Denafrips Pontus II Vs. Gustard R26 Vs. Ladder Schumann R2R DAC Sound Off! OS or NOS
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Video Timeline
0:00 Comparison
1:22 Paring Components
2:14 Music
3:12 NOS vs OS
18:34 Recommendation
20:33 Schumann Sound Sample
22:37 R26 Sound Sample
24:35 Pontus II Sound Sample
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Thank you so much for this amazing review of these DACs. A nice spread across the pricepoints and indepth descriptions of the sound signatures of the DACs, which is really helpful making a choice of equipment. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the video review , Love your passion , Your room looks great !
And that Denon is 🔥
Thank you for this comparison!🙂 For those interested - what I hear - thorugh my computer (with koss portapro headphones): I actually think the, Ladder Schuman, is more blurry, less defined and less detailed in the bass, but it has more attack in the upper frequenzies compared to Gustard R26. To my ears, the R26 compared with Schumann, has more punch in the midbass, but is softer on top, and does not have that same attack. The Pontus II, for me, is the best one here. It has the attack that the R26 lacks, and while it does not have the same "hump" in the bass as the R26 has, it has for me both a satisfying bass, and the more textured and detailed bass. I am just surprised that I am able to hear differences through youtube with my laptop and headphones. I might have a different opinion if I had the chance to listen to these live. For now, for my personal preference, I would put Denafrips in first place, and then for me, Gustard in second, and then Ladder Schumann in third. But that is me🙂 Thank you again for a fantastic review and comparison!🙂
Great comparisons with so much details. Thanks for sharing.
Really interesting and useful comparison. Thank you.
thank you for the review, your advice is excellent
Another great review Tharbamar! This is a fun hobby and you help make it even more fun. Thanks for putting up all this great content. (Have always really enjoyed your sound clips).
My pleasure!
Hello. Are there any other DACs which are dark sounding like denafrips Pontus ? Love their sound . Looking something lower priced .
@@Tharbamar Hello . I couldn’t understand clearly the reason why you recommend Gustard r 26 for Bowers & Wilkins speakers ? I have B & W 706 s2 speaker and want to decide on a DAC for them . Thanks in advance.
@@rishelbhallabhatia1672 Probably it had better synergy when I tried it but not 100% sure, it’s been a while last I used these DAC in my system, please note this video was published over a year ago, thanks
@@Tharbamar Could you suggest some warm sounding dacs to go with B & W 706 s2 as I find the sometimes bright . Thanks .
@Tharbamar Ohh man! Thanks so much! Fantastic video! You’re the first to give us this much awaited comparison, it’s truly appreciated. I want to ask you: in terms of a holographic presentation and wider soundstage, what’s your favorite of the 3 DAC’s?
Please see my review of Denafrips Pontus 2, that will be the best answer. Thank you
Thanks for this great comparison video. You could do the same comparison exercise with a Musician brand Dac, the Pegasus or the Aquarius. If CZcams offers a relative environment, proposing this type of comparison is very intelligent of you. Thank you.
great video!! love it! I have bluesound node and considering to add a DAC, I am using Audio Node Cobra amp and Sonus Faber Olimpic Nov III speakers...my music preferences are vocal, such like Diana Krall, Norah Jones....which DAC you would recommend?
Excellent, thanks!
Hi Tharbamar,
Thank you for the great review!
I have had my HAP-Z1ES for 3+ years, and like you, I really think it sounds great! That being said, I've always wondered if adding a high quality external USB DAC would be an appreciable sonic upgrade. The three dacs you tested all are highly regarded, and all cost as much or more than what I paid for my HAP-Z1ES a few years ago.
Could you give me your opinion on how the sound quality of the HAP-Z1ES, on its own (no external dac), compares with the three dacs tested? Notably, are there significant differences in sound stage, warmness, details or richness/texture of the sound?
Thank a lot in advance.
All the best,
David
This comparison comes out earlier than other reviewers so I believe it’s going to be a hit. Another great video! These 3 R2R DACs have generated lots of interests. Initially, I shortlisted Ares II, Pontus II, Ladder Schumann, Musician Pegasus and Gustard R26. After reading horror stories of the high faulty rates of Musician Pegasus, their customer service going MIA when customers emailed them and several units sent back to factory went mysteriously missing, I struck it off my list. I don’t know much about the Ladder Brand so it’s an uncertainty for me.
I went with Gustard R26. I had the R26 for 2 weeks now and it keeps getting better and better. It makes everyone of my headphones sound better. The only thing I wish they do it differently is to use the larger side of the display for the menu, have to reach for my reading glasses when I access the menu LOL. This is my end game DAC. If I ever buy another DAC, its probably just for variety because I doubt my old ears can hear better.
I may be getting a pair of speakers in the near future so the streaming functions which several R26 owners shared that streaming it produces better sound, is kind of ‘near-future proofing” for me. Would appreciate anyone who streams with the R26 to share your experiences please?
I bought speakers at the end of last year. I have a Moon cd-1 with Burr Brown and upsampling in. What I lack is the streaming from out, and I want to bring on board the TV if possible for film streaming, We also have a huge NAS library. The speakers I purchased are the KLH model 5.
