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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- My thoughts on why membership could mean better things and a guaranteed future for Siege.
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Just to clear any confusion here because I've seen some people say it, I am ABSOLUTELY NOT paid by Ubisoft in anyway to make this video! This just my opinion on it and why I think it's happening. I'm not saying I'm buzzing about it either but it *COULD* be a good thing for the future of Siege.
You know I honestly agree with your opinion and honestly, you don't need to buy the membership anyway because guess what if you get the new skin for Warden somebody's probably going to sell it in the marketplace so honestly you're going to be buying it on the marketplace from someone else if you want it
If you were paid by UBI you wouldn’t be highlighting what you don’t like about it. Don’t get how people don’t understand that you’re just giving your opinion which you’re entitled to and people if they like you and your channel should like hearing your opinion whether they agree with it or not.
I get the point you are trying to make but it blows my mind that you believe that this game did not have enough monetization before this new membership
Yeah. Sure. It is hard to calculate how much they really made by each element of the game. But remember that the new content was always for free.
what is blowing my mind is that he is not aware that Siege is already making a huge amount of money. and he believes this membership is only for Siege development. while it is implemented to pay for ubisoft failures (skull and bones, heartland, xdefiant, etc..)
@@glenspleen2969 Well. It could be, but it is still normal business. A company needs to write black numbers. And if other projekts didn't work, than it is how it is.
Just dont buy it.
And you know this for sure? Or just what you might think?
@@alyttleton i find it very indicative that Siege is in the top 5 most-played game on PlayStation and near top 10 on PC after 9 years. And that we get zero content next season😉
I would buy a monthly membership in a heartbeat IF the game wasn't littered with cheaters.
I've sworn to never give them a penny until they fix the cheating endemic.
the Ultimate Catch-22
need money to win the arms race vs Cheaters but people wont pay to get some perks and to try and help Ubi against the cheaters. because of the cheating epidemic.
As someone who works in finance i get why. Live service game, after 9 years, need revenue stream to provide server maintenance, update and content. Thus, i’m ok with this if they deliver ! If not, it seems like a cash grab.
Ubi need to switch in second gear or else it’s bad.
Exactly this. If we put more in, we expect more out. If more doesn't come out then there will be issues of course.
Yeah because Ubisoft is just a small indie game company who needs subscriptions just to keep the lights on, its not like they're a AAAA game developer. If they needed money they would have made this game have an initial buying price, with additional in game microtransactions for cosmetics and boosters, plus a battle pass on top of the initial game price
@@Brianuuuuits also a fact that Ubisoft is currently having troubles with money due to Siege being their only real money maker for years (besides maybe XDefiant now). i hate corporate shit as much as the next person but they actually do need funds in some way. plus, remember that its the suits at the top telling them to add these things and not from the devs themselves
@@BrianuuuuThat is exactly how the game came though. It released for like 60 bucks, with a couple of micro transactions for skins then eventually the black ice bundle once frost and buck were released. Its changed in recent years but us who bought day one shelled out a good chunk of change.
@@Taigatotmy guy he was being obviously sarcastic
As much as I PERSONALLY dislike the membership, I agree that it’s needed. A profitable R6 = Ubisoft continually supporting it
Exactly this. And of course, it's optional.
“Why membership is a good thing for rainbow”
Apology video with a ukulele incoming by next week
Hahahaha, it felt like that at the beginning. P.s I can play the ukulele.
I half agree with you, I was one of those who got the last Premium Pass by selling expensive skins that I didn't like, but I think the solution would be to no longer sell the premium pass for r6 credits just money, paying once for 3 months of content is much better than having to pay every month, and I couldn't care less about level skips.
Yeah the level skips etc don't mean much to me as I'm sad enough to play the game enough times a season to complete the battle pass 3 times over. Hopefully it secures a needed revenue stream for the game and the more that gets put in, the more comes out. In theory!
@@alyttleton Sure after all we all love Siege, hoping at least Ubisoft dont price it too much. Cheers from Brazil man.
Agreed. Said the same thing when it was announced. The “financial commitment” will help keep this old game alive. Not asking for a completely new game every year with that membership, I just want the game to remain competitive and looked at (meta, bugs, etc).
Making games is expensive, keeping them up is also extremely hard for companies when the “investors” don’t see the big $ they can see with a new game.
The way I see it, a big portion of the player base was already buying the passes every season, now it’s just a way to show UBI investors that we will be for the future.
Exactly this Tata mate
It's actually good to hear this from someone in the corporate world. Good reminder that it is optional, and I wonder if these skins can be sold on the marketplace? That would deny any accusations of gatekeeping content.
I actually don’t hate the membership- personally I’ll buy it. I know I’m very in the minority. I put a hundred hours into siege a month- I don’t even watch Netflix that much and yet I spend $20 a month on it.
Haha I said the exact same thing to someone in Discord about 10 minutes ago. Even if it's $10, I get way more than $10 worth of enjoyment from the game each month and I pay Disney+ $10 or whatever it is and never even watch it! Haha.
I did find the crowd reaction in Manchester strange because its just purely a revenue stream to replace the Year Pass. I don't get the outrage over something that is completely optional and doesn't stop you from playing the game or accessing game modes. Its all just colourful pixels at the end of the day.
