I think it's a privilege to have worked in a factory like that, somerhing I just can dream. Be proud of your father and your country! Greetings from Peru.
I drove a red 1936 3 window coupe with a little v-8 flathead. You could hand crank it or use the starter motor . Also had a rumble seat that folded up when you opened what looked like the trunk. Great fun until a young cop ran a red light in the high school zone over.70mph and hit me head on. Destroyed my sweet '36 coupe.
@@anon457 no I was in the hospital for 30 days with no coverage car total lost they haked it away. I never saw it again. City was exempt snd cop just kept working nwrecked another police car few weeks later n got fired n I got screwed.
@@dandahermitseals5582 I believe you but I do not see how a city employee can be exempt when he was wrong. If you haven't tryd I would get a lawyer, people have sued the government for much lesser reasons and won millions.
I recall my Dad talking in awe about the Ford V8. Always was puzzled by the name. A V8 was just an engine I thought - surely it must have had a proper name.
alot of the cars from the 1930s were just numbers and letters resembling what they were or would do, or even just there model and trim level, example: "ford model B coupe" the reason engines are still named after there design, I assume is for simplicity to avoid confusion, since most engines are very similar in design and it would just be confusing to have two engines with the same parts being named two different names.
The 1936 Ford V8 22HP is a 2.2L engine developing 60bhp at 3,500 rpm. Cars, in the UK in 1936, were charged road tax depending on their "rated horsepower". Hence, this car was sold as a "22hp", to attract a lower tax charge.
Not quite correct .the “22hp” refers to an arbitrary number arrived at by mathematical equation and bears no relation to actual power output. The equation was invented by the Royal Automobile Club and effectively multiplies cylinder diameter by the number of cylinders. It was all done purely for tax reasons.
@@matthewq4b An interesting expansion to what I found out ab intito, from an hours search on Google. It was all done to take advantage of lower road tax rates, being dependant on the "rated" hp for that year. Even if that figure, bore no relation to the actual power developed by the car's engine!
@@sandgrownun66 Yes but it was not rated HP but taxable rated HP which was derived as I noted. This lead to a pile of long stroke small bore engines being built to keep them in a lower tax bracket. Actual HP had no relation whatsoever to taxable rated HP
@@matthewq4b OK, A bit more research, has revealed more information! "Road vehicle ownership had been taxed since the earliest days of motor vehicles, with the UK's first schemes for "light locomotives" introduced in 1896. Under the Motor Car Act 1903, all road vehicles were taxed annually at a rate of 20 shillings per year, with the system administered by county councils. The Finance Act 1910 replaced the earlier system with the "Road Fund tax", based on a scale of liabilities based on horsepower rating, formulated by the Royal Automobile Club and subsequently referred to as the "Treasury rating". The Act stipulated that the funds raised should be used for maintaining the road network. The fund was administered by the Roads Board, which had considerable difficulty spending the money it raised, until it was replaced by the new Ministry of Transport in 1919, which abolished petrol duties and increased vehicle duties. The tax disc was first introduced in 1921, under the Roads and Finance Act 1920, which set the duty at £1 per horsepower. The UK Road Fund remained in place until 1937; when it was abolished the hypothecation of vehicle duties for roads came to an end. Responsibility for vehicle licensing was passed from county councils to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Centre in 1965. The "Treasury rating" system remained in place until 1948, when it was replaced by a flat rate Vehicle Excise Duty charge of £10 per annum. This flat rate system remained in place until 2001, when the present emissions-based banding system was introduced. By this time, the UK was the only country in Europe not to charge motorists on the basis of some characteristic of their vehicles." So between 1921 and 1937, the road fund was £1 per horsepower. So it made sense to be "economical" with the truth about the hp an engine could produce! Read this link, it explains everything you need to know about how the "Treasury rating", also known as the "Horsepower tax", was calculated: books.google.co.uk/books?id=LbCIGEFLi_kC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Royal+Automobile+Club+Treasury+rating&source=bl&ots=jm99Oaw5Ce&sig=ACfU3U1BNQlMJZ7rIT9oVI0ulL5z26vljg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBhJD9rfThAhU08-AKHaZPBOcQ6AEwE3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Royal%20Automobile%20Club%20Treasury%20rating&f=false
@@jwalster9412 these were 221 cid v8 engines rated at 65 horse power ,but these were built in Dagenham England and were taxed by thr MOT based on the reduced power rating for suchpurposes..such purposes...
no they were not. Manufacturer advise engine rebuild was at about every 40k miles. Would u like to rebuild your engine every 40k miles? And by rebuild i mean valve seat replacement, piston rings and many more. So sad that some people have a very short memory.
How wonderful it was to have a job and build something like a car. Today, that's all gone. What a waste of humanity. Those shote of the steel mill remind of my Dad. He worked hard for 35 years in the Open Hearth, where they made the steel and it poured out like a firey gold. He worked hard, he was a good man, a real man. Thanks Dad.
I’m surprised that in 1938, the machining for these parts were already so accurate and fine. Look at the gearing, the teeth, the springs etc. Not much different from today.
main difference is the cars now are lighter, comfortable, mostly aluminum, *watching your every move* , luxurious, sporty, have over 10×the HP, EFI, non leaded fuel, ABS, monocoque chassis, many electrics, Bluetooth connectivity. etc.
