Controversial thought… maybe you’re it’s just user error? Because the devs have said many times, this game will never be a pay to win game. All guns are pretty balanced, and if you can finish missions on bots with the tools provided, maybe you should stick to bugs since they can’t shoot back? 😮 not even trying to be mean, just tired of everyone complaining about the game instead of enjoying it. It crashes, it’s buggy, it’s not perfect, okay? Go play COD? Go play destiny 2 or fallout 4 like everyone else. It’s a fun game, you’re not meant to be unstoppable. It’s a skill based game, not a “meta” based game.
"Now it takes the Eruptor multiple shots to kill things at the same rate as the Jar-5" Arrowhead Balance Team: "Thank you so much for your feedback, we hear your voices and we have nerfed the Jar-5"
I will remember you one thing - everyone hated Dominator on release. And it wasn't about damage, it was about how sluggish it is. Now after it got damage buff everyone's praising it😂 That's how far gone we are
honestly a better way to go. release garbage and fix it a week later so people are like "oh damn this gun is good now? what a pleasant surprise!" (and then nerf it into the ground because people like it)
@@supremecaffeine2633 if you can call them buffs. The nerds are heavy with removing 1/3 mag cap, lowering damage and increasing recoil for example and the buffs barely do anything with gun A gets 3% damage increase if it's a sunday and you are actively doing the hula.
The Tenderizer is a « high caliber weapon » with reduced magazine capacity for that reason. Liberator: I didn’t know I was part of that high caliber gang… No no no wait Alexus, god, no! Don’t nerf my magazine size!
This is the first Warbond I am not getting. I wanted to live out my Starship Troopers fantasy with the Tenderizer (that was also advertised as being mostly colored BLACK) and I expected at least medium pen with it, but it is just a worse Liberator. That Alexus guy needs to be fired & the CEO needs to take steps to bring fun back into the game, because it just isn't "fun" anymore..
That sounds inconsistent. I killed one after it emerged from the hole with less than half the magazine, and a second one with slightly over half. I've had nothing but good things to say about the SMG since I got my hands on it, it keeps berserkers at bay and I don't have to stun a devastator if I can just keep the shield up and kill it. Rocket devs are another beast, though, but they're always gonna be a pain in the ass. Besides the grenade, rest of the warbond is kinda disappointing, but it doesn't really bother me. Payday 2 has like 50 guns that all do the same thing for each weapon archetype, part of it is just preference at that point. Probably worth noting I didn't spend money on this and bought it with found credits.
The thing with Stalkers is that their face hitbox is kind of weird. If you hit just the right place they die faster (but good luck landing those shots consistently with how twitchy some of their animations and movements are).
This is was my thought exactly, either they just forgot they buffed the stock Liberator or the gun was finalized before the patch that buffed the Lib. I even saw people mention that it WAS a previous test version we got, hence the green coloring instead of black. Which is just hilarious to think might actually be the reason it's the way it is.
Also doesn't have the same mag supply tweaks that other guns got in the last patch, seems like they stat this weapon out a while back and haven't looked at it since.
This is the first Warbond I am not getting. I wanted to live out my Starship Troopers fantasy with the Tenderizer (that was also advertised as being mostly colored BLACK) and I expected at least medium pen with it, but it is just a worse Liberator. That Alexus guy needs to be fired & the CEO needs to take steps to bring fun back into the game, because it just isn't "fun" anymore.
These are supposed to be 'Arctic Armors' yet there isn't an additional perk that stops you from sliding on ice and sinks less on snow. There are more important things they could do than weapon balancing.
Here's an idea. They REALLY need to add melee. Go forward with the idea of armour sets built for specific biomes, faster through snow, mud, , maybe fire resist or chem immune after some more and better gas weapons, what have you, whatever etc. Muscle enhancer keeps the standard buff but ADDS huge melee dmg. I think that would be cool. I dunno.
@@rkt1148 i also think that's a whole system which takes a great amount of planning and adjustments made across the board. they can not just implement melee and if they do it will be a very basic form thats just essentially an increases in damage and a new animation. the enemies currently aren't all designed to work well with melee to begin with so you'll def be waiting quite awhile. TLDR not soon and more work than you think for melee.
