Frank Zappa - Debate On School Beat, 1986

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  • čas přidán 2. 04. 2012
  • January 5th, 1986, KHJ-TV, Los Angeles,
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Komentáře • 167

  • @PHELCAN
    @PHELCAN Před 9 lety +624

    LOL I love this guy. It's like "yeah let's get Frank Zappa on our show, this should be a nice fair debate" and then he gets up there and just straight rails on the industry for 20 mins and completely destroys everyone.

    • @joeslob1199
      @joeslob1199 Před 7 lety +10

      Cause it's all BS as we know it.

  • @paultaylor537
    @paultaylor537 Před 10 lety +542

    Besides being the most important musical genius of our time, Frank was a major troubadour for free speech. We owe him much more than most will ever know. So if he sounds arrogant, it's because you don't "get" him. He was a voice of Reason.

  • @corbination11
    @corbination11 Před 11 lety +78

    i like that the host actually listened to what frank had to say

  • @fuggulator
    @fuggulator Před 11 lety +85

    nothing beats a reagan era zappa tv interview!

  • @CentrifugalSatzClock
    @CentrifugalSatzClock Před 9 lety +298

    Frank was a beacon of light in a dark time! He fought the battle against idiots at every turn.

  • @spockboy
    @spockboy Před 11 lety +153

    God, I don't know how Frank had the patience for this.

  • @hotvision
    @hotvision Před 9 lety +295

    Frank Zappa is about 30 years and 500 books ahead of these other two trolls. Host is great however.

  • @howulikemenow10
    @howulikemenow10 Před 11 lety +119

    Yes, Frank shows great patience and intelligence, but I think this is also a great example of how people from different points of view used to be able to sit down and talk without resorting to diatribe. I thought the moderator did a good job too.

  • @marshalljimduncan898
    @marshalljimduncan898 Před 11 lety +52

    When I first heard Mr. Zappa talk about these social issues I didnt want to believe what he was saying. Now I know he was ahead of his time. Thanks Frank for fighting the good fight.

  • @ivanbox2061
    @ivanbox2061 Před 9 lety +76

    17:29 Frank Zappas face !! priceless !!!!!
    pricelesssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!

  • @MasterofPuberty
    @MasterofPuberty Před 9 lety +88

    This is Frank's show.

  • @ELPsteel
    @ELPsteel Před 10 lety +61

    I love how in all the interviews from this time period, they threw Frank in with a group of people who ALL disagree, yet he makes them all look silly every single time. RIP

  • @sm1135ster1
    @sm1135ster1 Před 7 lety +58

    Man, Zappa is so brilliant and calm when making his very well researched POV.

  • @BlargGargle
    @BlargGargle Před 9 lety +154

    I remember when I was teenager, bands would push to get the parental advisory stickers on their albums even if there wasn't a reason just so they could get more hype. A lot of my friends had the "Parental Advisory" sticker on their backpacks and the door of their bedrooms and whatnot.

  • @donsylvester1107
    @donsylvester1107 Před 7 lety +37

    Intelligent. Articulate. Ideologically precise. AMAZING composer and performer.
    The man was a pure genius in every possible sense of the word.
    (Born in Baltimore, too. REPRESENT BABY)
    Oh, and Go Ravens.

  • @kipponi
    @kipponi Před 10 lety +40

    Yeah Zappa's music was ahead of his time and so was his thought's.
    And how can he be so patience with those idiot's?
    Oscar for patience.

  • @Mropinions100
    @Mropinions100 Před 10 lety +21

    "If a person hears a song about masturbation, it's ALL OVER". Brilliant!

  • @wrwhitworth
    @wrwhitworth Před 12 lety +31

    Thank you for posting this. Frank's debating tour vs. the PMRC landed him in some pretty ridiculous company at times. This was a gem.

  • @tgriffiths00
    @tgriffiths00 Před 8 lety +34

    I love Zappa

  • @StefanGBucher
    @StefanGBucher Před 10 lety +49

    Jim Hodson had it right at 6:28 -- record companies ended up putting warning stickers on albums that didn't even require it. The same album will sell better with a sticker than without. As Frank said, face saving PR all around.

