Ontario Rat 1 Aus-8 vs Ontario Rat 1 D2, edge retention battle to the death. Who will win?
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- čas přidán 14. 03. 2019
- Ontario Rat 1 Aus-8 vs Ontario Rat 1 D2 for the edge retention heavy weight belt. Long overdue comparison here and its settled. I didnt know how this would come out and there were some surprises along the way.
Did D2 reign supreme?
Did Aus-8 take the crown?
Did aliens conspire to take over?
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As always I appreciate your time and thanks for watching.
First, now that that's out of the way.
I left the video in real time so everyone could see exactly how much each one cut for the test. Both were sharpened enough times to get rid of any fatigued steel.
what you came to see at 33.00 mins thank me later
Thanks for putting in the work man, glad you were satisfied with the results
I appreciate the knife brother, thank you. It was a good test for sure.
Great video. Finally some objetive information on D2 and AUS8 on OKC RAT knives. I have both. Now I know I can use them indistinctively.
Dude, that’s awesome! That’s really good to see man, and like Ryan said, it was great to hear the joy in your voice in the conclusion. Thanks for all you do bud✌️
You're welcome, this was a great test. I was really happy with the results of both knives.
I just recently heard about D2 and thought it sounded like a good steel for EDC. I have a Rat1 in AUS8 already so I'm glad I didn't waste money buying a D2 blade. Thanks for putting in the work. You saved me time and money. Keep up the good work
D2 is an ancient steel. You might want to see the test where they're cutting rope with these knives. D2 wins there by far. For meat, again D2.
Yeah this test isn't that good... many videos with D2 smoking the Aus 8
Great channel! Very thorough, learn a lot.
Thank you
Thats awesome. I was going to buy a aus 8 version but felt like the d2 may be better. Glad you did this. I will pick up the aus 8. 👍🏼
You should look at Cedric and Ada’s comparison. One test can produce an anomaly. Overall AUS8 is a lesser steel, just how much is up for debate. That said, I have not found a reason to upgrade my AUS8 RAT1, but were I to buy a new one, I would go for the D2 model. It is in fact a harder steel and absolutely will hold a working edge longer. The good news is the Ontario RAT1 is a great design steel notwithstanding.
@@cbwelch4 Aus8, lesser steel only as far as edge retention goes in most tests. But superior as far as resharpening, and stain resistance .
I mean as for sharpening, higher wear resistance goes both ways. In the end it allows you to not need to cut your job short sometimes. Diamond plates aren't that pricey nowadays and they eat most steels pretty easily.@@daveyboy6985
Just came across this vid. What an in depth comparison. I just ordered the ONT Rat 2 in D2. Could have saved a few bucks but wanted the carbon fiber scales. Thanks.
Damn man I always thought of D2 as a really bad steel like 8cr13 but after steve's and your video I really changed my mind.. well at least on Ontarios AUS-8. They do a great job with it. My Rat-1 will probably get some carry time again..
Those are the videos we need man, thank you
You're welcome, I always trusted my Aus-8 Rat just from use. It still rides in my backpack daily, it hasn't let me down yet and now I know it performs well too.
I have stuck with the Rat1 Aus8 for it stain resistance. It’s always done well for me. Some of my D2 blades just rust to easy in my environment. Good to see real results! Thanks
You're welcome
AUS-8 is obviously seriously under rated after our tests. Great video!
Ontario does Aus-8 very well, I'll do my Cold Steel when it gets back from Kurt and see I'd it compares.
At least Rat's AUS8. I wouldn't speculate into other makers.... but Ontario seems to deliver the goods and quality all right indeed.
Rat 1 in aus 8.i just love mine comfortable and a great shape for work. Atb paddy 👍😊☘️
Jack FarmBoy just recently gave me the D2 Rat so all I had to go.off for 2 years was the Aus-8 Rat. It was a solid knife the whole time and still is. It rides in my backpack that goes everywhere with me because it never lets me down.
Very interesting video. Enjoyed it. 👍s up.
Hollywood !!! great info, great viewing, thanks for taking the time to do this.I have a RAT 1 AUS 8 and a RAT 2 in D2. I think that D2 in the smaller RAT 2is a perfect combo and makes sense. Cheaper too.
For whatever reason, I'm just seeing this video now. I am subbed and yes I've clicked the bell. I know CZcams is censoring political type videos like crazy, but how is a video like yours "controversial"? This is getting ridiculous.
Anyway, although I like D2, AUS8 is highly underrated and dismissed as junk steel. IF it is done right, it is nowhere near as bad as people seem to think. I have a rat in both steels, and admittedly have never done a head to head test, but have never been disappointed in either one.