It would be nice to have brand new 1936 Ford today. They looked well made, high tech back then, but the mechanics were more owner friendly for home maintenance and repair.
Had a '37 four-door Ford till my Dad discovered I had a second car. I also had a '49 Olds 88. The guy that I bought the Ford from took it back (I worked with him at the bakery - one of the three jobs that I worked each day that summer. I was 16). Only had it for a few days. We lived downtown and the parking around our house was angle parking. So it took a few days for Dad to discover..
You can see the similarities between the 1936 Ford V8, & that of the Ford Pilot that was introduced in 1947. The engine size had increased by then. Initially, though, the Pilot was to be fitted with the small 22hp 136 cubic inch engine, but was dropped & replaced with the 30 hp (3622cc) V8 engine with 85 bhp. Very few improvements were done during the V8 Pilot production run. In 1949 a bonnet (or hood) safety catch was added, & the rear axle ratio was changed from 4.11:1 to 3.73:1
eld That smaller V860 was used widely throughout Europe because of heavy taxation on larger displacement engines, with generally smaller cars and shorter distances travelled all going into wide use/acceptability. It was WAS an option here in the 'states until...1941 maybe?...memory fails. 8
I remember the late Bert Thomas had sales brochures for the Pilot with the little 22hp V-8 even though it was never marketed. The Pilot was probably the heaviest car produced. The little V-8 would have barely pulled it along - not at all good for bank robbers!!!
Crazy to think that nearly a hundred years later we're still mass producing engines that follow the same design principle. Cylinders, valves, fuel and oil.
It's a shame the cars produced from that system are absolute shit. But that's not your fault...unless you're the engineer that designs these things to fall apart in 10-12 years despite all the advancements we'vegotten in machining precision and metallurgy.....
The Film cannot be earlier than late 1938 as it shows the E93A Ford Prefect at the end, which was introduced in October of that year. The '8' was not replaced until October 1939 by the E04A Anglia.
My late father had a Prefect as his first car. Given its issues they soon became known widely as the Ford Defect; some even affectionately back in the day referred to them as the Prefuct. Still, have had the best experience with Fords.
As a automotive technician, these kind of videos fascinate the hell out of me what great feats of engineering at Ford-Fix Or Repair Daily, Found On Road Dead, or backwards DROF, Driver Returns On Foot lol
No heater... No A/C... No Blue Tooth/XM Radio... No power windows... No idiot lights... No cup holders... No door remote... No GPS... No 27" low-profiles... No "Green" technology, was equipped with an ashtray and it ran on good ol' leaded gasoline. Give that to a young Millennial and they'd loose their bowels, go into a spoiled rage and scream child abuse.
My first car 1936 sedan bought from elderly couple 1958 almost mint 25000 miles and ran beautiful 70 in second almost a ton in top gear some had a problem jumping out of second gear on downhill runs.
This is when American made all kinds of Steel and glass and wire something we buy from China or Taiwan or South Korea it's about time we had our own steel industry back
I think the best way to bring America back to the good ole days again. Is to start manufacturing these vehicles again for a relatively inexpensive price so the average consumer can purchase one. Who's with me on this? If I one the lottery I guarantee you I would invest in starting another Manufacturing plant just like this one to help create jobs and bring character back to such well made Automobiles. I think we the people can do it but enough of us need to band together to make it happen.
You could not get a single person to work in a prewar factory. They were awful--terrible wages, no breaks, no talking, dark, dangerous and had time study men who cut the allowable time to do a job to the absolute bone. Look at the stooping, lifting, smoke and dust, that spray painter without any breathing filters, climbing over things, hand tools and doing it hundreds of times a day for 12 hours, six days/week for .20 cents/hour in the early '20's but it increased to $6-7 a day. The parking lots were full of men willing to take your job if you screwed up or missed a day (Ford would call your house or send a Ford cop out to investigate if you didn't show.) I guarantee you would not last a day!
“We are never satisfied with the way that everything is done in any part of the organization; we always think it ought to be done better and that eventually it will be done better." Henry Ford, My Life and Work, 1922, p.77
@Bill WilliamsYou insult Henry Ford and slaves. Henry built Ford Motor by sheer force of will. Hundreds of thousands of people were employed. Tens of thousands quit and went on with their lives. Slaves could be whipped, tortured, maimed, chained and jailed. Anything a rich, dissatisfied car owner can do to destroy his unfaithful car (personal property) a slave owner could do to a slave. It is an insult to compare Henry Ford with a slave owner. Henry Ford DID expect worker to work. I know this is anathema to UAW members. When you hire a hundred thousand workers, you want them to get as much work done as possible. Henry made continuous productivity improvements to the production line, decreases in cost, improvements in components increases in wages, all resulting in more benefit to the consumer. This is totally foreign to the UAW as they bitterly resent productivity improvement. Might lead to fewer workers and a less powerful union. Henry Ford’s black workers stuck with him longer than his white workers. My hat is off to them. UAW members are just like the mafia or gang bangers. They steal from honest people who create value. A gang banger will put a gun to the head of a woman and demand the money she EARNED if she doesn’t want to be destroyed. Exactly as unions do. They LOVE their clout. You started out deciding your self-interest is with unions. You then assembled facts to prove that correct. No truth can penetrate your brain. You will believe your nonsense for the rest of your life. Henry Ford built millions of cars and the UAW extorted money from him. UAW Motors has yet to build a single car.
