Steely Dan Aja UHQR Review And Comparison With Hi Res Audio Samples
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- The Steely Dan Aja UHQR is making big waves in the audiophile vinyl community!
In this video, I have a listen to five different pressings of this audiophile classic.
The Steely Dan Aja UHQR is an all analog mastering done from a non EQ tape copy by the original mastering engineer Bernie Grundman. It is pressed at Chad Kassem's Quality Record Pressing on 200 gm Clarity Vinyl, and housed in a beautiful high gloss Stoughton gatefold jacket. All UHQR releases come in the signature dowel spine slipcase with gold embellishments and inset artwork. This edition is numbered and limited to 30,000 copies.
I have had Oswaldo Martinez of Let There Be Sound provide hi resolution audio files for two songs from each version under review. These are best downloaded and heard over your own system or with headphones. There is allso a link to a video of Black Cow playing through seamlessly from one version to the next. I hope you enjoy this shootout. I know I loved revisiting this audiophile masterpiece, with its excellent songs, musicianship and production.
Thank you to Oswaldo for hosting the first part of the shootout and for providing the OG AB and Canadian pressings. Youll find his system listed below.
Aja UHQR Files:
www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/46slij...
Aja Cisco Files
www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/qu7uv8...
Aja US AB Files
www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/pw9t6l...
Aja MFSL Files
www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/zssf66...
Aja Canadian Limited Edition Coloured Vinyl Files
www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/3gd2nt...
Oswaldo's Video AB for Black Cow:
• THE GREAT STEELY DAN A...
Let There Be Sound System:
• VPI HW-40 Anniversary Direct Drive (turntable)
• Black Goldline (moving coil cartridge)
• ModWright PH9.0T (tube phono stage)
• Herron Audio VTSP-360 ESP Reference (tube line stage)
• Prima Luna EVO 400 (tube stereo amp)
• System Audio Legend 60.2 (full range loudspeakers)
• Isotek Aquarius V5 (A/C line conditioner)
• Assorted Nordost cables
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Scott honestly, I sat down with one of my friends today and you will see this on a video that I shot while we were listening to the UHQR! I’ve never been hoodwinked into believing all this radically expensive new equipment, can eclipse a system like mine that is a very high end Vintage system! Make no mistake. I am a musician and play multiple instruments so I am very critical of my environment and my playback equipment! So when I tell you, the AB 1006 is the reference standard it is! However, when I started listening to the UHQR, there is nothing on earth like this! I am not a completionists by any measure and this is the very first UHQR I have ever bought! But because of that and that I have skin in the game I made sure to bring someone in to keep me honest, which is a lifelong friend who we worked in a record store together 45+ years ago! His reaction to this record is exactly what mine was… Mind blowing! I’ve never been a big giant fan of Chad Kassem and his FOMO push, but believe me, there’s nothing on earth that compares to this pressing!
Wow! Matt, I know you are historically not big on these big buck pressings but hearing this from you is saying a lot! I'm so glad your first one was Aja and you loved what you heard. I'll be sure to check out that video!
Even though my system (and my speakers in oarticular) are modest in comparison to Ozzys system, I was very happy to hear I got excellent results from the UHQR. I think anyone could appreciate the improvement it offered with any thoughtfully put together system. Glad to hear from you and thanks so much for your comments!
I am a musician too and getting my copy today… can’t wait to be blown away!
I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Would you come back and post a comment here?
@@ThePressingMattersSure!
@@ThePressingMattersMy copy just arrived earlier today via FedEx. What a beautiful box… before playing it on my Clearaudio Concept turntable, I always like to give it a quick clean using my ultrasonic HumminGuru record cleaner. And here I sat down at my usual listening position and magic happened! Oh boy I didn’t see that coming… better soundstage, separation of instruments, imaging … how can I go back to other records? It’s expensive I know but these guys know how to produce these incredible jaw dropping records! Get your copy today. Cheers!
Many thanks Scott & Oswaldo for the time & effort you both put into creating these soundbites. This was really helpful & considerate of you & facilitates making an informed purchasing decision of this historic artefact.
I hope so. $150 is a lot of money to gamble with. This way, you at least have a guide to its basic sound signature. I'm glad you accessed the files and enjoyed the commentary.
Thank you for taking the time to make this detailed video!
Absolutely. You're welcome. It was a pleasure.
Scott excellent review I picked up the UHQR and me and my wife listened to it Thursday night and we were blown away by the fidelity the instruments and clarity I already spun it 7 times definitely one my favorite UHQR to date . I had a chance to get a sealed Cisco and a sealed Dark Side 30 th anniversary I went for Dark Side the price was in my price range the Cisco sealed was so expensive it work out I had regrets not now . Scott love your honesty great channel.
Thank you so much my friend, it was a pleasure to work on this one! I didn't mind one bit hearing Aja dozens of times! So cool you have a partner who enjoys this aspect of your hobby. You have a gem with the Cisco too! Thanks so much for watching and staying with the channel!
Excellent review Scott and i love the fact you went into how you got the results and trying them on different systems 😁. Keep up the great work .
Hi Tony,
Thanks so much for your comment! My approach in this one was the most fascinating thing to me. I learned so much and really felt that I had covered all the bases to come to an informed conclusion. I think it just goes to show excellent software is so important, yet if you are not getting everything you expected, a little tweaking and reset is in order. In this case it was back to basics, simplifying, and digging a little deeper. If there's anything to take away from this one, aside from the excellence of the UHQR, it's to experiment with your set up, and that you don't need to throw more money at the issue. Great results can be attained on modest systems with thoughtful set up and experimentation.
Top video, Scott. Very enjoyable. My copy arrives on Thursday. All the very best, Anthony
Thank you Anthony! I believe you're in for a treat! Let me know!
Hi Scott, this was so thorough. If it was an academic piece, would not hesitate to give you an A+. Brilliant!
Aww thanks! I feared I would lose people with all the twists and turns but it turned out to be a pretty good story apparently!
Well, you make it more interesting because you tend to pivot your comparisons on a story line, which makes your content interesting; and all in less than 20mins.
What a fantastic review! I loved hearing about all the tests you did, how your system’s sound changed when you took out the sub, all of it!