I totally support Ubisoft's decision to implement a subscription model for Siege. This model can provide a consistent revenue stream that ensures ongoing development and regular content updates, keeping the game fresh and engaging for all players. Moreover, it's important to note that this subscription is completely optional and does not give any (competitive) advantages in the game. It only offers access to cosmetic options, allowing players to personalize their experience without impacting gameplay balance.
It is unreasonable to demand specific business practices from a company like Ubisoft when you are not forced in any way to use their products or services. As consumers, we have the freedom to choose whether or not to engage with what they offer. Don’t like it? Go do something else and stop complaining - you have the power to choose!
And directly to Andy: Let's not forget the broader benefits of capitalism, which has driven innovation, competition, and quality improvements across industries. In the gaming world, it has led to incredible advancements in technology and game design, offering us high-quality entertainment options like Rainbow 6 Siege. By supporting a sustainable business model, we're ensuring that Ubisoft can continue to invest in the game's development and provide a top-notch gaming experience for years to come.
Consider the alternatives: centrally planned economies and heavy regulation often stifle innovation and lead to inefficiency. Historical examples like the Soviet Union and more recent cases like Venezuela show how poorly non-capitalist systems have worked, leading to economic stagnation and lack of consumer choice. Capitalism, despite its flaws, has consistently proven to be the most effective system for fostering progress and improving living standards globally.
Some one saying they are anti-capitalism, or that they don’t like capitalism, in 9/10 times have no idea what they are talking about..
Yeah I also don’t understand the uproar. The game is in year 9, you usually pay $8 to buy it, you’re hoping for battle pass or elite skin purchases at that point. Gotta pay the team, sustain servers, etc. when you can easily get every op for free, I don’t see an issue. Unless I missed something relating to being locked out of new operators in ranked you won’t really convince me otherwise. If it’s overpriced nobody will buy it, if it’s well priced then it’s a “good” deal and people will. End of story
I hope they don't "lock" the battle pass behind the membership. Have it as one way to get the battle pass. but there are a lot of people who might not have the means, or the want, to spend monthly to just get the battle pass. This is sort of bringing back the Year Pass, which they got rid of, then brought back, then got rid of again. And at least you get a bit more with it than you did with the year pass, even though it is over 2x more than the year pass.
Running servers is expensive. Doesn't matter how stable those servers are, they still have to pay amazon and microsoft (which ever cloud provider they are in now). Paying engineers to maintain those servers and the rest of the architecture is expensive. paying software engineers and designers is expensive.
In the end, it is a business. making a profit is the point. They didn't make the game just to lose money.
I want to continue to play the game and because I am able to, I will support the game by purchasing the membership. If this doesn't bring in revenue, they will either find other ways to try to increase revenue, or they will find ways to cut cost. Which would mean fewer developers / designers. Less content with every season. We are basically already seeing this over the past couple years. One new op versus 2. 1 new map a year, or fewer. More partnership skins, like halo, and dead by daylight. These aren't just done for free. These are paid promotions.
True, but they dont even offer real ""seasons" or any good updates for us players anymore. Thats why I dont see the point in buying it. If they want us to buy it, they first need to show us what they are capable of. I personally think its just is a money grab and they will tell us something like recruit rework instead of a new operator and new content again. Remember, the recruit is still the same and cant 5 stack anymore... It also doesnt help me having played other ubisoft games, them bringing money grabbing ways and the game still going to its downfall ( like growtopia).
If you do we the math, it is better to buy the subscription at the start of each season compared to buying the credits outright (from what I’ve heard it’s 10$), although it is useless otherwise
the first month is good, premium bp gives you 600 r6 back, plus you get 600 r6 with ash bundle, membership is $10, so technically, you are getting the whole bp and ash bundle for free.
$10 a month? and no nothing is "Technically free" if you're paying for it
Yeah this is the thing too, you can sign up for whichever months you want. Good point!
@@anonymous18404 you can pay for 1 month each season to get all the stuff they listed which includes $10 worth of credits so if you're allowed to pay with credits it literally is free
To me, the membership is great, because I don't care about Siege cosmetics at all, but the people who do and play far more than I do, can keep the game funded and running while I buy new ops with renown. ;)
That's fine, exactly as you say, if you don't care about cosmetics then you absolutely don't need to sign up.
This is a cash grab by ubisoft, the game is dying not because of its age but because of cheaters which is getting worse every season and will continue to get worse to the point where its unplayable even for the casual player. You talking about them using this money to put back into the game? I struggle to see where the money will be used to improve it unless it's better anti cheat which we all know it won't be.
I get what you're saying but cheating on FPS isn't unique to Siege. "get a better anti cheat" isn't a viable option. Unfortunately the entire gaming world is plagued by it. I know someone who uses aim bot in GTA RP, supposed to be the most casual game ever. I am also frustrated by it, around 60% of my ranked games are cheaters. To try and give you some comfort, having spoke to loads of the devs at SI in Brazil, they do care and they are trying to improve it. It's a bit copium but I'm on the copium with you mate 😅
The games is dying but they just hit peak players this season, I don't think you know what dying means.
@Gigopz less people playing ranked due to cheaters, so jumping to standard the cheating is having a impact and people won't stay around. Yeah record number of ACCOUNTS not players. Cheaters are using multi accounts so don't get stat banned
@@milford1987 All cheaters get banned with time and the number of ranked players has significantly increased in the last few seasons.