I think the changes they made to the liberators and the marksman rifles have been good. I think nerfing the breaker was good. I think taking away ammo from the eruptor was good (I love that gun). Overall, I think a lot of the weapons changes have mostly been good. The most recent eruptor changes are bad, and what they did to the slugger doesn't make sense. It's not all bad, but these new guns just make no sense.
@@BrutalHamlet the issue is, instead of incentivising the use of other weapons through reloads or calldown time (like the ceo is saying), the balance team are nerfing what people like. Or buffing enemies so the playstyles people like dont work anymore like general bot accuracy and headshot buff after shield gen nerf, stalker explosion resistance nerfing all explosive weapons, hulk stagger buff nerfing all stagger effects like arc thrower. Flame thrower buff (thankfully walked back) insta killing players, etc. Also they need to do that 40 damage buff on the raingun.
I like what you said “lots of options, but little choice.” We are almost certainly given the illusion of choice here. And not only that, but it’s as if they’re offering us several cuts of steak. We pick the medium rare steak “sorry you can’t eat that, it has pink” they proceed to cook it until it’s burnt. Then we take the medium well “uh oh, a few of those still have pink” they burn those too. Now we are left with a couple medium well steaks with no pink, and a good portion of well done and burnt steaks that nobody wants to eat. Don’t invite your players to a barbecue, and serve them only well done steak and pretend like that’s variety. Maybe I want some chicken, or sausages. Or heck, I’d take fruits and vegetables at this point. But I only get burnt or unburnt steak.
its a better liberator in my opinion. Problem is, that the liberator is bad(my opinion, some folks like the lib) it has slight better handling wich makes it more accurate. But you also need to be more accurate becuase you have less ammo, but i think it's still a slight improvment over the lib
@@lachskartoffel It's only better than the Liberator if you have spaghetti arms and can't handle its recoil. Once you learn to control the spray and tap targets at long range, the Liberator is statistically superior in both magazine capacity and DPS (since the tendy actually has a slightly lower fire rate).
@@BackwardsPancake it has more total mag 315 vs 350. It still kills brood with one mag like Liberator even though it has less ammo, kills nurse faster. Likely more penetration. It is only worse if you compare paper data. Just like Xbox has more flops, and yet PS5 performs better.
I played with the SMG and Assault Rifle and it's honestly mind-boggling that they released an assault rifle that is objectively worse than your starting default weapon. Absolutely shocking level of incompetence for a veteran game studio.
@@Steir12 They made 5 games over 13 years, all published by well-established publishers, 4 of which were multi-platform: Magicka Showdown Effect that gauntlet remake I forgot the name probably just Gauntlet HD HD2 That makes them a veteran studio. What would you call them, an indie studio?
New Warbond is trash! The Tenderizer is worse than assault rifle we started with in the game.The Pummeler is worse than the other smg we've had since the game came out too. All these new guns are useless. They need to fire Alexus and the rest of their balancing team honestly. Watch them nerf the decent primaries in order to make these guns seem viable
This is the first Warbond I am not getting. I wanted to live out my Starship Troopers fantasy with the Tenderizer (that was also advertised as being mostly colored BLACK) and I expected at least medium pen with it, but it is just a worse Liberator. That Alexus guy needs to be fired & the CEO needs to take steps to bring fun back into the game, because it just isn't "fun" anymore...
Hate to say it but I'm starting to think that not having to buy super credits to get war bonds is starting to make the devs have a lack of incentive to make better ones. Which is unfortunate because it's so nice having a game that allowed all players to unlock war bonds just by playing long enough.
@@Wongsquaredwell look at this stalemate. We have 2 sides to choose from (and it's painfully sad): 1. Devs are using regular battle-pass system that requires you to spend real money 2. Devs are allowing you to farm "premium currency" Seems obvious to choose option 2. But in option 1 devs probably have much more money to have a bigger team of devs/testers and to make much better 3d models/effects Second option devs like AH aren't dependant on players THAT MUCH. So they push their "vision", ignore players' feedback and test new weapons/missions with a small team for a shorter time.
Someone on reddit showed that the Tenderizer is literally just an old version of the Liberator, it uses the old ammo system where you have 10 mags and a supply pack gives you 5 mags. Its not only a straight downgrade to the current liberator in every stat (except 5 recoil) but its just a copy paste of an older starting weapon. Very creative arrowhead.