Yes, you are so right to emphasize that results of comparisons or even how much someone will like a given pressing is system dependent, room dependent, and listener dependent.
I have an OG that sounds pretty great, and wasn’t leaning toward buying the UHQR, but your absolutely superb video essay has me strongly considering parting with another $150.
Then I made the mistake of watching Safe & Sound Texas Audio Excursion’s video and now I am definitely $150 poorer. But my soul is much richer.
Hi Ron!
I am so glad you found it interesting and helpful. I'm pretty sure you would love it, and honestly this is one I wouldn't want to miss. One of the more satisfying purchases I've made in some time.
Thank you for making available the files. I will use them to test my stereo system. I recently bought an 'Aja' new release. The album is not with me, for I am moving back to my former hometown where my equipment is. I hope it is a good edition.
Hey Scott, I always look forward to hearing your reviews to our beloved music. Also, I wanted to send my condolences on your recent loss. Your recent Beatles video was touching and thank you for trusting us with where you are emotionally. It means alot to me. I know from reading the comments that you are very much cared for by your family and your VC family.
I am awaiting shipment of my copy of Aja. I ordered it from the In Groove. Mike offers a hydrosonic cleaning option, which given how much I'm looking forward to the LP was a no brainer. I too have read the almost unanimous praise for this pressing. You're recommendation is the cherry on the top. Please be gentle to yourself and take whatever time you for yourself. Hugs, Johnny K.
Thank you so much Johnny, your words mean so much to me. The response has been so helpful in staying positive and feeling supported.
I will take care of myself and only post when I really have something to say. I felt these last two were important for different reasons. I know you're going to love the UHQR. It's such a joy to have this presented so well. Truly worth every penny and getting it cleaned by Mike is a good call. Come back to the comments and let us know what you think once you've heard it! Take care my friend.
You mean Ultrasonic, hydrosonic is like throwing it in the bath! 🤣😂🤣😂
Hi Scott, I've had my Debut 2 6.2s for a few months & I've been rediscovering my CDs. I'm finding some CDs now have harshness, that's been talked about for eons & others now sound perfect that were previously dull. Two perfect cases, Linda Ronstadt Simple Dreams (the preferred Barry Diament transfer) & A Decade Of Steely Dan (the preferred Roger Nichols & Bob Ludwig transfer) now shine. For CDs with harshness, as long as the transfer is not compressed, a little tone control treble cut works wonders. Aja (an early unknown transfer) & Hotel California (a WCI transfer, not the preferred Barry Diament) are good examples of treble cut goodness. Enjoy!
They are a great little speaker, talk about bang for the buck! It got pretty universal raves for its price range and above. I find it good on most any type of music, but they don't necessarily gloss over bad recordings or mastering.
Wow this video's doing really well! The people seem to love UHQR.
I don't personally want it, but you might consider doing a giveaway with your extra Aja UHQR - you could milk that on social media for 2 - 4 weeks to grow your subscriber base and it would be a good reason to tag Chad, AS, Steely Dan etc. A Christmas giveaway perhaps.
Also, all these record and equipment purchases can be considered tax write-offs, but I'm sure you're well aware of that.
I'm kinda blown away! Some combination of things really is resonating with the viewers. The thought of an another giveaway was on my mind already.
Thanks for the helpful observations!
@@ThePressingMatters I bet that if you consistently reviewed the #1 top seller on the Acoustic Sounds store you'd be guaranteed high views. The #1 sellers always have huge fan bases, Aja is an obvious example
@AndrewBell next one is in the top 10. Coming Sunday night!
@@ThePressingMatters I'm guessing John Prine or Face Value...
@@AndrewBell Nope!
I'm pretty sure that I have said this before but I think this may be your best review ever. I love the fact that you were able to put to words all the steps you took to come to your own conclusion on this record and your system. It really hit home how ones own system can effect the audiophile experience. In addition, hopefully your review will remind me and other audiophiles a clearer picture of what we should be looking for (or considering) when buying new equipment. Historically, I have seen friends of mine chase down (or maybe 'prefer' may be more accurate?) really analytical revealing systems thinking that that is what makes a great system. Other audiophile friends I have seen, use metrics, reading graphs and charts to determine (and maybe convince themselves) why that is the best way to achieve the ultimate system. Personally, I have learned in my travels that I tend to like tube ("coloured") warm systems. I tend to like all types of music, including non-audiophile records. Anyways, enough of my ranting... thanks again for taking the time to do these video Scott
Thank you Jason. This was a great experience for me going through this process. Imagine learning through trial and error, a component you already own could sound better than you imagined - by changing wire, eliminating sub and wires, and repositioning the speakers. This is what's exciting about our hobby is the tweaking to get everything just a little bit better. It's not about spending crazy amounts on the next great component. Sensible choices put together with care and maximized by placement, and attention to the room all play big into the sound and generally cost very little. I never imagined these unassuming Elacs, highly reviewed as the were, could provide just as satisfying experience as something much more costly. I now see why the reviews at the time were so ecstatic. This kind of sound for the cost is really something. Andrew Jones is an amazing designer!
@jasonhoffer9017, would agree with your comments on super, super analytical systems. That used to be me in a nutshell. While my system at that point in time was very revealing I found my listening time grew smaller and smaller each time I sat down. It was not very fun to listen to. Now I lean more towards a musical sounding system, completely all tube, and tubes do not have to be that syrupy warm sound. Much of the more modern tube gear is very balanced. I know many will argue one way or the other but a simple test a person can do is measure how long your sound system holds you in the listening seat before you get bored and get up and leave.
I've discovered this too. I have been striving to have sound that is on the warm side of neutral. Going with tubes really helped this. I want the experience of playing record after record and never being disinterested. When things were tipped the other way , I wasn't enjoying music on that level. I still am not 100% there but I'm developing an awareness of things I don't want, and can easily say no something that doesn't rock my boat, even if reviews are positive for it.
Well done. Everyone's system is different. I think most people forget this fact which you explained quite well.
Hi Richard, it's true, it can't be stressed enough. With pressings or equipment, you have to hear it in your own system!