@milford1987 no you loser, its players. It was 200,000 peak PLAYERS. And the game is in no way dying, it's actually at its peak. And cheaters are about the only issue that is hurting the game at this point. Come with facts supporting your opinion, not anecdotal statements
Its probably not great to compare companies, however, Valorant every month deliver animated skins with deep detail all unique each time or a varation of an old bundle with new animations. I think Ubisoft have the time to do this aswell. And i aren't by all means saying go all over the top, but we can see with the warden skin they have the capabilities to make skins like this. I hope they take the feedback seriously from the community and are more transparent then they have been in the past with us. Great vid btw.
i think its a good thing if priced like 5usd, cent more than that its actually invaluable. if they use the money to work on anti cheats its an A plus feature im willing to pay 5usd for. if after like paying for a few months, they actually use the money for anti cheats and it somehow gets better then they can increase the price to what its rumored which is 10usd.
Exactly, if the funds are used for the betterment of Siege then it's ok
You don't get penalized for not being a member. I don't know why people are complaining. It's for people who can afford to be membership.
Me neither dude
You make a lot of good points. But that’s why I like watching your videos. You’re always optimistic or tell it how it is based on experience. So thank you for your insight!
💜 Thank you!
I agree that it'll keep the lights running but it would be so much easier to justify this purchase if it was better content. Idk why they got rid of the year pass for this when that basically would've been membership, just yearly. They could've put an extra bravo token, some old skins, better operatpr skins, etc.
Wait, so do I need membership to get the battlepass, or can I just but it with the usual 1200 credits?
Love the content. Appreciate the one on one convo with no music. Howeveeeeerrrrrr…a membership….mmmm the battle pass must be accessible outside of the membership.
I'm not against it in concept. As you said, it's a good way to consistently support Ubisoft which I'm definitely behind. My biggest problem is the execution. 10 dollars for 1 and a third skinpacks, 5 bucks worth of r6 credits and the battlepass you already probably have is to be honest insulting.
Shoot, the year long version is even worse because it signs you up for 16 skins with no promise they'll even look good. Just way too much investment for such poor value.
This season was a painful grind against cheaters. Two games off diamond for the first time and then driven back down by blatant cheater games. I don't think I'll be giving Ubi/Siege anymore money unfortunately as a consequence because it's no longer fun.
Can someone explain why they don't like the new membership? IMO, unless without it you can't get the battle pass, there isn't a problem at all.
I've seen alot of outrage from outside the siege community.
this is a generalization, but the kind of people who hate all micro transactions and think bg3 and elden ring are the only good games made in years.
They don't seem to understand the logistics of keeping a live service game afloat.
I see it like you. This game just exist this long, because it can pay bills. Personally i don't mind, but on the other side, I would rather pay to get a better gameplay experience. They feel like they are focusing too much on skins. They look great, but they didn't mean anything; I have enough skins. I need more maps, Operators and balancing. But the content gets reduced all the time, sadly, while the skins are rising.
I feel like more people would be okay with the member ship if it was released in a better season/state of the game.
In an ideal world it would not be a thing, but look at what happened to overwatch.
Ive not seen anything that suggests Battlepasses are locked behind membership, just that its a chunk of the value behind the membership, my hopes for it are simple it has no p2w and its cheaper then the total of goods, more importantly is 100% optional no bonus to actual gameplay.
As someone who would be buying the battlepasses anyway im happy to commit to a game to give them security for future development in return for a discount and a reasonable amount in return.
Time will tell if the value is there the price will dictate that.
Same here, I put so many hours into this game that if it's £6 a month I'm happy to get involved. I get more than £6 of enjoyment out of the game a month haha.
@@alyttleton makes netflix look a ripoff 😂
@@pepistv Netflix is lol
selling cosmetics is 100% the best way for siege to fund itself. and recurring monthly income makes it a lot easier for companies to budget development expenses. that said, no one should buy this thinking they're helping out ubisoft, and ubisoft definitely does not need the help. between 3/31/23-3/31/24 they made 2,300M euros in revenue, had 2,143M in expenses, for 157,900,000 euros of pure profit. they've got plenty of cash to burn.
i'm not mad about the membership, i just think it's silly as hell. and as much as i like siege, i'm gonna spend that money on smaller creators like alyttleton here, rather than helping yves guillemot buy his 5th yacht or whatever.
The cold draft on 10:00 min was the Dark Lord petting you on the shoulder saying "good job, lad!"
picturing Alex Karpazis as the dark lord just feels weird ngl.
I am also in the same position with disposable income to throw $50 for a 5-7 hour experience that is Senua's Saga Hellblade 2. I love Siege, and it's the only shooter I'll comeback to since there's nothing like it on the market. You did say that we put more money in and we can expect more from them. We already did when we bought the game and it's not a Free to Play game. How long did it take long to fix the toxicity with the reputation system? How are we addressing the cheaters these days? How long before they've put out a practice firing range? It's like the game is being worked on by only 20 people with pace of how they update things.
I already quit this game twice and I only started playing around Year 7 Demon Veil when Azami went out. Siege is 9 years old, and 9 years later, there are more games than ever (not just games) that are trying to compete for what little time and attention we have. Ubisoft has to create a value proposition for the money they are asking for, they have to compete, this is a free market and the game will die like any new game they put out. Ubisoft has zero good will left of any kind to just be asking money for skins and battle packs. Another game I loved back in the day was For Honor, at its core, a decent fighting game. It took them 1 year to add dedicated servers, 6 years to add cross-play, now practically dead. What they didn't forget doing, was constantly releasing new characters which are mostly always broken so people would buy it.
