats 7.9 to Rice 7.3. Yet Rice gets voted MOTM smh. English bias
Simple... Arteta is trying to make the Left hand side work...Like the right hand side last season... that's why Nketiah, Martinelli and Havertz are starting to thrive a little bit more.
Yet the left hand side is not providing goals but rather the saka right hand only
@@legendovbago4716 With time the goals will come...though personally I feel that left side needs Trossard to come alive...he is more experienced and offers far more than Martinelli, Havertz and Nketiah plus Zinchenko...over an entire season.
Quick question naturally it wouldn’t be the same but could we use Tierney to recreate the right hand side dynamic on the left?
Tierney is our worste defender for progressive passing. Even Holding is better on the ball. This is why I’m guessing Arteta doesn’t rate him.
Partey is still Arsenal's best midfield. SHould be Havertz dropped or play up top.
I respect Partey but feel like he is fading. Rice will eat him this season IMO
@@briansmith975 Honestly I'd protect Partey legs for big games (So Top 6, plus Brentford, Brighton, Newcastle/Villa and away games + UCL Ties). Rest him vs against easy games at the Emirates.
@@briansmith975😂😂 you funny rice doesn’t have the vison and the skills bro to make arsenal free flowing and create chances and dominate games bro he a good player but Partey better at 6 this ain’t west ham
My hope is that Partey will become a bench player at least some of the games. A real weapon second half if we need to raise the level. He faded terribly last season and I think Rice can do the 6 job better on a week to week basis but Partey will be seriously good in smaller blocks of time
I'd put Partey back as the Dm and have Rice as the 8, the only change from last season should be Rice in for Xhaka, which us an upgrade, hes convoluting things and its pissing me off to be honest, you've validated my thoughts. I saw everything you've said except the raw numbers 👌🏽
Arteta needs to watch this
I think as exciting as it was with last season's setup you've got to factor in that because of White being so up high, teams started playing long balls into that channel turning games into tennis like matches. Post World cup every team they faced played long balls to that zone.
Arteta is trying to fix this and he'll want to stop those kinds of matches happening first. Just look at how compact Arsenal are. Look at the counter press. Arsenal need to be more boring this season if they are to win stuff. Attacking fluency will come later when the player's get used to the new way of playing and when Zini and Jesus are back. Even players like Trossard will probably make the dynamics work better.
Neutrals finding your team exciting isn't always a good thing because it means that the opposition is also in the fight. Arteta wants to get rid of that fight completely. Make it as boring as possible because the opposition don't get a kick.
The best defensive midfield playing today,partner him with rice and odegaarde up top nketiah/havretz/jesus.we need a support for the best winger ,saka cant play every game martinelli, cant play every game it is good we have trossard, zinchenko at left back ben white on the right esr, a great standin for odegaarde or rice.. bsck up for saka and instill some iron into that team ,lots of skill buts their minds wander,,,,C.O.Y.G. SUPPORT UKRAINE FREE AND AT PEACE
What to do with one of the best midfielders in the league? Play him when fit. Silly question
From what i have seen he is much better when he has options all around him and not backed to a wall... he is great at finding the right option but not the best at making one himself
Bro I know you don't want to, but you must do a piece on Spurs & Ange... one of the most exciting things in PL at the moment !!!
We building a team around harvetz😢
Haaland missed 4 good chances but no one talking about it. He has scored in 2 of his last competitive games 😂. Eddie needs an injury free run to get his finishing going. Probably eventually he needs to go and start for a Palace Or West Ham? But he works hard and contributes. A goal in a 2-1 and got the penalty in a 1-0.
Play him in midfield and play White at RB with Gabriel as CB. Drop Havertz and watch the team start producing again.
Its funny how Arsenal fans keep disrespecting Partey... the reason he is being advised to leave them immediately for Juve, Chelsea or PSG. Hope he considers United... my dream
Why are you lying? Are you that desperate?
Thats true bro
Pls kai havertz what does mikel arteta line up tatical analysis pls
Arsenal simply lack an elite striker to knock the goals in with high confidence in most situations in combination with team goals. I'm guessing Havertz is supposed to boost goals and assists and variety of chances? Timber made Arsenal look like one of the elite teams for sure when he played. Doing a lot across defence and midfield and deep in the opposition half.
Can you do a comparison between Xhaka vs. Havertz output? I feel Havertz is doing the Xhaka role and doing it better. He is better defensively than I thought he was.
Arteta is overthinking things. Sometimes too much is not enough..
And you know that because ? Your experience in Premier League tells u this ??
@@briansmith975 Yeah dude. And some of you idiots are overthinking too. Sh!t was ok last season. Putting switching Partey and White while you have Zinchenko is overthinking..
@@lionmakunga6715While Zinchenko is coming back from injury and hasn't played in preseason or any other match in months. Sure Einstein, start him and get him injured again. So the idiot is not the people "overthinking" but the one who isn't thinking this through 😂
Statman Dave! Only just found this channel! When you coming back to the Crouchy Pod!?!?
Sometimes I don’t know what these guys watch, Partey out the team. Clearly mikel doesn’t trust rice in midfield on his own just yet so he needs Partey. Can guarantee Partey plays next game
Maybe not out jut yet but I feel Parteyis fading but still a real weapon when fresh. I looked up on Partey minutes years ago before we took him off Athletico. He hardly played 90 minutes in his career there. We paid him a load and expected more minutes. Not necessary now Rice is a monster !!!
