Most Dominican people are indifferent to sensual bachata or other forms of bachata. In fact when they see, they seem to be fascinated by other styles. It is mostly Dominican bachata teachers who are often not Dominicans themselves say Dominicans feel insulted by other forms of bachata,
Not true... I am Dominican and I learned bachata at age 5 in my Kitchen. My mother was my teacher. No-one I know is impressed by this cultural appropriation. Believe me, we are skeptical about the Haitian Bachata and we DAMN SURE are not going to let Europe escape what they have done to our dance style without criticism.
Brilliant & insightful video. I'm not going to comment on Bachata directly only to say that 'What you say is the same with Cuban Salsa'. Even down to dancing in Cuba on the streets in the houses. What people don't understand here in the UK is that what they teacher in 'Cuban' salsa classes is a Pasteurised version. And that it's the frame-work of moves & sets from which to move on as you get a sense of the spirit of Cuban Salsa. I'm flying into Santiago de Cuba next week for the International Jazz festival & will be in the Casa de la Trova. Shall be there for a month. I doubt that I will see the teacher from Coventry that told me 'that not a women's move only a mans !'😂When I 1st went to Cuba 8 years ago the the women were laughing at me because i was doing women's moves. "Non that's only the Chica" 🤣
Oh lord... I can relate to that so much 🙈. Well, have fun, enjoy every m9ment which I'm sure you will and bring back some knowledge that you could share with others 😉
Do what you prefer. Don’t stick your nose up to the other styles. I prefer Dominican style. I enjoy learning more about sensual. Sensual is the path of least resistance so people gravitate to it more. I like the challenge and the footwork of Dominican style.
There is an idiom is spanish saying "being more popist that the pope" (ser más papista que el papa), which in this case applies to most non-dominican advocates of dominican bachata who hate on other bachata styles, because most dominicans don't feel insulted by people dancing their own way.
Dominican here.... What you are saying is not true. I am Dominican and we totally dislike the crazy European Bachata you call Sensual Bachata. The greater point here is cultural appropriation. Spain has always taken from the Caribbean in terms of resources to monetise from it and now you guys have done it again. The Spanish invented the Sensual Bachata and the music isn't even in Spanish anymore.... Call this bullshit something else and stop the cultural appropriation. Be Unique. Be Europe. You don't have to steal things from the poor carribean (or African) countries anymore.
@@MIZRAIM1906 obviously no one can speak for everyone in a country, but it's not stealing lol. No one's saying sensual is dominican The music it is danced to usually is also not dominican bachata. it definetly evolved from bachata and it is subject to the bachata structure, so it is important to acknowledge the roots. Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from dancing a more traditional style, so talking about stealing is pure victimism. All dances evolve, just as much as the music it is danced to. Fusion happens all the time, that's part of the art. Ok, you don't like or don't agree with it being called bachata, and in some cases I might agree, but no one is trying to force this into your country anyway, so it is not an attack to your culture in any way, it is an addition that more and different people can enjoy
@@javiecija96 You still don't get it.... You must be from Europe. First of all, the word "Evolve" indicates a state better than the previous. If anything, "Sensual bachata" devolved from real bachata into a pure sex fest on the dance floor. Secondly, I'm not saying Sensual is Dominican. I'm saying Bachata IS Dominican Bachata and if you are not dancing Dominican Bachata, you are not dancing Bachata. It is recognised by UNESCO so please stop confusing what you Europeans dance to what we invented and is world recognised. Please call it "Sensual" or "Sexual" or whatever but do not call it Bachata because you are NOT dancing bachata.
@@MIZRAIM1906 no, evolution does not imply an improvement. Baroque music evolved into classical music. Does that make classical music better than baroque? Not at all. I get that you take it personal because it is part of your culture and that doesn't allow you to be objective.
Thanks for giving us the history of Bachata. I can understand how the Dominicans feel. After all, the original Bachata dance came from them! For those who don’t understand how the Dominicans feel, how would you feel if someone took the name of your original product and just added a sexy element to it but still called it by the name you gave to your original product? You wouldn’t like it either if that other style is what most people think of when they say Bachata.