I don’t agree at all with supporting monetization in games. The reason these things are implemented is because they know they can get away with it while veiling it behind “we just don’t have the money” their finance situation isn’t the customer’s issue, I just have seen monetization taken way too far and this is one of them
I've said the same thing on other comments, so do you think that buying the game for $50 9 years ago, 6 years ago, 3 years ago (whenever you bought it) would be enough to fund things into Siege's TENTH year? Do you understand the immense costs of keeping a game like Siege running? Continuous development with new content every 3 months and huge server costs.
something you need to realize is that games arent what they used to be 15 years ago. as demand for more features and the scope widens, developers need money in order to further provide for the community. Tekken 8 is a good example, a lot of people complained about a battle pass and the $70 price tag when the game itself is loaded with features, customization, content, and its servers. and all of this isnt even mentioning the dogshit conditions some studios have to live up to because of their publishers in order to keep working
@@alyttletonMost people haven't only spent £50 tho, I'd say I have played siege in a very casual way. Saying that I still have a handful of elite skins & buy the battlepass in most seasons which is probably on the low end in comparison to more serious players.
There is already a battlepass, purchasable currency and micro transactions how much more do they want to squeeze out of the player base. This is nothing more than a shameless cash grab for the shareholders, do you really think this money is going to be put back into the game?
If we don't push against this, it will only continue to get worse.
@@alyttleton u know that they are making a shit ton of money off r6 already, its basically ubisofts golden goose already. And most people are mad because there is literally no content coming into the game while this is being added. Stop trying to protect a greedy company
Thank you for your opinion. I love hearing other perspectives!
The only way someone can defend the membership is if you want the battlepass. Buy first month and cancel after. Other than that it total garbage hunger for money that will kill one of the only good competitive shooters
Lads, the game is nearly 10 years old. The suits wanted to kill it before it had a resurgence, but that can’t last. Membership might be the only thing that keeps it alive with new content. A necessary evil.
I made this comment before watching the vid. Happy you had similar thoughts. I think you’re right.
The year pass already existed, battle passes already existed, the in game store has existed. Funding for the game has been here and a membership isn’t introducing anything new outside of being more expensive. Releasing it in the second season also reeks of sneakiness in that had they released it on year launch, paying for the whole year at once would most assuredly work out to be more expensive than the year pass. Given that they’ve scaled back new ops and no new maps, this is nothing but a blatant disregard for the consumer. More money for less content is an absurd deal to partake in.
I'm not a reactionary, I dont hate there being an additional option. That being said, it should have been released in a proper season
I just saw the leaked battlepass.... Its absolutely horrendous , shitty Universal skins feels like they are mugging us off and just want our money ... Forget the membership the whole season would be a big downfall for siege just cuz how they implemented this new season ...
1) no new changes to recruits
2) fake promises that the recruits will be game changing
3) Shitty Universals and battlepass + they expect us to pay for membership for good skins
4) Esports bundles are so much better than what devs design the team should be sacked
Bro, I love your videos. However, this is a terrible opinion (one which you are allowed to have). The Ubisoft corporate suits do not need you to champion their greedy endeavors. This was a painful video to watch.
I have to agree with him it may not be good but its basically a replacement for the season pass, games like gta and fortnite have the same system for years and it works.
I feel like you’re over reacting, I’ve seen worse deals in videogames, just look at overwatch’s invasion bundle
Even the coin value is worse
Thank you for your opinion. I love hearing other perspectives!
Considering the game and the dev's situation I don't think implementing a way to make more revenue for Siege is bad. The devs are doing with what they have. Ubisoft doesn't seem to put a lot of money and ressources into Siege and the game is getting old. If they want to keep the game alive and bring us more content they have to find new ways to make money. I feel like people take a lot for granted. In a hypothetical situation where the game dies tomorrow and the servers are down forever, everyone who plays this game would be dissapointed and end up missing the game since there is nothing else like it. A little while ago I realised I was nostalgic over some older games I played when I was younger and I couldn't play them anymore cause theyre dead games. It made me wish I would have enjoyed them more when they were around. It's the same thing here. Im not saying we should accept mediocrity but we also should be happy that the game got a revival and that it's still alive. The fact that they are trying to make more money indicates that they plan on keeping it alive for a while longer.
siege is by far the most money making game ubisoft owns and has been fine for 10 years and is having its peak in terms of exposure and player base, i dont think this was ubisofts last resort to keep siege online, and so i think most probably its just them being greedy
Seems similar to the Fortnite membership to me, BP should still be available to non-members so it's just extra cosmetics for those with the disposable income and not a pay-to-win scenario. I don't understand all the hate (and I'm currently unemployed lol)
If I get 600 credits every time they charge me then I’m all for it as long as it costs 10 dollars, this might be a great exclusive membership skin, I always bought the bp with money so idk what’s the complaint, I’ve seen worse trades in other videogames (like overwatch), but if they can add something else like more bravo packs/ alpha packs, more credits or an animated skin (for weapon or skin) it would be a lot more worth, but ngl that 1 bravo pack looks a bit greedy
Commenting before watching, but I hope that memberships can have something to do with another form of anti cheat ( ie CSGO 2 having separate servers for their group so that its just another layer against cheaters ) It'll get hecka positive reactions and well-received by the community
I know ongoing development costs money and needs to be funded somehow, but I think the membership is kind of a bad look when it's introduced in the weakest season in what's already a really weak year for Siege updates (only two brand new ops and a rework, plus the Recruits "rework", and no new maps or reworks (and there's several maps that desperately need reworks).