@@clarice1001nights, thank you for sharing. I like the Burr Brown sounds and iFi”s implementation of it so much so that I bought the iFi Zen DAC V2, the Gryphon (which I use as a desktop DAC mostly) and the iFi Pro iCAN amp. Also, in June this year my old Sony 40” TV “retired” but I still have the Blu-ray player with old wired surround speakers. Kept the player because it can play SACD although it’s only 1080 for Blu-ray. I bought a 75” Hisense TV and the LG S95QR 9.1.5 sound bar system so I connected the Sony player for CDs. I like the classic looks of your speakers. I intend to get a pair of active speakers (size either bookshelf-type or slightly bigger but no space for floor standing) to put in my study room where my DACs, amps, headphones and my work desk are. What do you like about the KLH Model 5? The original version was introduced in the year I was born 😂. I am just reading up about the KEFs.
The Moon CD-1 plays very well, I am not sure if the lack of detail & sound stage would be bettered by an R26. Our LG soundbar in 5.1 is adequate for streaming films.
I have a dilemma. A NAS with music, and new streaming services can not be processed by the DAC in the CD-1. I could build a streamer based on a Rasberry P4 that would take care of services. I am not entirely clear if it will see the info on the NAS. If we can reach files on our network and services using either a better streamer like the one you use or the R26 would make it easier to make the decision.
What can you tell me about these things?
@@clarice1001nights I read the Roon with R26 produces superb sound.
I can tell you owning the r26 that the streaming ability is excellent in fact that's all I use it for now very clear and full sounding, I absolutely love it.
You do a great job with expressing component differences and reason for your opinions. Enjoy your Channel. I ordered ladder Schumann bases on your review for my system. What are your thought on no manual or spec sheet or manual for Ladder Schumann. Would Denafrips manual from their site be close ? It seems there is no drivers or software updates for this unit also??? Kind of concerning.
Great video and great comparison. Thanks for taking the time to do this. Two quick questions for you:
- What filter setting did you have the gustard in for the comparision (slow, mid, fast)?
- how big are the differences - are we talking small differences that seperate them my just a few per cent, or do you think these are large differences that materially seperate the units?
Thanks I only liked Mid filter setting with R26 it does significant amount of differences in sound signature.
I’m using Mid, sounds best to me.
Hello,
With the Ifi hip dac 2 and Iem, the Ladder Schumann sounded a little brighter and more precise to me, and the impact was very good.
I liked it very much and best of the 3 R2R dacs.
The R26 sounded darker, less precise and less involving compared to the Schumann, but the Schumann had the edge for me.
With the Pontus it was similar to the R26, somewhat better, also in the bass texture.
The Ladder Schumann makes a good impression, I personally think. The system was also very well chosen for it, great work.
Awesome! I’m more impressed with your work on listening to my sound samples, thanks for sharing.
@@Tharbamar No problem, I thought it was important for me personally to hear that out and it went relatively well through their good sound system.
I am still thinking about Schumann or Ares12.
If the Schumann was available in Europe, I would probably have bought it already.
Ran my Pi streamer with the Nvarcher Raspberry Pi dac hat and power filter hat outputing through I2s to the R26 I2s . I was imediatly amazed of the staging and imaging in the first day then it just got more detailed and layered going on my 2nd day. Not sure what settings I have but cannot wait to try tonight. System Polk R700 towers yamaha 3070 direct mode into power amp motiva XPA-DR3.
Hey Tharbamar, I'm still running the Loxjie D50 that you recommended months ago. Looking for a logical upgrade that will give me more dynamics while preserving a natural, balanced sound. Really allergic to anything thin and clinical. As previously mentioned I hated the Ares II for that very reason. Hate boomy and thumpy as well. Tone, balance and dynamics are the name of the game for me. Suggestions? Thanks.
D50 is still great, if you like the sound of it I would upgrade the speaker to get proper sound improvement, thanks
For the first time, I couldn't confidently feel the difference. This is definitely high-end 🙂
The Cayin RU6 USB dongle DAC is a great entry level device at $280 USD if you are curious about the R2R sound. It is well reviewed on CZcams. It held up when compared to my OG Topping D90.
I like my RU6 better than my Ares II... Looking at the R26 right now.
I own a RU6 bought used at usd 140 Use for my headphones and to power my. Integrated amp sound very good can compete with usd 2000 below dac
when i use the R26 LAN or USB I'm forced to raise the volume all the way up on
my amplifier...this is not normal....If i switch inputs to my optical
with the volume knob so high i could blow my speakers...I have the
latest USB Driver and firmware 1v4 installed...what could be wrong...Please Help
Has anyone heard of the focal alpha twin evo active studio monitors?
Was wondering if anyone would know how the monitors would pair with the gustard r26 or the x26 pro
Tharbamar Have you tried the KLH model 5 with the three? If so, how would the three stack up? I happen to own a pair of Model 5s right now. Thank you so much for letting me know about your plan to test all three.
Pontius is cleaner than the Ladder and the bass doesn't fuzz as much. The R26 has a focus similar to the Pontius, but Pontius sounds a bit more dynamic. Ladder has slam but it is a bit fuzzier. Is that what you were thinking? I would have enjoyed hearing this test on the JBLs.