  • @billymusicwb
    @billymusicwb Před 10 lety +81

    Frank blindsides all parties in this discussion by forcing the discussion to follow the specific facts of the bill they are discussing. All but Frank are attempting the modern norm, which is to fluff the hype in broad political terms pandering to the bias of the listener. It has become an established fact that the tyranny of concision will demand that what passes for debate will be a contest in pandering to prejudice. I'd put Frank's contribution here up against every single Presidential debate ever televised, and all "point counter-point" discussions on the tube. Al Franken gives me the same feeling on the floor of the Senate. Side note: Why was Frank censored for saying the same word the host read in the opening sequence?

  • @ElGuitaristo79
    @ElGuitaristo79 Před 10 lety +43

    Frank is a genious! Very entertaining, his answers are awesome :D

    • @Kiln99
      @Kiln99 Před 9 lety +19

      Amazing how often you see genius misspelt in CZcams comments lol :-D

  • @23igna
    @23igna Před 7 lety +68

    Lol. I love frank zappa's sense of humour

  • @AnthonyKiyola
    @AnthonyKiyola Před 7 lety +50

    "Good evening, I'm Dinah Moe Humm. Tonight on School Beat we have a debate between Frank Zappa, Bobby Brown, my sister and yours truly about ... " that's who they really were ; )

  • @momolooooo
    @momolooooo Před 10 lety +22

    These other people are just outclassed, Zappa's the man

  • @DrUmRbOy67
    @DrUmRbOy67 Před 11 lety +64

    Frank was too smart for those folks...clear as day!!

  • @DanielGarcia1980
    @DanielGarcia1980 Před 11 lety +158

    I've been listening to Slayer, Pantera, Metallica, Megadeth....ect, since I was 13. At 32, I have yet to kill anyone, sacrifice an animal, and I'm raising my children to be good morally sound individuals! Music is entertainment, no more, no less! You don't like it, don't listen to it!

  • @Eddieguitarloebs
    @Eddieguitarloebs Před 9 lety +41

    Frank may have well been talking to a wall!

  • @perkyporkpie
    @perkyporkpie Před 11 lety +24

    Whatever you think at least its a rational conversation-27 years later every 'debate' on TV verges on hysteria

  • @roman14032
    @roman14032 Před 12 lety +55

    poor frank, he had to go through his whole life never finding an equal.

  • @Some0neSomewhere
    @Some0neSomewhere Před 9 lety +52

    People wanting to control what others think or feel. Why not, *gasp*, allow others to choose what works for them? Btw...pretty sure Jack the Ripper and Adolf Hitler didn't listen to heavy metal or Prince etc.

  • @skateNappreciate
    @skateNappreciate Před 10 lety +21

    imagine if frank zappa was still alive today, imagine what he'd have to say about everything. imagine how he would use the technology we have now, anything he imagined he would be able to create.... total mood kill, fuck cancer

  • @22fret
    @22fret Před 10 lety +15

    If there's one thing, I've learned from this show, it's that hairdos can be made from spray foam... ;-)
    Such a shame that Frank is not with us anymore...

  • @IdleEdsel
    @IdleEdsel Před 12 lety +14

    Classic Stuff. Frank Zappa was a great advocate for freedom and liberty. the PMRC was a great irony in the Trash Heap of Reactionary History

  • @dhoerst
    @dhoerst Před 9 lety +4

    It's now 2015....and the beat (no pun intended) goes on and on...

  • @JR-sw2ru
    @JR-sw2ru Před 10 lety +16

    FRANK OWNED THE FLOOR

  • @blackfkgmetal
    @blackfkgmetal Před 10 lety +11

    These people were out of their league dealing with a articulate guy like FZ.

  • @VangeliRock
    @VangeliRock Před 9 lety +7

    I miss Frank.

  • @igunzOsick
    @igunzOsick Před 11 lety +9

    “Supreme Court says pornography is anything without artistic merit that causes sexual thoughts; that's their definition, essentially. No artistic merit, causes sexual thoughts. Hmm. . . . Sounds like . . . every commercial on television, doesn't it?”-quote by a dead hero you should already know.