Great video Scott I like the inclusion of the high-res files! Nice to hear somebody talk about the Elac brand! I've had the first gen UB5 & UF5 towers for about 5 years now and and are just blown away by the quality of the sound. I've recently acquired a peach tree 150 which provides plenty of power for them because they are power-hungry keep the good work!
Thank you! I think the files are valuable to give you at least an idea of the tonal differences. The little Elacs are amazing. I'd love to hear the towers and am actually looking at tower speakers right now. I was thinking of a different brand but maybe a bigger Elac might be a possibility. Do you find you need a sub with them or do they go low enough for you?
@@ThePressingMatters I don't feel they're lacking in bass at all the newer 2.0 will be able to be driven a lot easier than my Og. If your amp has 100 Watts or more I can't see a problem. I still have a couple videos up from a few years ago on my channel.
I'll check them out!
Great review, thanks for doing this video.
Thank you so much! It was a pleasure.
You always give a sober and well reasoned review and I’m very thankful to you for that. I have the UHQR but it’s my only vinyl copy. I have the Mofi CD and the Japanese SHM-SACD and the UHQR slays them both. Given your review though, I would love to hear the Cisco! Again, thanks much.
Thank you Chris,
I'm glad you enjoyed this review. Honestly you need search no further, this is it! But if you ever have the chance to hear the Cisco in your system (without buying one!) I think you'll hear what I am describing. Actually take advantage of the files in the description and if you can play them through your system. They are very accurate to the sources. Quick poll question. Would you like to see SACD reviews or mentions of the SACD within a vinyl review? I ask because I now have an SACD player and was wondering if this would be interesting.
@@ThePressingMatters I’ll be sure to listen to the files you’ve provided. Thanks!
@@chrismckee4154 If you have any trouble getting them, let me know. It can be a little confusing, even for me!
Great Review Scott!
Thanks Cameron! Great to hear from you!
The one thing that really makes these UHQR records stand out is how quiet they are. The noise floor is so low, that nothing else compares. I do not have one bit of surface noise on mine, or any other UHQR I have purchased.
I think this one is particularly good. It deserved the best and it got it!
Interesting comparisons. I downloaded the files and did a modest comparison with Black Cow. Benchmark DAC and Sennheiser HD600 headphones.
1. Cisco has an oddly boxy and muffled quality, particularly in snare drum and Fagen's vocals
2. MFSL is by far the brightest and tizziest of the lot. The gated (?) reverbs sound quite pronounced compared to all the others. Because of the treble emphasis there is a lot of characteristic vinyl distortion.
3. OG version has the loudest background rumble
4. Of all the vinyl versions the UHQR sounds most neutral and balanced despite the typical vinyl bloom in the midbass an low mids. Quite enjoyable.
5. And finally the rather obvious winner of this test is my own cd copy (ripped to flac) from the Citizen Steely Dan Box set. The sound is airy, balanced, layered and stable from start to finish.
Great observations, and I'm glad you really took time to listen carefully on quality gear. While I don't quite hear how you describe the Cisco, we are in agreement on what is likely the best vinyl version. But now I want to hear that CD!
Excited for your review, Scott!
Great! I hope you like it! It was very interesting to do.
Do you have any of these pressings? I'll be curious to know your thoughts after the video!
Looking forward to your in depth review
Great!
It was an exciting process with many discoveries!
I have the UHQR and an OG AB copy. The UHQR sounds amazing, but the AB is no slouch either and still holds it's own, perhaps even rivaling the UHQR on certain songs. I thought the AB sounded better on Black Cow when I did my own shootout. I've never heard a Cisco though, so maybe I'll give yours a shot. :)
Especially if you've got the initial pressing that was essentially a flat transfer. I've got one of the scratched-out letter pressings used to run out those first plates. Surface noise aside, it set the bar right up to when the Cisco arrived.
Thanks so much for the downloads. The Cisco file sounds best.
I think so too. This was our preference on Oswaldo's system and he made those files on the spot. Results could differ when having the records to actually play on your system, but it was a fun experiment and I'm glad you found it helpful.,
Scott:
As always great content!! That was an interesting comparison and I’ll admit it was a bit surprising too. I only have the UHQR today. Back in the day, I had the MoFi version but I sold it to a college buddy after owning it for about 2 weeks. I have a half dozen MoFi’s purchased in the 70’s and early 80’s. 4 of them had the smiley face EQ, which I hated even back then. You see I had an above average system for a college student and I hated the smiley face EQ. Several of my friends had the OG version of the LPs rereleased by MoFi. They all were floored hearing the MoFI’s on my system. Between the quiet vinyl and the deep (boomy) bass and the higher, highs that they ever heard o records before, they loved the MoFi version. To me the MoFi’s were like a carnival funhouse mirror. The OGs sounded more pleasing and natural to my ears.
Listening to your AIFF files on my system, in my room, level matched with a Radio Shack SPL meter from the 70’s: I had similar results to you. The MoFi and the Canadian yellow pressing I quickly gave up on. Nothing to be seen here. I disliked the MoFi as much as I remembered. The OG didn’t offend me, but was at least a level below the Cisco and UHQR. I would enjoy the OG as a record, but I would never trot it out as a demo record to show off my system. Overall I did like the UHQR the best, but not always to my surprise. I thought the UHQR was a bit more detailed and had higher highs and lower lows. What the Cisco had going for it was at times it had slightly greater warmth. In fact until I level matched things I would have awarded the Cisco first place. I was definitely cut hotter. I will also say none of the streamed AIFF files even came close to sound of the UHQR played on my turntable.
As for my own results, I have similar “problems” to the ones you faced with new equipment to factor in. I have made significant upgrades to the power supply for my system only 2 weeks ago. I had a 20A dedicated circuit installed for just my gear, wired with heavy 10 GA wire. To that I added some Audiophile power cords, a Power Conditioner and Audiophile outlet. Bottom line: Too many changes to know how much of the great sound was due to the record & how much was the electrical system related changes.