DEI brainrot moment, it started with “Misty” and will bleed into the rest of the company unfortunately. It’s gotten to the point their CMs are falsely accusing detractors of sexual assault, deranged.
I see why pilestedt was unsure about releasing this warbond and wanted to delay it. After all the outrage about nerfing weapons releasing 3 mid to bad tier weapons 2 days after would make the situation so much worse. tbh im worried for AH
But now that he felt like delaying it and saw the overwhelmingly negative reception, it is gonna be a wake up call for him. I assume he won't release the next war bond so soon....and there will be changes in the balancing process.
Exactly, this is another example why they should stop releasing monthly warbonds and start overhauling the existing arsenal, maybe add some mod options, like bigger mags, scopes etc. too.
Yeah I feel like these Warbonds don't evolve over time. Like 90% of the stuff are being recycled and repackaged into a "more advanced" weapon. This leads me to believe that warbonds are already predetermined before the launch.
The delay said nothing about balancing, though. The delay was a question of where the release would be tone deaf to the Sony situation. The weapons would've released in the exact same state, but later.
i like how the two first armors are just black and white reskins of each other, really shows how creative arrowhead is and how much variety they want to implement.
At this point, one has to think that the people working in balancing, especially lead balancing Alexus(the same lead balancing Alexus who was in charge of balancing for Hello Neighbor 2), are purposefully trying to tank this game based on jealousy or something else. Unless you are brain-damaged, there is no way these weapons should have been released in this state. For those that don't know, Hello Neighbor 2 was a really fun game about sneaking into your neighbor's house. You could hide under the bed, trick him, and do a lot of fun things. This is a very crude description, but you get the point. When Alexus got a hold of Hello Neighbor 2, he took away hiding under bed, took away fun tricks, made the game terrible. The game obviously tanked, and now this scumbag showed up as lead balance dev for Helldivers 2. If he is not removed, Helldivers 2 will be a cautionary tale about how if your lead balance dev runs rampant, he can singlehandedly destroy your game. He's had multiple chances to make things right, but all he's done is dig his heels in and embarrass himself every time he spoke by responding with nonsense. Eruptor nerf for example, he claims no breakpoints were changed. Clearly brain damaged as it only takes 2 minutes to prove that is wildly incorrect. Takes 3-4 shots where it only took 1 previously. No one asked him to nerf Eruptor, yet here we are. He is either acting with malicious intent, or is a complete idiot. Remove Alexus, give his job to the lowest of interns, and I can guarantee you the game would improve exponentially.
@@BoglinZilla Exactly, the armor passives are just default shit that's already in the game, they could have at least came up with something related to snow maps
At this point they should stop making warbonds for three months and have a team dedicated to bug fixing, while the other team focuses on making brand new passives and fixing the stupid weapon design choices. The Spear for instance has been bugged for so long (even though they promised that end of this month, it’s finally good to go) that I suspect they only tried it in a virtual white box/blank dev testing room with no environment and hordes blocking line of sight, with enemies T posing and staying still, that in this condition the weapon worked perfectly as intended. But not in the actual levels we are currently playing. That’s just an example.
Ima be honest...I love Helldivers 2, I've put 265 hours in it in two months and now...I'm not really even playing anymore. I got bored. I've called them out for their poor balancing and poor implementation of new ideas and warbounds and got hate in the past but now here we are again. I feel like they missed the mark with basically avery single warbound released, and especially with content updates. They had an amazing opportunity to keep us engaged after the massive push of the community to defeat the Automatons and that was the perfect window to develope the story further and release the Illuminates, but instead they just brought them back like nothing mattered. Also, they leaked many future content, many of which has yet to drop...it was cool at first because we thought we would see those things very soon, but instead we're still waiting on the new mech, the vehicles, the Commando, the Nuke, the Carpet Bomb, AA airstrike and so on....a lot of weird decisions from the management team in my opinion.
There's a difference between leak and datamine. Most of the stuff that's not in the game atm is stuff that isn't necessarily ready. Now is it not ready because it's not polished enough, or is it not ready because AH doesn't think it's their idea of fun is anyones guess.
