F-16AJ In War Thunder : A Quick-ish Review
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- Taking a look at the Japanese tech tree F-16AJ in War Thunder.
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TIMESTAMPS
00:00 Intro & History
01:06 Systems & Weapons
03:05 Flight Performance
04:51 Combat Tactics
06:34 Miscellaneous
07:52 Conclusions - Hry
Shame Gaijin got scared about all the complaints about the gear wheel sparrow hard points that was datamined. Would be nice if the Japanese f16 got 4xAim7Fs.
It would be cool if they did. It would be the one thing that makes it stand out at least and fitting the actual proposal brochure.
The vehicle trailer even had the pylons on..
Yeah I was hoping it would open the door to a goofy YF-16 with sparrows as an event vehicle or something, sad because it looks nice with the gear door sparrows
@@fireraid2336 it stands out, because it doesn't exist
@@patricktho6546 the YF-16 had the landing gear pylons. Given that the F-16AJ doesn't exist at all its kinda moot to talk about how real it is. Gaijins reasoning for its removal was that they wanted it to be realistic to what Japan would have actually got were they to accept it. Personally I don't quite buy it because, even though the door pylons had some issues, the amount of money the Japanese government threw into the F-2 program is comparatively very high to what ironing out the landing gear pylons would have actually cost. On a positive note the YF-16 shown to the Japanese wasn't equipped with a radar, which in gaijin terms probably would have meant a radarless plane even though the production model was supposed to be equipped with one.
Basically F-2 at home :
I like how gaijin says it's based off the brochure proposal but then makes it nothing like the proposal lol
I’d rather it be a copy paste than Japan players just suffering but yeah it’s pretty goofy.
@@DieErsteKartoffel it arguably should have 4 sparrows would be a nice unique plane kinda if they had followed the brochure
5:34 , "take some time to looping over the top in fights a little more often, you'll be surprised at how... many R-27ERs will come
for you " ... i had to say it really! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thats true right now no matter HOW you fly.....
This plane was also the only way the Japanese tree was going to get any kind of guided A2G weapons this year.
The only other way for Japan to get those kinds of weapons anytime soon would be for them to "borrow" some of the US F-4E's loadouts for their own EJs. It's just as ahistorical but not without precedent.
But you don't need the capability since you would always be fighting with the US
The EJ Kai can use JDAM bombs. Well there is no footage of it using them, but it has been shown with JDAMs and the same presentation also had an F-2 as well as other bombs on racks so I think the implication that the EJ Kai has the capability is clear. The EJ Kai also has some of the A2G capability returned with domestic versions of targeting computers so it should not be all that unreasonable for it to have the option of using AGM-65. Personally I'm not complaining about the F-16AJ, but gaijin has in the past stated that the game is about what could be possible and not exactly what was done (say for example the functional IRST on Yak-41) and as the EJ Kai evidently can carry some sort of air to ground munitions there's little to no reason for it to not.
@@cockatoofan back when it was new, the EJ-Kai briedly had JDAMs on the dev server I think, but then they vanished.
@@TimsVarietymaybe someday....
I’m Glad Japan got something after all this time and yeah, the paint jobs are clean.
I love how the blue camo for it is the very same camo the F-2 has... I also wonder if Snail will start introducing the native Japanese missiles at some point. Thx for the review on this Tim. I started back at WT a few months ago and that addition of an F-16 to Japan was nice. Japan was the tree I had the most progress in (Rank III at the time) So i've busted my ass grinding it through getting to this thing. My god it was pain. F-1 is fairly rough (Mainly cuz of premiums that get missiles that quite frankly shouldn't be at lower BRs cough cough) and I got to the F-4EJ thinking "Yay BVR now"... haha. Yea. Anyway, it's nice having this thing now. I learned going through Japanese jets Japan tends to feel very outclassed in many a situation. Had to play the F-1 mostly like a 104, god forbid anything get fired at you that can pull more than 10g's.