The Pontus is not more dynamic than the r26, just put the r26 in Os and it’s so fast and light on its feet. Pontus is thicker and darker
@Rob K, Wait are you talking about original Pontus II or the one with upgraded board?
Because the one I have never sound dark or slow like some of you’r saying.
thank you ! Gustar seemed clearer and faster to me, but denafrips was more balanced. Scala is the least performing and most confusing
please explain what you mean by "more balanced"...thx
Pontus was a bit darker and slower for sure, not in a bad way, just different flavour
Please for the future...please just say with or without oversampling.
Without turning the nos mode on...or turn on the nos mode on...ooooffff...this makes me crazy xD.
but over all, a nice review like all the other from you👍
Hi. At mine the R26 plays in conjunction with Unison Research Unico Nuovo and Monitor Audio Silver 500 6G. I like this connection. I also had a VMV D2, it also sounded nice, but I like the R26 better. I'm wondering if I should try the A26 yet. Do you think it makes sense since I've already tested VMV D2?
Very nice!
Thanks
Love the cylindrical floor lamps. Could you please provide a link to those? Thank you! They would look great in the corners behind my speakers. Also, what microphones do you use to record your samples? Thank you for all the informative videos.
You made me watch and search for the lamps LOL
@@BillyKueekSG think I found them (or very similar at Amazon by Brightech)...Thanks.
@@rosswarren436 ahhh thanks! I don’t have space for them or I’ll get a pair of floor standing speakers. Just got curious 😂
@@BillyKueekSG it's the little things that add a lot to our listening pleasure for sure.
@Ross Warren, The one I'm using is Amumo Wello, thanks
Excellent video. I just upgraded my Emotiva XDA-2 DAC to a Gustard R26. I have large JBL horns in my system and the Gustard R26 made the horns much easier to listen to. Less brightness and more warmth in the midrange. I had to turn my REL T/9x down a couple clicks because of stronger bass from the Gustard.
Man id love to hear your system
@@ColocasiaCorm Honestly I want to downsize to a pair of Wharfedale Lintons. The horns are just too high SPL for my living room. Even with an L pad they get fatiguing quickly. I'll keep the REL, it's great.
In what mode does the R26 make the horns easier to listen to, or does it matter? JBL L200's here. Metrum Octave DAC made my system easier to listen to over a Theta and a Dodson DAC.
@@marcg.7850 The R26 has 3 PCM filters to pick from. Slow, mid and fast. Mid is recommended by Gustard for the best balance, but slow sounded best with my horns. JBL 2426H compression drivers with 2370A horns. Slow rolls back the highs for a softer sound.
I ended up adding Aperion Audio 3" aluminum ribbon super tweeters. They really made the horns calm down because they add very clean 12K and up highs that mask the harsh mid of the horns. Good room treatment helps a lot with controlling horns also.
hey , im actually restoring altec a7 cabinets , do you recommend gustard for horns?
Hi Tharbamar, Which DAC between Pontus 2 12th Ann and Gustard R26 would be the better DAC to be used with my Sonus Faber Sonetto V speakers? TIA.
Hi, Both of them are very good but R26 bass control is a bit on weak side, I would say try this too
Musician Pegasus II R2R DAC World Premiere Review & Comparison
czcams.com/video/wYD99GvUlQk/video.html
I finally got to put up the R26 against my NAD M-51 and after about 400hrs on the R26 the M-51 best the R26. Better in the imaging , soundstage is better. The R26 is damn good and would be a fine replacement for my M-51. Amplification will also be a determining factor. Using the Vincent SV 500 the two were identical. Willsenton R8 showed the true capability of both. Klipsch RP-8000f
Thanks for sharing.
I did not understand which one is better? Did you keep the Gustard?
Excellent review of these great sounding r2r dacs. My choice is either Schumann or Pontus. Where can I buy hi def of Patrick Patrikios music? Thank you & more power!
Thank you, I’m not sure if they it but please ask on his CZcams channel. Thanks
@@Tharbamar thank you!
I wanted to get the R26 to replace a Topping D90 but $200 off on the Ladder Schuman for Black Friday put it in a price range that was too good to pass up. Plus the footprint of the R26 is just too big for my space. Unfortunately the Schuman did not come with a manual so it's taking some extra time to learn the controls.
I sold the Topping D90SE and yes, the footprint of the R26 is much bigger but it’s totally worth the re-arranging of my desk and making space for it. How’s the Ladder?
@@BillyKueekSG I want to give the Schuman (Ladder as a brand does make other audio products) some time to break in before I seriously compare it to my OG Topping D90 and my Cayin RU6 USB dongle DAC. So far I like what I'm hearing. After listening to the Schuman through my Hifiman Sundara and Meze 99 Neo headphones (via my Keces E40 amp) I'm feeling compelled to upgrade to headphones (and speakers) that are way out of my budget. I did not feel that way using the D90.
@@keithjohnson2863 😂 this is something I kept reminding myself - ‘Control Billy, Control!” But I’ve failed so far. To top it all, every brand keeps producing flagships after flagships, lots of temptations. I had originally told myself I’ll only have 7 headphones at the maximum and must sell before getting a new one but am at 9 already. I sold the Sennheiser HD650 only to ,it’s it after that and bought the 6XX.