Nick Motsarsky The old seat bottoms were waterfall front and rear to prevent pressure on the tailbone and the bottom of the hamstrings. The backs were convex to allow sitting with the chest out and shoulders back. Modern seats are concave, which is perfect for old folks whose backs are curving and shoulders slumping.
@@TimmyP1955 true, they look comfortable to sit while there are no motions involved. But if you drive and move especially while cornering, then you would be sliding on those seats, especially if they are leather. But yes they seem very comfortable to sit
I had a '37 tudor 85 hp--the hot rod of its day but if you had any inclination that stopping was necessary it was a good idea to begin planning the day before!!!--Until late 1938 that old mule, Henry ford, would not permit hydraulic brakes on his cars and it was a crap shoot as to which wheel would actually begin braking no matter how hard you pressed on the pedal. I turned sideways more than once! Chrysler had hydraulics in the mid 20"s. Fords also had a terrible reputation for rusting. Within two years the floor boards and the trunk bottom would be full of holes. I had to put a cross brace inside the drivers door so it wold not scrape on the running board because the bottom hinge area rotted away! The clutch was badly designed and it didn't take long for it to begin chattering and eventually reversing was hardly possible because of the terrible shaking and chattering. The enclosed driveshaft made replacement a nasty job. It would go 76 in second gear and 82 in high-my guardian angle sure had to work overtime while I had that thing!
My mother had one of these the V8 Pilot.I was privelege to be able to use it. One journey was London to Cornwall.while in the RAF. national service 1957. It did 12to15 miles to the gallon.plus yes the brakes were really bad. But in those days it was a Great Car. I'm now I'm my 80s.drive a Lexus 450h.but still have found memories of the V8 Pilot.
22 was the taxable horsepower (used in the UK until about 1954). In the US, this would have been called the V-8 60 (60 being the actual brake horsepower)
@@simonlane1277 - I believe there was a calculation based on cylinder bore and piston area, 'tax horsepower' in Wikipedia gives the gen. Cars were named by their tax-horsepower, hence Austin '7' (7.2 tax horsepower) and the like.
@@robertm2663 no they were closer to 75 horse power.. You must be thinking of the V860 which came out in 1936 and was rated at 60 horse power from a 137 cid engine...
At 6:36 I believe those men are gas welding! Unless it's some strange old-fashioned Heliarc torch. I can't imagine doing that to every car, and the speed at which they work those seams. Kind of amazing.
samcarlson: Yes they are using acetylene for soldering some of the joints. Another man would come behind and grind it smooth. A good craftsman could do it pretty quickly.
@@markreisen7038 When my friend's father died, I helped them clean out his basement shop. I found a quart can of Molykote. I had to look it up, it's a graphite mix. I bet it's what you are talking about.
That was exceptionally hard work back then; especially rubbing the body down for a smooth finish. I wonder how long a person could last on a job like that...
@@Pontiacman1964 pre penecillin. Life was short and far less certain than what we were born into. Our consciousness has shifted. Then you could die from a scratch.
the “22hp” refers to an arbitrary number arrived at by mathematical equation and bears no relation to actual power output. The equation was invented by the Royal Automobile Club and effectively multiplies cylinder diameter by the number of cylinders. It was all done purely for tax reasons.
This is an English Ford, not an American Ford. In 1936 the American Ford V8 had 85hp, not 22hp. The British, not having their own domestic supply of oil, used much less powerful engines to get higher MPGs. The smallest American Ford V8 was the 60hp, and that was introduced in 1937. The Ford 60hp was dropped after 1940 and replaced with the inline 6 cylinder 90hp engine. The V8 at that time also had 90hp, but the last Ford Flathead V8, (1953), had 110hp.
The English rating is taxable horsepower. An equation using bore size to determine its taxable liability rather than number of cyls. Developed horsepower was similar.
Up to the early 50's engines were designed to have a bearing for each two cylinders (e.g. Renault Ventoux or Chrysler Slant Six). Then a bearing for each one cylinder became mandatory to solve balancing and achieve higher power, torque and lessen vibrations (e.g. Renault Cleon, Chrysler Hemi and the engine designs of today)
Years ago, a museum restored a Model T engine. They were astounded at how close every piston and rod weight was to each other - as close as a modern engine.
The first generation of these engines were prone to overheating in southern states, a result of having the exhaust gases circulate inside the block right next to the water coolant, it was said that the idea came from Henry Ford himself as he liked the engines to warm up quickly in the winters of Michigan
Yep RAC horsepower rating for Registration purposes based on the point 4 ,d squared .N formula made for 22 HP. Stupid formula held back development of English cars for along time.
Was horsepower measured differently in the UK compared to the US? The US 1936 Ford V8 put out 85 horsepower. I can't imagine why Ford of England would produce a 22 horsepower V8 unless it was computed differently than the US V8. Maybe the horsepower was computed as less because of road taxes?
