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The Rise and Fall of Minesweeper's Greatest Player - Kamil Murański
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- Minesweeper.
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24:50 I wasn't aware that JZE plays with his mouse facing 90 degrees left. That is incredibly cursed
i have a workmate that turns the paper 90 degrees sideways before writing regular english, he writes from top to bottom but it somehow turns out normal and readable. i have never seen such a cursed way of writing.
What how even
His thumb must be faster than his mind.
This is possibly the greatest minesweeper video of all time. Very well done. I appreciate that you went through and addressed Kamil's document accusing JZE of using UPK too because I haven't seen anyone really go through that before today.
Agreed :D great watch
Great video! You got all the main points and I liked that you included info from the saolei interview as I don't think many people know about it.
Great video. I’m an intermediate minesweeper player and I learned so much about the history and community from this!
Very well made! I only started playing in 2019, so much of this early history was unknown to me.
Thanks!!!
It was definitely worth the wait (^_^)
I would say that Cyber Knight is the greatest player ever, but this guy sounds pretty cool too
Hahahah
great, thorough video! well done kiraa :D
the long wait is over
really really great video. informative for those who want a deeper understanding beyond karl jobst's well-done introduction video. you deserve just as many views!
Thank youuu! Fun fact, I actually helped Karl in making of that video a bit, check his description ;)
what a good video fr, you are so underrated
hahah thanksss
YOOOOO THE GOD HAS UPLOADED
Wooow, great video! You really went deep in tge history with this one :)
cachowing
ayye the legend is bacc
Interesting video. Me on PC I'm not fast at all. Good one 💯👍
One of the videos ever made
33:15 "while most of players struggle to get one of those scores within a hour" - rather in a lifetime
Perhaps hahaha
great vid
Great work buddy
super good video
Bruh i don't want my real name to appear in the rankings
I'm a simple man. When I see Touhou and minesweeper, I like the video.
You are not just simple, you are amazing.
10:06 in my opinion, this is not an expert, but a special level, because there are only 75 bombs on the field
What? Hahah
@@kiraa96 take a closer look, it's an amazing thing)
Cool video
nice video! thanks for the history dive!
Thankss!
hey zalut_sky, did you find this video because of my community post? XD
@@WoMoCol hi, MoCol! yeah, lol
@@zalut_sky oh nice!! it's good to know that my post actually works. cuz i thought no one is reading it. it gets way fewer likes and comments compared to my videos >
@@WoMoCol that's a YT community problem for sure. at the other hand, you got a confirmation your subs watch your posts 🙂
where can i find kamil's analysis?
Minesweepergame.com forums
Does JZE have and socials?
Yes, but rarely uses them
@@kiraa96 what are they? im guessing chinese websites
Yup, but he has discord
Hi. I'm a retired MS player who just wanted to check the current MS World records at some point, thus came across this video.
Is there any website or video that displays Ze-En Ju's face? Even better would be to see him solving a MS board -- not just the screen and his hand with a mouse in it, but also his face and body being shown, with all the emotions and the body language.
If this all is in this video, I'm sorry -- I just find it too long to watch entirely. It would be nice to see the timestamp, then. If the video has none, then the links to external websites would be appreciated.
There has never been a ms player ever that used a facecam lmfao. And this video isn't really about world records but The rise and Fall of Kamil. Also why do you want to see JZE's face so badly hahah
@@kiraa96 Because I saw Kamil playing in real life (e.g. at the World Championship in Vienna 2015) and I have no doubts about him and Kamil's world records, but I can't say the same about Ze-En Ju. Has JZE ever competed in real-life face-to-face tournaments, preferrably outside China and on a third party's computer? That would be a good proof of his skills. Also I must say that I find your counter question a bit weird, or perhaps immature, heheh. The wish to see the world record holder's face and a video of him playing is perfectly logical and normal.
As for the 'rise and fall of Kamil', I think that it's rather a rise than a fall when smb quits MS - a beautiful but extremely addictive and basically useless and sponsorless puzzle game - in favour of a good useful job with a steady income, lol.
First of all, you haven't seen the video. So how dare you say something about the Rise. Second, I understand that you saw Kamil in person and you trust him a lot, and yeah thats how Ms meetups work, its the best way to prove a person is not cheating. But know that JZE over the last 4 years had made over 20 videos with his gameplay, has done many livestreams where you can hear him talk over and even set on-demand scores from us in the chat. And over the years, JZE has actually piled up more proof than Kamil has, even showing his top-level skills at other games.