I wouldn’t care at all 🤷🏻♀️ dance it an art you take the basics and give it little spice. Our bodies are different and everyone is allowed to have there own interpretation of any dance
Bachata Sensual could have been called Bachata Zouk... That would have been much clearer and honoured both dance styles that it took influence from. Dance is an art form. It would be a sad world if we didn't let people interpret the music and fuse different styles. I love bachata Sensual but the more I learn about the history the more I was to learn Dominican! Bachateros should try to learn both styles because ultimately when the Mambo comes on you want that fancy footwork is any song! That's one thing that is really missing at the moment - musicality. All Bachata classes just teach figures/combos and in the social people aren't listening to the music and putting bloody waves and body rolls in a Mambo step or doing the basic step when there is no guirra or Bongos...
Now I think about it - is anyone from Zouk angry that Bachata Sensual is only calling itself Bachata? When it's so clear the defining features of the dance is allll from Zouk? We know it's a fact Korke took influence from Zouk... BachaZouk. There we go - I've solved it xD
@@Megara_baila I think zouk dancers not upset because even zouk came far from original version and they have about 6 different types...dance changes with time. But I really like zouk bachata name 🤣
Thank you for sharing all these insights. The world of dance is always on the move, always changing, and it takes a while to recognize and destill the latest trend when you are right in the middle of it. I saw it last night again: Salseros give up early, while the Bachateros are the ones to leave their floor much later - the difference in age is also visible. I hear teachers reporting that new students and new faces mostly/only appear in Bachata classes.
@@DanceWithRasa Sensual is the trend, to be precise. Zouk, West Coast and Forró are at least trying. In a way one could consider Sensual dope: Rather quick to learn, early reward, great to show off, and you can get close and curvy with a justification. ;-) End of rant
So you're saying people hate it, not for what it is, but for what it's called. 🤔 I always wondered what the beef was about. I like them both. I've always been more of a body movement dancer than a footwork dancer. I have respect for both. As you say, they are clearly different.
Nothing makes me angrier than English bachata remixes (even salsa remixes). It makes me hate the original AND the offending genre. I like Dominican. I wish it was what I was introduced to first instead of the shit. I have an acquaintance who said "no thanks. I don't like Fast complicated steps. That's not bachata. I prefer connection". Grrr
My "Dominican" is fairly mediocre. Usually white women that dance with domincans tell me that. But I can't comprehend people thinking there is no connection. Maybe because you don't have to match steps per Se, but if there is no frame or connection, than alot of circularity and tension moves (don't know what they're called) would be physically impossible.
I actually like the remixes... There are a lot of remixes like the remixes better than the original... To each their own... It was actually a remixed song that I liked that brought my attention to bachata originally and it wasn't until a while after I started learning sensual bachata that I knew what traditional bachata was. I enjoy that as well but there aren't really any instructors around me that teach Dominican Bachata. To your point about connection though, I feel like a lot of people don't really know what connection means... I have seen people talk about having connection and then when they dance it's clear that they aren't really connected, they are just walking through patterns they learned.
Good points. Especially: 1) Teachers should always consider dance as a culture and historical element and give insights about that. 2) Dances are changing anytime and can get any influence (caribbean dances are an amazing example given that they incoporate european, african and american styles); so whoever wants to talk about "authenticity" should be aware of the history behind that dance. I disagree though about using the term "bachata" for sensual bachata could be wrong. For us west people it is not an improper use as "bachata sensual" is a european style which is most popular than dominican nowadays. I agree that people should know all the differences about those terms. Anyway I am glad to see that one can talk about it and engage in a discussion and have a confrontation. This generates culture and a dance style keeps existing if it has a cultural fundament and evolution; although it is just a fashion doomed to fade
There's not such thing as a Bachata Sensual. Because the Europeans couldn't dance the speed of the Bachata from Dominican republic, They came with this nonsense of bachata Sensual, Because you can't do all this crazy waves with your upper body dancing Dominican's bachata.