Even using the British taxable HP formula you would get something like 35 or 40 I think. The Model T was actually 22 taxable HP in England. So I don't think the title is correct.
the “22hp” refers to an arbitrary number arrived at by mathematical equation and bears no relation to actual power output. The equation was invented by the Royal Automobile Club and effectively multiplies cylinder diameter by the number of cylinders. It was all done purely for tax reasons.
@@michael931 fact of the matter is the Model T was only good for about 20 brake horse power , so the taxable road use rate would have been much lower..
I enjoy these classic car manafacturing videos..
My dad had a V8 taxi in the late 40s or early 50s and also worked in Dagenham during the war. He worked in Dunlop's in Cork until the mid 70s.
I think it's a privilege to have worked in a factory like that, somerhing I just can dream. Be proud of your father and your country! Greetings from Peru.
Looking at that specialized machinery, you realize the brilliance of Henry Ford.
We had something very similar in the Morris and Auston factories in the UK around the same time.
Bill Williams bill I think you’re full of shit 😂
@@waybachwin1747 How many drinks have you had?
Michael Mika 0, non drinker after mom died from it
Those v8s are beautiful cars.
I wish I could drive an as new 36 Ford sedan V~8 to see what it was like.
Those people were incredibly hard working.
I drove a red 1936 3 window coupe with a little v-8 flathead. You could hand crank it or use the starter motor . Also had a rumble seat that folded up when you opened what looked like the trunk. Great fun until a young cop ran a red light in the high school zone over.70mph and hit me head on. Destroyed my sweet '36 coupe.
@@dandahermitseals5582 your lucky to be alive, and I hope they paid you the cost and then some.
@@anon457 no I was in the hospital for 30 days with no coverage car total lost they haked it away. I never saw it again. City was exempt snd cop just kept working nwrecked another police car few weeks later n got fired n I got screwed.
@@dandahermitseals5582 I believe you but I do not see how a city employee can be exempt when he was wrong. If you haven't tryd I would get a lawyer, people have sued the government for much lesser reasons and won millions.
@Aaron Cubitt I can't tell if youre being sarcastic or if youre actually this dumb....
Check out the camera man at 10:33 in the reflection of the hub cap. He is hand winding the film camera.
Good spot
HA! Great catch. One of those hidden gems that adds to the story.
Lol didn't spot that, well done 😃
Nice catch.
Hand crank camera
I recall my Dad talking in awe about the Ford V8. Always was puzzled by the name. A V8 was just an engine I thought - surely it must have had a proper name.
alot of the cars from the 1930s were just numbers and letters resembling what they were or would do, or even just there model and trim level, example: "ford model B coupe"
the reason engines are still named after there design, I assume is for simplicity to avoid confusion, since most engines are very similar in design and it would just be confusing to have two engines with the same parts being named two different names.
I love the Cosmopolitan accent the narrator has. Cracks me up.
Considering that this film is British.
You can tell by the accent, it was filmed by Pathe and the car was build in the Dagenham plant.
The 1936 Ford V8 22HP is a 2.2L engine developing 60bhp at 3,500 rpm. Cars, in the UK in 1936, were charged road tax depending on their "rated horsepower". Hence, this car was sold as a "22hp", to attract a lower tax charge.
Not quite correct .the “22hp” refers to an arbitrary number arrived at by mathematical equation and bears no relation to actual power output. The equation was invented by the Royal Automobile Club and effectively multiplies cylinder diameter by the number of cylinders. It was all done purely for tax reasons.
@@matthewq4b An interesting expansion to what I found out ab intito, from an hours search on Google. It was all done to take advantage of lower road tax rates, being dependant on the "rated" hp for that year. Even if that figure, bore no relation to the actual power developed by the car's engine!
@@sandgrownun66 Yes but it was not rated HP but taxable rated HP which was derived as I noted. This lead to a pile of long stroke small bore engines being built to keep them in a lower tax bracket. Actual HP had no relation whatsoever to taxable rated HP
@@matthewq4b OK, A bit more research, has revealed more information! "Road vehicle ownership had been taxed since the earliest days of motor vehicles, with the UK's first schemes for "light locomotives" introduced in 1896. Under the Motor Car Act 1903, all road vehicles were taxed annually at a rate of 20 shillings per year, with the system administered by county councils.
The Finance Act 1910 replaced the earlier system with the "Road Fund tax", based on a scale of liabilities based on horsepower rating, formulated by the Royal Automobile Club and subsequently referred to as the "Treasury rating". The Act stipulated that the funds raised should be used for maintaining the road network. The fund was administered by the Roads Board, which had considerable difficulty spending the money it raised, until it was replaced by the new Ministry of Transport in 1919, which abolished petrol duties and increased vehicle duties. The tax disc was first introduced in 1921, under the Roads and Finance Act 1920, which set the duty at £1 per horsepower. The UK Road Fund remained in place until 1937; when it was abolished the hypothecation of vehicle duties for roads came to an end. Responsibility for vehicle licensing was passed from county councils to the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Centre in 1965.
The "Treasury rating" system remained in place until 1948, when it was replaced by a flat rate Vehicle Excise Duty charge of £10 per annum. This flat rate system remained in place until 2001, when the present emissions-based banding system was introduced. By this time, the UK was the only country in Europe not to charge motorists on the basis of some characteristic of their vehicles."