Also do you really think some Asian kid will do a facecam and body video after so much was already asked of him and he did it?
@@kiraa96 I have just watched the entire video. First of all, I must say it's really informative, full of interesting historical facts and screenshots. I guess it has taken time. Thank you for this recording!
However, as for the contents and the main idea of your video: I still don't see sufficient evidence of JZE records being legit - until there is solid physical evidence as described in my comment above.
Extraordinary achievements require extraordinary proof, as the admin of The Authoritative MS admitted himself. The facts that JZE is young or he can't technically go abroad or he is too shy to be recorded on camera, etc etc. do not change the facts that the current evidence isn't sufficient. Perhaps Damien just got too tired of all this at some point and realised that the physical evidence will never come and so succumbed to the pressure from the community, I don't know. I
Of course Kamil is of a great authority when it comes to MS and I don't think his suspicions should be ignored even if those are mostly intuitive (like "I feel something is wrong, hard to say what exactly but something is definitely wrong"). Moreover, one can see from the MS forum screenshots (e.g. 35:41) that there are other sweepers who doubt the legitimacy of the new world records.
By the way, I don't find your refutation of Kamil's analysis convincing. His main point is a very high improbability of the facts he analysed (repeatedly saving time by lucky guessings of an opening, many sub40 Exp games in just ~20 minutes, a radical improvement of JZE scores after he actually reduced the amount of daily playing to some half an hour). And your answer is basically: "Everything is possible with good luck, hard work and incredible talent". This is some kind of faith in hard work, I think. Technically possible - yes, likely or plausible - no, raising no suspisions (especially without good physical evidence present) - no.
Answering your final question: I don't see why it's so problematic to make a facecam/body video after so many people have asked for it.
@@andreydevyatkin6382 why would he follow weird requests for a few outliers like you, Kamil and his most dedicated fans, especially if JZE is not comfortable doing so? First of all, you are quite late to the party. The situation has settled long ago. When the majority wanted to see from JZE, he provided plenty of material. The majority has been satisfied, including the majority of top players. Everyone moved on, besides these outliers. The majority doesn't need/ask for a "facecam/body" video either.
There will always be that minority that thinks JZE is cheating. You've got to understand that it's simply not worth for him to spend time and prove anything to few people saying stuff online. That's just how it is. There are plenty of existing recordings, livestreams, also players that seen him play irl. Does all of that not convince you? Well, you are from that minority then, unlucky.
Saying "Kamil is of a great authority when it comes to minesweeper" is the same as saying "Kramnik is of a great authority when it comes to chess". The times have changed, these guys showed they became completely out of touch and made clowns of themselves. It's time to stop taking their words seriously and stop giving them attention. Unless you're making content out of them ;)
The "preferably outside China" part was odd as well like the chinese have no credibility and shouldn't be trusted, bro pls xD Might as well ask JZE to show his ID in the video to completely prove he is INDEED JZE!
Please do not mislead others, kiraa, by making a video saying that 'Kamil can't accept others beating him'. I have proved beyond any doubt that JZE is a cheater and I've never had any problem with accepting any non fake records better than mine. And my Beginner 3BVs video upload claiming that it is current world record was a pure mistake, for some reason I'd neither checked the world ranking to check if my record has been broken, nor I noticed comments under the video. I've corrected the video descriptions a few months later, you haven't checked for that when uploading this video a month ago.
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i love peni
hypocrisy at its finest
you said that you have "proved beyond any doubt that JZE is a cheater", when everyone actually doubts that you proved it, kina ironic
Hi kamil, just a few questions.
Have you seen all of the evidence for JZE's evidence of legitimacy? For example his mousecam streams, videos, games on other sites and people seeing him play in real life. For me, your current evidence largely relies on you misunderstanding JZE's playstyle. You're allowed to believe JZE is illegitimate but I would love to see more evidence from you and have a more nuanced debate about this issue as the majority of the community is against you on this. Your inactivity is not helping your case.
Could you change the titles of your videos and not just the descriptions to reflect their status on the leaderboard (even if thats not including JZE)? I, and many others, find it misleading and it is not standard practise in the speedrunning community.
Thank you for correcting the beg bvs video. However, I am still confused as to why you posted it so soon after kiraa messaged you that he had beaten you.
Thank you.
So former 1st place is crying wolf.
Exactly