How Much Does CS2's HUD Slow You Down?
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0:00 - Framerate surprises!
3:09 - What a lovely wall
4:26 - Weapon model
5:36 - View model
8:18 - The graph you wanted
11:04 - Frametimes - Hry
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No, but that's ok get that dosh Phil you've more than earned it oi oi oi
unironically this is the first time ive seen someone be sponsored by a company im actually a customer of
been using revolut for a pretty long time, both personal and business, great experience. fun fact, theyre the only bank i could actually open an online account at for my business since every other bank's online enrollment system literally didnt work
Switching to your knife is faster than replacing your graphics card.
i thought you said reloading your graphics card 😭
Even faster is just not running the game. The rest of the CS community will have to watch out for anyone who figures that out.
Using an AWP is slower than USP (literally)
But not necessarily cheaper
And about the same cost
"Your PC runs faster with a knife" Brilliant.
I can make anyone run faster with knife.
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The drastic jump between extremely well thought out experiements and recording data to random comedic bits make your videos such a pleasure to watch. I gain a lot of knowledge whilst also enjoying the video. Truely a master at your craft!
As a tf2 player I was expecting the video to be about LOOKING at the HUD slowing you down, since a lot of people in the tf2 community swear by custom HUDs as they often center your health and ammo, meaning you don't have to move your eyes as much to see that info.
I wonder how costum huds work in cs2. Becose in tf2 it is easy to se up.
Wtf is that sweatyass thing
CriticalFlaw ftw
I'm often annoyed by the fact that the HUD is a bit too far away from the crosshair and hard to read in CS2, but that's a reasonable concern, so I'm not surprised the CS community is instead more worried about dropping from 400 to 350 FPS. Clearly, that's the reason they can't rank up lol
@@QuintessentialWalrusdidn't cs2 have a setting to make the hud closer?
Breaking: Rendering stuff needs more resources than not rendering the stuff.
Pro Tip: Closing the game could speed up your pc by a lot.
The biggest question is: Did the release of CS2 fix the stair clipping in tunnel?
3clipsphillip
I don't think it has actually. I remember in a game recently getting stuck a little bit as I was going up the stairs on the inside.
@@bbblop4545Clipping issues everywhere messing up jumps. Try walking into the toilets on vertigo and close the door, a perfect timing will make the door stuck in "you" and no one can open the door until round end😂
@@stalinzd2580 DOOR STUCK 2
and can we upscale it ?
Oh my god a modern 3k video without Caboosing. Thank u Mr pil,lup, it's good but it doesn't need to be here EVERY TIEM
I miss it already..
Strongest possible disagree with this degeneracy. I do not know when the climax of the narrative is approaching without that synth. I'm staring at the end screen of the video unable to move or think. Help
I knew something was wrong
RETURN THE CABOOSING 3KLIKS
mr pil,lup,
The condoms pouring out his wallet during the sponsored segment killed me. Nice one, Phillip - always somehow slide the funniest bits in when I least expect it
Did you just call his wiener a 'funny bit'?
@@3rdfriend Great, my funny bit just went up when i read this comment.
8:05 I like that the gun shot matches up when he says "could"
because he was actually shot while saying that
mr. fluffykins is never filler
He fills my heart with joy
I never really thought about this until now, but I've been watching your content for 11 years now Philip. Thanks!
That moment when Philip runs around the city I live in just for an ad
kliksphilip's musical bangers never fail to be enjoyable
defiantly love his musickit. it makes my game sooo much better. everytime i feel good opening the game.
As someone who doesn't play CS anymore because I can't even run it at an acceptable gameplay experience I find this video very interesting.
Be gabe
make csgo
make up some bs propaganda to not upgrade to 128 tick servers (People have bad PC :( :( : ()
fast forward to 2023
still didnt want to change tickrates for low pcs
releases cs2
throws everyone under the bus
But hey we got subtick right?