So between 1921 and 1937, the road fund was £1 per horsepower. So it made sense to be "economical" with the truth about the hp an engine could produce!
Read this link, it explains everything you need to know about how the "Treasury rating", also known as the "Horsepower tax", was calculated: books.google.co.uk/books?id=LbCIGEFLi_kC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Royal+Automobile+Club+Treasury+rating&source=bl&ots=jm99Oaw5Ce&sig=ACfU3U1BNQlMJZ7rIT9oVI0ulL5z26vljg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiBhJD9rfThAhU08-AKHaZPBOcQ6AEwE3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=Royal%20Automobile%20Club%20Treasury%20rating&f=false
so when they said ford 22 its actually meant ford 2200cc ! not 22hp...no wonder i was thinking such a large v8 producing only 22hp? cannot be!
Always a great reminder of how well engineered the products and processes were for the day.
but 22 HP V8.. that seems a little unrefined. if you took the same engine components, modernized them, added EFI you would probably get 300-400Hp.
@@jwalster9412 these were 221 cid v8 engines rated at 65 horse power ,but these were built in Dagenham England and were taxed by thr MOT based on the reduced power rating for suchpurposes..such purposes...
@@jwalster9412 give it up
@@domenicv7962 give up what?
no they were not. Manufacturer advise engine rebuild was at about every 40k miles. Would u like to rebuild your engine every 40k miles? And by rebuild i mean valve seat replacement, piston rings and many more. So sad that some people have a very short memory.
Nice video! This is a jewel for all american people. Greetings from Peru.
This is the United Kingdom . Not USA.
How wonderful it was to have a job and build something like a car. Today, that's all gone. What a waste of humanity. Those shote of the steel mill remind of my Dad. He worked hard for 35 years in the Open Hearth, where they made the steel and it poured out like a firey gold. He worked hard, he was a good man, a real man. Thanks Dad.
FEW jobs were or are harder than what your dad did
YES i agree he MUST OF BEEN quite a man
WHAT DOES ANY OF THAT HAVE TO DO WITH YOU ABUSING AND EXPLOITING HORSES.......
Someone is on the wrong page!
Someones on the wrong page.
YEA CLOWN, GO BACK TO THE HORSE ABUSE PAGE
I’m surprised that in 1938, the machining for these parts were already so accurate and fine. Look at the gearing, the teeth, the springs etc. Not much different from today.
Very, very different from today.
main difference is the cars now are lighter, comfortable, mostly aluminum, *watching your every move* , luxurious, sporty, have over 10×the HP, EFI, non leaded fuel, ABS, monocoque chassis, many electrics, Bluetooth connectivity. etc.
@@jwalster9412 I'd rather drive a 1936 than these smart BS cars any day. I used to own one. Pure pleasure.
@@domenicv7962 onion is subjective.
@@jwalster9412 I don't want a car trying to correct every move I make. 1936...cars were cars ..men were men and women were to die for. Any questions?
It would be nice to have brand new 1936 Ford today.
They looked well made, high tech back then, but the mechanics were more owner friendly for home maintenance and repair.
All those old videos always have the same nostalgic music, that can get tear up a little bit.
Had a '37 four-door Ford till my Dad discovered I had a second car. I also had a '49 Olds 88. The guy that I bought the Ford from took it back (I worked with him at the bakery - one of the three jobs that I worked each day that summer. I was 16). Only had it for a few days. We lived downtown and the parking around our house was angle parking. So it took a few days for Dad to discover..
What a time to be alive. Go to work and build something this amazing.
Mind numbingly monotonous work. A piece of you dies each day. Beware of what you wish for.....
You can see the similarities between the 1936 Ford V8, & that of the Ford Pilot that was introduced in 1947. The engine size had increased by then. Initially, though, the Pilot was to be fitted with the small 22hp 136 cubic inch engine, but was dropped & replaced with the 30 hp (3622cc) V8 engine with 85 bhp. Very few improvements were done during the V8 Pilot production run. In 1949 a bonnet (or hood) safety catch was added, & the rear axle ratio was changed from 4.11:1 to 3.73:1
The car being built is a 1937 ford v8
eld
That smaller V860 was used widely throughout Europe because of heavy taxation on larger displacement engines, with generally smaller cars and shorter distances travelled all going into wide use/acceptability.
It was WAS an option here in the 'states until...1941 maybe?...memory fails. 8
I remember the late Bert Thomas had sales brochures for the Pilot with the little 22hp V-8 even though it was never marketed. The Pilot was probably the heaviest car produced. The little V-8 would have barely pulled it along - not at all good for bank robbers!!!
I remember as a kid seeing a few of these old motors dumped around here and there in London, where I grew up. Proper old bangers! Lol.
Crazy to think that nearly a hundred years later we're still mass producing engines that follow the same design principle. Cylinders, valves, fuel and oil.
I work at a car manufacturer and we still to this day use the exact same conveyor chain system! Mad how it hasn’t changed for nearly 100 years
It's a shame the cars produced from that system are absolute shit. But that's not your fault...unless you're the engineer that designs these things to fall apart in 10-12 years despite all the advancements we'vegotten in machining precision and metallurgy.....
@@TestECull 5 - 7 лет
Henry Ford....a genius.