Tim, I hate to play devil's advocate, but the F-16AJ does existed and one was modified in the idea of the production F16AJ model AND flown by japanese pilots at this meantime, and if it was adopted, would be identical to the production model
the fuselage of the YF-16 number 01568 was modified for that, with photos showing the pylons for sparrows in the landing gear, and was modeled on the dev server for a few days, and this model of earlier Blk 10 being able to equip these 4 sparrows even earlier than the american F-16s, and the use of laser guided bombs, such as the GBU-12 and being the only F-16 variant at this time capable of using the ATLIS II targeting pod which is missing ingame too
that's why the F-16AJ ingame should also have the camouflage of YF-16 01568 and even ''canonical'' and accurate for that, and even much more real and realistic than the HMS and IRST system for the Yak 141 system totally hypothetical and never installed
When I say "not real" I generally just mean that it didn't get past a mockup/prototype stage. I've described a few planes in similar situations the same way. Your info looks correct from what I remember reading, with the one YF-16 used as the eval conversion.
4:18 left us hanging on the Topgun Maverick reference there lol
.. you know, I haven't actually seen it yet ..
Real or not, I'm glad Japan got SOMETHING to hold them over until the F-15J and F-2 can be added, probably sometime in 2024. It might not be the ideal circumstance, but other than splitting the EJ kai into an "Early" and "Late" variants, I'm not sure what else could've been done. Plus it's fun to fly so no sweat.
wish Come true now?
@@DubiousFIN Are they adding the F-15J? I thought the confirmed F-15 was the A variant not the C?
@@Trojanponey i think next update will give japan some kind of f15 like what they did with F16 but knowing gaijin theyll propably add some fake version since ''too advanced''
@@Trojanponey nvm its confirmed for japan its f15j
@@DubiousFIN oh shit they did! And with the AAM-3!
Wonderfully crafted video once again Tim!
Just unlocked this beauty, damn it is a "leap" as he mentioned, coming from an F-4 Phantom II...
Now, time to grind that pesky F-15J
I love the AJ, but when I got the F15J, it feels like an absolute boat compared to the F16AJ, heavier, less maneuverable, and the missiles seem to intentionally miss 💀💀💀
You said the ADF and MLU have better flight performance but it's the other way around. The AJ is similar to the other block 10's (F-16A and Netz) which are lighter than the later models but has sparrows, this makes the AJ the best F-16 in-game right now, it pulls about 1G more than the ADF with similar loads and out rates it considerably by 1 to 2 deg/s
It gets ground ordnance aswell
I would say that the Chinese F-16 MLU is currently the best simply because it has twice as many CM drops with flares + chaffs (30 instead of 15 for the others) and that makes a much bigger difference than the marginally better performance of the F -16 Block 10. But the Japanese one is at least the second best.
@@SoerenS96 I would rather have the ability to not bend over to any other F16 in a dogfight, the MLU is the heaviest F16 in game
@@HighRiskV As I said, the difference is so minimal that it generally doesn't matter. I have never lost a fight with the MLU against any other F-16 just because it had that bit of a better flight performance. If you lose a fight like that, it's only because the opponent was simply better and in the same way you win with the MLU against any other F-16 if you are the better player. But the CM drops on the other hand make a really massive difference, especially if you're a pretty good player yourself, usually survive for a long time and have to carry matches often. With the other F-16s it happens so often for me that I fight the last several opponents and would have a good chance of winning, but simply run out of CMs at some point and die due to a R-60M or AIM-9L what I easily could have avoided with more CMs. With the MLU you have a much better time in these situations.
@@SoerenS96 It's actually a considerable difference, to the ADF is minimal, but to the block10's is quite apparent. The extra CMs are useful but personally I almost never run out of them even in a solo carry, so I would take a AJ any day.
4:13 People who complain about F-16s should watch this part! Very well said, this applicable in most jets.
Nice burst of videos this past week
Great video as always.
I hope I remember this in 2038 when I finally get this plane. IF I ever get past the F-104J grind.
I'm only 20k SL away from this. It'll be my first non-US F16, so I'm excited to watch this.