Due to the horror stories of the Pegasus, I didn’t dare to try the Ladder although it’s cheaper than the R26 as I am not technically inclined and I won’t be able to fix anything myself if any problem arises. I am the Plug-and-Play type. For example, I discovered my “talent” of opening up a phone, fixed it back after repair or change of parts but it’ll never be a phone again after that, sakes goes to other electrical appliances.
I have a R26 too and I have to say that I find the USB input indeed to lack dynamics and sounding soft. Coax is better in this record but the best sounding input by far is the LAN input. It is the input with the most life like sound performance and it is not subtle. I know that you use a Sony media player with USB out but you could try using the LAN input with a UPNP app like Mconnect ( I guess you are not a Roon user).
The LAN input is a big part of the value of the R26, it sounded better than USB output from my streamer + DDC in my system.
Great info I appreciate it, just got the dac. I don’t have roon, I’m just running USB from my pc. May have to look into roon and switch over soon. That said, I don’t find it soft, it does have a beauty and delicacy to it that I love!
+1 for R26 with Roon, and in my case HQPlayer upscaling to PCM768 & DSD512 with a Mac Mini M1, with an LHY external clock connected to the R26. Superb sound. Superior in my system to Ifi Zen Stream > U18.
I must have done something wrong. I use roon through usb and Tidal as music source or Tidal from streamer via coax. I tried Mconnect lite and didn’t care for it at all via LAN. Maybe the Lite version is inferior
@@Wharariki I have a Zen Stream with Matrix Xspdif and I agree that LAN sounds better
@@PaulClay46masonWV Not sure about inferior, but not all streaming protocols are created equal. Roon DLNA and/or HQ Player NAA work very well, suggest you trial the software of either/both so you can hear what it is capable of.
good job
Thank you for a fantastic comparison review. May ask that how the musician aquarius compares to these 3 dacs even though it is a pricier unit? I remember about a year a go you mentioned it was your reference dac. I know a year in audio is a long time as many new prodcuts are launched every year.
Aquarius is slightly more forgiving and refined but these three DACs are comparable in overall sound, it will only come down to system synergy and personal preference, thanks
@@Tharbamar i see, thanks for the reply. May i ask how does the aquarius perform vs these 3 dacs in terms of bass impact specifically? thank you
@@Tharbamar Hi, the reason i am asking quite a bit about the aquarius is because that i already own the musician monoceros pre amp. But with so many new a good dacs to choose from it gets confusing, as to whether i should buy the aquarius and pair with the monoceros. Or i sell the monoceros, and wait and research further. Gustard launching the a26 also makes it all the more confusing. From your previous review of the pisces and also other reviews of the monoceros, its seems musician really makes upstream and down stream products that nail the synergy combo that is hard to beat. I was a hoping a an experienced reviewer such as yourself could give a bit of insight.
I have a few more DAC review coming up, may be wait a bit longer because good pre amp is worth keeping, thanks
Good morning. I have an integrated amplifier and a CD transport, I would use the coaxial output what do you recommend Gustard R26 or A26. I would not make a mistake. Thanks
I can’t say for sure which one is better suited for your need in terms of synergy, as far as DAC goes A26 is more transparent and should pair well with any components.
From the sample all sound very similar with the latter, being a little dirtier, Pontus, more neutral, and r26 cleaner. But in NOS mode. Something tells me with R 26 in OS mode It will best both the other dacs. Very good performers all three of them.
Read another way, the Ladder in NOS has a sound signature that is "particular". I am a teacher and use a phrase that might be helpful. "Too much is not enough". This means only enough is enough. Too much is an acquired taste. If you like the flavor you are there.
Both the Pontus and R26 come closer to fulfilling the principle "Too much is not enough".
I believe you have a good handle on these, given you have owned two. Thanks for your insights.
These 3 DACS deserve respect. As a consumer and hobbiest, we have a responsibilty to educate ourselves. High 5 to Tharbamar.
He only shared the 3 DACs in one setting. So your observations and resulting comments are much appreciated.
@@clarice1001nights Too much is not enough applies to your comment too. And now my comments are too two much.
@@vagomaniac hahahahaha You just made my day! I really appreciated your comments. Thanks! hahahahaha
I’ve had the R26 for only a few days. Connected by LAN from switch, mac mini on network with Roon and Audirvana Studio. Passive preamp. Currently really enjoying DoP DSD256 out of Audirvana. Roon sounds good. Audirvana better to my ears.
Anyone having good results with DSD?
Dsd on my R26 sounds fantastic.
Native on Roon but I have the DSD direct off on the R26.
Have you listened to m2tech young blue with palmer power?
Let me get that Denon from ya:) love that thing.
Hello,
Could you let me know how the Pontus II dac compares with the Sony HAP Z1ES dac? Thanks!!
Hi, Sony is transparent and quiet, Pontus II is about 6db louder and a bit forward sounding, bass control is not as tight compared to Z1-ES, both enjoyable in right paring, thanks
Hi Tharbamar, which DAC is more suited to KLH Model 5? Pontus 2 or Gustard R26?
For neutral sound Pontus 2, more engaging sound R26 but I prefer paring R26 with Model 5 personally, thanks
@@Tharbamar Really? I heard your sound sample on your JBL speakers with the R26 review and it really did not impress me, had that digital chip sound to some degree, which I am very sensitive too. I have the Model 5's with the Denafrips Hades and Thallo amps running the Ares II. Thoughts?