Yeah, right now for the past 2 weeks I've been in the same boat, I'm around 366 hours total and I just do not want to play anymore, they blew their load too soon and they made way too many mistakes and keep making more mistakes with their horrible balancing. Every bit of content that they release is not fun to play with or is for about 2 weeks then gets nerfed into the center of the earth. There is literally nothing to look forward to anymore, Destiny 2 was boring after a while but at least there was stuff to do. This game has the same missions every single time, the same 2 factions to play against for going on 3 months now and again the weapons are bad, and a lot of the stratagems are also bad or just not useful enough plus, very limited slots to use, 4 is just not enough. I hope that they can turn this around but at this point... I don't think that they can, they seem far too full of themselves and they have far too many echo chambers and zealots who tell them everything is fine.
This Warbond is dog shit… they missed the mark so hard. The name “Polar Patriots” makes you think, “oh maybe the new armor has new perks, like allowing the cleats/ice spikes to negate blizzard slow, or stops you from sliding on ice”. Nope. Maybe the new weapons are good? Nope. Tenderizer is just a worse Liberator, the Pummeler has stun, and is cool, so that’s DEFINITELY getting nerfed. The final gun is just a worse Scorcher. What a fail, the “balancing” dev needs a new job.
6:31 When I watched the trailer for this warbond, I was so sure that the armors would have a passive to walk easily through all terrains. They have spikes on the boot. And then, nothing.
@@BoglinZilla You know what would totally make sense with this theme? all weapons being LASER weapons. They are naturally buffed when played on cold planets because they take more time to overheat in the game. That would make sense. Imagine if the laser weapons from helldivers 1 were here now: Tanto (1 handed gun) and the epic Trident (laser shotgun).
@@KerriganTyranid I've been wanting a laser minigun as a strategem and a laser sniper rifle like from Terminator 1 for quite a while. It's baffling that there's no minigun whatsoever in this game
Another important issue to note is that there's like this psychological dread to committing hours and money into new content for this game. I had 100+ hours since launch and loved it, but now find myself making excuses to not play. I would chalk this up to just being a personal thing, but my entire squad group feels the same way. When there's no guarantee the game will feel and play the way you enjoy from one week to the next because of regressive balancing, people simply move on and interest wanes... you said it best - this is how a game dies in slow motion.
This is exactly how it feels, I can only play on weekends so every week I come back to see things I liked nerfed or enemies buffed. Players shouldn’t feel dread every time they hear about an incoming patch.
That's fair. My group is still having a blast each time we drop. Luckily there are a ton of fantastic games our right now that would better deserve you time. Gamers are eating good again!
Same feeling as you, picked myself up last night to join the boys on a raise the flag level 7 mission. Game crashed at 3 extraction 39 mins into a game. Yay.
The game has lost a lot fun for me and my friend grp, and I noticed we were playing a lot less even with new content coming - All the loadouts my friends used to enjoy got nerfed to oblivion Instead of making underwhelming weapon better, they made good weapon underwhelming (so we just end up with less variety). The game is still easy as a 4man grp even on diff 9, we just get less tool to play with, - Solo playing has become exhausting with the patrol changes that still doesn't seem to work the way they intended it to (as we are getting 4man grp patrol timer, regardless of the number of players - when it used to be a different timer before depending on player count, this was tested by Luchs and has a YT video about it) I really hope they bring back the railgun and the quasar, so we can have a lot of multiple loadouts, even at higher difficulties : amr/any backpack, autocannon, quasar/any backpack, railgun/any backpack + better primaries. The railgun was supposed a high risk high reward weapon, but it's just a weapon that can kill you while doing less damage than the AMR or the Autocannon anyway. All the nerfs are narrowing down the tool we can use, when players just want variety and replayability - being gaslighted about it by the devs on discord is beyond obnoxious.
It feels like their vision was maybe one dude making it out or most of the time difficulty 9 just being horrendously brutal and wiping teams 75% of the time and because it isn't like that they're trying to make the game harder....by removing loadouts that actually work well.
I genuinely don't understand how the FIFTH warbond still has light armor primaries... who is this for? Massive ammo capacity is mandatory as the tradeoff for doing no damage against 75% of the enemies, yet we got another very low mag size AR. Why? No more light armor primaries unless they're heads and shoulders above the ones we currently have.
They're already suffering from realizing that their current practice involves developing 36 new weapons and armor sets every year consistently Its not at all sustainable, they need to change their philosophy
Im so stumped by this games balancing team. The verdict is a straight downgrade to the senator IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. How does this even pass quality testing? Whats even the point of it?!