Then don't play any games
🤔
So there's no fix or settings to improve cs2? Last time i played csgo everything feels smooth and responsive, and i cant get it in cs2. I just got into cs2 lately but im probably gonna quit soon
This is the kind of hard hitting journalism I’m subscribed for
I'm glad the last part of video mentioned fps vs frametime and how small changes in frametime can cause a big variance in fps at high fps. Frametime is the correct way of analysing the situation because frametime is basically your budget of how much can you spend before your game starts dropping frames (assuming 60fps for example) and that's how developers look at the problem and make optimization adjustments. If something adds 1ms of render time it can decrease your fps by 10 or 1000 depending on the cost of the rest of the game. What makes sense is to ask, does this component costing 1ms make sense or not and not how much the framerate varies
I really like all the little details (such as the footage subtlety syncing with the music) you put in your videos.
I'm glad you're taking sponsors man :) by far the most consistent and dependable CZcamsr on CS. Your videos are invaluable to the community and we thank you.
I like the random rabbit holes you put yourself into. Keep it up!
I lost it when u whipped out the excel sheet of the weapon drop offs. Respect sir
Always so thorough with the breakdowns, even when the subject matter might not seem worth it. Love it!
why does this feel like the first 3kliks video in CS2 where he's using his iconic butterfly knife
he has an iconic butterfly knife?
Can we just appreciate how fit Philip is?
You mean mentally? 😂
@@mikr13 💪💪💪
2fitsphilip
Is he? I think he looks pretty good for an accountant turned video game youtuber, and especially good considering his frugal nutrition habits from the how 2 eat like me videos, but he does not look above average.
Truly a master of “show your work”: 2-1=1. Thanks Philip for the good good content❤️
that was the best ad segment i've ever seen in months, gj.
Answering the important questions as always. Thank you for your service.
Valve should add a command like cl_rendering 0 to disable all of the possible rendering to guarantee the most optimal FPS experience
very entertaining, charismatic and informative!.... very rare for people who talk about technical source stuff!
6:46 had me on the edge of my seat
Woah this guy still exists?
Welcome Home Simon
It's not just surface area that affects rendering performance - it's also perimeter. Graphics cards draw pixels in 2x2 groups, so along the edges of each triangle, there are going to be some of those pixels that aren't used at all. Worst case scenario, you're computing 4 pixels and only using one. And that pixel might be covered up by something else that's drawn closer to the camera.
One of my favorite videos of yours in a while
I appreciate the logical approach and explanation in this video. I see too many CS and TF2 players completely ignore frametimes and then complain that a game is unoptimized, as if 400 -> 200 FPS is the same as 160 -> 60 FPS, when it's just not. The truth is that the HUD has next to no impact even if the numbers can be misleading.
bro i switched tabs for one second and he's putting whipped cream on a keyboard
I like all the gags in this video. Good direction, Philip.
Really interesting since i noticed huge FPS drops after the latest updates. Would also like to see the impact of shiny skins/stickers on fps.
The FPS Doug reference caught me off guard LOL
crazy the time and effort you put into this vid. It really shows.
fun fact, in minecraft the hud is absolute murder for your fps, especially the f3 menu, and you can test this just by using a third party fps counter and pressing f1
I love whenever your cat stars in your videos. Keep featuring him more, please!
Fun fact, i have quite new pc that can handle cs2 at 300-400 fps on max settings. But whenever i hold tab, my fps drops to 120-150, or on anubis to sometimes even 60-70. FUN
Pressing tab actually kills fps. I have a (what I consider to be a) solid PC, but checking the scoreboard usually drops me below 100fps, while I usually run at 240+ fps (matching my refresh rate) without issues.
At least it still works for you, after one patch it was crashing every time I tried opening settings or scoreboard
@@lukasor9936 Ohh damn, that is quite unlucky.
@@toks1matas For me i never notice the change in fps, but sometimes when i have to many things open in the background and play on any newer map (ancient, anubis or inferno) tab might kill my fps and cause stuttering in all animations etc.
I wonder if your PC is downclocking at all during that sequence.
Thank you for talking about frame times. Most people don't understand them and think they need the most fps possible, when there's much more to it than that.