What I heard on my UHQR on my system: A great amount of detail with lots of space around the instruments. The musicians were in the room and the instruments were usually quite realistic sounding. There was quite a bit of impact heard on the drums and the keyboards, not to mention the sax. The sound stage for some of the backing vocals was wide and at times extended beyond the walls of my listening room. I heard fine details I have never heard on this LP before. In some cases what I thought was a sound made by one instrument was actually a blend of several instruments playing in unison. Who knew? The one negative I heard was the lead in groove had some groove rumble which disappeared just a few seconds before the music started. The runout groove was silent. The pressing was otherwise dead quiet, dead flat and dead centered. The supplied materials were all in perfect shape.
I have always tried to get the best sounding pressing I can relatively easily get of an LP. I enjoy the listening experience and endless crate digging looking for the best of the best of the best was never in my playbook. This was even true in High School and College. It is even more true particularly now that I am retired and with COVID to worry about. I used to look for used records at some selected stores and I had some LPs I be on the lookout for and will pickup if I happen to see them. So for me the UHQR certainly qualifies as the best copy I can easily get of Aja and I don't mind paying the price. Sadly, I thought this was going to be true of Pretzel Logic, which I found totally underwhelming. Based on that, I originally planned on waiting for the reviews to come in before I took the plunge on Aja. I heard a livestream with Michael Fremer where he said this pressing was the best pressing he has ever heard of Aja. Where he caught hell earlier this year for panning Pretzel Logic, Fremer had credibility with me. I found his review of the Pretzel Logic UHQR very credible because it matched my own experience. When I heard his comment bout Aja during a podcast, I immediately went online and ordered the UHQR.
This is indeed one of the two or three best sounding ROCK albums I own. I have some Jazz, Classical & Big Band titles the sound even better on my system.
Thank you so much Jim! I'll respond in detail later tonight as I am at work now, but I loved your comments. Thank you for always giving your perspective on things!
Great review. Thank you! I have a pristine Cisco test pressing. I had pre-ordered the UHQR, but decided to cancel that order a couple of months ago. I figured, how much better can the UHQR be? Do I really need to spend $150+? Well, as soon as the reviews started to come out, I rethought things and, honestly, succumbed to FOMO. Well, I am glad I did succumb.
I just got the UHQR today, having listened to side A of my Cisco last night. I did not even wait for my system to warm up before spinning the UHQR today. Even though it had been more than twelve hours since hearing the Cisco, the difference in the openness and placement of the instruments and vocals between the two was immediately apparent. After listening to the entire UHQR, I spun side B of the Cisco. In comparison, the UHQR seems more present and 3D, whereas the Cisco seems to shrink somewhat back into the speakers. That said, the Cisco is still superb, and I quickly readjusted my hearing to settle into enjoyment of the Cisco. I can't remember what you said in your review. Maybe that the Cisco is more clinical? I get that. And I still love the Cisco...won't be selling it.
Having been able to compare the two, would I buy the UHQR again? Absolutely yes. To my ear, it's superior to the Cisco and way superior to my other pressings. However, if it was not one of my favorite records and one so full of memories, I could easily be content with only the Cisco. But, obviously, I love this record; and for one who does, I think this is a must purchase.
For those who care, I received copy 4,700 of the UHQR. It was played on a Rega Planar 3 with an Apheta II MC cart and Groovetracer reference subplatter and Delrin platter with Rega external PSU. Phono pre is a HEED Quasar III. The rest is Schiit Vidar monoblocks, Schiit Freya (solid state) and JBL Studio 580 speakers.
Thank you for your comments! I'm glad you enjoyed the review. Actually I did not use the word clinical in the review. To me the Cisco has a sweeter tonal balance but is recessed a bit in comparison to the UHQR. I can absolutely enjoy either. It's was on deeper listening that the UHQR really was superior in presence, image placement etc. It's spectacular. The Cisco is a great choice in a brighter system. I think on a well balanced system in a well damped room, either with furnishings or treatments, the UHQRs strengths will make for the most engaging listening experience
In regards to the original MoFi, like everything in audio (including speakers, electronics, microphones, A/D & D/A converters, etc) they can sound very good on their own. It is when we compare one item against another that we realize it's strengths and deficiencies. I remember in the studio we compared 6 different microphones on a piano. We placed them close together so they all had the same performance. It was shocking to learn a well respected microphone was deficient in the bass. Sometimes ignorance can be bliss.
That's sometimes the case even with current day MOFI. Often good sounding without any reference, in isolation. You've got to conduct tests just like your example with the microphones.
Nice review Scott
I have always enjoyed the Cisco - the balance, warmth in the lower mid range, lots of detail.
The UHQR sounds more like the AB1006 but just pouring out more openness, detail, body. It is such an engaging experience. It exceeded my high expectations by a lot. There are some extra low level details the original could only hint at.
Glad you enjoyed it
Hi,
The Cisco is a great listen. I like it for the same reasons you mention. The UHQR is an amazing listen too, and I'm happy to have both. The only one I could surely let go of is the MFSL. Even then I hate to part with any record!
Probably the reason it sounds like that is that Bernie grundman did both of those cuts.
@@jessechristensen6028 BG probably improved his audio chain since like 30 years ago so the sound is better, plus pressing quality and vinyl
improved
The AB pressing is really good (I have at least 2 copies), but the UHQR has much more of that master tape sound than any AB press I have or have heard.
@@mcgjohn22 I felt the same. That's a great description of the sound of the UHQR. There's just more information which feels and sounds like a master tape. It's a rare thing most of us don't hear very often.
one more comment on US pressings of Aja. As many well know Aja in the US sold tons and tons of copies. Demand was so high that Aja was pressed by many of the US record plants at the time. The AA and AB pressings were mostly pressed by one of the Columbia Record Plants (Terre Haute, IN, Pitman, NJ, Santa Maria, CA). A few were pressed by Monarch Records. None of the Columbia plants were known for their high quality pressings and sonic qualities. There was an AB pressing run by the RCA Indy plant. Have never seen a copy or heard a copy, but for those folks who like to search out pressings, the RCA Indianapolis AB pressing may be a sonic jewel. The RCA Indy plant continued to press records of great sonic quality until they finally closed with the onset of CDs.