  • @snapper658
    @snapper658 Před 11 lety +5

    This is one person I would loved to have met.

  • @eddie1917o
    @eddie1917o Před 10 lety +18

    Did you notice that towards the end the lady in the blue dress said that some folk will never be old enough to decide for them(our?)selves?
    I suppose you folk will say "awesome";-)

  • @sleepingtiger4436
    @sleepingtiger4436 Před 10 lety +19

    at 1:40 into the video she stops short and says "I only read the ones i could read aloud"... Already she is censored... In order to convey the 'weight' of her message, and to start the discussion she needs an example, but is only able to convey it by adding that she could not repeat it. Irony.

  • @frannyzooey11
    @frannyzooey11 Před 9 lety +29

    Relax. It's only the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    • @alanfalleur6550
      @alanfalleur6550 Před 9 lety +8

      Right. The first rule of censorship in the American system is you don't call it censorship. That's why the lady from the PTA very early on in the debate tries to distance herself from the term censor. Once that label is attached to her, she's lost the debate because the PTA has a history of supporting the First Amendment. Notice that she immediately goes on the defensive once he connects the PTA to the First Amendment at 18:25 and starts talking in terms of "consumer information" and pretends she's perfectly happy with the status quo.

  • @J3unG
    @J3unG Před 11 lety +11

    it's amazing that this shit was happening in the 1980's. it blew my mind when it happened back then -- 30 years after McCarthy and here it was happening in front of me. know this though: this whole controversy was not a big deal in the context of American life at that time. no one really gave a shit...well except the media who needed the story for ratings. the stickers actually helped SELL records back then. it's how RAP MUSIC blew up. LOL!! nice interview though.

  • @FZappa20
    @FZappa20 Před 9 lety

    love it

  • @surfdigby
    @surfdigby Před 10 lety +51

    That lady hosting is great. She's trying to be impartial and neutral, but she brought up the nepotistic advantage that the senator's wives would have, and dropped few really sly digs in.
    And Frank is still brilliant in that he can pronounce the word "stupid" in the most infantile way, like a child in a school playground, and reference cow flops but without degrading his argument, or even opening himself up to be criticised for it.
    It takes a lot of intelligence to be able to pull off being that dumb.

    • @pillsareyummy
      @pillsareyummy Před 9 lety +1

      ***** Yes, however Feynman loved to party. He (Feynman) would have tried spiking Zappa's drink (Zappa didn't do drugs). If Zappa caught him, he would have blamed it on Quantum Physics ...

  • @joemiller947
    @joemiller947 Před 5 lety +12

    Funny how alarmist everyone was about media in the eighties. Even funnier how everyone is a broken record on the issue today.

  • @waldog7996
    @waldog7996 Před 7 lety +12

    Frank exudes intelligence. A student of mine had their parents censor the music the student can listen to by allowing their kid to buy Weird Al albums. The kid got the tune...with Al's humor/'easier' lyrics. I thought that was a happy medium for controlling what their kid hears & letting their kid hear today's music/sound. The kid was happy with it all too. I love Weird Al (he & I are the same age and I remember hearing him on Dr. Demento when we were in high school) and I love Frank Zappa. Dynamo Hum, baby! :o)

  • @Kurbisa
    @Kurbisa Před 11 lety +6

    They should have presented him as "National treasure" instead of "National treasurer".

  • @ceounicom
    @ceounicom Před 11 lety +9

    Hold on.. they actually captioned Zappa as, "National Treasurer"?? HOLY JESUS. I suspect there was some serious joke pulled off there.

  • @fangettes
    @fangettes Před 11 lety +2

    darling niki is my favorite part of the movie Purple Rain

  • @Soundillusions94xyz
    @Soundillusions94xyz Před 10 lety +8

    Hahaha his expression is funny at 0:49 :P. Anyways, I am not extremely familiar with frank but somehow when I heard that name a couple of years ago it sounded very familiar for some reason. I think my father knows about him although I'm not sure.
    He's a great guy and I admire him so much, some people think he's just an asshole but his honesty and candid personality make him come off as a prick, or arrogant. But sometimes the people you're surrounded with make you act like one. Frank was a great guy and even though I don't know much about him or his music I am somehow attached to him, sadly he is long gone. I wish he was still alive, I wonder what he would think and say of the world as it is today. Probably not much different I guess, Frank said many things that have come true today, and were active in his days but not as prominent.

