BMW E92 M3 Reliability 133,000+ Mile. Cost, Repairs, & Maintenance
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- BMW E92 M3 Reliability 100,000+ Miles. Cost, Repairs, and Maintenance!
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I've had ZERO problems with my 08 M3. I change the oil and spark plugs myself when the time comes but other than that, this car is bulletproof. Amazing engine and despite a VERY small number of those who had rod bearing problems, this car is very dependable
I agree! People think BMW's are from another planet or something. Simple routine maintenance and the car should last just as long as any other car
you obviously dont work on bmws very much then
+ZoobaMaFooProDuction I will be showing my E36 M3 project car where I've done all the work, from rebuilding the head to changing the LED color in all the factory electronics to the suspension. Everything except for the paint. And the head was blown by me racing mishifting a manual
Rodger Dodger
ive worked on thousands of bmws and have seen first hand what kind of problems they have and personally would never own one. Broken BMWs are how I pay my bills so maybe Im biased.
+ZoobaMaFooProDuction I know what you mean. We have multimillion machines here at work, multiple different models and I've worked on one's brand new and over 30 years old....you would think the new ones would have less problems...NOPE! Just more crap to go wrong with them. Its every car manufacturer that has issues and making ones that are tracked are even more prone to disaster. Looks at Ferrari's where people rave they get to 25,000 miles....and you pay $200k minimum for one it seems!
So basically you telling me life is short, I should be one while I can. Thank you for keeping my dreams alive.
+Joshua Bynum Never regret anything except things you missed out on
hmm I like that. I just bought a 2013 Honda civic Si. a car I wanted for a while. entry level sports car that's also reliable, practical, and great for everyday use. my cousin convinced me to keep my other car(civic was supposed to replace it) so I did. I love having two cars. I now realize that since I decided to keep the first car, I should have gotten something a bit better. I looked over my finances and realized I could of afforded a WRX.
after doing much research It seems that Subaru is a great reliable brand but the wrx's and sti's aren't that reliable. so my regret went down a bit. however I really wanted a wrx since I almost bought one many years ago. insurance was too high so I went with another car. I still want a wrx . I'm thinking of trading in my Si after I make a few more payments. might be a dumb idea but I already have an ultra reliable car(its a 2006 ford forcus 3dr hatch 5mt lol). I might just get that subie. then again lately ive been obsessing over m3's and Porsche gt4's and gt3's lol. maybe ill just keep the civic and save up more lol. your " Never regret anything except things you missed out on" comment is really speaking to me though haha.
+drepop803 Awesome. I tell people you only live once so enjoy what life has to offer....within means.
@@RDDC_Officialohhh years later I’m reading this and both you gentlemen said both tings very well, salute gentlemen . And great. Video btw sir years later.
Thanks for the great review, man. I've been on the wire about this car as I've read literally dozens of reviews on them, and I'm more confident that I'm going to go through with it. Thanks man, I can't wait to pick mine up later this year!
I contacted blackstone recently, I'm doing a deep video with them soon on the oil analysis as it relates to the M3s and rod bearings.
Awesome! I'll be looking forward to the your video! Love all your videos!!!
I would be interested in seeing how that turns out. Thanks.
+Roger Cox I'm due for an oil change now so im curious to see the results also
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He got me at "if it will go wrong it has... under warranty" 😂👏
Hey man, You really gave a decent, simple, no bullshit description of the maintenance you had on the car. Thanks for that and please keep making these vids!
+myooyoke Thanks! More videos coming.
I own a 2010 M3 e93 it literally just turned 67,000 miles and so far its been very dependable, the only thing thats went bad was a motor mount. A tech at a dealership here in indiana told me in his 15 years as a techl they've never had to do rod bearings on any e92's or e93's. They done a few throttle actuators but zero rod bearings and he said they sevice a lot of e92's. He told me the key is to let engine warm all the way up before revving high rpm's. As everyone knows these cars are capable of very high rpm's and to many guys aren't letting their cars warm up to temp before revving it to 8500 rpm thus causeing the rod bearings to go bad. They say it takes about 6 miles of driving before car is adequately warmed up and ready for high rpm's.
Yeah I did a test to see if you can even rev high cold, you can't until the meter gets to the warm section. But my motor mounts went bad too. Seems common with this car if not all cars. Most just get them done while doing bearing changes. But 2010 with 67k miles, man that's nice!
Thanks for all your input, it's very much appreciated....it makes my decision making, that much easier.....
Hey no problem! Thanks for checking out my video! And...good luck on finding the BMW that's right for you
Hey thanks for the video. I have an 08, bought it with 55K miles in early 2015, have now close to 80k miles on it. I put new plugs, an air filter in myself and had a shop change differential and manual trans. fluid. Only issue I had was an engine code coming on here and there "excessive emissions" or something, after searching the net I replaced the low pressure fuel sensor, 10min $63 and it solved the problem. I also had to replace the front and rear brake pads, did not replace the brake sensors, just shorten them so I could clear the code, I inspect them anyways every oil change. I had the Blackstone lab test done and it came back great, I change the oil every 5K miles, they said I can go 7.5K, everything looks good. Very happy with the car, if the oil report raises concern at some point I might do the RB.
No problem, thanks for watching. I also had to change out the low pressure fuel filter. I had a bad gas issue and it clogged the fuel filter and destroyed an o2 sensor. That was my $230 worth of unplanned maintenance. Glad to hear your Blackstone came back great. I'm hoping when I get mine done it will have the same results.
Thanks.. Great video. You reaffirmed my decision to not get the extended warranty on my 2013 M3, which only has 20,000 miles. Daily driver, but I work from home... so it is low mileage. All the maintenance has been done by dealer, including some extra oil changes :-). Thanks for the video.
No problem. I had an extended warranty on my E46 M3 and never used it. Wasted my money. I opted out of transferring it to my E92 M3. Been doing great but I know the car won't last forever. It's still a machine and machines break down eventually. Thanks for watching
Nice vid.. thanks! Just bought my E-92 M3 coupe, and it is really an amazing piece of engineering.
+Roger Cox Awesome!!! Enjoy every minute if it!!!
How was the reliability, 3 years later
Well I've owned the car for 9 years now. Runs great still
RDDC how many miles? I’m thinking of buying one for 18k it has 140k miles.
I've got 176,000. Battery died yesterday and thats pretty much all thats gone wrong in a long time. But that's not the cars fault. Battery was near 9 years old! Not bad if you ask me. @ 140k miles youre probably getting a steal. Hope the rod bearings are done
such great vids man. thank you. I may be looking to jump back to e9x this time m3 your vids help out allot.
+okayGK Thanks man. Glad I can help!!
Thank you so much for the helpful advice. Appreciate it so much and now I am subscribed.
+Stuart Weidner Thanks!! Hope you have an awesome New Year!