Like it or not bachata Sensual/Fusión contribution to the Latin dance scene around the world is enormous and undeniable. Many people who start taking bachata classes only because they saw those sensual bachata videos on social media get into or at least try salsa, kizomba, Dominican bachata etc. So, basically Bachata Sensual helps popularising other dance styles including Dominican Bachata.
Bachata sensual was created with the purpose of making money, so yeah, that's the only good thing it did, cause that was the sole reason of his creation.
So here is a question: Is the popularity of Sensual mostly driven by female desires and the wish for types of expression that others dances, like HipHop or complicated Zouk, cannot deliver? The guys naturally go where the grrls are. CUT. What I honestly dislike are teacher/couple promos and presentations with kiss (on stage) and the finger-heart. It might just be me, yet this is where people leave the "dance" sphere and transgress into "happy & superficial lifestyle".
Just so that you don't get me wrong: Sensual introduces interesting moves and concepts, and I do like when also leaders/men actually *dance* it as compared to manage the follower. Good couples present a flow that is great to watch.
"The guys naturally go where the girls are" Really? I am learning bachata for a year already. In all classes there are more men then women. In fastivals too by the way.
Thank you rasa for the information . Thank you so much .
You're most welcome😇
Quick answer, no, not anymore, it's Instagram Bachata.
A lot of it really true.
Most Dominican people are indifferent to sensual bachata or other forms of bachata. In fact when they see, they seem to be fascinated by other styles. It is mostly Dominican bachata teachers who are often not Dominicans themselves say Dominicans feel insulted by other forms of bachata,
Interesting 😏
Not true... I am Dominican and I learned bachata at age 5 in my Kitchen. My mother was my teacher. No-one I know is impressed by this cultural appropriation. Believe me, we are skeptical about the Haitian Bachata and we DAMN SURE are not going to let Europe escape what they have done to our dance style without criticism.
Great video!!! Always love you thoughts and views and education about the dancing
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Brilliant & insightful video. I'm not going to comment on Bachata directly only to say that 'What you say is the same with Cuban Salsa'. Even down to dancing in Cuba on the streets in the houses. What people don't understand here in the UK is that what they teacher in 'Cuban' salsa classes is a Pasteurised version. And that it's the frame-work of moves & sets from which to move on as you get a sense of the spirit of Cuban Salsa. I'm flying into Santiago de Cuba next week for the International Jazz festival & will be in the Casa de la Trova. Shall be there for a month. I doubt that I will see the teacher from Coventry that told me 'that not a women's move only a mans !'😂When I 1st went to Cuba 8 years ago the the women were laughing at me because i was doing women's moves. "Non that's only the Chica" 🤣
Oh lord... I can relate to that so much 🙈. Well, have fun, enjoy every m9ment which I'm sure you will and bring back some knowledge that you could share with others 😉
Do what you prefer. Don’t stick your nose up to the other styles. I prefer Dominican style. I enjoy learning more about sensual. Sensual is the path of least resistance so people gravitate to it more. I like the challenge and the footwork of Dominican style.
I agree, we just people to quickly 🫠
There is an idiom is spanish saying "being more popist that the pope" (ser más papista que el papa), which in this case applies to most non-dominican advocates of dominican bachata who hate on other bachata styles, because most dominicans don't feel insulted by people dancing their own way.
Dominican here.... What you are saying is not true. I am Dominican and we totally dislike the crazy European Bachata you call Sensual Bachata. The greater point here is cultural appropriation. Spain has always taken from the Caribbean in terms of resources to monetise from it and now you guys have done it again. The Spanish invented the Sensual Bachata and the music isn't even in Spanish anymore.... Call this bullshit something else and stop the cultural appropriation. Be Unique. Be Europe. You don't have to steal things from the poor carribean (or African) countries anymore.