Plus the content in the pass just... doesn't look very good.
I don't mind it. But they need to listen to the community better first before I buy it
Agree
"If the membership is there, and content has dropped then we got a problem" The thing is the content has been continuously dropping (whether it's the quality or the quantity of the update/battle pass/qol changes) for quite some time and reached an ALL TIME LOW this season, all the while the player numbers are reaching an ALL TIME HIGH. If they announce membership on top of bunch of great new season updates I don't think people would complain as much as they do now. With the lackluster new season it's hard not to make ppl worry about the future of this game. Just think about how barely anyone complained when the first battlepass came out (the SI one with sledge, thermite, blitz, mozzie skins). They could've easily went for the old route (high quality content) and turned this new player base into a loyal one and profit from that in the long term and everyone would be happy, but instead, they chose the most shortsighted and greediest route possible. There's no need defending this.
I know why they're switching to subscription, it's in hopes that they will keep revenue that would typically be lost when people stop playing and forget they have a subscription to this game. I'm all for supporting the game by buying battlepasses and whatnot as long as the value is there, but the very likely reasoning for this sub is scummy(and that goes for all companies in various fields that are doing this).
I get monetising their product, it is a business and it needs to make money, with Ubisoft actively throwing money away with dogshit products elsewhere, it puts the R6 team under increased pressure but them milking the best product isn't the answer, they need to fix ubisoft as a whole before R6 can actually get better, I don't like them locking the BP behind the membership, that's shit
I really think all the hate from the membership is because they announced it with this awful season that has less content than operation health and is not prioritized as an operation health. It is a slap in the face for them to give us basically nothing for 3 months but beg for more money. Idk if layoffs have happened or what but last season was fine content wise then they drop this 1 week of work season and the TS still has more bugs than the trees in my front yard that are full of cicadas.
Fr tho if this came out last season it would have received a quarter of the hate its getting rn.
I don’t see anything wrong with it, just don’t buy it if you don’t want to 🤷♂️
Precisely. It's purely cosmetics as a way of driving revenue for the game. If you don't want them, it's cool, don't sign up!
I wont be buying this, but it is my choice, if they want to bring more money in to keep the game going that's fine and I totally understand that, it is optional so if you don't want this don't worry about it, play your game and enjoy the free content you get every season. how many branded shops do you go to with special promo offers which you either take up or decline. we would be complaining constantly if we complained about every optional purchase available to us in our daily lives. remember ubisoft are now allowing us to make profit in the form of R6 credits on marketplace for FREE so you can enjoy the game more. thanks as always Andy.
I understand the making money part, but also, the battlepass is also a source of income right...
What are your thoughts about misplaced Ubisoft funds
man with sensible opinion... CANCEL HIM!!
for real though it's so cringe reading people's uninformed opinions about you being a sellout for not getting angry at something you can just pretend doesn't exist.
I watched the full video and I understand all the points but I think it still doesn't convince the players, Siege continued forward even in its worst years with players like us supporting them even if it wasn't worth spending the money, now the game has a second life and youth thanks to the popularity of a certain content creator that I don't like and plays on Xbox like me, now ubi wants to monetize all those new players, that's why so much focus on new players, now it's time to squeeze the orange, those who wanted to support it already They did with the annual passes and regularly buying skins in the store and pro bundles etc, basically I think the shareholders just want even more money than they already earned with these new players
And this is just an additional way to support the game. You can still do all the things you mentioned, but for those that want to, here's another way to support. If you don't want to then it's not mandatory and I understand it.
@@alyttleton naaaah i have enough this last 8 years in siege, no more siege for me i guess, now i just a content enjoyer hshahshahhs
When I first saw the reveal, I hated the idea, but after watching you waffle on for 16 minutes, I can understand and accept it. You made several good points, especially at the end when you mentioned that this could transition to a free to play game. However, my concern is, for that $10 a month ($80 a year) will this turn into a two tiered game of players who paid and players who don't. By that I mean, not just is the BattlePass paywalled, but will they move to Ranked only (or another game mode), or even worse, the benefit will be more than cosmetic (exclusive characters. weapons, gadgets, etc.)?
I am not going to sign up... I am a casual (quick play) player, who has a full time job and a family that limits me to only play 5-10 hours a week. But I also have only bought one elite skin, so this is not marketed for me. If this works for Ubisoft as a stable source of income, without splitting the game, then I will be happy that I am wrong. I just worry about the higher up bean counters, who don't know or care about the game beyond the income it brings in.
Thanks for your opinion, always appreciated.
yeah I think they are banking on 0.5% of players to buy it and that is enough to justify the addition.
You are correct.... it IS an unpopular opinion, and a stupid greedy corporate idea. Game is as popular as ever, and all the execs think is.. hmmm how can we extract more money from these fuckin losers...
How else do you think devs salaries are paid, server costs paid, maintenance costs paid? You think the £30 you paid for the game 5 years ago is still covering that?
@@alyttleton I'll believe that devs are being paid when I stop seeing them laid off by overpaid corporate ghouls even after major successes. I cannot trust that a company executive who tells players "you need to get comfortable not owning games" will rightfully pay developers through membership implementation instead of using the extra revenue to pad their own wallets, especially when Siege is FULL of monetization already.