Thanks man, good to know and a big help
your a good man for making this video it takes some balls but it probably persuaded me into getting my m3
Really enjoyed your video, nice perspective on high mileage cars unlike most bmw forum users. 133,000 miles on my 335i, still going strong!
+Stephen Farkas Awesome! I've since put another 8k on mine. Still going strong. Will be doing some maintenance on mine in a few hours
Awesome to hear! Hopefully my next bmw will be an e90 m3 or e60 m5!
you know what, after watching this video, i really hope that i get the e92 m3 as my first car! thanks for the video and u got a sub!
+Barry Benson Thanks man. I hope you pick one up
So many people here that are so afraid about bearings going out.. Just enjoy it like I do, do your oil analysis every oil change and you should have a heads up before serious engine damage, also listen for the ticking sound that they get before the engine fails. let it warm up properly before driving too, idle for 30 sec then drive it under 3000rpm until its warm.. easy as that
Chase_Land I think I hear the ticking sound what could that mean?
John Frutos depends. If you are using bad (low octane) gas and the noise is there while high engine temperature, could be detonation. If its basically a soft knocking, could be the bearings.
Anytime brother!....I will keep you posted if I find one...
Talk about reliability 2008 ISF was sold with 248,708 miles on it with nothing more than routine maintenance. ISF was served at lexus dealership with all its services records. It was sold for $19k.
That's pretty awesome! What I want to know is how the hell did you rack up so many miles in that amount of time?! I made the video because everyone has this misconception that BMW's are a piece of shit and can last no more than 50,000 miles, which is the most ludicrous thing someone can tell me. Every car, even an ISF, is gonna have its problems. Some are just unlucky while people like you and I seem to get the good end of the stick. Mine is still going strong. I mean, not in the least bit of slowing down. I've since put almost 10k more miles on the car since I made this video. I can deal with $235 of unplanned maintenance due to bad gas. Thanks for watching! Love hearing from other car owners about reliability that aren't BMW guys
RDDC That's great to hear about your M3, they receive bad rep. The M division cars reliability is much higher that standard BWW's. Did earlier E9Mxxx have some issues yes but most of them were. resolved by 2011. That particular ISF wasn't not mine lol it was owner from one of car forums I'm on. My ISF has 71k and going strong. And your right all cars have some issue, the ISF is extremely reliable but not perfect, the early models had few water pump leaks, and along with one two other issues. But as hole very reliable. Like you I'm auto enthusiasts and love all things automotive.
+David Cruz Right on!!!
Weapon1 ISF those cars are amazing
Hey I love the channel and i am a recent college grad who is thinking of buying an E92 M3. I owned a e39 540i for three years and it was meh. A lot of things went wrong and caused me a lot of stress at times, but it was a great car to drive. Im currently torn between the M3 and a 2016 or 17 435i.
Bro, I'm glad I found this video. I'm of the same mind set. I 've bought all of my cars high mileage. I have access to a shop and can do the maintenance. great review. I have an 2008 e93. Best car ever.
Thanks man! I still have mine. Runs but has a gas leak I need to fix. Seems common on higher mileage M cars for the E9x versions I hear
Interesting video thanks for posting. Very informative. Subd
+Lorentzoe 45 Thanks a bunch!
RDDC I
Manual stripper 2008 E92 M3 with ESS G1+, 125k mileage, rod bearings back when 85k, properly warmed up as you said, routine and preventative maintenance is all! Eternal cars-
I drive this more than my F80 Comp with also 65k miles, yet doing the crankhub and DCT clutch/shaft soon.
What car do you like more? I’m looking at both
Great video man thanks
No problem...thanks for watching!!!!
I bought a 2011 m 3E 90 with 90,000 miles i Put my own rod bearings in and to be honest they they were due now its done and I don't have to worry. I also put a dinan exhaust and removed the cats with a test pipe. x pipe too. I saved a lot of money doing the rod bearings myself so I thought I would splurge. I love this car everybody that rides in it is impressed. Although I do think my 335I twin turbo with all the mods might be about the same in acceleration. But nothing sounds better than this . The kids love the car they always say do it again daddy do it again.I hate to say this but this car has black paint and red and black leather upholstery and it's all in good condition and I do have to discourage all of the girls that want to go with me in my car
Great Video!!!! I was wondering of some of the things you talked about, and now I will feel safe when buying a e92 m3 with over average miles, ive owned 3 bmw vehicles and this cars are great, at the moment i have a Convertible 330ci great powerful little car.
Awesome....Glad I can help out. I know many people are very wary about buying a used BMW nevertheless a used M3. Even i was a bit worried at first. I just did a trip to VA from NY and put over 1200 miles in a few days.....now over 135k miles. This thing is getting better gas mileage than it did when I bought it at 82k! I mean it's running so smooth hard to believe it has that many miles!
Wow, thats awesome!
Wow, your one of the few people that actually get's lci tailights on their older m3's, I did it for my 09 a while back and it made such a difference! Props to you my good sir! People lie to themselves saying, "oh I like the look of the old ones" oh please no one likes those old nasty archaic pre-lci lights.
I love the look of the LCI taillights. first thing I did to the car! paid a grip but we'll worth it cause no one suspects it's an 08 now. Thanks for watching!
I know, it makes the car look like a 2013 m3! Happy trails and safe drives my friend!
+IEATU95 Thanks a lot....more BMW videos to come. I'll be doing a full E36 M3 build here soon
'09 e93(dct) owner here. I've had to replace the transmission heat exchanger unit, halos, xenon ignitor, two wheel bearings and now I have the dreaded Vanos/camshaft issue that I'm chasing with my mechanic. Cars done about 80,000KM (50,000miles).
+Rajiv Ravishankar Do you have a M3 or 335i? My coworker has replaced a halo, an actual projector bulb fell out of the housing, cracked ventilator casing, full injector replacement, and a wheel bearing. That's ehy im asking. That model has a list of 24 failures that seem to be common to that car. If it's an Me I really do hope you get it all figured out. I've been very lucky with my car so far
just went over 74k miles in my 2009 e90 m3. I love the car. I just replaced the oem shocks last week with Bilsteins and it transformed the handling. Need to change fluids, spark plugs, and prob serpentine belt at some point soon. I think as long as you do proper maintenance on these you are golden if, as you say, they've already made it this far :) (I bought mine used nearly 4 years ago with 35k miles on it)
+thebigbus1 Quick question....do you have EDC? Meaning did you have to buy special shocks?
RDDC No EDC on mine :) so got out cheaper. I bought mine with limited electronic "extras" just to avoid future issues. So no EDC, no nav, etc.
I think they make Bilsteins that are replacements for EDC-equipped cars as well. Ordered mine from Turner Motorsports.
+thebigbus1 OK thanks. Was curious about that
Thanks for that very honest in depth vid......was always intrigued by the E-46 M3's.....but was always intimidated by maintenance cost.....had a VW years ago that was a money pit...what are your thoughts on the e-46...late 90's to early 2000.....?....thanks for you time...