The Film cannot be earlier than late 1938 as it shows the E93A Ford Prefect at the end, which was introduced in October of that year. The '8' was not replaced until October 1939 by the E04A Anglia.
back when a car was hand crafted and a work of art those old Sadans are beautiful
Beautiful piece of history. Thank you! Would buy one today.
3:55 this man has done nothing else for many years but listen... his wife must have loved him
My late father had a Prefect as his first car. Given its issues they soon became known widely as the Ford Defect; some even affectionately back in the day referred to them as the Prefuct. Still, have had the best experience with Fords.
And yet the side valve 1172cc engine was among, if not the most wisely used in so many sports and trials cars of the period.
F O R D for outstanding reliablity and dependability ... fraternity of racing drivers
Amazingly; these engines are still putting around to this day. How many other automobiles cansay that?
@MassCityMadman they actually soaked the more critical parts in motor oil so they would be some what lubed before assembly..
As a automotive technician, these kind of videos fascinate the hell out of me what great feats of engineering at Ford-Fix Or Repair Daily, Found On Road Dead, or backwards DROF, Driver Returns On Foot lol
Cripes, how old are you? That was funny back when we were 8 years old.. BTW, "fix" and "repair" mean the same thing..
@@ohger1 im 46
@@ohger1 he's just a Stupid old phuck any way....
Love this and would love to have the machines they used back then
It is fascinating to see these machines when they were new, not preserved, not restored, but actually NEW.
Really a toilsome job !
Wow ... i need to dial back my time machine to 1936 to buy one of these brand new and bring it back to 2019!!
No heater... No A/C... No Blue Tooth/XM Radio... No power windows... No idiot lights... No cup holders... No door remote... No GPS... No 27" low-profiles... No "Green" technology, was equipped with an ashtray and it ran on good ol' leaded gasoline. Give that to a young Millennial and they'd loose their bowels, go into a spoiled rage and scream child abuse.
@@nigel900 still make a great car with plenty of space for batteries for electricfication...
(@fc) It was a great car as is... just a bygone era.
My first car 1936 sedan bought from elderly couple 1958 almost mint 25000 miles and ran beautiful 70 in second almost a ton in top gear some had a problem jumping out of second gear on downhill runs.
@@diamondcar2842 Wow you must be in your late 70's now!! God blessed you!
This is when American made all kinds of Steel and glass and wire something we buy from China or Taiwan or South Korea it's about time we had our own steel industry back
This is really cool!
I love their voices
que bom termos a intenet hoje em dia pra tambem testemunharmos essa historia fabulosa .
I think the best way to bring America back to the good ole days again. Is to start manufacturing these vehicles again for a relatively inexpensive price so the average consumer can purchase one. Who's with me on this? If I one the lottery I guarantee you I would invest in starting another Manufacturing plant just like this one to help create jobs and bring character back to such well made Automobiles. I think we the people can do it but enough of us need to band together to make it happen.
You could not get a single person to work in a prewar factory. They were awful--terrible wages, no breaks, no talking, dark, dangerous and had time study men who cut the allowable time to do a job to the absolute bone. Look at the stooping, lifting, smoke and dust, that spray painter without any breathing filters, climbing over things, hand tools and doing it hundreds of times a day for 12 hours, six days/week for .20 cents/hour in the early '20's but it increased to $6-7 a day. The parking lots were full of men willing to take your job if you screwed up or missed a day (Ford would call your house or send a Ford cop out to investigate if you didn't show.)
I guarantee you would not last a day!
I am with you.
@@donrougeux2122 Just the same in this land. UK. I do detest the rose tinted specs of the ignorant.
“We are never satisfied with the way that everything is done in any part of the organization; we always think it ought to be done better and that eventually it will be done better." Henry Ford, My Life and Work, 1922, p.77
@Bill WilliamsYou insult Henry Ford and slaves. Henry built Ford Motor by sheer force of will. Hundreds of thousands of people were employed. Tens of thousands quit and went on with their lives. Slaves could be whipped, tortured, maimed, chained and jailed. Anything a rich, dissatisfied car owner can do to destroy his unfaithful car (personal property) a slave owner could do to a slave. It is an insult to compare Henry Ford with a slave owner.
Henry Ford DID expect worker to work. I know this is anathema to UAW members. When you hire a hundred thousand workers, you want them to get as much work done as possible. Henry made continuous productivity improvements to the production line, decreases in cost, improvements in components increases in wages, all resulting in more benefit to the consumer. This is totally foreign to the UAW as they bitterly resent productivity improvement. Might lead to fewer workers and a less powerful union. Henry Ford’s black workers stuck with him longer than his white workers. My hat is off to them.
UAW members are just like the mafia or gang bangers. They steal from honest people who create value. A gang banger will put a gun to the head of a woman and demand the money she EARNED if she doesn’t want to be destroyed. Exactly as unions do. They LOVE their clout. You started out deciding your self-interest is with unions. You then assembled facts to prove that correct. No truth can penetrate your brain. You will believe your nonsense for the rest of your life. Henry Ford built millions of cars and the UAW extorted money from him. UAW Motors has yet to build a single car.