  • @malice1337
    @malice1337 Před 10 lety +12

    The only way "words" would ever hurt anyone is if they are extremely sensitive or have underlying mental condition already.

  • @FatManRedemption
    @FatManRedemption Před 11 lety +4

    I think before this show, some guy involved with the program said, "What do you want yourself labeled as?" And he replied, "National Treasure." I believe that Mr. Behind-The-Scenes intentionally added that extra "R."

  • @pillsareyummy
    @pillsareyummy Před 11 lety

    Great quote...

  • @Catsincages
    @Catsincages Před 11 lety +5

    Then the internet happened and the world lost its virginity.

  • @alejandro201281
    @alejandro201281 Před 11 lety

    i couldn't agree more.

  • @csalvano
    @csalvano Před 11 lety

    preach!

  • @BrennanWayneLuther
    @BrennanWayneLuther Před 11 lety +3

    Once it's not the "norm" to use subjective feeling over objective logic, we can move forward.

  • @lanceganaway7409
    @lanceganaway7409 Před 9 lety +1

    I've heard much of frank's opposition state how many millions of copies of prince, motley crue, twisted sister etc have been sold, but how many people spend their money on things they DONT WANT....r.i.p. frank

  • @ezyryder11
    @ezyryder11 Před 11 lety +10

    15:56 "My point of view comes from the point of view of all kids." Dear god look at her and listen to what she's saying; how on earth does she claim to represent kids.

  • @whitedwarf13
    @whitedwarf13 Před 11 lety +1

    Very true!

  • @DoctorBlankenstein
    @DoctorBlankenstein Před 11 lety +3

    He would have ran for President :(

  • @robertcolby-witanek3011
    @robertcolby-witanek3011 Před 10 lety +37

    Also, how is any music "pornography"?

    • @vasarian
      @vasarian Před 10 lety +1

      Ever hear of Sleep Chamber, Master Slave Relationship or Whitehouse? Pretty scary stuff

    • @TheStankyGreen
      @TheStankyGreen Před 10 lety +22

      Cause it is so good it gives you an eargasm.

    • @MasterofPuberty
      @MasterofPuberty Před 9 lety +4

      Serge Gainsbourg comes close at times. _Sure_, make that pun intended!

    • @Jagethemage
      @Jagethemage Před 9 lety +1

      J Begley scary?

    • @vasarian
      @vasarian Před 9 lety

      Ever hear of Sleep Chamber? - look up a live show on You Tube - that will get you thinking!

  • @Frankincensedjb123
    @Frankincensedjb123 Před 10 lety +1

    The hair! The myth! The intro. lady.

  • @fredmos4029
    @fredmos4029 Před 11 lety

    you are right

  • @tarantism
    @tarantism Před 12 lety +3

    While I do agree with Frank that there should never be government censorship ever, I have a hard time believing that Frank actually believes that music has zero affect on the psychology of its listener. Every popular music style has along with it an aesthetic and lifestyle that is contagious. However, there is nothing objectively immoral about certain behaviors contained in those lifestyles. Doing drugs, fucking, wearing certain clothes and acting a certain way is not criminal.

  • @BledsoeBluvd
    @BledsoeBluvd Před 11 lety

    I love how that dude just appears at 4:27 out of nowhere hah. Frank telling it like it is as per.

  • @IwanttoliveinParis
    @IwanttoliveinParis Před 10 lety +2

    I was twenty in 1986. Darling Nikki got no airplay that I can recall. But Purple Rain was a massive album, that's for sure. Ah ... just read Tipper Gore was particularly offended by Darling Nikki, so that makes sense. What are you going to do? Kids are going to listen to their older brother's/sister's records. Say their was an age limit, like 16 perhaps. All that would have done was make kids "shoulder tap" someone 17 or older to buy the record/CD for them. Like your older brother buying you beer. And then you'd be busting record store cashiers for selling to minors. It would have been a mess. Glad it didn't happen.