I owned a e46 M3 before this car. Loved it! Had no issues with it. I had the SMGII version and I thought it shifted extremely hard and I always felt like I was gonna break something. But that was normal. I traded it because I really wanted the e92 for the longest time and with the smoother shifts of the DCT I like the transmission better. But....now I'm missing my e46 M3. My wife needs a car so it gives me an excuse to possibly look at buying another one :)
not sure about sun glasses, but the review was great. Many thanks, because I wasn't so confident about those high mileage cars. But this was convincing. Cheers!
+Vytautas Gečas you're not the first to mention the sunglasses. But glad you liked the video. I have many other videos that could help your buying decision
Do not take this serious. This was a joke about them. Thanks for reply. Good luck.
+Vytautas Gečas no worries!! Thanks for checking out my video
That is awesome to hear! I just bought an 09 and I can't pick it up till Tuesday 😭
Ah man....I bet you are itching to drive that thing. I just flipped 137000 miles on the way to work. Running great!!
Might become a M3 owner soon myself. Have a 330xi and looking to upgrade. Thanks for a video on a higher milage car. I was curious about their maintenance costs. In your video you said you had like $260 in unplanned expenses. How much did you spend on your scheduled, or planned, maintenance?
+Pickle MeTimbers Well planned maintenance, depends on what it is, if you do it yourself will just cost parts..such as oil and a filter. I couldn't tell you exactly how much but you don't need new brakes and stuff every year so maybe 3 oil changes a year around $150 or less. The rest is just light bulbs and little things. But since that video I've changed my throttle actuators. They will run you $600 each and WILL fail eventually. You need two of them. But I did a diy on how to change them out. Not super easy but easy enough people with zero experience can do it
wow tnx for the review.. im definitely keeping mine. I got an 08 as well w 57k already.. so far no prob.. can u make a vid about rod bearing issues.. i heard a lot of problems w 08 -10 models.. tnx
+carlo bustos (fitlipin0) I'll do the rod bearing video when I get my Blackstone analysis done. I'm curious to see what metals are wearing in my engine
Just bought a 2012 328i convertible 93k miles, was worried about the mileage but this video made me feel better and I trust the previous owners because I know they could afford the car.
AWESOME! I'm a big fan of used cars just for the fact that all the early breakage has been taken care of most likely. You get the finished result :)
Thanks for this! Am looking for an e92 m3 and I really enjoyed this video. Do you have any recommendations about what year m3 to get? Probably looking at 2008-2009 because they are obviously going to come in a bit cheaper, but I've found that I drive was completely revamped for 09 and I am a pretty big tech guy. How do you feel about the I drive in your car?
Hello. I would recommend the 09 over the 08. If you watched my 10 things I hate about my bmw one gripe is no Bluetooth audio for music. This is available in the 09 and up. Plus the I drive knob looks better and more buttons but I prefer the single button. I love the I-Drive! People loath it but once you get the hang of it it comes in handy. And don't forget, you can program your favorite navigation places and phone number on your radio preset buttons for one touch activation. I use the voice activation a bit too. I chose an 08 because it was the cheapest in the country at the time. As for power and looks, both will be identical
Hey there. Great video. Thank you. Looking at 2008 to 2013 convertible. I know every is going to bash me as its not a true M. Anyway how has it been since you first posted the video? Still happy?
I still have it! Drive it all the time. It needs some TLC but runs great. Its more cosmetic that needs attention more than anything. Still a fantastic car.
145.000 miles on a tuned 335d from a 2010. Still going strong.... I did change all pulleys in the front and belts and glow plug regulator in the 50.000 miles I drove it in but feels like it can do easy another 100.000... But knowledge, bmw OBD scanner and a bit DIY skills helps on the wallet. Considering a m3 myself👍😊
Yes! BMW are very practical cars if you dont mind doing some work here and there. Even if you had a Dodge Neon it will still cost you in the long run. But with the minimal problems I've had over the years of ownership I'm pretty happy with how all mine turned out
great video.!!!!.thanks for taking the time to share your experiences with us..im signing up..lol. looking for a good used sports car..i will do my research and consider a 08-09 M3.. I like the 14 vette ...but don't want to pay 50k or wait 2-3 more years for the price to drop
+river phoenix The M3 is a good bang for the buck these days. $20k-30k all day long with decent mileage. I'd like to have a C7. Always been a Vette fan. Just had too much success with my BMWs it's hard to consider any other vehicles.
Bought a 2008 335i with extended warranty 3years ago. Only major fix was waterpump and thermostat. other than that like you said just simple routine maintenance. Engine and turbos are running strong at 118000 miles.
Awesome. I should really replace both of mine but maybe soon. I need to be more proactive with stuff known to cause failures. Water pump failed at 80k miles in my E36 M3 exactly like the forums said....mine failed at 79998k. Talk about accurate! Good to hear your 335 is doing fine. My coworker hasn't been so lucky with his but everything was covered under warranty and he hasn't had any problems since his Warranty has expired.
I agree. I usually buy higher mileage luxury/work cars at over 100,000 miles and have had great luck.
Why do people keep saying "To be honest with you"?
Have you been lying about everything before making that statement?
+Mad69Russian Zero clue why I say it. I say it WAY too much. I guess it's more reassurance of that particular matter
Can you post a video of ur cold start plz??
To be honest you, i'm not really sure. :)
I think it's just one of those things peole say like "uhh" and "you know i mean"
I say it when I’m about to say something that might unpopular to hear or hurt someone’s feelings instead of telling a white lie
used 2003 M3 SMG with 91k miles should i cop or naw
Can you give us an update on your long term ownership and high mileage?
+RDDC I just bought a used e90 M3 and it has 89k miles, from watching your video, I think it's better to go to the dealer and run a diagnostic, do you remember how much it cost just to see what the car needs?
Hey sir, I've had my eye on BMW's for awhile now. I'll be traveling from New Hampshire to Rhode Island to look at a few. Any tips on what to look for when buying a used?
+CouldBeBlue Hey what's up! Thanks for checking out my video. I actually did a video on bmw buying tips. Check it out and let me know if you have an specific questions after that.
I am looking at a E93 35k to 40k with 30 to 50k miles your info is very important so thanks... never had a BMW before..
I was skeptical buying my first BMW....now 6 BMWs later I don't regret a thing.
86K ( nearly all highway) on my 08 E90...only probs was that peeling steering wheel trim. Replaced that!
Do you have an aftermarket exhaust?
awesome video keep it up. I'm planning to get one next year.