Thank you for all you do for the knife community! It's good to know your knife steels capabilities and limits, but it also needs to be taken in context of what the knife is designed for, and how a person uses their knife. If you bought it for work, these tests are highly important, if you bought it to use as a casual light duty cut your apple and open your mail type of carry, not quite as important, although still good to know just what you are spending your money on. Putting a different steel on a knife raises the price, but does not always raise the performance. This is a classic example of that.I appreciate greatly what you and a few others are doing with all these tests.
Great informative comment. I made an impulsive purchase on the rat 1 in AUS 8, and was worried afterward about how well the steel will hold up when I go camping. Your comment helped answer some of the queries I had about whether or not I will be disappointed by the AUS 8 steel on the R1. Thank you.
So did you feel like the D2 took longer to sharpen or both about the same?
I have an AUS8 RAT-1 that I love. It is my favorite beater folder. It is gd enough that is hard to justify just the blade upgrade... or maybe it is.
I wonder if the matte finish affects how slicing feels
Thanks so much for doing this one. I have a Rat 1 in D2 and a Rat 1A in AUS 8. The assisted Rat 1A’s action is great. Thanks again.
hello, what and the sharpening angle of the ontario rat 2 with the d2 steel
seems like we are overpaying for d2 and underpaying for aus8
Keep in mind this only applies to cardboard which I find to be the closest thing to edc use for a measurable media. I do though find Cold Steel and Ontario Aus-8 to be quite a bit better than most give credit to.
that why i bought my rat in aus8. there a quite a few videos saying the say thing which made my choice easy
You don't pay for steel based on it's performance lol, you pay for steel baed on how much the bar stock costs to purchase, import and heat treat.
Londinium Armoury 🤦🏻♂️ you’re not buying steel, you are buying a knife in which you do pay for based on the performance...it’s a performance based tool idiot...bet you wouldn’t spend $5000 on a knife made of gold just bc he metal itself is worth that...
@@josheakins5137 You're the idiot who doesn't understand economics and the knife industry. Prices are not based on edge retention, do you think you should pay more for a knife just because the HRC is higher? A gold knife would not be cheaper than a knife made of 440C, just because 440C has a higher HRC, gold is still more expensive, are you a child?
Wow!
That's what I thought too
A thing with the softer steels. Is that if they loose their edge slightly, it's usually just the edge Rolling over, so After a little use , just give the edge a little tickle up on a butcher's steel,
This will realign the edge, and will bring knife back to really sharp again. And when this doesn't work any more. Then it's time to actually sharpen the knife again. For this reason I would choose aus8, over D2. And Aus 8 easier to sharpen , and more stain resistance.
Но D2 дольше и лучше держит кромку. И твердость больше . Её просто нужно протирать от воды .
@@PE69TA_u3_4ATA I have no translation to your post, so can't understand.
Under scanning electron microscopes, ScienceOfSharp found that butcher steels do actually sharpen the edge, not realign it.
Really nice test, I'm a bit confused since there's another popular test video where the guy compare the two rat 1 but cutting rope instead of cardboard and the d2 end up cutting 50% more then the aus-8 ..?
That test was flawed they dragged the Aus 8 blade after cuts and didn't use the part of the d2 blade that was doing the cutting of the rope for the paper test I don't think they ment to-do it like that but it's why they got the results they did.
That's incredible. I was understanding the understanding that D2 is superior to aus8 when it comes to edge retention.
How are the USA made D2s stack against AUS8s?
On paper the D2 should be a better steel but apparently D2 is much more difficult to consistently heat treat in larger production batches. So it looks like the AUS 8 would be a better choice for high volume budget production knives.
So, do I need to sharpen my RAT 5 times before I get to a good quality edge like the ones tested, or will it perform like this right out of the gate? Thanks!
I've been carrying and using a RAT 1 in D2 and and RAT 2 in AUS-8 for almost 2 years. Both came hair-shaving sharp. I have yet to need to sharpen either one. Both are still razor sharp. Best budget knives ever.
@@JoeMac1983 That's incredible! Makes me glad to know I have a RAT 1 in AUS-8. I have it at a mirror edge, 15°/side. I haven't used it much get, but glad to know the fuel is legit. Thanks for the response! 😃
I know no two knife tests are the same but was just curious as to why you think you have gotten different results than Cedric ada? You seem to show a the “high end”(sv30 m390 etc.) steel much closer “mid”(d2 vg10) and to the “Low end”(aus 8 and 9cr13mov). I believe the rest JSU curious why you think you are getting different results?
Perfect question, different media cut will produce different results. If the media keeps changing the way the same knives cut does as well. Rope, cardboard, plastics, woven material and so on. I use cardboard because it falls in line with daily edc use for most of us.