@@MIZRAIM1906 obviously no one can speak for everyone in a country, but it's not stealing lol. No one's saying sensual is dominican The music it is danced to usually is also not dominican bachata. it definetly evolved from bachata and it is subject to the bachata structure, so it is important to acknowledge the roots. Nothing is preventing you or anyone else from dancing a more traditional style, so talking about stealing is pure victimism. All dances evolve, just as much as the music it is danced to. Fusion happens all the time, that's part of the art. Ok, you don't like or don't agree with it being called bachata, and in some cases I might agree, but no one is trying to force this into your country anyway, so it is not an attack to your culture in any way, it is an addition that more and different people can enjoy
@@javiecija96 You still don't get it.... You must be from Europe. First of all, the word "Evolve" indicates a state better than the previous. If anything, "Sensual bachata" devolved from real bachata into a pure sex fest on the dance floor. Secondly, I'm not saying Sensual is Dominican. I'm saying Bachata IS Dominican Bachata and if you are not dancing Dominican Bachata, you are not dancing Bachata. It is recognised by UNESCO so please stop confusing what you Europeans dance to what we invented and is world recognised. Please call it "Sensual" or "Sexual" or whatever but do not call it Bachata because you are NOT dancing bachata.
@@MIZRAIM1906 no, evolution does not imply an improvement. Baroque music evolved into classical music. Does that make classical music better than baroque? Not at all. I get that you take it personal because it is part of your culture and that doesn't allow you to be objective.
Thanks for giving us the history of Bachata. I can understand how the Dominicans feel. After all, the original Bachata dance came from them! For those who don’t understand how the Dominicans feel, how would you feel if someone took the name of your original product and just added a sexy element to it but still called it by the name you gave to your original product? You wouldn’t like it either if that other style is what most people think of when they say Bachata.
Exactly right, it's just paying respect where its due 😉
I wouldn’t care at all 🤷🏻♀️ dance it an art you take the basics and give it little spice. Our bodies are different and everyone is allowed to have there own interpretation of any dance
Bachata Sensual could have been called Bachata Zouk... That would have been much clearer and honoured both dance styles that it took influence from.
Dance is an art form. It would be a sad world if we didn't let people interpret the music and fuse different styles. I love bachata Sensual but the more I learn about the history the more I was to learn Dominican! Bachateros should try to learn both styles because ultimately when the Mambo comes on you want that fancy footwork is any song! That's one thing that is really missing at the moment - musicality. All Bachata classes just teach figures/combos and in the social people aren't listening to the music and putting bloody waves and body rolls in a Mambo step or doing the basic step when there is no guirra or Bongos...
Spot on your comment !
Now I think about it - is anyone from Zouk angry that Bachata Sensual is only calling itself Bachata? When it's so clear the defining features of the dance is allll from Zouk? We know it's a fact Korke took influence from Zouk... BachaZouk. There we go - I've solved it xD
@@Megara_baila I think zouk dancers not upset because even zouk came far from original version and they have about 6 different types...dance changes with time. But I really like zouk bachata name 🤣
But then you have the problem that what we call zouk sounds nothing like REAL zouk (Kassav, Zouk Machine, Franky Vincent, etc.)
@@shaolin1derpalm yeah , zouk has its own changes 😁
Thank you for sharing all these insights. The world of dance is always on the move, always changing, and it takes a while to recognize and destill the latest trend when you are right in the middle of it. I saw it last night again: Salseros give up early, while the Bachateros are the ones to leave their floor much later - the difference in age is also visible. I hear teachers reporting that new students and new faces mostly/only appear in Bachata classes.
At the moment, bachata is the new trend, but also kizomba is coming up big time 😊
@@DanceWithRasa Sensual is the trend, to be precise. Zouk, West Coast and Forró are at least trying. In a way one could consider Sensual dope: Rather quick to learn, early reward, great to show off, and you can get close and curvy with a justification. ;-) End of rant
@@philippvonklitzing9736 your rants are great 👍
So you're saying people hate it, not for what it is, but for what it's called. 🤔 I always wondered what the beef was about. I like them both. I've always been more of a body movement dancer than a footwork dancer. I have respect for both. As you say, they are clearly different.
I like them both too , I just think information in general is important 😉
Nothing makes me angrier than English bachata remixes (even salsa remixes). It makes me hate the original AND the offending genre.
I like Dominican. I wish it was what I was introduced to first instead of the shit.