+9GSR Thanks! Hope you find the perfect one for ya. Really fun car
Me too. Hope all goes well
Donot buy it ...if u have too have 2011 or up
+Blackhawk ghuman There's been reports of even those rod bearings failing but not as many as the 08-10 models. But...to be honest, the rod bearing issue isn't quite as widespread as everyone thinks. I believe BMW shipped 10,000 models from 08-13. That's 60,000 cars. If you read the forums and see 2000 people with the failure that's still a small number. 6000 would be 10%, 600 as 1%...so we're talking maybe 2-3% If not a bit more. That's not a big number if you really break it down
I'm saving up for this car, and I'm still in school. Do you think it would be a good idea for me buy it?
Hey man, thanks for the video! do you have an opinion about the reliability for a 2008 vs 2009-2013? I have an 08 that just popped I may look into. Thanks in advance!
The bearings are the same from 2008-2010. 2011-2013 used a different compound bearing but still have noticed failures just not near as many. I've had very little problems with mine. The golden rule is the earlier the year the more problems. By 2013 they had most problems ironed out from the factory. So a 2013 would be "considered" more reliable. Some may disagree. I've been fortunate with mine and the other 5 I've owned. I've been a very satisfied customer of BMW's and will most likely continue to be....but....I've been really into EV technology.
chief how you? love your vidz.
by the way fixed my actuators.
managed to find a guy that fixed both boards on the actuators.
it's running like a beast especially since I did bearings in Dec
so sept this year plan to do a mild upgrade to reduce back pressure ie free flow and allow thermo to do its thing (I'm an engineer as well so understand compression ratio constraint)
what's your thoughts on super charging whilst undrstanding compression constraint
Hey that guy that fixed the boards....did he say what he replaced? The MOSFETS? I'm curious
What kind of Engineering do you do? Videos are very helpful. Any advice in looking for a E92 M3? I'm pretty picky, haven't been able to pull the trigger.
I a Molecular Diffusion Engineer in the semiconductor industry. Please don't ask me to explain it haha! As for advise buying an E92....check records, check for any oil leaks, decide if you want a warranty or not, convertible or not, specific options, tracking the car or not. I don't mind buying used because I'm a very good troubleshooter due to my job. Looking at 300+ pages of schematics is nothing for me. Obviously understand the risk of buying a BMW due to high insurance cost, maintenance cost, and repair cost. I'm 40 so the insurance on both my M3's is only $131 a month through progressive. Also a big deciding factor is stick or DCT. You will hear mixed reviews on both. I travel a lot so DCT is a better option for me. Just be smart about and never hesitate to have a BMW guy inspect the car before you buy. Spend $100 to go to a garage for piece of mind. Last off, it is a machine and nachines break...eventually. Thanks for watching
thanks for the video magnetic Fusion!
No problem Kevin! Hope you enjoyed. Check out other videos if you have time. More new videos coming
RDDC you know I saw your comment in the bimmer forum >:)
Oh don't get me started on the forums....those guys beat me up so hard on there for some odd reason. I guess they think I'm not "qualified to post videos in the video section" I don't know...I post anyways just to piss them off even more :)
I agree with you, if high mileage car engine can be started then the car is ok.. nothing wrong with high mileage
2003 745I, 78K miles, owned 10 years, 2 batteries, brakes @ 45K, otherwise perfect2005 330CIC 37K miles, owned 11 years, 2 batteries, rear brakes, speed sensors on front disc. I track this car and drive it hard, but it takes it.2008 535XI wagon, 48K miles, owned 4 years, 1 headlight halo, otherwise perfect and my favorite. Love all 3, and plan on keeping them for the long term!
+jrossi9250 Very nice! I've had very good success with my cars also. Good to hear someone with the same success!!
You said "you know" so many times and I still dont know
Early video man. What can i say? Thanks for watching anyways
You know
Apart from the bad fuel economy of the S65, it always has a place in my heart. I've driven E46 M3's, E92 M3's, F80 M3's, F82 M4's, F10 M5's, F12 M6's. Usually the perks of working at the dealer. The noise from a S65 is real and the engine is the last simple engine from BMW. Mind you, Turbo's are great, but working on forced induction cars bring more nightmares. Turbo's leaking oil, Turbo cooling line leaking coolant. The amount of rebuilds we are doing for N63's and S63's is laughable and its not the turbo's that go bad, we do new rings, new pistons and worst case, new blocks. S65's, just misfires, plugs, coils, idle air control valves will fix that. Doing Turbo's on N63's and S63's are easier than the six's or the four's. In OZ we never get Rod Bearing failures. Usually the owner will just buy a new engine from us and just throw it in.
I'm really happy with my S65. I've had 4 ///M's now and really glad my car has held up as good as it has. Hard to beat that V8 sound!
In theory it should last longer than the 6's, the average piston speeds are lower and the engine design is oversquare. So the older 6's are pretty much at their limits. The firing order is not your typical cross plane crankshaft one, its unique even at that. Funny thing is I think there is now a recall for S54 Rod bearings.
+Devin Smith I wish they would recall the S65 rod bearings. That's would be nice!
Great video man! I’m from Canada, and found a 2011 m3 at 75k/km for 33k$/CAN. Would you say that’s a good price? It has a clean title.
Good review
like the sun glasses dude
I'm looking at getting a 09 E92 M3. Manual with 49k miles. It's 26 000$ USD (converted from CAD I'm in Canada) is it a good price? I am debating a same mile E46 M3 that is around 2k cheaper. I would prefer the E92 glorious V8 but I'm scared of the rod bearing. Heck, even E46 M3 have some of them issues appareatnly?
Love my 2011. Not any issues.
Nice!!!!
what about now ?
@@BobbyFanta yes
Thanks for reassuring me I will be okay. Off to the dealership I go
No problem. I'll be getting an oil analysis on my next oil change for piece of mind. I hear it may not help much but we will see
Sweet video. I think this M3 with its glorious V8 is much more reliable than say a 335i with its turbos that could easily fail. When you said that car will easily run you to 200k i have no doubts, enjoy the best M3 ever made!
Thanks! The list of things that fail on the M3 is way shorter than what fails on the 335i. I found a list of 24 items that fail on the 335i and almost shit myself. 5 of those items my coworker has experienced with his 335i. Not what I like to see when people recommend my buying a 335i when I've driven M's for the past 10+ years.
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) exactly right! big V8 with not turbos ftw. but I can't afford an M3 so mustang GT for me someday. that 14 city 20 highway is just something else lol
I'm getting 19 city 22 highway now with 140k miles!!! Just gets better with age I guess
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) damn now those numbers are more fucking like it. I hope you have that car for many many more miles man.