Tharbamar, do you post on any audiophile sites, Circle. Gon, Asylum? Not a fan of posting on yt.
Anyway, there are 2 worlds here, speakers and headphones.
Hard to know what all the model numbers are in comments.
Soundstage is a biggy for me. All my previous reads indicate R26 has its qualitys but weak soundstage. Only saw a couple posts here on this. Any other speaker user comments?
Also, someone posted that a switch needs to go between router and R26, why? My BS Node 2i is direct to router via ethernet cable.
Finally, does Qobuz pair with the R26? Thanks!
awesome review!! Which one would you recommend for PMC twenty5.23i and Yamaha AS2100?
I would suggest you to try R26, thanks
@@Tharbamar thank you :) I almost decided for that DAC, my only wish is to try some tda1541 dac before, example Audial S5. Cheers!
Happy you did a comparison of all 3, you are the first to do it! Thank you!
I absolutely hated my ares 2 in my system, tilted top end and soft bass and impact, totally not worth the money to me. I picked up an r26 and it fixed all those issues along with more staging and layer and subtle details. The r26 is so fast and nimble too it’s crazy. I don’t use NOS mode though. Sounds like Pontus is crazy good for the money too!
After all the rave reviews over the last two years it finally seems that many are saying exactly what you have about the Ares II: That it is soft on bass and not very defined. Some have even said that good sigma-delta DACs sound better. Thanks for confirming that suspicion. My electrical engineer friends tell me there is nothing "special" about R2R architecture from a technical standpoint, so maybe some of it at least has been marketing hype.
@Ross Warren, Yes R2R is old tech I can build one easily but modern R2R DACs are FPGA and DSP controlled that is where it make big differences.
In the end Good transparent high performance Delta Sigma DAC most people will be going back sooner or later is my prediction.
@@rosswarren436 Maybe your friend don't know enough. I worked with some very gifted EE engineers who used to work in D/A converter projects, and they don't know jitter exist and don't care. Their work is not related to audio, that is why.
@@Tharbamar Not a chance that I go back to Delta Sigma DAC. I have two of them in my garage right now, and they sound no where close to a good R2R.
@@vicluu8026 jitter is way overblown as an audio issue. You do know that all the incoming bits to a DAC are put into a buffer and reclocked. Jitter would have to be an inordinate amount to cause buffer underflow and that, in practice never happens with good designs. So nearly ANY streamer worth a $100 bucks or so should do the job quite nicely, while the DAC does its thing to alleviate any "jitter".
The only thing a better streamer can offer is less inherent electrical noise, so yes, power supplies and isolation are where a small difference can be made if using wired USB, Toslink coaxial, or I2S connections.
Besides R2R or sigma-delta architectures have nothing much to do with jitter. If it hasn't been mitigated BEFORE it gets to the DAC chip or ladder network it won't be when output analog.
What they (my electrical engineering friends) are saying is that there is no "magic" in an R2R architecture. It is merely a different, older way, of doing things. As Tharbamar states, going forward, most DACs will likely be sigma-delta ones, hopefully with good buffers and reclocking chips in the femtosecond range of accuracy. Let's hope all this stuff gets better and cheaper as time moves on.
thanks a lot for this comparison review. I was almost blind buying R26 based on the recent hype around the DAC but after hearing the sound samples, I definitely prefer Pontus or Ladder over R26.
Well bro you are mistaken.R26 destroys Pontus 2 and Ladder! I've read many articles about that...
@@beslemeto I have read a lot too. In the end it seems to be dependent on indivoduals taste. I like sharper attacks and more cleaner note on ladder and pontus if I just judge by his sound samples
The Ladder Schumann has slam, but at the expense of being thuddy in the bass ans less precise than the other two in the mids and highs. The choice of Roon ready and price will likely influence people who want to stream without adding another device. I think R26 is very clean, but the pontiua may sound a tiny bit darker. Leaning R26.
@@clarice1001nights definitely hear the slightly darker tonality of the Pontus that you hear too! I own the r26 and it has a delicacy and beauty to the sound, it’s so light and nimble without sounding thin. I’d say go Pontus is you’re trying to tame a bright speaker and darken it a bit, but otherwise r26 sounds insane
sounds like pontus wins.but the streamer in gustard is attractive. nice to have a classical sample with these candidates.my ML 35s with amts can be harsh in the upper mids.Maybe gustard would be best??
I really recommend you to try the geshelli labs j2 akm chip with a good 12v linear power supply.
Thank you.
All very similar. All excellent!
Hi mate,
Can you advise if it is worth upgrade to R2R DAC from my loxjie D50 with significant improvement?
It would be different, some people made U-turn on R2R DAC and many not it all depending on your preference.
In this demo clearly Denafrips is the winner. Very detail and airy with big sound stage.
Schumman sound bit muddy and okay low.
Gustard has weak low and sound like in a narrow long hallway. Seem like he accidentally bump the volume lower by -2db.
I don't hear any difference, is it possible to test with grace mayha sample audio kiss of life because i can focalize my concentration on the cymbal, snare drum, kick, voice... i can take a reference and i can hear small difference with kiss of life smaple audio, i can't hear any difference with this music, i think is a bad example for me to compare dacs or audio gear or maybe the jbl speakers are better to compare i don't know the reason.