Great point! I had not thought much about her plant, but it can absolutely make a difference in SQ. I did not check that aspect of this pressing that Oz had. I know well how great an Indy pressing can be from my classical collecting my Living Stereo collection is 95 percent Indiamapolis pressings. I never imagined an Aja done there but it does make sense that there could be.
@@ThePressingMatters yes you are correct, should be a copy worth exploring. There definitely was an RCA Indy pressing of AJA that was released through the now defunct RCA record club. It was available for a number of years. This copy of AJA was pressed by RCA- Indy. RCA was a rival of Columbia so would not have sold a Columbia records pressing through the RCA club. I just have not heard a copy.
Columbia Santa Maria generally turned out very good to excellent pressings. Terre Haute was typically the worst of the three.
@@owlnswan4016Great information, thank you!
@@owlnswan4016 Perhaps, but none could hold a candle to the Indy plant.
Scott, thanks for sharing your listening experience on two different systems and environments. Thanks for sharing the files. I will have a listen later. I have the UHQR and the OG and was thinking of doing a video, but does CZcams really need another video about Aja? 😂
I've been pretty busy with some family issues, so I haven't really been on top of it, but I would imagine there's plenty of videos out there by now. Maybe you can hit it from a recording, musicians and history angle?
Bet it sounds even better on a DAC! 😮
Nice review. Interesting find you had on your system vs. your friend's. Would agree, the Cisco is really good. The UHQR has an ease about it the Cisco version does not have; has more of the high speed half track tape sound. I have the original MOFi, the AB US pressing, and a number of Japan pressings. Would agree with your thoughts on the MOFI. I used to think this was a reference pressing until I got a few of the Japan pressings. Aja was so popular in the US and Japan that several pressing companies in Japan pressed this record. Toshiba, Victor Music and Nippon Phonogram. In the US quite a few pressing plants pressed it with some variation. Would have to say the UHQR 45 is the best sounding copy I have. For those on a budget a person may want to seek out the new digital master 180 gram. I have not heard it so cannot comment on its sonics merits. The other one worth looking for is the 1st press Nippon phonogram pressing. It is considerably cheaper than the MOFI and is sonically quite a bit better. Tons and tons of all the Japan versions were pressed and are not too difficult to find.
Thank you, and your observations and experience with so many different pressings is something I love to see in the comments. I hope people down the road will reference the comments as well as the video when investigating what people thought at the time of release. Your contributions are always welcome!
Agreed Scott---quality stuff--both UHQR and your review---I wonder if all 30K copies are sold!-They should be!--JG
Hi JG,
I do wonder too. My open copy was numbered in the 4,000s (not really any true indication) but I noticed the sealed one has a sticker numbered 329!
All that aside, I do expect it to move fast, and I'm glad they got it right and have a winner on their hands. Thanks so much for your comment.
I can’t say I’m a fan of Steely Dan so I’m not too familiar with Aja, though I have listened to it. However, from these comparison tests it was immediately obvious which were the best two listening experiences for me. The Cisco and UHQR, even through my TV speakers were noticeably better although initially I thought the Canadian pressing sounded good. Great video as usual Scott and nice to have the samples to be able to compare.
Thanks for your comment Robert. I hope it encourages more people to check out the files. I can say they are absolutely truthful to the sources and different character is easily evident on almost any device. I had to test them over a phone speaker, and still heard basic character that was more fully revealed with playback over the main system! That's saying something!
@@ThePressingMatters it’s a great idea Scott and much better than someone just saying that A is better than B etc….. not that I wouldn’t believe you but you know what I mean 😄
Yes I know ;-)
I still miss quadraphonic.
Excellent review. As much as I enjoy the album I don’t intend to get Aja on UHQR. My CD copy is good enough for me. But if something like Yes - Going for the One ever got done I would jump on it. That album and others have more ear candy as far as I’m concerned. Depends on what you value most. My other issue why I can’t justify the expense is that I don’t like repeated listening of an album unless it’s classical or some jazz that I feel I need more plays to fully absorb. Otherwise I get annoyed. Once I get my fix I’m good for awhile
Thank you so much for your comment. There are some interesting mid period Yes albums coming in the Atlantic 75 series that might fit the bill. There's potential to sound just as good as many UHQRS. I'll be covering the Genesis and Yes titles in the series so hope you stay tuned!
My UHQR arrives today...
I had decided to go the SACD route because of cost, and those have rolled out painfully slow.
But Aja had to be the UHQR.
My system is modest compared to many...
A nice Thorens turntable, a '76 Marantz receiver, two monster Cerwin Vega and two killer Yamaha speakers.
For me, this suits me fine.
I do have an expensive pair of Sennheiser headphones that really help with testing pressings.
So, that's basically it for me. I'm sure I'll like this issue.
I do have an AB, and a mofi, and I've never heard the Cisco.
I kind of wish you had added the $30 digital version, too...but I've seen it said that's actually the worst sounding of them all.
Enjoyed your review.
Thank you so much for commenting. It's true getting to compare the SACD to the UHQR is impossible because of the staggered release schedule, but I bet this is going to sound wonderful on your system. I don't think you'll regret it in the least! You've got a good pressing there with the original, and the MFSL might sound nice too, but you'll see pretty quickly where each falls short, particularly the MFSL. I didn't notice it's tipped up nature for years, and it became so apparent when doing this shootout.
Please come back and let us all know what you think once you've settled in with the UHQR.
Thanks again for watching and commenting.
To me, sub-woofers are for effect and not add bass to the mix. Subs for me are best used while watching movies with sound effects. While out driving around, it's really irritating to me when some car pulls up and all you can hear is the boom-boom-boom, plus you can feel it. It kind of makes me want to go over and do some physical damage. Well, enough of my gripes.
In my home theater system, for my main front drivers, I have a pair of American Acoustics 4-way speakers. They have 12" woofers and really deliver the bass without shaking the house. That's the job of my 12", 300 watt subwoofer. With it's equalizer, I have it adjusted to the lower frequencies and the volume level set so it isn't obtrusive,except for the sound effects for videos. It is capable of rattling the house.
With my computers, the speaker systems have active sub-woofers. The desktop speakers deliver excellent highs and mids, but are useless for the bass, hence the subs. I can rattle the house with those, which my wife can attest to. It's hard to get bass out of 4" speakers.