Thank you for your opinion. I love hearing other perspectives!
It should at least be a legendary skin of that quality each month. You shouldn't have to be subscribed for 3 full months to get a cool skin. Let's all be real, that Mozzie skin is ass. No one will use it
I agree with Mozzie and Ash skins are 5/10
Yeah, warden's skin looks like an elite tbh, so having this as a 3-month reward is absolutely fine. I just wish the monthly bundle would be a bit better than what the mozzie one is ^^ This is basically the finka skin we already got from a battlepass. But if it's 10 bucks or less, I honestly don't mind this at all.
If R6 was F2P I would not have an issue with the membership, but R6 is not F2P.
What do you think they should do for people who unlocked the free battle pass for pro league predictions that plan on investing in the subscription?
I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing you're gonna still get the battle pass. They knew memberships were coming when they released that prediction page.
the only thing good about this is that its opened the gateway for animated uniforms, headgears, and card backgrounds. But i dont trust ubisoft to put this money into any core issues of siege
its not a bad thing I just want a real anti cheat before anything else though
So in order to get the battle pass you need to have the membership?
I don't think that's true. I'm pretty sure you can still get the bp with the r6 credits
if they want us to pay for stuff they need to add actual decent things like a fortnite skins or call of duty they constantly add ing new things
Agreed the Ash and Mozzie skins aren't great
The membership only cost seven dollars with tax and you get the battle pass steal
no joke purchase it once cancel it until the next season you get the battle pass for like 7 bucks
10:00 when you talk bad about capitalism and CIA is coming to get you "disapeared"
ubi doing this right after I earned the free battle pass from esports predictions is so cruel
If you can prove to me that you earned the BP via the predictions by getting so many right and if you don't get awarded the BP next season, I'll personally PayPal you the money so you can sign up to the membership for 1 month so you can get the battle pass.
@@alyttleton I'm sure they'll give it to me I'm more concerned that I'll still have to pay full price for the membership if I want the cosmetics. If it does happen though and I prove I earned it would you extend the offer to someone else (like the person you mentioned at 8:52 perhaps) so the money can go to better use? I'm fortunate enough to spend an extra $10 without worry so it would feel wasted on me
Speaking from experince with other ubisoft games, they will take the money and preceed to not deliver anything more if not even less... Also Im ok with paying for the first month of every season, but paying only for some skins (like 1 part of a bundle lmao) for the other 2 months of the season is basically scamming the audience. 40 bucks for for seasons sure, 80 for a year no way. And dont forget the recruit update, idk if I can call the next "season" a season. Yes I will play the game, but they are just dumping resources at this point. Yet they think it is a good idea to introduce this. We didnt see them doing anything...
Probably non of us wants those bad (not even mid) skins anyway. Yupp, just a scam!
The membership just screams desperation to me. Some relatively ugly limited skins is not enough for me to get one. If they wanted more ways to monetize R6 this was not the play. Maybe they could've made some kind of system where you can "build up" an elite bundle over time and after a certain amount of consecutive monthly subs, you would get the elite bundle alongside some other goodies like alpha packs. It would entice those not comfortable with dropping 1500-2000 credits at once for a skin, I know I would get it
I think they should bring vehicles into the game
Imp the problem lies in the fact that because the game is 10 years old how much content can ubi honestly roll out that won’t change the game for the worst while we pay for a membership to fund it to be this far along and sign up for a membership just seems risky all things considered if your concerned about wasting money either way it’s optional but that’s my take
So many other ganes would have made it so that without membership you can only have 10 skins but with membership you get the locked and can have unlimited skins - and so on, where the membership feels like sonething you need.
This membership doesnt bother me. Dont feel like I need it. But for people with money to burn and a want to skins Its fine by me. Dont care much.
honestly , if the bonus reward , especially the 600 R6$ , are received every 3 months and if the subscription is 5 bucks , ok , it replace the usual year pass i used to buy at 15 bucks , i subscribe for every battlepass , sure . BUT if the subscription is 9,99$ ( as leaked somewhere ) and/or the bonus 600R6$ is only for this time only , then i hope whales can support financially the game for me 🤣
Hey, Alyttleton and everybody, i have a question. If i will pay only for first month, do i get this ashe bundle and all other things + full premium battle pass for whole season or only for this one month?
Issue is, this "Membership" comes out with the absolute dogshit season, worst season in a while.
No new actual operator, no new maps, tons of bugs, balance changes sure, but no positive buffs to play around just nerfs for now. And ton of bugs on test server. Can not count that one cause its "test" server after all.
Like if they released membership in previous season, with insanely interesting new operator, new map, entire weapon attachment rework, Azami nerf someone else buffs, marketplace, that cosmetic tab. No one would complain.
But they are releasing it with season that questions what they were doing for 3 months.
Watch at 1.5x speed its faster and doesn’t even sound weird
They were already selling battle pass and r6 creds. They took away the season pass which was cheaper and replaced it with this which just seems like greed to me.
Also the timing is awful. Cheating is the worse its ever been, ranked 2.0 matchmaking is terrible and the reputation system has been teased as "next season" for what? 3 seasons now?
the membership is more expensive, but you get more cosmetics with it than you did in the year pass.
The only part that is bad imo is that there isn't a cheaper option where you get less stuff for less money.