Gustard sounds best at 5v (fixed) os mid filter. For people who think it's lean need to have a proper bass shelf to get the required balance. Dropping the gustard - 5db makes its soundscape fall off, reduce the amp output (lower load)
I notice that the OS or NOS had an effect on imaging and soundstage presentation. Some recordings it was better on and some off.
Agreed, fixed mode with OS medium is easily the best setting overall!
Yep that’s the only setting I can listen with R26 too with most music.
After I read the comments and watched the video, Gustard R26 has a softer sound. I love the smoothness the r2r dac offers. However, I'm still confused about choosing Pontus or Gustard, because bass is quite important to me. I want a r2r dac that has a noticeable bass kick (slow bass that body feel the vibrates, not fast bass). Can you help me choose? Does Gustard disappoint on slow bass kicks?
Personally R26 is the Hybrid kind of sound, I wanted better bass than it can do, if you want real R2R deep rich bass quality Pontus II is purer R2R in sound but do not expect them to have quick bass kick and attack like delta sigma DACs, anyone can debate but most of them don’t really have 3-4 R2R DAC to compare them back to back, most likely they’re hyped up by paid reviews.
@@TharbamarI just went to a friend's house to test Gustard R26, I used Audeze MM500 headphones. I have tested R26 with slow med and fast filters. The three filters only feel slightly different. Gustard's bass sound is good and there is no impression of losing bass, maybe if you are too careful you will find a slight decrease in bass boom. At that time, I was comparing the sound of the sigma delta dac. My impression is that the sound of the Gustard R26 is very similar to the sound of Delta Sigma in the treble and resolution and detail, there is no significant softness in the treble sound. Where the R2R dac claims to provide a much softer treble sound, but I didn't find it in the Gustard R26. I want a r2r dac with a lot of softened treble sound, can you help me choose the r2r dac?
@@pakarasuransi8361 Please see my previous comment, thanks
@@Tharbamar The previous reply did not discuss treble sound
My impression is that the sound of the Gustard R26 is very similar to the sound of Delta Sigma in the treble and resolution and detail, there is no significant softness in the treble sound.
Where the R2R dac claims to provide a much softer treble sound, but I didn't find it in the Gustard R26. I want a r2r dac with a lot of softened treble sound, can you help me choose the r2r dac?
I was looking at the R26, but now I am considering the Pontus II 12th... Hmm...
Thank you! Nice review. I'm pretty shocked that the Gustard R26 is the softest sounding given their history and product lineup, I would have imagined it would be the brightest or most forward. After the Sound News review of the R26 where he seemed to claim it was greatest R2R DAC he had ever heard under $3500 but I think it's safe to say that may not really case here and I think I'm safe with my Pontus II which I really enjoy. I trust your ears and thanks again for the comparison!
No if you read Sandus review of the R26 he said it is the best dac he has experienced at and under $3500.00 price point .
@@marks.2909 Yeah, that was it. Yep. Thanks for clarifying!
@Sean Heisler a few things I forgot to mention is Pontus II is quietest of all, R26 power supply can get a bit noisy and when changing audio formats relay sound is very audible, Schumann DAC connecting cables can be noisy when amp is on.
Sold my Terminator II after I got the R26 - obviously given this review "your mileage might differ". Fascinating hobby we have where really the only truths are one's own gear/room/music/tastes.
@@Tharbamar yes the R26 emits a pop when you change file format and sampling rate.
Are the Denon models from Japan easily voltage switchable on the inside of the unit?
it's rated 125v on power supply.
@@Tharbamar The Japan model? It's 100v for Japan, i ask because US model is only in black and i dont like black audio gear
same with marantz only available in black around the world but champagne colored in japan. I want gold/champagne to match my accuphase gear
@KOBA it is Japan only top of the line SX series not the same one as they have for rest of the world. Very different design
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Hi love channel im down to su x or this shumen ? Would you pick shumen over su x im worried about speed with the shumen loved the su 10 and returned after your sux review few days from refund so about to order ! 😮 ❤ ty
As always sound is subjective and depends on paring. While Schumann sound is very good but there is no other features, SU-X is more flexible.
It’s tough choice, you have to decide based on your needs,thank you.
Non of this dac comes even close to r26 I'm talking about functionality like streaming and rendering also build like tank
U can use as preamp plus REMOTE!!!!!!
I had denafrips terminator plus after listening to gustard I sold it and I save ip my money!!!
The biggest sound stage I have ever heared trust me it's so involving with lots of detail Decay tamber and omg the vocal 😍 ♥️ is insanely good just give it like 2 week for burning time after you decide!!!!! Highly recommend 👌
Is it that good?Almost good as Terminator Plus or better?From the sound demo i can clearly say it has better separation than the Pontus and the Schuman.Only the bass sounds bit off to me...But just a tiny bit.
@@beslemeto trust me is that good !
Terminator plus just has more refined just by bit my friend and don't forget the price it's 3 times cheaper than terminator plus if you can just try and thanks later 👍 😊
I agree. The R26 is far far superior to these.