I was at the factory in 1984 when mama sent me to England for a holiday from Canada when I was 22 years old
Those seats are ergonomically correct, unlike those of today.
I noticed that. Beautiful seats.
Not sure what you're talking about. Today's seats have far more attention to ergonomics and comfort than back then..
Nick Motsarsky The old seat bottoms were waterfall front and rear to prevent pressure on the tailbone and the bottom of the hamstrings. The backs were convex to allow sitting with the chest out and shoulders back. Modern seats are concave, which is perfect for old folks whose backs are curving and shoulders slumping.
@@TimmyP1955 true, they look comfortable to sit while there are no motions involved. But if you drive and move especially while cornering, then you would be sliding on those seats, especially if they are leather. But yes they seem very comfortable to sit
lol ummm no
This is why Henry Ford was recognized for Manufacturing and not car invention.
Chingonnn .impresionante la forma en q ensamblaban. Todo era casi manual buenos tecnicos
We had a 1936 Ford Phaeton but sold it 2 years ago.
Ford car those v8s are Love❤ beautiful car in the world🌏
awesome film
পুরাতন ভিডিও গুলো খুব সুন্দর লাগে।
Very enervating music!
Ford Flathead engine ... great to see. Only 3 bearings at crankshaft. V8 rules !
I had a '37 tudor 85 hp--the hot rod of its day but if you had any inclination that stopping was necessary it was a good idea to begin planning the day before!!!--Until late 1938 that old mule, Henry ford, would not permit hydraulic brakes on his cars and it was a crap shoot as to which wheel would actually begin braking no matter how hard you pressed on the pedal. I turned sideways more than once! Chrysler had hydraulics in the mid 20"s. Fords also had a terrible reputation for rusting. Within two years the floor boards and the trunk bottom would be full of holes. I had to put a cross brace inside the drivers door so it wold not scrape on the running board because the bottom hinge area rotted away! The clutch was badly designed and it didn't take long for it to begin chattering and eventually reversing was hardly possible because of the terrible shaking and chattering. The enclosed driveshaft made replacement a nasty job.
It would go 76 in second gear and 82 in high-my guardian angle sure had to work overtime while I had that thing!
Dagenham Dustbins. Cheap, cheerful and****.
My mother had one of these the V8 Pilot.I was privelege to be able to use it. One journey was London to Cornwall.while in the RAF. national service 1957. It did 12to15 miles to the gallon.plus yes the brakes were really bad. But in those days it was a Great Car. I'm now I'm my 80s.drive a Lexus 450h.but still have found memories of the V8 Pilot.
The 22 is not horsepower. The original Ford V-8, introduced in 1932 produced around 65hp. I think the “22” was the model designation in Britain.
22 was the taxable horsepower (used in the UK until about 1954). In the US, this would have been called the V-8 60 (60 being the actual brake horsepower)
@@simonlane1277 - I believe there was a calculation based on cylinder bore and piston area, 'tax horsepower' in Wikipedia gives the gen. Cars were named by their tax-horsepower, hence Austin '7' (7.2 tax horsepower) and the like.
The first Ford flatheads were 60 hp.
@@robertm2663 no they were closer to 75 horse power.. You must be thinking of the V860 which came out in 1936 and was rated at 60 horse power from a 137 cid engine...
Vencal engine fantastic technology
I wonder how many of the workers in this video were shortly to serve in the military and how many of them survived WWII combat?
Шикарное видео.
just imaging the cost of a car if made by hand these days. and just imagine trying to get these skilled workers today ???????????
no chance of getting skilled workers like these, people today are mostly to fat and lazy to work.
back when men got grease under their fingernails. EPIC!
They still do.
I love my Ford v8 22😍
Awesome And Good
At 6:36 I believe those men are gas welding! Unless it's some strange old-fashioned Heliarc torch. I can't imagine doing that to every car, and the speed at which they work those seams. Kind of amazing.
samcarlson: Yes they are using acetylene for soldering some of the joints. Another man would come behind and grind it smooth. A good craftsman could do it pretty quickly.
snap!! cars used SAE flywheel/clutch housings!! i should've known
Such a great
Very cool, I did notice they didn't use any assembly oil when they were putting the motors together.
they did use motor oil or a dry graphite as a pre assembly lube back in the day...
@@markreisen7038 When my friend's father died, I helped them clean out his basement shop. I found a quart can of Molykote. I had to look it up, it's a graphite mix. I bet it's what you are talking about.
l bet street rod builders drooled🤤 from watching this video😂
Back when products communicate with the customers. Time really do change.
I watched the first few minutes thinking it must be the USA. Quite shocked to discover it was filmed in Dagenham.
I think that year V8 was Bonney and Clyde favourite car. That was the one they got shot up in which they had jùst stolen.
The car in this video was an English Ford, not an American Ford. A '36 American Ford V8 had 85hp.
Clyde Barrows favourite car was the Ford V8
That was exceptionally hard work back then; especially rubbing the body down for a smooth finish. I wonder how long a person could last on a job like that...
A lifetime
ThePaulv12 ...a short lifetime
@@Pontiacman1964 pre penecillin. Life was short and far less certain than what we were born into. Our consciousness has shifted. Then you could die from a scratch.
Beautiful ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
How cool.
Funny how the narrator is basically acting as the car trying to personify it.