I'm really not familiar with "Aja" so I don't have an opinion there. I usually go for albums with high Top 40 hit's. I have many Steely Dan singles, mostly mono/stereo promos. Looking, I don't have any from the "Aja" album. "Peg" is good, but I hardly remember it eventhough it hit #11 in the Top 40. "Deacon" & "Josie" only hit #19 & #26, respectively.
As far as records go, the 45 rpm speed is magical for sound. This same affect even morso created magic when a record was recorded to 15 ips R2R tape and even when the singles were recorded to 7 1/2 ips carts.
I was wondering if you had by chance read "The Master Handbook of Acoustics"? When setting up my system as with any sound reproduction components, I find that ones understanding of the rooms actual sound dynamics has to be studied so as to add gain to the deficiencies and defeat to the modal resonances. I found the chapter explaining the human ear to brain connection and the fact that evolution has geared our brains to hear frequencies that fall within the human voice range to be easier to pick out (louder). That said, an EQ is a must and Dynamic Range enhancement is a tool that used properly, can decompress most compression that comes standard with all formats. Lastly, speaker efficiency, is by far the greatest game changer of any system and can deliver the full body and nuances of the reproduction after all....... what I never heard from you or the commenters, is which if any sounded like you were in the studio at the mixing board and the sng sounded clean, crisp, subtle, attack, and live. Happy listening.......Ronnie
Hi Ronnie,
Thank you for your informative and thought provoking comment. I have not read this book but I am very keen to do so. I want to start to address the room beyond the basic parameters and I think this book would be very enlightening. Thanks for referring to it for myself and others reading this.
Your comments about missing detailed commentary are noted. It can be a challenge to get out everything you might be able to speak about in a one take video of reasonable length. I will try and expand on these things if I can in future videos.
Thanks so much for watching!
A Good REL Subwoofer, Properly set up, repeat, Properly set up, will give excellent results. It’s not just about the Bass, but the Whole presentation. 😅👍🏽🙏🏽
No doubt about that!
This is the way to do it man! Listening normally and blind, on 2 different systems and providing files covers all bases and I give you a ton props for this, bravo!
Ill be very excited to listen for myself but Im not surprised at the top two, I also prefer the Cisco over the AB original. Kevin just knows how to do it man, I wish I got his cut of this and Hotel California when it was cheaper.
Once again, tremendous effort, this is the type of comparison I value most.
Thanks so much Leon. This release deserved no less, and because my initial impressions seemed to go against the tide, I knew a deeper dive was required to be absolutely sure. I was fearing it would be tedious for most viewers but it hit the right way. I'm very pleased. I'm glad I could give the Cisco its due. Well deserved to be in such company as the UHQR.
@@ThePressingMatters Took a listen and agree the UHQR is best, it just seems slightly more open and tonaly accurate as well as the most engaging. Only question is if I can bare waiting for the standard 45s or get the UHQR now.
@@leon9021 Well, it seems there's time to consider that before it sells out. If his promise is true and the standard 45s do happen, a black vinyl version might be killer.
I'm a financially challenged music lover. When you get a neutral system "dialed in" the current offerings from Chad and mofi on wax and SACD are awesome. Most sub setups I've heard destroy time domain accuracy in the bottom end.
That was definitely the case with my sub. So glad it is out and even though I'm searching for a more full range speaker, going direct has solved that little time domain problem!
For me the most important part of a setup is Speakers. I have a pair of Tibo Audio Tower Speakers incl. x4 Speaker Cones with x2 Air Cones and x2 M-Audio Monitors, incl. the Monitors gives my sound balance compared to just a pair of Tower Speakers and I also do a lot of EQ👍🏻
Just a handy hint I EQ my desks to 4K Bladerunner on a Panasonic UB9000 4K Player👍🏻
I bought the AP SACD.
I've heard it's excellent. Certainly more affordable too!
IMO when doing a 45rpm vs 33rpm it is imperative in the comparison to not only do the first track on a side. The 45rpm will begin to separate itself on the middle and end tracks if it's a success
You are right of course and I should have made mention of Deacon Blue. In the UHQR it has its own side! It conveys the track with much better clarity and consistently great sound.
The SACD of Aja is probably coming out in early 2024.
And now I have a SACD player after years of no digital. I'm going to reference SACDs on occasion in the future. I'd certainly like to pay $35 rather than $150 lol.
I got a digital setup mainly for classical. But Aja might be a nice treat.
The problem with uhqr is once you hear a great one you'll want your whole collection to sound as good, its a slippery slope into poverty and homelessness. ☺️
Spotify sounds ok, for the amount of times i actually listen to this album its Spotify for me
It's true, this recording and pressing will spoil you for anything else. Rarely does everything come together like it did here. Songwriting, musicianship, production and now mastering and pressing that is off the charts. It's a treat to get this done so well. Thanks so much for watching!
The Canadian pressing has the channels reversed.
I always thought you had a pair of Klipsch speakers! Am I misremembering or did you have that before? Really interesting how different set ups make different pressings more preferable! Looking forward to receiving my copy.
No! I once made a video where I visited Soundlux audio (My Date With Hana) where I auditioned the Hana SL in a pair of Fortes and fell in love with them. Never heard them in my system but would love to.
UHQR all the way, using the updated transfer you put up (the wav file). It's like an improved, fuller bandwidth, more dynamic, more lifelike and refined, better version of the original release in comparison with the others here. I don't like the Cisco and sold mine years ago. I do not find it engaging. It does have a few advantages over the original, but it's too putty like and doesn't speak well enough. I also feel the low bass doesn't quite suit the music...possibly how it's eqd around 50hz, basically in how the kick drums sound in this comparison on "Black Cow" (I didn't play both songs). Whatever few advantages the Cisco may have vs the original, the UHQR has, but even better.
The UHQR is pretty much faultless. It sounds more like real music and less like a recording.
I can agree with your thoughts on it. It does have improvements in almost every aspect, and though I do find the Cisco a nice listen on some systems, on mine there was no contest. A true home run and likely to be my reissue of the year. I can't thing of one that made such a marked improvement on the original.