I owned the Pontus 2 and was demoing the Venus 2 to upgrade to. The R26 beat both easily.
@@cameronrector178 I agree with you 💯 % just functionality non of these dac come even close all of them lack of something
@@cameronrector178 Thats good news!Price is quite good as well.
I don't think I want a switchable NOS mode as I fear I'd be messing with it all the time depending on the type of music played.
@tharbamar Which one would be best with Klipsch Forte IV's -
Probably I would go with Pontus if I have same speakers, thanks
@@Tharbamar thank you!
On the samples, IMHO the Schumann sounds the best (most lifelike dynamics and coherent tone), followed closely by the Pontus (slightly skewed tone), and the R26 lags at a distance (softer, less real in dynamics).
Yes I still have Schumann. Thanks
@@Tharbamar how long for Schumann to break in. I ordered one based on your review? What manual do I use since does not come with? What comes in box at delivery?
Would you help me to Purchard the CD that you demo? Thanks
It’s not available to purchase as far as I know, thanks
I feel Ladder sounds better with your sound sample.
I have the R26 and it’s god tier. Sounds silly to say but it outperforms it’s price easily.
Yes but it can say the same for the other two as well.
I liked the R26 best a more natural laid back yet involving sound. Ladder didn't to much for me. Denafrips was clearer and crisper but I missed a foundation. Music for me has to arise from a lower frequency from which the higher vibrations arise, do it feels alive. R26 was best at that.
How are you liking the S-1ex?
Hi, it is a great speaker for most accurate sound.
Cheers
Thanks for the review. Very useful. Just to be clear, with Nos mode On, that means non oversampling active, right?
Yes
@@Tharbamar thanks fam. Surprised you prefer with Nos deactivated. I guess different pieces of kit and synergy, tastes etc
Listening on big planar headphones, the R26 seems to have the most separation and sound more dynamic. Anyone else?
i got the shumann...when is os on or of...not noticeable. no differents at all
It is very noticable in my system, especially in background noise floor is much reduced with more refinement in across the frequency.
Ladder Schumann seems to have a richer but also clearer midrange than Pontus. Agree R26 is too loose in the bass. Ladder Schumann is the overall winner here for me. Save your money folks, the cheapest Dac wins!
The cheapest one is the one I buy used. Picked up a R26 for $800 and loving it.
Что ты там услышал через CZcams?😂 Послушай r26 в живую, возможно что-то поймёшь..
@@mikeg2491how about the bass? R26 too loose in the bass?
@@pakarasuransi8361 nah the R26 has a competent bass and listening to EDM on it is a treat. I’d actually say it’s a bit too smooth in the highs than what I usually like, but I got plenty of DACs if I’m craving that detail, this is a more relax and listen dac and plays well with some of my brighter HPs like Grados.
@@mikeg2491 I just went to a friend's house to test Gustard R26, I used Audeze MM500 headphones. I have tested R26 with slow med and fast filters. The three filters only feel slightly different. Gustard's bass sound is good and there is no impression of losing bass, maybe if you are too careful you will find a slight decrease in bass boom. At that time, I was comparing the sound of the sigma delta dac. My impression is that the sound of the Gustard R26 is very similar to the sound of Delta Sigma in the treble and resolution and detail, there is no significant softness in the treble sound. Where the R2R dac claims to provide a much softer treble sound, but I didn't find it in the Gustard R26. I want a r2r dac with a lot of softened treble sound, can you help me choose the r2r dac?
20:35 for actual demos. For me Pontus, R26 and last Ladder Schumann. And with that one YT reviewer lost my trust! 😄
Hey Tharbamar!Can you review the new Tubadour 4 DAC?
May be in the future, thanks
interesting! can you please compare scene depth and instrument separation of this dacs? who is the best?
...and bring me a sandwich while you're at it.
That is the hardest thing to hear on CZcams videos for me too.
@@myu4039 🤣2
no snowing today....hmm..
Where I can purchase a flac file of "The Battle of 1066 by Patrick Patrikios" ?
Hi its only available for content creators.
@@Tharbamar I confess I'am very obsessed of this track there is no way to get a hi res version ? I have extracted it from this video but is a lossy aac ...
@@marcoluca6552 Please contact to artist youtube channel.
R26 sounded the best though my gear..
Gustard>Ladder>Denefrips
tanks my amp is mcintosh ma252 wich better for my amp ?
With Mac I would go with Pontus II or Schumann and R26 strictly in OS mode.
pontus2 dac sound is the greatest of all. but there are so many r26 fans not accepting the sound result here(reply)
Have you tried all 3?
Excellent and fair review without much hype. The R26 is good but definitely not the best under $3500. I compared my R26 with my friend's $2700 DAC and to my ears and taste, his DAC won by a wide margin in his well treated room. To be fair, my R26 only has 60 hours of burn in and will improve in time... and you all know about synergy. The R26 will be a keeper... for now.
So Which $2700 did you compare it to?
@@freakin13guy I didn't want to advertise but it is the Sonnet Morpheus, more like $2799.
I’ve a happy R26 owner for over a month now, and yes it does continue to get better with more hours. But I’ve heard good things about the Sonnet DACs, especially from Alpha Audio who are huge fans and have the Pasithea (more of a Holo May level competitor to be fair). What was the nature of the differences you observed, the character of the two DACs?