Outpost 76 seems like a fair choice thanks
I just ordered a Rat 1 and Rat 2 new from the Ontario Amazon store each knife was just under $25 with free shipping in 2022 "US peso dollars" that is two AUS-8 brand name knives for just over 1/2 tank of gas.
So I know I'm a little late to the game. But I'm getting ready to buy my first rat 2. I'm not going to be heavily using and abusing the knife. But which steel would you recommend.? If price wasn't a factor. Would you recommend a guy like me get the D2 or the Aus8? Thanks 😎👍
I'd go with the Aus-8 version. They are far more consistent than the D2.
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Thanks
I was dreaming about a rat2 in d2 last night.
You need either more or less alcohol.
So is D2 harder but not a tough as aus8 abrasive wise? So what I'm saying is will d2 gut more wood but less cardboard? I wouldn't think so if D2 is harder to sharpen supposedly. I do think my aus8 seems great and pretty sharp straight out of the box. I say pretty sharp only because I'm use to mirrored edges. It's really sharp straight out of the box and only a few swipes on a steel it'll do a smooth shave easy. Been considering getting a D2 but I'm not sure now after watching this even though others seem to get almost double the performance in reviews cutting rope from the D2. Trying to relate on what's happened here? Is there a possibility you got a, seemingly very isolated incident if so, dud D2 that wasn't hardened as good as others? Or is it possible the rat is so popular you may have gotten a fake D2 model somehow? Any ideas on the possibilities for the outcome being so different from others experiences? Thanks for the video
Between Steve and myself we have tested 6 or 7 different D2 Rat 1 and 2. This one I used in the video has been the best so far. I have on here now on loan that kept chipping on the owner and 3 edges later its chipping for me as well. It also goes dull very fast compared to other D2 I've tested. I know there us a huge hype over D2 and many think it's good but for me most of what I've used and tested hasn't been good at all. Lots of the import China D2 doesn't do much better than 8cr13 and I'll have a video soon showing just that. I'll give an example of 2 I've already tested, a Kershaw 8cr13 and a Steel Will D2. The Kershaw did 84 feet working edge for 8cr13 and the Steel Will D2 did 85 feet working edge. That's less than a 1% difference. As far as wood goes D2 isn't something I use on wood so I can't say. Performance will depend on use, for normal day to day edc of most people Aus-8 will do well. Heat treat is everything and on paper D2 should be more wear resistant than Aus-8 but Ontario does a very good heat treat on their Aus-8 and not so much on the D2.
@@Outpost_76 thanks a lot for the help
Where to buy ON knives now?
Nice! Anomaly in the matrix 😅 I think sanrenmu 12c27 might be another one. Will you do us the honors and test this one? Can be had for 12$ on 6070 model. 20$ for it in Land model. I think it's a really interesting option for us budget folks and would love to see how it compares to 8cr13, d2 and aus8.
I have one of theirs in 12c27 to test and it will be up after I get through the loaners I have.
@@Outpost_76 wooo! Can't wait ! ! God bless and see ya on the next one :)
amazing brother .. take care.. I have knife content, too..
Glad mine is an aus 8
Someone needs to test out the new S35VN model. I think it would outshine the D2 and Aus8.
😊👌
Do it again, but without a "painted blade" Rat 1= D2 this time-- plain finished blade against another plain blade. Coated or painted blades suck for cutting, they take the "glide" out of the ride.
More importantly, coated blades are often tempered hotter than plain blades, which is less ideal even at the same hardness value, hotter second peak temper is more brittle.
Two will enter, one will leave! And the results are very interesting! However I think we are seeing the difference in using ASTM D2 VS "Chinese D2" not to mention the HT.
Ontario Rat are GOOD value knives for the price, I'm shocked at the quality you get for such low price
Where can you buy them, now that Ontario is folding?😢
Get what you want now, they are available in most places still. After that it's hard to say.
That's sped up?!?!
So then why are people charging more for d2 then??
Supply and demand as the kool-aid dictates. For example, there is obscenely high demand for my zen-like, masterful sharpening skills, so I am able to charge top dollar.
Mike Gault it also seems like OKC’s AUS8 is WAAAAAAAYYY above average.
@@aaronkahn-bork1120 I'm going to find out. Kurt tested a Cold Steel Aus-8 for me and it will be back this week so I can see if it does as well as this Ontario did.
D2 may cost more because of better toughness than aus8. Edge retention and toughness are not the same. So d2 might do better in higher stress aplication than carboard slicing. This is my presumption since d2 is a steel cutting steel.. if someone knows more would be nice to hear if I'm on the right track here.
Outpost 76 can’t wait to see your results!
Если D2 плохая, почему она дороже Aus8? Задумайтесь. D2 нужно протирать от воды и всё.
min. 6,36sec ....cheater