Wish the latest 180g 33rpm version was part of this compare.
It would have been interesting no doubt, yet I decided to work with what we had available. From all reports is a good pressing, but not in the league of the top contenders. Still there's nothing like finding out for yourself on your own system. It may be all the Aja one needs. I'm sorry I can't comment on it.
I've got the remastered CD from '99, I'm curious how it compares to the original CD pressing (was it '84?). All I have to compare it with is the "Decade of" comp CD ('85) that obviously has songs from "Aja." Not really a fan of shootouts but occasionally it helps, if only to avoid bad remasters as much as possible at least in the CD world.
- Red
I can't really comment on the CDs but I now have an SACD player in the system. I might start picking up some digital versions and will reference them in these reviews. Thank you for watching!
So what speakers are you looking at?? Due to not wanting bright sounding speakers, I know my Focal Arias are not bright all, very warm, smooth and neutral, and my UHQR sounds so amazing on them, definitely more than my AB and reissue pressing 😮👌
Great recommendation! I'll research it and see if I can hear them somewhere.
Are they going to put out a remastered version that doesnt brake the bank. I have an old copy and it sounds amazing but since i love this album i would love to have a new copy but i cant afford 150 for 1 record
Yes they will follow with $60 45s after the UHQRs are all sold out. Could be a while but it will be the same mastering.
Sweet thank you
I listened to your files of peg between the UHQR and Cisco ( and I’m listening on little head phones and paying very close attention) I prefer the UHQR over all. The Cisco at the beginning and with the vocals especially at that point are more forward. But after that I’m not that impressed. The UHQR is more dynamic and the symbols sound more like live symbols (my mom played the drums when I was growing up so I know what live drums sound like). just from first impressions I think UHQR is the way to go and significantly cheaper to boot.
Thank you for your comments on the files. I'm glad you took the time to carefully evaluate. They point the way towards what might sound best on your system. THE UHQR is super impressive in person. Good call, Jesse!
Not an absolute but that is why I prefer a vintage speaker from around the time period when analog was the standard, probably the reason nm KEF Calindas as well as the 105.1 Reference are so enjoyable and fine with a good digital recording. Also, acoustic suspension ( sealed ) were more common back then as well which invariably offers solid, accurate and controlled low frequencies. Very few speakers made today are designed without ports unfortunately. Not going to suggest there are modern speakers that do not have that sound signature but they do tend to be more analytical.
Probably why vintage gear tends to be more satisfying when records are the preference, the Luxman L 480 and Sony STD 6800 SD I use offer filters for high and low frequencies, mono / stereo switching and very good phono sections as well, in fact I do like the two phono inputs on the Sony as I use more than one turntable with it.
Almost endless combinations out there along with one's budget but once you have system components that work well together the music takes precedence. I just might purchase the UHQR Aja in the next month or so, it may possibly be the only example in the series as the cost is a bit high here in Canada and it has to be an exceptional release as well.
Forgot to mention I do have a Canadian first pressing, it is good but not exceptional. I have listened to better recordings from various labels over the last few decades, especially Direct To Disc, which I pick up on a regular basis .
@TheKyotoKid Oh sure, a direct to disc will have better resolution and more natural sound. But for a rock record they really put a lot into this recording. It's one of the best of the genre.
I'm sure you will notice a big upgrade no question. I know it's even more there in Canada and it has to be worth it to make sense. I feel this is one of the most worth of the UHQRs
If you don't want to deal with subs. Audition the Vandersteen's KĒNTO Carbons.
Hi Micheal, I'd love to have no sub, and I finally see the advantages of not having one. We'll see but I'd love to audition the Vandersteens! Thanks for the recommendation!
So i have an original (I bought back in ‘77) abc Records rainbow label with the “AB” cart he’d out and AA written in. The full mark is AA (scratch out AB) 1006(RE-3)-A -T and then something that looks like a 7. Further around the vinyl it has “T1”. At almost 50 years old it sounds fantastic on my system (Fluance 85 with acrylic platter and ortofon blue). My understanding is that the scratch out versions are pretty rare and have the same sonic quality as the AB, but would welcome any insights from experts on this channel.
Thanks for your comment! Yes the pressing you have is the same mastering as the original AB. The scratch out was done to the plate to signify a price code change, and the catalog number went to AA. These cross out pressings are great. Later ones with AA no cross out or mention of AB are inferior masterings. So you have a great copy, one that my collaborater preferred to the UHQR on his system. I could live with any of them, and I love the Cisco as well. No need to spring for a UhQR if you love the sound of the original. Many do.
@@ThePressingMatters thanks for the speedy reply! I understand the “T” is for Terre Haute where abc had a pressing plant. I’ll stick with the old vinyl, it sounds great and has the sentimental value of memories. I dont mind a pop now and then, makes it sound authentic…
I love my Cisco paid a pretty penny for it so I’ll stick with this one , don’t need anything else , but I am intrigued by the DSD SACD , DSD is where it’s at .
Hi Christian.
You've got a great pressing already and there's not a sensible reason for an upgrade. I got my Cisco when it came out so it was $30, and as such I felt ok to treat myself to another version that offers a different perspective. I'm also very interested in SACD now that I have a player in the system. Would you like to see SACD reviews on my channel?
@@ThePressingMatterssacd would depend on DAC or SACD used better quality digital end will give you better sound
@@dariuszsalamon9441 Well I wanted to revisit digital playback as it's been years if not a decade since having anything. It should be interesting to see how far it's come along since then.
@@ThePressingMatters I think that explains a lot about most VC posters. There's virtually nobody reviewing CD or SACD reissues on YT, although we're at a time where LP prices are difficult to afford. There have been some wonderful CD issues and very nice machines from the 2010's onward.
@@patbarr1351 I may start some coverage of the SACD releases of some of these albums. I'm curious myself - I'm sure others would be too
I have a high-quality system that is very revealing (300B tube SET + Horns) and I find UHQR pressings too analytical and often too bright for my taste. In my opinion, they tried to go in the direction of the hyper-analytical sound of MOFI One-Steps. The effect is you get great detail, soundstage, etc but imho you are missing the natural musicality and certain cohesiveness of the sound you get from a good AAA vinyl. I don't like this evolution so decided to cut down on UHQR. Not to mention the ridiculous pricing I get in EU.