  • @dpwsworldoffunstuff6901
    @dpwsworldoffunstuff6901 Před 11 lety +1

    I find zappa to be rather intelligent, just because he is not a religious man of any sort does not mean he is stupid. It just means he is not ignorant.

  • @Videocu
    @Videocu Před 9 lety +1

    in my country there is a stand up showmen said once when they criticize his shows and films contains too much bad words and bad example to kids he said this "are those kids that stupid to take it as sample my films words why they should not inspire to be a movie director or kind of artists instead? there are no wrong things in my works maybe there is something wrong with your kids and way of you raising them "

  • @aaronfledge
    @aaronfledge Před 11 lety

    Ray White definitely was. Great musician, great singer.

  • @CapnPink28
    @CapnPink28 Před 9 lety +5

    "Kinda like a food label. If I want to eat healthy, I look at the ingredients before I buy it."
    I wonder if he still makes this claim?

  • @l8on99
    @l8on99 Před 11 lety +2

    Frank should of ended this by having these 3 people locked up in a ward for going on air looking the way they do and saying what they said. It's insane behaviour.

  • @kfsfkakf
    @kfsfkakf Před 12 lety +1

    I'm sure the opposition grew up in the period of Elvis and The Beatles. They weren't pastors in Church as far as I'm concerned

  • @alexjbrodie
    @alexjbrodie Před 10 lety +1

    So, someone told the presenter: "yep - you're good to go."?

  • @TristanJCumpole
    @TristanJCumpole Před 11 lety +4

    17:38 - "which came first, the chicken or the egg?"
    I solved this one a couple of years back. Still a little late given the context I guess.
    The egg came first. Before the chicken species came the pre-chicken species which also laid pre-chicken species eggs. The pre-chicken species then evolved into the chicken.

  • @skyrock100
    @skyrock100 Před 10 lety

    and people say life was better then...

  • @elchafa337
    @elchafa337 Před 11 lety +2

    14:51 - Zappa's intervention right there is fucking brilliant

  • @BoxesOfFoxes
    @BoxesOfFoxes Před 9 lety +2

    Why isn't 2 live crew stepping up and defending there art and music.

  • @toolkien
    @toolkien Před 11 lety +8

    Well, it's been 30 years since those spine curving, pornographic lyrics were hurled upon the world, and the generation that grew up with them are doctors, lawyers, accountants, dentists, actuaries, and architects. The US didn't collapse under the assault of Prince and Two Live Crew. But we are about broken by terrible fiscal and monetary policies. Maybe if the people had gotten themselves more in a twist about the ramping up of corporo-fascism instead of music, we'd be a better place today.

  • @gha23ify
    @gha23ify Před 10 lety +1

    Chiper there next to Zappa looks like a future toe tapper , o the irony !

  • @SilveevliS
    @SilveevliS Před 10 lety +2

    Who dressed these people?

  • @fadethetrade
    @fadethetrade Před 11 lety

    I say to you, "CHEEZY"

  • @lowlypeasant
    @lowlypeasant Před 11 lety +2

    You want these old crones to decide what you can listen to? No way, Jose. See you later, alligator.

  • @JonP1961
    @JonP1961 Před 11 lety

    LOL!

  • @OQMusic
    @OQMusic Před 11 lety +4

    @11:00 I bet Zappa was eyyerolling the shit outta him

  • @whitedwarf13
    @whitedwarf13 Před 11 lety +1

    "Frank Zappa- National Treasurer"- huh?

  • @bradipous1
    @bradipous1 Před 10 lety +2

    Frank, with those puritan, fanatic, narrow-minded people rational and logical reasoning doesn't work. Perhaps right for this fact we need to challenge them with provocative art and artefacts.
    Anyway thanks a lot for all you did in your life, music misses you.

  • @pandanurse
    @pandanurse Před 10 lety +9

    I love Zappa. He was an abrasive asshole; he didn't take any shit. He was always like, this is how it is, this is why. Brilliant mind

  • @p165711
    @p165711 Před 11 lety

    After all these years, it never occurred to me that Madonna's In the Groove was rude. Guess I'm naive.