Agree brother. Finally a grown-up opinion. Capitalism is sad and this is what we have to deal with. And this is unfortunately the reasonable thing for a game company to do in these circumstances.
It’s not capitalisms fault bro without capitalism you wouldn’t have siege so chill
@@benstisser3510 yes, this is a complicated matter
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I disagree. They don't need funding seeing the small amount of work they put into the seasons compared to when we'd get 2 new ops and a new map per season, now we get poor changes and constant delays, not to mention the most important stuff we need come late this year (console cheating).
II see the membership as a lazy cashgrab compared to the year pass. If they need money, they should release good content and good cosmetics, things people would like, not poor seasonal skins and pushing back the most important content.
I think it's a bad idea and I'm fine if you think it's good, I'll see what it has to offer and I'll probably only buy it when a battle pass interests me (the next one doesn't). I do agree that this is ok if it becomes free to play, would make sense.
If you think developing Siege is a small amount of work then unfortunately you're ill informed.
@@alyttleton of course it isn't, but I'm sure you can agree we've been getting less content and more delays. Hopefully next year changes, maybe then I'd consider it a good idea.
@@alyttleton I also think it's the worst time to introduce this since we're in the lowest year in terms of content, and most of the comunity finds this new season to be lackluster.
I don't disagree with the timing not being great when Y9S2 is probably the weakest season reveal we've had for a few years.
@@alyttleton Fresh off the back of arguably the best season in years in Deadly Omen
Everyone forget that Fortnite has memberships
They rework recruit and the only content they are giving us is a “membership” that gives the same stuff as a battle pass. They don’t innovate with gameplay or new operators or reworking Blackbeard. They only innovate with new ways to monetize the game. “Carry on the development” what development? Catgirl and master chief? Pink leopard smoke? Quit huffing hopeium. They already have plenty of “continuous revenue” with the battle pass and micros that are already in the game. Squeezing kids for even more of their parent’s money is some scumbag behavior.
Eventually Ubisoft is going to charge a $3.99 fee to start up the launcher and people are going to say “it’s okay because we will get more Rick and Morty skins”
I don't agree with you argument. ubisoft has continually made the base game more accessible while providing options for people to pay if they choose.
if anything the base game would go free to play and the amount of paid cosmetics would increases, although i don't think the game will ever be free to play.
They bought you :( see you in the next invitation with expenses fully paid.
Haha behave. It's just my opinion on why it's happening.
I wish you could buy membership with r6 credits.
I would be the same for them and I could have them trading on the marketplace.
Personally don't understand all the hate and backlash about memberships. You give Ubisoft money on a monthly basis and in return you get the current battlepass, a free operator, and a bunch of other purely cosmetic stuff that has no impact on gameplay every month? you're getting what you paid for & more compared to if you were to individually buy all of the things the pass offers. Personally, I would rather pay for skins outright than be forced to buy a virtual currency, often end up overpaying for credits and having credits left over, then being psychologically tricked into wanting to spend more money on virtual credits because "you already have some, so why not spend less on a fewer amount to get a new skin!!!". ultimately benefits the consumer & is a necessary evil of capitalism
The whole argument that skins are 'optional' is a well established red herring. Skins are a major part of the game, the company wouldn't be making millions off the back of sale of skins otherwise. It thrives on FOMO, making other players jealous of the rare skins various players may have. The game is heavily monetised, and they're clearly not putting the money back into the game. The next season looks like lazy, dialled in trash. Nothing new, less options as recruits in terms of guns. They're just profiting as hard as they can before the game is eventually killed by their greed.
I agree, Ubisoft NEEDS the subscription to continue support it but do they deserve it? There's tons of basic issues (the anit-cheat being the biggest) that they need to tackle before anyone should be giving them money for a few monthly cosmetics.
I've talked about anti cheat on another comment but cheating is an ongoing plague in the games industry and unfortunately it doesn't look like going away any time soon. Cheating isn't unique to Siege.
@@alyttleton You're right it is an ongoing and consistant issue in the gaming world but it seems like Siege has the biggest problem and the devs don't seem to be actively addressing it. I understand cheating won't ever go away but (as someone who doesn't really know how everything works) it seems like it can be largely combatted.
I assure you Siege isn't the worst for it. CS2 just a number of cheating issues that were built into the console of the game. Siege isn't the best obviously but it's absolutely not the worst.
Just going to throw this out here:
Ppl: Ubisoft doesn't listen to it's community.
Ubisoft for deadly omen: We are removing 1.5 because of tdm meta(which ppl were complaining everywhere about it) and bringing back Acogs!
Not saying Ubisoft is the best company or they are angels there(They've fucked up their popular franchises like AC) but it's much easier to complain than being thankful :)(in general in gaming industry and not just the case about R6 or Ubisoft)
I think the people mad about this season launch were quiet when deadly omen released.
I've seen much more content from non-siege creators trying to get in on the negative drama, but when siege is flourishing it doesn't get the same attention.
This is commonplace in all games, so I just ignore the grifters and listen to the real community members.
Bro I genuently Love ur vids and can improve very much in terms of siege and in terms of learning english - but this opinion is just bold to say the least - how much did ubi pay you to go out with such an opinion. There is litteraly nothing and I mean nothing good on this membership and the hole season. This membership shows how much ubi is into the money (if you get what i mean) and you supporting something like that breaks my heart :(
I don't say I support the membership, the point of this video is to try and explain why I think it might be needed. People spent £30 buying this game 9 years ago, some 6 years ago, etc etc. It's not financially viable to keep the game running without a revenue stream coming in. I appreciate the kind words though man and thank you for watching the older videos!