I have an acquaintance who said "no thanks. I don't like Fast complicated steps. That's not bachata. I prefer connection". Grrr
A lot of people don't understand that in Dominican bachata we have plenty connection ☺️
My "Dominican" is fairly mediocre. Usually white women that dance with domincans tell me that.
But I can't comprehend people thinking there is no connection. Maybe because you don't have to match steps per Se, but if there is no frame or connection, than alot of circularity and tension moves (don't know what they're called) would be physically impossible.
I actually like the remixes... There are a lot of remixes like the remixes better than the original... To each their own... It was actually a remixed song that I liked that brought my attention to bachata originally and it wasn't until a while after I started learning sensual bachata that I knew what traditional bachata was. I enjoy that as well but there aren't really any instructors around me that teach Dominican Bachata. To your point about connection though, I feel like a lot of people don't really know what connection means... I have seen people talk about having connection and then when they dance it's clear that they aren't really connected, they are just walking through patterns they learned.
@@FFOndra I like some remixes too 😉
Good points. Especially: 1) Teachers should always consider dance as a culture and historical element and give insights about that. 2) Dances are changing anytime and can get any influence (caribbean dances are an amazing example given that they incoporate european, african and american styles); so whoever wants to talk about "authenticity" should be aware of the history behind that dance.
I disagree though about using the term "bachata" for sensual bachata could be wrong. For us west people it is not an improper use as "bachata sensual" is a european style which is most popular than dominican nowadays. I agree that people should know all the differences about those terms. Anyway I am glad to see that one can talk about it and engage in a discussion and have a confrontation. This generates culture and a dance style keeps existing if it has a cultural fundament and evolution; although it is just a fashion doomed to fade
Thank you for your input 😉
Thank you🥰🥰🥰
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There's not such thing as a Bachata Sensual. Because the Europeans couldn't dance the speed of the Bachata from Dominican republic, They came with this nonsense of bachata Sensual, Because you can't do all this crazy waves with your upper body dancing Dominican's bachata.
I understand what you are saying, but in fairness, all styles come from smth and develop into smth.
👍...🏆 2nd best, truthful & most brutally honest comment here 👏👏
@@bachatero1979 👍
Have to agree that because ppl weren’t properly trained to dance the original Bachata they started adding there own methods into the dance.
@oscarjara1544 if they would have been properly trained they would still add their own thing. Its in hour nature, to experiment.
I don't like sensual bachata.
Fair enough 👌
Like it or not bachata Sensual/Fusión contribution to the Latin dance scene around the world is enormous and undeniable. Many people who start taking bachata classes only because they saw those sensual bachata videos on social media get into or at least try salsa, kizomba, Dominican bachata etc. So, basically Bachata Sensual helps popularising other dance styles including Dominican Bachata.
In a way , that is true 👍
Bachata sensual was created with the purpose of making money, so yeah, that's the only good thing it did, cause that was the sole reason of his creation.
@Est.Sar. 92 I don't think that is fair to say, the couple who created it did not do it for money.
The truth finally!!! Thank you Rasa!
Well just trying to be honest 😇😇😇
You mentioned how shifting one’s weight is different in sensual bachata vs Dominican ? Could you maybe elaborate more on that in a video
Absolutely 💯
Yes it is
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So here is a question: Is the popularity of Sensual mostly driven by female desires and the wish for types of expression that others dances, like HipHop or complicated Zouk, cannot deliver? The guys naturally go where the grrls are. CUT. What I honestly dislike are teacher/couple promos and presentations with kiss (on stage) and the finger-heart. It might just be me, yet this is where people leave the "dance" sphere and transgress into "happy & superficial lifestyle".
Just so that you don't get me wrong: Sensual introduces interesting moves and concepts, and I do like when also leaders/men actually *dance* it as compared to manage the follower. Good couples present a flow that is great to watch.
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I actually really do not like that too !
"The guys naturally go where the girls are" Really? I am learning bachata for a year already. In all classes there are more men then women. In fastivals too by the way.
@alexanderv4609 yes but that's a recent change and it's because the guys cought up where the girls are and that they like dancing with good dancers 😉