I can see what you are saying and if you've been watching me, you probably know I dislike hyper detailed sound. I've given up on MOFI One Steps after half a dozen disappointments. I think this UHQR stays within the bounds, but just pushes the envelope enough to please everyone. It could come across to forward with a horn speaker. It's one I suggest trying before buying if you can. It's just too much money for what you might find an unplayable record.
45rpm should always be more resolving when done right.
I agree. I think in this case it was.
You’re right on Scott, the UHQR is too bright and harsh for me and I just can’t listen to it. So far for me the best Steely Dan UHQR is Can’t Buy a thrill.
Hi Micheal,
I ultimately found the UHQR highly enjoyable on my own system. On the other system I heard it on it was a bit forward. I don't agree that it's harsh. I'd love to hear Can't Buy A Thrill. Heard only positives for that one!
It is also bright and harsh on my system. I think this pressing is, as Micheal very reasonable explained, system-dependent. I'd rather pass on the UHQR than changing amps and preamps.
@@Viniland I find this so fascinating that there are such differing opinions on this one. Yet as I explained in the video, my associate found he liked the Cisco more. As for me, on his system I found the UHQR a bit more forward and incredibly detailed. I'd wasn't harsh at all but the more relaxed sound of the Cisco was more appealing. Hearing both on my system I really appreciated the UHQR much more to the point that I preferred it. I think systems differences and rooms have a lot to do with one's perception.
Why did you get rid of your Maggies? Open, transparent, huge sound stage?
I still have them. They are difficult to place in this small room. Can't get them out far from the walls. I do love Maggies
How much you want for your extra copy as I was looking at ordering a set for myself?
Hi Ron,
I might be a little crazy (aren't we all!) but I've decided to keep it. Are you in the US? Getting one directly from AS would give you exchange privileges that a private seller probably wouldn't offer on a sealed item. As it's readily available that seems like the best bet.
What 6922 variant are you running in your PH9.0?
Stock tube it shipped with. I haven't yet considered anything else. Any suggestions?
@@ThePressingMatters Nothing wrong with the ModWright supplied 6922's (JJ gold pins right?). I think I ran vintage Amprex 7308 PQ's in mine (1960's era Amprexes). I still have the tubes, but no longer have the Modwright. I sold it to buy a VAC Renaissance Phono amp from a friend.
The VAC uses a half dozen 12ax7's and unlike the PH9.0, is MM or MC for each of its 3 inputs, has balanced phono in and capacitive loading options. I run 2 tables (including one with a balanced DIN to XLR cable) with a range of cartridges, so the VAC works better in my setup.
One of my favorite overall 6922-type tubes (which are reasonably priced) are Reflector 6H23p-EB's. Those are Soviet mil-spec tubes. Both Tube Depot and Upscale Audio have stock in the $60-70/ea range.
If you have a money burning a hole in your pocket, Kevin Deal (Upscale) has a few cases of NOS 6922 Telefunkens. The real deal. I saw them when I was there 2 weekends ago.
@ChrisMag100 I find the whole subject of tube rolling fascinating and I will probably get more into it, once the main upgrades are complete. Really I am focusing on finding the right speaker for my amp and room, and then start further tweaking with tubes, line conditioners, isolation devices and some room treatment. All on a non existent budget!
$150. plus shipping is it worth it ?
That is something I can't answer absolutely but I can say you will not be disappointed in the least. It was worth it to me. See if the files can help answer any questions you might have. Thanks so much for watching!
If its not in your top 20 albums of all time, no.
@@crazyprayingmantis5596 Probably a good guide before dropping the big bucks!
What's the fuzz about this maybe good , but not very good album , do mean 1977 studio's ? One has to pay 229 Euro's for an lp , give me a break . Modern recordings , like the Jacob Collier , Gavin Harrison , The English band Frost , Sanguine Hum , sounding far better on CD than this Royal Scam ?!
It's legendary for being a top quality recording! It's great! But you have plenty of affordable choices for it, no need to get the UHQR. An original pressing will do nicely for not too much money.
Hi. I don’t like the sound of the Aja UHQR, it is shrill and harsh. It makes Donald Fagen’s voice sound harsh and unnatural. Way to go to ruin a beautiful recording.
Hi,
I know one person who preferred other versions, but he did not describe it in the way you are. He preferred the Cisco and even original for its more laid back sound. So even though the UHQR has had rare reviews from the majority, it may not be to everyone's liking. I'm pretty sensitive to shrill and harsh, in fact I detest it, and I did not get that from this pressing. We all have preferences and systems, rooms etc that differ. I appreciate your perspective, and wish your results had been more positive.
Why most people mess up a damn perfect album by releasing in stupid hires formats it just spoils the vibe of the albums. Plus the fact that you only have 20hz to 20Khz that we can hear and that diminishes as we get older. So this comparison is just a waste of time.
Thanks for your comment, though I have to disagree. Each one of h these sounds different, so there are subtleties to be heard, some which may be important to some people. The original is a near perfect record, but the UHQR, or Cisco for that matter are not 'messed up records' I don't think Donald Fagan would sign off on something that messed up his masterpiece. I'm sorry my description of the differences was a waste of your time.
i am sorry i listen to the files again and again on my headphones. to me the original us sound the best. you can hear the tape was fresh, the instruments, the space between them, wow its so great, the quiet in the background. i immediately felt calm.
for me the uhqr is a bit bright and bass gone. tape hiss its there and overall sound stage its shrink compare to the original
hi.... before doing review to a record you have to be sure at your setup. second elac speakers are not that good. for a tube amp its better to go with klipsch or similar.
Unlike you, I have the distinct advantage of having listened to Scott's system in person and I can tell you that his Elac speakers, while not perfect, are much better than you are giving them credit for.
But no doubt, with my help, we are currently working on a worthwhile loudspeaker upgrade.
great! something that made in America and not in china. maybe you can think about the FR30 of PS audio. they have 30 days of try tham@@LetThereBeSound1