  • @namsicklz
    @namsicklz Před 12 lety

    FRANK ZAPPA NATIONAL TREASURER!

  • @themilkbottle11
    @themilkbottle11 Před 11 lety

    That really wasn't suppose to be taken seriously.

  • @simplenough
    @simplenough Před 11 lety

    What do you mean?

  • @petermaxwell4904
    @petermaxwell4904 Před 7 lety +4

    used to sell deoderant, got it in one...no one is making you listen to his music either ,your'e free to choose...!

  • @1300l
    @1300l Před 11 lety +1

    "we want consumer information"
    now we have google and those close mind people who think sensure is cool still complaim about it now days

  • @salvandorum
    @salvandorum Před 7 lety

    I wrote " Lyre Lyrics" for Frank in 1980. He said..." at 3 hours and 10 minutes its too short ! " I turned it into a PhD on Phyto-Hydrophobic Utilization in Marine Hull Applications.

  • @lowlypeasant
    @lowlypeasant Před 11 lety +2

    Senator's wives?? Who gives a shit what Senator's wives want??

  • @sixfeetontop
    @sixfeetontop Před 10 lety +2

    ZAPPA OWNS!!!!!

  • @denisethepainterNarc-FreeZone

    "The violence: Brought on via lyrics in the music'. What a crock.
    Frank so effectively debated this and I think 'censorshit' in music is bogus...don't blame the music. What about all the people who listened to that music who did not turn to crime? Percentage-wise, almost all listeners did NOT become inspired to do crimes due to the music they listened to. In fact, I believe most criminals already had a predisposition to evil and crime before they even heard certain songs. Some might seek OUT songs they misinterpret as matching and condoning their skewed view of the world but that is a PERCEPTION- problem not a lyric-problem.To say music INSTIGATED their evil is preposterous.In fact, has anyone even claimed the music "MADE them do it"? And if so, PROVE it. Criminals LIE and shift blame all the time. Sick minds will read anything they want into anything they are exposed to. People have freedom of will and sane people are not finding encouragement, inspiration to condone evil in external stimuli. People are not THAT impressionable as to be inspired to do crime BECAUSE of lyrics in songs . Can't blame the music for activating the evil any more than blaming any number of things in a sick person's mind they encounter; they key element is the sick mind.. So many other circumstances manifest evil..beginning with stimuli surrounding circumstances of faulty upbringing and abuse in and around the home-life.Most criminals already have a propensity for crime and evil. So for those demented individuals, they find inspiration in ANY lyrics because they twist the meaning around as some form of justifying their sickness. Operative word: TWIST. Skew. Misinterpret or through pre-existing mental illness, read into music as instructional much as they would hear "instructions via the radio" or read some non-existent "meaning"/ interpretation they see in in signage on the street or a headline in a newspaper, song on radio, art in gallery, words in the BIBLE... as skewed instructional order to go on some murder-spree. Key is they are already sick and will read imagined meaning into ANY stimuli they come across.(not to mention imagined voices or barking orders via an imagined dog:Son of Sam) So many serious crimes committed by killers and child abusers who were deeply immersed in the church.
    (Are these people gonna call for banning/condemning these elements also as violence-inspiring? Of course not. Hypocrites.)
    Lots listened to hymns and country music too. If someone has a propensity for violence, they will find twisted symbolism, meaning and encouragement and inspiration in ANY music or movies or games, books, art etc...it's all how their twisted minds process and relate to that particular external stimuli.Twisted people will seek out and find anything in ANY media etc to inspire them to do their crimes.But don't blame the art...blame the sickos who are processing and interpreting that stimuli as defining and substantiating their activity in perpetuating their own ...sickness, It's a mental health / sick-perception -issue..not a music issue.If someone has a propensity for evil , they will find imaginary-misinterpreted "meaning" in ANYTHING that they are exposed to.
    (I'll bet you, somewhere on the planet, a serial-killer loved THIS "dangerous" song.)
    Louis Prima - Enjoy Yourself (It's Later Than You Think) - JazzAndBluesExperience