+anthony burke me too. The car gods have been food to me
So, about the E92 Rob bearings to help ease peoples minds who maybe be questioning buying an M3 off this bases alone. When researching to buy a M3 it was ALWAYS on my mind as well. The main reason they wear out and break has to do with constantly cold starting your car and sending it too high RPM with no warm up period. Giving your car even 20-30 seconds helps to warm the oil up reducing and even negating the wear on your Rob Bearings. This is a bigger issue with m3's before the year 2008, because after 2008 they changed the material of the Rob Bearings to make them more durable. Bottom line is, if you want to save a grand or two, treat her with just a little bit of care! Its always good to see If the previous owners lived in the cold, colder = thicker oil = more wear. Just a few things a day can help your to extend the life of your car and save your wallet. Plus, if you do buy a used BMW ALWAYS have it inspected before purchasing to help negate any unforeseen expenses. This can also give you some leveraging power in the price negotiation.
Thats something than the newer "N" & "F" series engine series will never see
Do you think you'll do the rod bearings? Looking at an 09' with 105k on the clock right now. Calculating the rod bearings it into the price.
+Kirk Curran If I want to keep my car running long term it's best I do them. Got my oil analysis back and it's not good. So basically I have no choice.
I want to get a used, well kept E46 or E90 M3 for a weekend car (
OK as with any older car there will be upset maintenance involved. Most are not needed yearly, like brakes. But on an E9x car, my M3, no matter what, brakes and rotors will cost over $1000. But I think you'll be surprised as how much money you can save by doing the work yourself. If you spent a weekend changing diff fluid, you actually would save about $500, something that would cost you $100 to do at best. You do this over the long run you'll see the cars aren't dramatically maintenance heavy like people think.
Just bought my dream car e92 m3 at 20 years old with 128k miles
Awesome!! Enjoy it!!
Thanks for including the dealership results! What happened to your e46m if you dont mind me asking? Im looking into finding a nice weekend car and have my sights on the e46m.
Nothing was wrong with my E46. This is how it went down. When I was buying my E46 there was an E92 (just like i have now) sitting right beside it but had a price tag of $55k as opposed to $23k. Coming from an e36 the E46 was a huge upgrade and I wasn't ready for a $800 car payment. Well about a year and half later got a huge promotion and was able to find the E92 for $36k and decided to pull the trigger and traded the E46 in. So what do I think about it? I love the E92 but I do miss the E46 enough where I might buy another one but in a manual not the SMG II. It shifted to hard where I felt like I was going to break something. The DCT is way more refined than the smg II. That was my only gripe about the E46. I don't think I'm gonna be looking at a F82 M4. Too expensive for 11 more HP. Plus, hard to deny the V8!
I just bought an Audi 13' RS5, and cross shopped M3 and M4. I agree that the M4 is crazy expensive, however it has way more torque and power than the E92. F82 is very underrated.. and smokes the RS5 and E92 M3 hands down. That said, there is nothing like the sound of a high revving V8. And I actually prefer the look of the E92's also. My last car was a 500hp twin turbo.. I do l miss the power, but the overall package of the Audi works for me. The E92 is more of a drivers car, which I like.. but I made the "sacrifice" with the Rs5 because I'm not going to track this car, and I just love the look of the Rs5, and the interior. It's actually a great handling car too. It could use I bit more kick.. so I may look into getting a carbon fiber intake.
+kubemaster The RS5 is the only Audi I like. Really sexy car. I love the updated look of the F82 M4. Just too expensive. Before we know it a typical M3/M4 will be $100k. I think the E92 M3 will be a sought after car just because of the V8 alone, which the sound is incredible. With the price of the E92 dropping it's a really good choice for a good tuner car where you can make good HP and torque. Let's give it 10 years and see how well the E92 fairs....and if my car will still be running by then. Thanks for watching!!!
I have a Honda Pilot with 260k miles on it. Now, my mom let me have it since her and her boyfriend wanted a new truck. At 160k miles, still no problems, they took it in to a dealership assuming that it was time to change belts. The mechanic took off the belts and as it turned out...the belts were still like NEW! Since he already took them off they went ahead and put in new belts anyways. At 190k is when i took it over and the only thing that had to be replaced due to wear and tear? The right wheel bearings. I was hit by a kid so the left strut had to be replaced but that doesn't count...the only thing that went out on it's own is the right wheel bearing...and the part that holds the bearings. THAT IS IT...that is what you call a reliable car. Not that a Honda Pilot and M3 should be in the conversation but it makes me laugh when people talk about their "reliable car" but "i had to replace this, i had to replace that...and the rod"...but it's a reliable car. Every Asian person that watches this video will laugh. This car may be reliable for a BMW, but please, modify what you said and add "it's reliable for a BMW", not just "it's reliable.".
Well it's reliable for me because I have run BMWs to 190k miles also....then the car got rear ended. Yes Asians will probably laugh at this video. But for Honda drivers...regardless of HP and the endless tin can exhaust out there...in the end...it's still a Honda. I made the video to show that BMWs are reliable and for the people that have problems with their BMWs I'm sure there is just as many, if not more, that experience problems with their Hondas. But you don't hear about this because a Honda is a normal everyday driving car rated best at 200 hp. As opposed to a 414hp street legal race car. A lot more engineering to the whole car, engine, brakes, suspension, transmission, and safety go into the car to handle the HP. I have a ton of Asian friends in AZ and have ridden in their 450 hp Integeras and I thought the thing was gonna fall apart! Not saying you can't modify it to be stiffer and safer, Hondas are not near in the same class as ///M cars. I do enjoy the NSX though. the rest....even Type R's are subpar...for the Honda/Acura category. Nissan is a different ball game.
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) i agree with your statement. you cant expect a e92 m3 to be the same level of reliability as a honda. the fact its at 133k and is reliablr for you is awesome. i respect some hondas but kids that think a turbo civic is the perfect fast car are just ignorant.
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) i drive a 1999 325i and at 172k miles it runs fantastic. shocks need work but the motor and tranny are rock solid.
Rodger Dodger I'm not an Acura RSX fan either. I'm not a 22 year old Asian boy still living in 1998. I don't consider a car fast if it's not fast naturally and you have to modify it. I do like the M1, M2, M4, and M5 and your years of the M3...give me a M4 convertible though and I'd be happy. Of course, if you modify cars, they're going to have reliability issues.
***** I'm not saying that I like my Pilot, although, if I was still small enough, I would like a S2000.
Haha!...good for you!.....I've heard and read not good things about the SMG, especially with high miles...i don't want to get stuck with an astronomical trans repair......my kids and mortgage come first....I think I'll look for a 6 speed....I know their rare, but I see them around......I still think the e-46 is a sexy looking car....did you purchase your e-46 used?....thanks for all your time....
Yeah I bought it used with like 70k+ miles. Manuals are easy to find in the US. I find it's harder to find the SMG. I would only buy another one because my wife can't drive stick but I might pawn the E92 off on her and find a nice manual E46. But I've been looking at another E36 M3 manual also. I don't know....you're right, mortgage comes first. I don't have any kids so keeping the wife happy is tough enough. I'm also remodeling my house. So that is sucking away thousands.