Thank you for your opinion. I love hearing other perspectives!
Great another subscription I need to pay for...
It is my favorite game so I'd probably buy the Membership. Ubisoft is my favorite 💩 Company. So I will support them but if they don't give us more. I will end my subscription.
I hope this is ironic
@@ggggbfgspyevan3849 no I'm serious I will buy it and will support them. But if we don't get more for our Buck 😉 I will end it.
@@ggggbfgspyevan3849 not at all. I'm serious I will support them idc what anyone thinks. But if we don't get more for our Buck then I will end my subscription. So they have 4 months. 3 for the subscription and 1 for what they will give us.
need?
All entertainment is a business, sorry for people without the funds to get everything they desire but the onus is on them to better their position in life to support the things they enjoy.
Not familiar with Ubisoft at all. But hopefully this is what they focused on this portion then dive headfirst in to content. Versus overpaid devs putting out a weak bit of
Greedysoft doing more greedy things as per usual. The same way they are paywalling game content and day one releases behind higher price versions with their upcoming Star Wars and Assassins Creed games. This is just another way for them to rinse a loyal fanbase. We SHOULD NOT let them do this without the pushback it deserves. I would implore anyone to take a stand against this anti consumer move and not subscribe. Remind me why they took away the year pass which worked just fine??? Oh yes that’s because they wanted a subscription to take more money from you over time.
Mate the game has been out for 9 years and most players spent about £25 quid to purchase it. Do you think it's financially viable to support a team of 100s of devs, £££ in server costs and future updates if the revenue stream isn't coming in?! Also if you don't want to sign up to a membership you don't have to! It's not mandatory.
@@alyttleton The game has also never had as many players on console at least where I play as it does right now. So tell me exactly what they are giving back to the community in terms of changes people have been asking for? They are about to start a season with ZERO new operators, ZERO new maps (unless you count them boarding up the bullet proof windows on stadium and throwing it into standard playlist) and then oh btw we now are adding a monthly subscription. If they want to do it this way then why don’t they make the game free to play. I see the Fortnite comparisons constantly, but that began and always has been a free game. Mousetrap is also a joke. Gave no update on it either at the major and focus their entire anti cheat efforts on PC. All the while all of us console siege players are left dealing with a minimum of 3 xim players in every match. Spreading one full skin over multiple months is horrendous too surely you agree??? How can we possibly make excuses for this?!?!?!?!
You're making my point. So if there's now more players than ever, that means more server cost than ever and more need to make cool content than ever. That isn't done for free. I agree this season is thin on content but the last few have been bangers. Also agree on your last point, I think the Mozzie and Ash skins are weak. Ultimately, popularity going up = costs going up = revenue needed = OPTIONAL membership.
@@alyttleton Surely if they wanted to launch this sort of thing the best way to do it would be in a season with banger content. Couldn’t have picked a worse season to announce this. Alongside the game going free to play would certainly make it more palatable to newer players getting into the game. But to be perfectly honest, even when there were hardly any of us playing siege the servers have always been a complete mess. So I’m highly sceptical any new funds garnered from this are going to reduce those issues and if the content continues as it has done this season they seriously need to start reviewing that output too. Both Fortnite and Call of Duty whom one could argue Siege are competing with to an extent, have exceptional cosmetics that make Ubisoft’s offering look just sub par. Offering me the same stuff that I had previously gotten on a cheaper year pass and adding in an animated card background isn’t exactly enticing. When it comes to Ubisoft a leopard doesn’t change its spots and unfortunately they have a track record of constantly going for the cash grab despite what gamers want.
This game is not a free game to begin with they make a bunch of money from elites and BP, this is not even the real problem with it this season doesn't really bring a lot to the game, which is not gureanteed maybe this season will make our lives easier maybe servers will be better or anti cheat but when you show basically nothing expect couple of deserved nerfs that should've happened weeks, months ago this makes people happy. I agree with you obviously but this isn't a free game.
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I don't think it's good. I know the game needs to make money but there are so many different monetisation methods stacked on top of each other. In game shop, premium battle pass, paid bundles, now this membership.. And who's to say that putting any money into Siege actually goes to supporting and developing this game? And not straight up into Ubisoft's overarching coffers. Proof of this would be just looking at the state of the game with low volume and poor quality content, delays, lies (what they said about cheaters). Besides, membership looks like bad value for money compared to just buying R6 credits and directly buying a skin you like. Who cares about bravo packs, level skips, background fucking cards? It's already bad enough with the premium battlepass, paying for all that unique content (which can't simply be purchased in the store) which you might not even receive if, like me, you don't have much time to play and complete the battlepass. I firmly believe that in games like this, when I pay for something I should have access to it right away. Not pay first then have to commit to play for hours to get what you have already paid for. And if they lock the premium battlepass behind this membership then they should be ashamed.
they are all optional. you don't have to cave in any pay for stuff.
'you don't have much time to play' a membership or battlepass or whatever is not for you, it is for the few people who play 4 hours of siege daily.
the only downside is that its annoying to see an advertisement for a paid membership in game. and a minor annoyance that helps fund the game is fine imo.
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lmfao. you tried to farm likes and prove a point, yet failed at both.
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If you hate capitalism then that’s not a good mindset.