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I love your videos please keep making more
Not planning to stop anytime soon :-)
my favourite jet in the game🤩
Nice I like this
I cant fly for shit @Tims Variety, but thanks to you I know a little bit more about flying. Especially your AAM tutorials helped and dont forget the radar tutorial! Thanks man!
Wonderful video! I'm currently grinding through the end of the Japanese Air tech tree and I can't wait to get my hands on this. Any tips for the last leg of the grind, I'm suffering playing the F104J, working on the F-1.
T-2, without a doubt. 2x AIM-9Ps, top speed of Mach 1.06~ on the deck, 750 rounds of 20mm Vulcan, great high speed energy retention make it an absolute monster at 9.7. The only real drawback is its overall maneuvreability and flarelessness, but other than that there's no reason to use anything else atm.
It should be clarified that the F-16J proposal was competing for the 3rd FX program, as people sometimes believe it to have been some early stage offering to the F-2, which was the 2nd FSX program instead. The F-16J's rejection was of course because the winner of the 3rd FX program was the F-15C.
i guess we will see the Viper Zero in the future?
Nearly all Swedish helis were never used by Sweden, but nobody complains about them like the f16.
Its honestly very disappointing that gaijan doesnt give (at least) the F-1 the guided weapons, countermeasure pods, and even aim-9ls because it really needs it, especially the countermeasure pods at 10.3
honestly i feel like u don't have to hesitate before shooting an aim7F the only thing that can stop u is the ground or a perfect notch which is kinda difficult to make in bvr x)
i wonder when the j10 will come...
Instend f-16Aj is better if they add Japanese f-2 mitcubishi, something simular but different.
I even made a funny video about how it felt to grind the plane. It was a pain like you said 😊
If Gaijin add Thailand line into Japan tech tree I think the AJ should be remove and replace with Thai F-16A
Hey Tim is that the Dowell family crest for your PFP???
No, personal arms.
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YO TIM, any chance you could cover any of the F4Us. I love the F4U-4B and would love to see what you think of it and some tactics other than the common boom and zoom. if not its good but I do love your vids
My only issue with the f4u-4b is the fact it is 5.7. It’s a normal f4u-4 but with slightly better guns, I just feel that uptiers to 6.7 aren’t worth it
@@tierneysmith7915 yeah, but those guns though, you get a good burst into anything and it ain't flying no more.
I wont say which one, but one of the corsairs IS on the medium-term short list. One I've been wanting to do for a while, but the snail keeps releasing new stuff for me to cover lol.
Hopefully in the future they just turn this into the F2, I understand Japan needed something now thus they added this.
But hopefully they change it.
They are going to add the F-2 to the tech tree. Not replace the F-16
Just wait until they add the Aim9X and Aim120B/C
Great video Tim but if you could do a review on the YAH-64 squadron chopper I would really appreciate it since I am only 40 thousand research points from it
When I eventually do the Apache, its probably going to be a slightly longer video reviewing the entire Apache family (Like my review of the Su-7) since they're all SO damned similar, except for their weapons loadouts (for the most part).
Ok, thanks for responding. When you do eventually get the review out I’ll make sure to watch it.👍
i love how everyone in video is not popping flare cause you keep locking them with radar and they think its sarh missile
I would argue that most players are just not smart enough to pop flares/chaff at all...
Or even to use "C" to look back :)
It's maneuverability is limited by FBW that makes it turn like a laggy block...even with airbrakes and slower speed. It isn't like when it came out I'll keep my EJ Kai...and that's coupled with the way too big maps and absolutely horrid spotting system.
Would love to see a review for the Ka 52 from you !
I'll get to it eventually (I do have it). Helicopter reviews take me MUCH longer to produce than my regular-aircraft ones.
It's a shame that Japan STILL does not have good top tier CAS, because the only counter to the Pansir is the GBU8 guided bomb, which the Japanese F16 doesn't get.