BMW is really great, watch Savage Geese review of his 2013 M3 BMW and how amazing its been... lol
I'm going to test drive an '08, manual this morning with 45k on it, selling for $29k. I've watched all of your videos and am a little concerned that the car has too few miles on it.
Question: Was the '08 more problem prone than the later M3's. I was told that the first model year of any major changes in cars was the one to avoid. The car i'm looking at was traded at the local BMW dealership. I've had cars serviced there and they seem pretty straight. Getting a PPI done there probably wouldn't be wise?
"Love to know your opinion.
WSJ
+Ws Johnston I was aware of the issues also before I bought mine. And also knowing buying an 08 was risky. But the prone problems seem to happen with other year M's also, even so with the 2011-2013 that got the bearing upgrades. And all year models are affected by the actuators. I got lucky on how long I went before my actuators went out. But it was bound to happen. Check the service records with BMW. It would be nice to know if any service was done. Maybe you don't have to do one or both of the items. Maybe negotiate the actuators being done before you buy then get the bearings done later. Send in an oil analysis to see what it looks like
What kind of engineer are you? I'm in school for AE! I love it!!!!
Im a diffusion engineer.
Hi Rodger, I heard that the only oil we can put on this v8 engine is the 10w60 for a better reliability .. is that true .. did you use another one ? And do you feel any difference ? thanks for your precious answers nd keep rockin' bro
Don't be fooled by the hype. While the TWS 10w60 is for BMW ///M cars it's not needed. Those that track their cars it comes more in handy than people who drive use the car for daily driving and getting on it here and there like me. The cars will burn about a quart of oil every few thousand miles. Some differ than others. Ex. i have driven my car close to 3k miles since my last oil change a few weeks ago and my oil is still at the full level. when it does need a quart i use 10w40 Castrol Synthetic European formula for Euro cars. What i've noticed is the thicker oil causes the car to run a bit cooler. Right now the car runs around 195 degrees, with the 10w40 it runs around 185 degrees. I actually thought my thermostat was going bad but others have noticed this too. And while i haven't got a Blackstone oil test yet, my car seems to be running great and if the test pass, I'm going to equate it to putting in 10w40 instead of 10w60 when the oil gets low. This thickens up the oil just a bit that causes better lubrication to rod bearings under normal driving. Hard driving I would always opt for the 10w60 because that oil handles the higher temperatures better. But as I said, I'm not racing my car so i don't see a need to use the TWS 10w60 for replacement oil. I do always start with 10w60 though when I do an oil change. The 10w40 Castrol Euro formula is still like $10.50 a quart so even that's not cheap.
Main issue with e9x m3 is not just rod bearing but throttle actuators. the gears on them easily wear out and it causes electrical failure. easiest and cheapest way to prevent them is to replace both of the gears ($400) before it happens or change them under Federal government warranty 7+ 70,000 miles. i had this issue at exactly 60,000 miles and i had to replace them myself. dealer price for both replacement was $3100 because oem price of throttle actuator were $1100 each and you need two. labor was also $1000.
for the rod bearing issue. i paid $2200 at my local shop to replace them to WPC treated rod bearings.
I saw pictures of WPC rod bearing on 30,000 track miles only m3 and there was no wear. ive seen 2 or 3 high mileage m3 with no rod bearing issue but it is still the deadliest problem (its the tolerance issue)with these cars. My previous oem rod bearing had serious wear so.
How much did you pay for your rod bearings? Parts and labor
$2200 that include parts and labor but i got a special deal. most of time its 2200 - 2600. i live in socal
+정혁우 Thanks not actually that bad. I was thinking more like 5k. Thanks! That really helps. I'm gonna be getting a ton of work done on my E36 M3 at this Bavarian shop so perhaps they will cut me a deal the more work I get done
I'm commenting pretty late but eh I'll give it a shot. I'm about to buy a 2011 100k BMW X5 for a deal of $16k. The car is as clean as a new one. What would I expect when it comes to maintenance?
I’m assuming then that the people having a lot of problems with these M3’s beat the shit out of them and don’t care for them properly. Makes me a little more optimistic about getting one if it happens. People usually review these cars and only talk about the what if’s. Thanks for the info 👍🏼
Hey no problem. But you are exactly right. People act like their Hondas don't break down and only BMWs do. Kind of insanity thinking like that but its a machine. Its gonna break sooner or later. Mine come later mostly and thankfully
I have the chance to buy an e93 with 115k miles but it’s from a family friend who bought it new and did some modifications to it. I absolutely love the car. I’m trading him my 2011 328i and going to give him some cash should I go for it?
Glad you had such good luck. My e70 x5 4.8 with 110k miles has cost me 5k this year so far. Oil leaks, air conditioning evaporator, water pump, throttle body and radiator hose. Now I have smoke out the tail pipe which I'm told will be another 1500. Forgot the name of the repair. Depressing.
I should say from 70-100k miles hardly anything. After 100k been bad. Mechanic keeps telling me how great it is then something happens lol
Ah man, sorry that has happened. I have a few coworkers that have BMW's...a 335 and a 328, both E92 cars. Both plagued with issues here and there. All have been resolved but they can't believe I haven't had any serious issues. In the end, a car is a machine and machines fail. No matter who makes the car. I guess I got one built on Tuesday -Thursday and got lucky!
Hopefully I'll go through a good stretch. Side question, back in the day I had an e46 manual, 2 years old at the time. Absolutely loved it. Tempted to get another but the e92 seems like a nice upgrade. Which one is more fun or what do you like different about the 2 as far as the drive? Looks wise I'll take the e46, just love that style.
+Michael Greco I've owned and still own an E36, owned an E46 and now my E92. all have their advantages and disadvantages. I don't like how big and heavy the M3 has become. I don't like the early SMG transmissions but love the DCT. The E36 is really underpowered compared to the European version. I love the features of the E92. Love the styling of the E46. Love the rawness of the E36. To be honest, I'm thinking of buying another E46 that way I can have all 3. I can't afford, nor find an E30 M3 and I don't care for the F82 models. I like the look but that's about it. That model has creeped up to over $80,000. I'm about to rebuild my E36 and I think that may be the funnist one once I'm done. I know it's not picking one model because I like them all!
+Michael Greco I had an 2010 E70 48i and a 2008 E92 M3. Bought the M3 new, bought the E70 with 60,000 miles on it.
That X5 was the worst pos to wear the BMW logo. it was horrible and I wanted nothing to do with X5s again. However, I upgraded to an new 0 mile, F15 X5, and it is a world of difference. I can't stop driving it. I don't know what the previous owner did to my 48i, but after I got rid of it life was good again.
My M3 is not a daily, I average 2,000 miles per year on it and it has 15,000 on it now. both are extremely fun and are doing well.
I can only conclude that a lot depends on the way the original owner handled and cared for the car.