That's the nerdy content that I come here for! Thanks for the time, I enjoyed this video
Seriously - really good revolut ad :) cheers bro
I havn't played CS in years yet I still watch all your videos
This video feels like it’s treading the line between irony and absolute seriousness
Hey 3kliks, thanks for covering this! Not sure if you saw my AMD anti-lag video comment, but if not then there's 2 more things I would love if you covered! Reposting it here just in case:
There's a few things I can point to that are drastically impacting performance in-game currently. (Though I'm sure more would be revealed upon investigation...)
1: Molotovs, especially on high Model/Texture detail, destroy FPS normally (300 to 240 fps average), but it's nearly unplayable while using a scope. (300 to 100 fps average) This is really noticeable in situations like holding banana on inferno or cat on Dust II while there's a molotov burning. Lowering the Model and Texture quality helps a bit, but it's still costing like 50% of your performance while double scoped looking past a molly. The new CT molotovs are much much worse. Dropping me from 300+ FPS to under 60 if you have to get the scope any where near it.
2: Viewmodel. This was covered by this video! Thanks again!
3: Opening the scoreboard as of the more recent updates, now takes away 50% of my FPS instantly. From 300 to 150, sometimes even worse than that. Edit: You can use cl_radar_square_with_scoreboard 0 to get a big boost back, but the scoreboard will still eat FPS for no good reason when open. But this keeps it in the 200s for me (in a solo Mirage map) rather than low 100s.
I've emailed the cs2team@valvesoftware email outlining these issues. The moltov issue I reported and demonstrated back in January. It's never been addressed. And still persists today even after the updated molotovs.
Thanks one more time for covering this, I'm hopefully Valve does a performance pass for this and the other issues I've listed soon!
A 5+ minute 3kilks video is a treat! 🎉🎉
Great 'License of Your Majesty' card you got there in your wallet at 1:24 Philip!
I probably use the strangest UI in CS2 for my CZcams shorts ❤
Great video
Thank you Mr Philips Klik!
I have always wanted to be able to just get rid of viewmodels entirely so I could see so much more of the screen. Knowing that this would increase fps makes me want that so much more
For those still wanting to play GO, you can still play CS:Source Offensive mod for CS:S. I feel like this mod should get more attention especially for those who can't play CS:2. (Ik its 10$ to get CSS but still)
you can get it for dirt cheap on discount sales, I got css for 90 cents in January this year iirc
Or if you bought it ages ago, CSGO servers are still active on the Xbox 360 and sometimes have full servers
@@BottomOfTheDumpsterFire Yeah but that is still the same game version as when cs:go launched, so it's not really the same thing.
fantastic graph 3kliks, i see and appreciate you
Lookin good Phillip! Love seeing the case unboxing millionaire spreading the wealth out and about
csgo was one of the easiest games to run, tbh i'd also be angry if i suddenly could neither run my favourite game, nor return to the previous version which i could run
i used to play csgo i loves it i still do as i still watch your videos and i am updated on whats going on in the game but my laptop just dont give me enough pfs to enjoy, i dont play it anymore
I appreciate the frametime discussion at the end (though i think it should come sooner!)
People fail to remember remember that FPS as a measurement means almost nothing, especially at high fps.
"an extra 20 FPS" can mean something HUGE or absolutely nothing, especially when accounting for overheads.
Babe wake up, new 3kliksphilip video just dropped.
Pure Pwnage episode 5's "FPS Doug" aka "Boom, Headshot" premiered 20 years ago on July 19th. The callout was a few weeks short of this fact, but still happy to see that it still ilves on.
I was so hoping you would try the score screen as well... I know it's unlikely to be up when in a fight in game, but I've noticed that on some maps my fps basically get halved when the score screen is open!