@@mannyf1288 In my opinion Morpheus will sound thicker and more tube like, but Sonnet is much more expensive!It is not $2799 now here in the UK is £3495 which is more than double the price of R26.And as people say true capability of R26 is revealed when LAN connection is used!Try R26 with lan and then compare it against Sonnet!
@@Wharariki Most prominent on the Morpheus was stage presence, a feeling that the musicians were in the room in front. Bass and tonality were better as well. My wallet is saying enough already, be happy with the R26 which is pretty good anyway even in my untreated 14x18 room.
What was your preference in your system?
please see 17:35 for detail answer.
@@Tharbamar Thanks I dont know how I missed that. Is the Aquarius still your reference?
@Neil K Nope I’m waiting for higher end DAC with ROHM chip, thanks
Great review. Which DAC did you like with Musician audio Knight 1? Thanks
ladder schumann was horrible. so may issues. went with A26 gustard. awesome perfomer.
I'd love to hear how each of them compares in a blind test to Topping e50 which is a very recommended entry level DAC that costs only a small fraction of what you have to pay for each of these 3.
I compared the Topping D90SE and A90 amp and the R26 with the same A90 amp, the R26 is the clear winner with everyone of my headphones. The D90SE is sold already.
I only have Denafrips' entry level Ares II for R2R and even that one still beats Topping E50 which I still keep as a backup -- in sound stage, texture etc.
I have the E50 and the R26. I also had the SMSL VMV D2 for a couple of weeks before the R26 arrived but have since returned it. The SMSL was in a different class, a big jump over the E50. Greater dynamics, bass weight, soundstaging. A smoother, sweeter treble. Everything just sounded more full bodied and natural, vocals especially. E50 was comparatively light and a little thin, with an edge to the sound that was fatiguing through my revealing speakers. Using the Gustard U18 DDC with the E50 helped quite a bit, but then it also further improved the resolution and dynamics of the SMSL. The R26 was clearly audibly superior to the SMSL from first listen and has further improved in the month I’ve had it. The R26 has a more dynamic sound, with great energy and tempo (more foot tapping than the SMSL), with more air and sparkle in the treble and overall resolution. I realised the smooth top end of the SMSL though pleasant was at the cost of some of the detail and vitality. And then there’s the R26’s great timbre, vocals and instruments just sound so much more believable, almost like they’re in your room. TL;DR - the R26 is a superb DAC that is a level above the very good SMSL D2 and in a completely different league to the E50. You get what you pay for and then some with the R26.
@@Wharariki Do you mind telling if any of your findings are a blind test comparison outcomes? I mean, no offence but one could argue that you are simply biased and are tyring to justify your excessive spendings.
@@justonemoregshock Hah, no worries I wondered if you'd follow up with that question. No not blind. No need nor interest in doing so. The differences were not subtle. Some other things I've changed have made marginal differences, but not these DAC changes, in my system. With the E50 and my then new Focal speakers the sound was bright, thin and harsh. A poor match probably but I had a month of serious buyers remorse with the speakers which weren't cheap. It was a relief when the SMSL arrived and even more so with the R26. Not trying to convince you, just passing on my experience, suggest you have a listen for yourself. There's no substitute for that.
Let me add btw that I also got and still use the Topping PA5 which is amazing. Blew away more expensive amps and a Denon receiver many times the price.
@tharbamar : Exhausting hearing "nos mode on" and "nos mode off" again and again and again... Suggestion: Early in the video establish that you will be referring to either "not oversampling" or "oversampling" and never mention the words "on", "off", or "mode" again.
Абсолютно никакой разницы я не услышал.Все примерно одинаково.Характер звука акустических систем все усреднил и показал кто в комнате хозяин)
Pontus wins.
I think you should firstly upgrade the amp, you cant review different equipment using a very colored amplifier. In my experience every single thing I put under the devices produce a profound shift in terms of sound quality and yet you are using 3 different footers for each device and room acoustics is non existent. You are describing what you hear under those circumstances and people should be aware of them.
Nah you just don’t know the amp, how about whisper walls?
Tharbamar, not all of the DACs on this planet are compared based on their OS/NOS capabilities....Such a binary comparison doesn't really help you or anyone else.
As a matter of fact, if you watch Wave Theory's DAC reviews (you should) you'd know by now that NOS (might) come in handy with extremly high sampling rates ONLY.
It's like you're comparing current top-notch mirrorless cameras based on the megapixels of their sensors ONLY...C'mon man, you should know better than that....
Well, I can compare whatever I want because in the end what matters is what we hear, so move along.
Edit: for the camera I use A7R IV because resolution matters.
everybody interpret it differently😅😂
R2R Decks are no good if they sound better in over sampling
R26 est un peu mou
Mind games
World champion in choosing the worst and the least defining music for the test
Best Comment of all time! Thanks
Only people with low IQ wouldn’t know something called COPYRIGHT.
@Tharbamar only people with lowest iq can try to search other vids on CZcams to find many people using well known music without any problems
@@pz1036 Well hard to argue with low IQ ones but try to see who is claiming the rights in their video description.
@Tharbamar afraid of claiming the rights? Poor child🤧
Какой бас у r26, рыхлый..?😂