I hear that my man!....doing some work on my house as well....I'm in queens, so I feel you....I've actually seen more than a couple of manual e-46's...a co-worker has a friend selling his e-46 for dirt cheap but it has SMG problems....and it's been modded, I definitely don't want someone else's headache.....how many miles did you have on yours when you let it go?
I had the car for a year and barely drove it. I did drive it from Arizona to Texas and that was the most it was driven. I was traveling for work and would drive it when I would be in between contracts, which was like a week every 2 months. And most of the time I was at home I was enjoying my own bed. So I think I might have put a whopping 3k on the car in that year if that. ut I drove the shit out of that car when i did drive it. Even the dealer that sold me the car said manual is the way to go. But I had owned 3 manual BMW's and was ready to try something different. Maybe i didn't have it long enough to experience any issues but it was a great car for the year i did own it
Great video I'm thinking in buying one next summer my first one m3 this help me out but I'm still thinking low mileage well do good for me because I'm barley gonna drive it only on the weekend so why not just get one like 30k or 40k if I can find one lol
+CAlez11 If you're barely gonna drive it get you something flawless with low miles. They are going for half off at the mileage these days. And for Bluetooth audio to work you want an 09 and up. 08 doesn't support AD2P audio protocol
I believe bearing issues were mainly in pre Sept. 2008 cars, after they changed them.
They changed the bearings in 2011 so cars from 07-10 have the same bearings. It's been hit and miss on what cars got affected
RDDC I'm going on this information, I've also heard it's not as common as a problem as some will make you believe if you use the car for normal use australiancar.reviews/reviews.php#!content=recalls&make=BMW&model=M3&gen=1423
If i had an e92 M3 i would want to keep it forever! It just seems like the perfect all rounder.i think quiet cars are nice, but the M3(e92) has THE sound and feel and perfect handling. Electric car drivers may never understand this?the e92 are just the best looking too, although the bullet freight train shaped 650i aint too bad either.
To me it is and the V8 versions are think will be highly collectible
I just got M3 and love that v8
M3 is one of my dream car to have but I was always worry about the reliability of a German car but after watching this now I actually want to get one lol
+bone476 Thanks. They are really affordable right now so even if something breaks, like most cars, it won't be such a burden on your wallet
RDDC yeah I saw a couple of good deal at my local car max...for some reason other dealership beside car max is sooooo expensive (maybe just my city), but problem right now is to have the payment to buy the car and save extra incase anything brake down. I did borrowed my friend 335is for like 3 days and one of his pump or something (appreantly there like 6 of them or something) broke so the car had a lost of power. I don't remember how much it costed him, but I am sure it was expensive and it was the second time that happened and his car only 67k miles
bone476 get a lexus isf!
amAnn I went on lexus forum when I was checking those out but appreantly lexus don't make much power on air compression or something so turbo would be out as an option
ahh I see...i hope you find what you're looking for...get some sort of warranty so you'll have no worries :D
Did you or the previous owner had replaced the timing chain? i have heard that they usually need replacing after 100k miles..
Nope
High mileage isn't all bad if easy miles. The many years is what could be dings and rust and not covered by warranty issues.
After watching this I think I’m about to go from being a guy with an E46 M3 to a guy with an E92 M3
Rodger I would get those spark plugs changed as soon as possible. Treat you M like I treat my Camaro that I track. Refresh all the plugs don't replace only the failed or failing plugs. Keep them even.
+Camm GTR Yeah I'll get them changed. Been busy lately
RDDC if you haven't done so yet, can you make a video doing it yourself? DIY? Thank you
thank you so much for sharing those informations! I am considering buying a 08 e92 m3 from my friend. The car has about 35k miles on it and everything looks great, I have been in that car for several times. It is also a dual clutch and the owner has down some good mods on it. I have heard that some companies are making modified s65 engine rod bearings, do you think it is necessary? once again, thank you.
+Joe Ma I don't track my car. I'm due for an oil change and I'll be sending out my Blackstone analysis. I'll post a follow up video before I can answer properly. The amount of rod bearing issues are over inflated. Roughly 60,000 M3s were shipped and if you jumped on a forum and saw 1000 post of people who complained it seems like a lot. In actuality 1000 is about 2%. A very small number. Nobody knows actual numbers. But when I see a forum of 1000 people with the same issue it really looks overwhelming. But don't let the forums deceive you. Even 10% still doesn't seem like a big number
thank you! please keep us updated on the blackstone analysis.
+Joe Ma will do
Please stick to 10w60 if the manual states so. Then drive it on past 250k miles. I'm not sure if I misunderstood your replies to the comments. 10w40 is a thinner oil by viscosity and at operating temperature may not have the film strength of 10w60.
I don't race the car. And sorry I might have had that backwards and meant thinner. As I mentioned in the other comment I ALWAYS put 10w60 TWS BMW oil in it when I get an oil change. But when it gets a quartz low I put 10w40. Read the forums you'll see a ton of people do this. Also if you read the manual it states "recommended" 10w60 TWS. Just like BMW says to use premium gas. Well back in the day it was a problem if you didn't use premium gas but in the E92 M3 they calibrated the car to run on 87 gas but 93/94 octane is proven to be better gas and I always run premium gas in my car. You want a healthy body you eat good food. The same principle works in a car. I have used 10w40 in my car.....like 4 quarts total in 4 years. I don't run it all the time. Only when I'm a quart low and don't have any 10w60 on hand
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) absolutely, any oil better than no oil. I like my local dealer, they would give free top ups between oil changes if you did the service at the dealership.
Contact the oil Manufacturer techs about mixing oils. I highly recommend not doing so. You may not want to do this but treat you car with more care as in check the oil level weekly.
+Camm GTR you can't check oil levels. There's no dipstick. It's an electronic level meter that indicates when the car is a quart low. Oil getting low is normal. This is even stated in the manual. I've gone 5,000 miles and it's only a half quart low so in this case I might not even need to add any this time around.
Oh yeah I know. But I thought today BMW would've had a display that showed in shorter increments the level of oil.
Also, the back of his steering wheel doesn't look dirty it's just worn.
Hey RDDC if im looking at a 2011-13 e9x m3 what mileage should i look for? ive seen some priced mid 30's at 11k miles to 39, 55, 60+ what do you think is your best bet in getting one that had had parts replaced that commonly go wrong. ive watched a lot of your videos and see the 3 commons. i just dont want to deal with it after the last vehic i had after ive replaces the engine and tranny and then some
+Rick Redmond ok...the odds of you finding a car where the problems have been serviced already will be hard. And if you do, expect to pay a few thousand higher than book. And it's hit and miss on when those parts will fail. My actuators failed at 140k, bearings are getting shot...oil analysis was horrible. But it's taken this long and my car is paid off. So if I have to put a few thousand in the car here and there I'm not sweating it
So basically I should be straight if I get an extended vehicle maintenance protection plan maybe through USAA or something that's would cover my ass should something break. I already relaxed an entire engine and am doing the tranny this week right now on my f350 diesel so I'm really not trying to mess with any more bullshit I just want to get in the damn thing and not worry about possibly breaking down and dropping thousands again. I'm so tired of it but I love these e9x m3s
+Rick Redmond A lot of people buy an extended warranty. I had one on my E46 M3 and never used it but it was nice knowing I had coverage just in case
So the rod bearing issue was rectified by BMW in the 11-13 model years?