I'm glad you said at the end about potato PCs - my best friend cannot run CS2 at a stable 60fps and it sucks because he'll just get mad at the game and lag so it's good to see people be considerate towards lower end specs which is something I admire about ur "benchmarking" videos :^)
Thank you for wonderfully wacky videos
Worth mentioning frame pacing as well. I would say that it contributes to a feeling of unresponsiveness even more than high average frametime. I'd rather have a solid 16.6ms than a fluctuation between 6 and 16.
this reminds me of how old school ps2 games such as battlefront 2 disabled fps viewmodel only on Console despite the PC version having it on, they understood this concept 100%
the music for the Revolut sponsor felt like the beginning of a movie action scene lol
If there is one thing I took away from this video, it's that quake viewmodel gets yet another W in my book by boosting fps. Man, I love quake viewmodel.
Great video!
damn the ending made me think a fun video would be which agent skin slows your pc the most, so you could play on the most fps demanding agent to make your oppenents have that 2 fps less to use
This was a great video. I'm not sure if you can toggle rendering that stuff off in a real match, but If someone wanted, they might be able to bind a key to toggle their HUD, kind of like showing the scoreboard.
Philip doing Linus' work, thx!
Philip as always doing god's work 👍
All kliksphillips videos capture my attention so fully, today i stepped into my dogs water bowl while watching this video!
His videos are chill, entertaining and informative. He really perfected the edutainment formula.
Also dont forget your FPS counter also Lowers your FPS.
Your Music on that Revolut Add is just something else now I want a revolut card xd
Advertisement was actually worth watching
loved the ad btw
I'm fascinated by this sound 04:03
Great video! I mean intuitively it all makes sense, everything has cost in performance. And it does seem like CS 2 needs optimizations, but I think for a reasonably good looking game it's performance is not bad and all of these things make the gun more enjoyable IMO :)
Clean your keyboard!
Banger video
My first time attending a cs tournament since I started playing in 2007 😈
I'll keep an eye out for you my honourable friend 🤪
Amazing video
the last time i was that early CS:GO was still up
Hey Philip! I really like how you visually show the test results. What software do you use to make them?
love the memes in this
What were you doing in sweden around the 19th MAY????
Or do you have dobbelgangers running around as decoys?
I wonder what sound a Philip decoy grenade would make...
cool! I didnt know the weapons were part of the 3d culling, I always thought they were 2d shapes drawn on top of the scene, like the ammo or health indicators.
my pc died recently, so i got ahold of an old laptop. i can run Rogue Company, Valorant, and Fortnite at low settings 100+fps, but when i get on cs2 and switch to stretched 1280x768 or lower im not even getting constant 60 on lowest settings. its actually insane.
How much ram does the laptop have? CS’s framerate doubled for me when i went from 8 to 16 gb
@@HammyHamilton451 not any brobro, i got 8gb, not even 4gb usable. but i got no way of upgrading that rn. im working on a new build tho so its temporary
Appreciate that you talked about frametimes. Rendering something like your hud doesn't take a constant number of FPS, it takes a constant (ish) number of milliseconds or microseconds. Using framerate as a metric is just confusing and misleading.
the edit on fluffkin when you was getting the intel pc hehe :D
another great 3kliksphilip asmr video.
To me, as someone who did a lot of computer graphics stuff (OpenGL and GLSL), it was obvious that game would run at higher FPS without HUD or viewmodel, and also that different weapon models would get your different ammount of FPS. But I was surprised to see that CS2 uses this intense occlusion culling method than even your viewmodel can occlude geometry.
And also comparing frametime was the right decision, comparing FPS difference at 30-40 and 1800-2000 makes no sense.
Good video 👍
I have a first generation core i3 with integrated HD graphics, that part about HD graphics doing frames per *minute* hit close to home
Ooooh an in depth video on GPU culling please!!!!
I like how Philips has realised how dirty his keybord is up close while filming and went ham on it at 7:28, because he will clean it anyway.
Right?
very cool video
I like when you let your silly personality taking over philip. Remembers me of the beginning of your youtuber career.
IT WASNT A RIDGE WALLET SPONSOR BUT I SAW A WALLET 😮 MIND BLOWN
i lost it at the lotion XD
Damn, ordered a new cpu-mobo-ram combo 3 hours before this video came online. Had I known this, I wouldn't had to retire my i5-3570k rig :(