Just put Saliba at RCB and Gabriel at LCB and the formation is fixed
when other players return to the line up they should move Rice to an 8 and partey to the dm, Kai Havertz is the weekest in the line up
I totally disagree with the Analysis, one ought to look at the impact of all players for the whole team’s effectiveness, in my view Havetz is the weakest link and Arteta had wanted him to do what Oodegard does with Saka on the right with Martinelli so that we can be potent in both sides , if the left side was potent, we wouldn’t be talking about this , so in my opinion we are blaming the best performing part of arsenal without realising that for it to perform optimally, the other side ought to perform. If lb had Tierney/ Zinch , Trossard and Martinelli and right Partey , Oordegard and Saka.
The right side is missing White 😅
We only play this formation against low blocks…
well they need to pass the ball around faster, and to obvious receivers of the pass. partey looks like he is allergic passing the ball to odegaard
I really don't agree with you on this one, in order to play rice and partey in the same team someone needs to drop out the line up and in case it is big gabi. Thomas partey will play left back in the next game
Let Arteta do his job, Arteta is very CLEVER. Even if Arteta puts Thomas Partey in the Goal, I will support him.
Our best player. Has to be central mid, world class. No one comes close to him. Using him as RB/mid is a complete waste. Rice will take some of the load off him, ad Jorginho can rotate with him to keep him fit. Against City we were as good as when we had Petit and Vieira playing together. We looked very solid, did not look solid against Forest or Palace.. Whats this nonsense tactics, trying to be too clever. Keep it to a 4 4 2, with White at RB.
Nice to see Arsenal winning and Yanited losing.
No, what does he do with Kai??
What to do with Havertz? He looks like another Ozil (minus his technique). Party should be a 6 CDM , let Rice cover for Xhaka
Arsenal is the most frustrating club to support. The pitfalls and player management inefficiencies are clear to the casual observer. Partey should never be used at RB, Havertz cannot be a starter yet, and Nketiah is wasteful. You simply cannot be title contenders with mediocre team management.
What are you even talking about. The balance is exactly the same with Zinchenkho or Partey. All you did was take Nketiah away from the right hand side and move him to the middle when you change the players... Garbage
Arsenal too crowded on the right side, causing left side too isolated like no penetration at all
@@johnlau6749 yeh, it's total nonsense. Eddie plays more towards the left if anything
It’s not rocket science, tierney lb, tomiyasu rb rice and partey in the middle with odegaard
Arteta needs to batter united with partey 😮
It's only 2 games plus the red card was ridiculous
Play him in cm/dm as he should be and terminate havertz contract
You cant destroy a team just to fit in one player,a bad one at that (havertz)
Arteta will cost Arsenal if does not see the game future. Once his left back has got a silly early Yellow Card he should sance the danger and do replacement. Why Trosard on bench will Jusus is absent. Rice is a best play in EPL if not in the global so let organize the winning Arsenal.
havertz should be benched and Rice and Partey play together midfield... then ESR, Vieira or Havertz can enter and change the game if needed
Dave stuck in the past 😂. It's a work in progress but just doing what we did last year ain't the plan.
Play him in midfield alongside odegaard and rice.. Arteta needs to stop over complicating things!
He learnt from the best though
And you know this because your experience in premiership coaching tells you that ……..
Bench Rice
What? 😂😂😂
Simple, just drop Havertz.
Sack him because he’s a rapist??? 🧐
Drop Havertz and bring Partey
arteta is overcomplicating things id like to see 4-2-3-1 with tierney and gabriel starting also this means havertz gets dropped which is a plus
What advantage at all will this have? Literally any at all
U heard what u said we down from last season in chances created we now10th in chances created this season we down from first are second right ? We tied with Everton for 10th right and we should drop partey to the bench u see u just show stats of your boy heat map for the game just running around absolutely doing nothing no progressive pass backward and side to side for the most part arsenal my team I know we messed up this season with these midfield signings we ain’t winning nothing this season with this rice Havertz odeergard midfield am gonna keep reminding you
This analysis is a stretch.
We have a good team but Arteta is our weak link
Arteta😢
Arteta's changing everything to try and fit Havertz into the team. Hes jeopardising the team to justify his expensive signing.
partey = greenwood on steroids, any input on that
In my opinion, Havertz right now is a passenger and disrupting this system by taking out a fullback or Partey as a midfielder to accommodate him and it doesn't feel like the sacrifice is bearing any sort of fruit. Arsenal do NOT look more potent going forward.
Like many fans, I question this acquisition, because it just seems that Mikel has disrupted his entire system that he got working last season to bring this guy in and it makes no sense to me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! Arsenal needed a 25-30 goals a season striker, £65m should get you, or at least getting you three quarters towards such a player. There has been no evidence thus far in the Premier League that Havertz will fit that bill to me....
I'm getting Ozil vibes, but at least I could tell you what Ozil was good at when he decided to show up. I can't even tell you what Havertz's best traits are, anyone have any ideas?
Chelsea are in bad need of a striker themselves to 99% complete their squad and they sell Havertz to Arsenal - what does that tell you?
We only played him their because Zinchenko was injured.
And no timber.
@@peterandjunkoTomiyasu is replacing Timber, Partey is doing Zinchenko's role of inverting
What app is that?