FFS
IRL, the F-1 is Japans dedicated strike fighter platform, and currently it doesnt have all the weapons it had available to it for reasons
Do you think we could possibly get an f4e given the new volatile 11.0 match maker with frequent up and down tiers with the f16 and mig 29 + lower br American and Soviet premiums? (cough cough su25k, a10, f5c)
I agree the F-4 lines should be retiered especially the US ones now as I given based on my time with the F-4J I think it does good and can hold it’s own however they really ought to add new F-4s to the US tree or at least give the ones we have better weapons and avionics in the form of modifications
no they cant go any lower, unless they remove the 9ls and r60s from the su25 and the a10, but the f5c cant go lower
Game economy is so bad that would be nice to see SL/RP multipliers.
So there happy to add a plane that doesn’t exist but they can’t add the F-111
I will never understand why Gaijin just didn't use the Mitsubishi XF-2A prototype of the F-2 rather than making up a fake plane.
the amount of backlash the f-16a mlu had when it was first introduced because it had a larger elevator than the american one, and you expect the playerbase to be contempt with basically an F-16C with a better flight model
Nice review about the Japanese F-2. *whisper sounds* wait what do you mean that’s the wrong one? *more whisper sounds* i see.
Real talk, why not the F-2, i get its way more modern than its counterparts but the higher jet tiers are already unbalanced as is (looking at you premiums that has all aspect ir missiles against planes that have no countermeasures) so I feel like it would of been better just to have that, or like an early version of it instead of another fictitious vehicle. Just my thoughts though.
Given the (unwarranted, imo) outrage this got, a "minor" nation getting the next top-tier jet would be pure chaos on the forums
@@movieboy6 remember when T-2 was top dog? US and USSR mains had an aneurysm
@@BlitZnGodzilla117 Lmao, exactly my point. Those were the days...
I would have thought giving a minor nation the next top-tier jet would be an excellent monetisation strategy.
People who essentially main'd one or two of the big nations would have to purchase a premium/premium time to grind out the small nation in order to play the next new shiny.
The f-2 is the equivalent to a f-16C block 52 on steroids with AESA radar.
Unless you want top tier to basically be unplayable or a supremely reduced capability airframe and weaponry, which would be the same as the ADF in game, be patient.
Add F-2 ❌
Add a never exist jet ✅
I still don’t understand why they didn’t add a Korean f16 and merge the two countries into a nato-aligned pacific coalition tree
"its not the plane its you" yesss!
I wish people could just stop complaining about the G-Limiter it has, it made no difference to its performance, it wont be stronger either, it just made the plane 'virtually stronger'
Aw c'mon man, of course I should be able to fly into a merge at mach-infinity and snap into a 14g turn instantly!!
I can't even tell you how many comments/etc I see from folks who think I'm an idiot when I talk about how speed relates to turn rates and such.....
F
Okay, I'm pissed. Yes, about the fake plane which is a stupid precedent to set for War Thunder, but also about something more important.
Where are you finding these absolutely braindead players who have zero situational awareness and no keybind for countermeasures?! I haven't landed a single AIM-9L in my Tornado IDS in a WEEK, because literally every plane I see, every angle I approach from, every level of awareness they have, they pop a single flare and my missile goes to space.
There were some 9L's that got flared off in the footage I used - I actually went out of my way to make sure to include clips that had some misses as well as hits.
@@TimsVariety I see, but you're still hitting SOME. I can't even hit ONE right now. I have had unbelievably bad luck with the AIM-9L ever since I got done with the F-104S ASA and moved on to the F-16A ADF and Tornado IDS.
I swear, it's like literally every person I launch at has perfect situational awareness no matter what they're doing. I try to pick my fights, come in at the rear while they're engaged in a fight or otherwise entangled in some distractions. Still evades or flares perfectly. It's more than a little infuriating.
@@ODST_Parker A lot of it has to do with distances, angles, etc - honestly, in my opinion getting missile kills involves just as much "art" as it does "science". There are times when I'm playing for fun that I go out and get 3-4 missile kills in a single match, but other times where I go out and take six shots but get nuttin'
And easy to kill 11lvl f4ss😂
Come on man, just call it a "quickie review" and be done with it.
i wasn't sure why would gaijin add this if the F-15 is around the corner and it did saw service with Japan, but i was a fool and them adding this means that its still a looong way for the Eagle 🥲