Flathead was god in those days.
wondered about the HP claim as my 1933 ford truck has the 65hp v8 , up 5 hp from 1932
the “22hp” refers to an arbitrary number arrived at by mathematical equation and bears no relation to actual power output. The equation was invented by the Royal Automobile Club and effectively multiplies cylinder diameter by the number of cylinders. It was all done purely for tax reasons.
Kool
This is an English Ford, not an American Ford. In 1936 the American Ford V8 had 85hp, not 22hp. The British, not having their own domestic supply of oil, used much less powerful engines to get higher MPGs. The smallest American Ford V8 was the 60hp, and that was introduced in 1937. The Ford 60hp was dropped after 1940 and replaced with the inline 6 cylinder 90hp engine. The V8 at that time also had 90hp, but the last Ford Flathead V8, (1953), had 110hp.
The English rating is taxable horsepower. An equation using bore size to determine its taxable liability rather than number of cyls. Developed horsepower was similar.
@@kingsleysmith994; very interesting, thanks for the info.
Hoy día más moderno pero el proseso es como hoy dia
Only 3 main bearings. Engine balance had to be critical.
Up to the early 50's engines were designed to have a bearing for each two cylinders (e.g. Renault Ventoux or Chrysler Slant Six).
Then a bearing for each one cylinder became mandatory to solve balancing and achieve higher power, torque and lessen vibrations (e.g. Renault Cleon, Chrysler Hemi and the engine designs of today)
Years ago, a museum restored a Model T engine. They were astounded at how close every piston and rod weight was to each other - as close as a modern engine.
Interesting video, not sure about the audio ))
The good old days.....
wish i live in this times.
No you don't medical help was shit.
Love how its like the car is talking, How they call a car a product :(
A Ford V8 in 1936 made something on the order of 85 horsepower. That was bumped up from 60 horsepower which the original flathead made in 1932.
Neck breaking, rip your eyelids off. lol
@@willythewave The '32 Ford did not run the V8-60 engine as it was called. It had a 21 stud flathead, a totally different engine.
22 HP unbelievable from a V8.
Ford V60 engine. Looks like a 1937 model. The video is labeled wrong 136 cu. in., 60hp, 94 ft. lbs. torque.
It's NOT 22 BHP - merely the calculation used to determine Road Tax, in the UK.
Frankly I'm surprised Henry didn't have a field out back of the River Rouge with cows for the leather seats.
The first generation of these engines were prone to overheating in southern states, a result of having the exhaust gases circulate inside the block right next to the water coolant, it was said that the idea came from Henry Ford himself as he liked the engines to warm up quickly in the winters of Michigan
I have owned a lot of Ford's in my 76 years and none of them ever spoke 🙄
Bukan mobil kaleng kaleng..
There is a 1936 GM plant video online. GM seemed far more advanced than the Ford plant regarding automation, tooling, etc.
This is an English Ford plant, not an American Ford plant.
you realize this is a separate facility in the UK right?
Ford V60 engine. Looks like a 1937 model. 136 cu. in., 60hp, 94 ft. lbs. torque.
Yep RAC horsepower rating for Registration purposes based on the point 4 ,d squared .N formula made for 22 HP. Stupid formula held back development of English cars for along time.
Now we drive cars that are made of plastics…oh the humanity.
makes you wonder how these people kept away blisters on their hands!
Tuff as nails
after your teenage years the skin on your hands were as tough as a construction glove :D
they were tough, not like the lazy arsed people of today.
Bonnie and clyde memory
The later V8 was an even nicer looking car. About 1948 or so.. Our rich neighbours had one in the 5os...
Probably the
one called the "Pilot"
Was horsepower measured differently in the UK compared to the US? The US 1936 Ford V8 put out 85 horsepower. I can't imagine why Ford of England would produce a 22 horsepower V8 unless it was computed differently than the US V8. Maybe the horsepower was computed as less because of road taxes?
Even using the British taxable HP formula you would get something like 35 or 40 I think. The Model T was actually 22 taxable HP in England. So I don't think the title is correct.
It relied on the bore/stroke dimensions and taxation - and had nothing to do with "computed/projected or estimated" horsepower.
@@lesreed7943 Thanks. That makes sense that it has to be some kind of computed value for tax purposes rather than horsepower to the rear wheels.
the “22hp” refers to an arbitrary number arrived at by mathematical equation and bears no relation to actual power output. The equation was invented by the Royal Automobile Club and effectively multiplies cylinder diameter by the number of cylinders. It was all done purely for tax reasons.
@@michael931 fact of the matter is the Model T was only good for about 20 brake horse power , so the taxable road use rate would have been much lower..
Before ergonomics
No lube used during any assembly.
No oil filter.
Penny pinching Henry.
no gloves them day now you've got to wear a pair to empty a litter bin
22 hp. how can I tollorate the g force this baby is cranking out
The 22 has nothing to do with horse power. That engine produced around 65hp. The 22 is some sort of model number they used in Britain.
Just imagine, chances are nothing or no one in this video exist today.
see how they are growing nowadays
1900s they were produce 22hp v8 engine just 22hp !
Crazy stuff. A single cylinder 125cc can produce nearly much with a few mods
22 is the model they were 85bhp