+Trev Dakine That's what BMW says. But there have been reported cases of rod bearing wear in those years also. But the rod bearing issue isn't so widespread like everyone thinks. But when you see post after post on forums it looks like a million people had issues. If 10,000 M3's were sold every year and you hear about 500 cases per year of rod bearing issues that's only 5%. A small percentage in my opinion. To put it in perspective the VW emission scandal affects over 2 million vehicles!
M3 is never expensive to keep if
1. You warm up the engine
2. Use 10w 60 oil castrol only because the formula cause small sluge to prevent rod bearing wear during cold start.
3. Keep stock exhaust prevent over reving with proper back pressure.
4. Change oil etc on time.
5. You do the above 4 m3 will be like any car cheap to run.
The issue starts when the owner start to mod a car thats already modded by bmw m division.
All these people putting exhaust intake and chipping the car only often gain 20hp. 20 hp off 420 hp the percent is so small, i have raced my stock m3 with chipped m3.. i laughed my head off how little they beat me.
If you plan to supercbarge m3 than just sale the m3 and buy gtr will beat m3 any day.
Buy m3 keep the way it is dont rice it up, the car will love you back.
Tim m3 owner 2008 on origibal bearing 90,000km.
Nice! Because NY has freezing cold temps I ran 5w-40 during the winter. Worked out fine. But I'm back in a warm state now so 10w-60 all year again
So doing a stock exhaust mod will also change the backpreassure... shit... that sucks.. cant do anything with the car
i have a 2008 BMW E90 M3. i bought it with 36000 km on ,and now it has 56300 km on it . so far iv had to replace the throttle body actuator. that part ran me about 1731$ with 3 hours labor at 155$ an hr Canadian. i also had to replace the battery with was 350$ at 1.5 hr labor. i also had to replace one halo light witch was 64$ for the part with 1 hr labor. and right now im also having a problem with starting it. all it does is cranks longer then it should maybe for about 5 seconds then starts, but it always starts so i think it might be a issue with the fuel delivery. im not sure yet i gotta trouble shoot some more . after its started it runs fine, i can shut it off for wail and it starts right away , it only take longer to start(long cranks) when i leave it over night. with all that being said iv had 4 BMW's myself all second hand. mainly 3 series and they all seem to hold there own very well for the kind of money a guys pays for them . they all had few issues but nothing ridiculous.
+john Klask My buddy had that starting issue with his 328. Takes longer than normal to start but starts and runs fine. He can turn it off and start it right back up. Leave it overnight and hard to start again. He had to get something replaced. Cost him $1500 at the dealership. Also...i had one issue where my car shut off on the interstate....everything shut down...no lights no nothing. I found that gadget on top of the battery to be a bit loose. So i tightened all those up and problem solved. I've had to replace my battery too but that was from the car sitting with no trickle charger. Even a generic battery cost $250 USD to replace. But that was my fault. I'm sure my throttle actuators are gonna go anytime soon. Been lucky so far.
350$ and 1.5 hour to replace the battery? WTF
+Mario De Cristofaro yeah they will cost about $500 to replace a battery in USA. An autozone battery cost $250 for the E9x M3. Hard to believe but true
RDDC Here in italy a battery normally costs 50-100€
+Mario De Cristofaro So lucky!!! Even my E36 battery was over $200!
I'd love an M3, but the M235i around the SE US can be had for under 40k, still under warranty, and can pull the same 0 to 60 time and still kill it at a track. This is probably going to be my choice in the next few months.
Looked at the M235i but just not the same as an real M. The M2 is a whole different car in retrospect to the M235i. And both cars are almost the same price new. Those M decorations sold for the non M cars are outrageously expensive but does improve the overall appearance, just not drivetrain. Those badges on non M cars cause an uproar in the M forums. But drive what you like and what fits you best.....all BMW's are great in my book no matter what car or model
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) I haven't been able to test drive either of them yet, but from what research I've done, the 235i is a hell of a car for not being a true M. Dealers in Florida have the M2 marked 15k higher than a loaded 235i. If there were a dealer around here who offered a base MSRP M2 it would change my opinion totally.
The M cars are completely different beast. I know they share some of the components but the main components aren't shared which makes a M car a true M. Do I like the look of the M235i? Yes I do. But at the end of the end I know I don't have a real M. I just have a car with some badging on it pretending to be a M. And for the extra money, not much extra, you could by the M2. The dealer priced one out on paper, euro delivery included, at $51,000. The M235i (convertible model) starts at $48,000. BMW just adds the M badging (16 of them) on the M235i to give you the impression you are driving an M. It's only marketing. BMW knows the letter M sells! But at the price of the M235i I'd pay the few extra thousand and get the real M2...although 320hp in the M235i isn't bad either for people who like decent power in a car
I can agree on reliability and the wrecks I had a bmw e38 for 5 years first car never had big problems with it but in april this year I wrecked it afther falling asleep behind the wheel and crashed in to 2 trees and didn't had anything the cops said I was lucky wearing my seat belt I said I was lucky driving a bmw because if it was with a golf or something like that the outcome would be different
+Thierry Demaer I've gotten in multiple wrecks with BMWs and felt completely safe. Hard to buy anything else when my safety is involved
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) so true 6 years ago a guy crashed in to me from the left and I was driving a Fiat and the door just hit my leg and the guy wasn't even driving that fast because he crossed the street from a stand still iff you know how fast I was going in the e38 and how it looks afther hitting 2 trees well the damage is big but still impressive that the trees only killed the right front axle and the right fender and the hood and that's it the engine didn't moved or anything so what did I do ? just bought just like you said a other bmw just because you feel safe in them
+Thierry Demaer A lot of people dont know but BMW is a leader and innovator in safety. Hands down, I never doubt their safety
+Rodger Dodger (RDDC) me neither that's maybe the reason why we don't need to use our indicators 😉😉😉😉
+Thierry Demaer haha!!!
After: Turned out not to be a manual. Not as quick as i expected. Horrible gas mileage.
Ride, handling, power, economy not close enough to my '15 GT Mustang to make it worthwhile. I've owned 5 BMW's.... all newer 335's, Z4, 135. Don't see that much difference in the M3. Great looking coupe but not enough bang for the buck and risk of rod bearing issues.
Ws Johnston Yeah maybe the car was abused. it happens. Just crappy experience with that car. sucks they said it was a manual and turned out to be the DCT. My favorite but not everyone elses