Yeah, a lot of these weapons are just... not good, in any reasonable capacity. The best thing out of this warbond for me is the Incendiary Impact Grenade. A grenade stole the show from 3 new armors and weapons. That should not happen.
That's kinda apples to oranges to be fair... The Verdict can dump rounds WAY faster than the Senator, reloads quicker, and lets you carry way more bullets overall. It isn't the same niche as the Senator, it's not really fair to compare them like that. It more closely competes with Peacemaker and Redeemer, which are both for handling light targets. In that niche, its actually really solid.
It has more rounds, reloads faster all the time, shoots twice as fast and one taps chaff including warriors. It's not meant to fill the same role. It's fine.
I'm with ya brotha, just glad the CEO see's we aren't having fun and plans on talking to the balancing team, dudes the only one who plays the game it feels
Literally the only reason I want to grind this warbond. It’s for the electric guitar victory pose and the CW-Kodiak helmet. I don’t care about the rest.
Yeah mostly because of the cool looking set. But tbf, they released an event more cool looking one in the superstore with finally some sort of camo pattern on it, about time for a game with a lore that pretends to be militaristic. That said it’s a heavy armor and the warbond itself seems like it’s more geared towards bots (well except for the damn assault rifle). Problem: we are currently focusing massively on terminids.
Right? Kodiak armour is no better than the light armour from the last set. Rifle is garbage. Grenade might be OK for bugs, gonna try the pistol out tonight, hopefully there's something worthwhile in this bond eh... 😢
I think polar patriot should have Light/Medium/Heavy armor with the passives "Snowshoes: Movement in deep snow is increased" and ""Winter Camoflauge: Decreases range at which you can be detected in the snow." Like they're minimum contrast gear for a snowy environment. It only makes sense that they could, for example, have wider shoe bases to spread your weight out, preventing you from sinking so deeply into the snow if it's meant for SNOW combat, and if they're all white colors to blend in, then it makes sense for it to be harder for enemies to spot you and lower their chase/leash radius. It would also be a distinct buff specifically for snow environments so it wouldn't overlap with the general reduction of the scout armor.
When you compared the jar5 dominator to the eruptor, something else you should keep in mind is that the jar5 dominator technically has twice the amount of damage the eruptor does and its magazine. I'd love to understand how that's balanced, especially after the Nerf to the Eruptor
It is ironic, at the time where the game is set and the technology we have and the weapons are garbage, humans already have advanced technology in the game, we travel at warp speed.
Booster doesn't work against bug spore exploder things on the ground or the little green guys that spit at you. Definitely a bit of a miss. Guess they should've delayed it...
Frankly, it's also a borderline placebo against the things it does work for. The hunter/spewer slow is extremely annoying since it messes with how your character handles, but it's usually not even that deadly if you know how to dive out of it and when to stim. Most of the time what actually kills you is hunters stagger-locking you with a melee combo, or the spewers one-shotting you with the spray because you didn't see them or dove in the wrong direction.
Just playing devil's advocate here, but the description itself says it won't work for "area effects" IE the spore bombs or EMS strikes. Not sure why the scav spewers get to do their own thing, however..
6:53 tbh I completely agree, maybe something like Winter warrior passive: 1.Snow doesn’t slow you down as much 2. Enemies detection range decreased by 40%( blending in snow) Alternatives passives: 1. better accuracy (you don’t shiver when cold) 2. have better grip on ice (spikes on shoes) 3. Run faster and slide farther after diving on ice (spikes on shoes again) 4. Better incendiary damage ( put hand warmers in the guns(AH love fire damage))
"A lot of options but very little choice" is a fantastic, FANTASTIC way of summarizing the direction that Helldivers 2 is going. We've gotten 3 extra warbonds to expand the number of things we can choose, but every one of them seems to have resulted in narrowing down the ones we can actually use if we want to have a good time.
That would imply Alexus is capable of buffing weapons which is great, he probably never worked on R6S with Ubisoft. But jokes aside, they can clearly do things good on first try (Grenade Pistol, Dominator, Scorcher, Autocanon, Arc Thrower almost, EAT, Laser Canon, Eagle Strikes). The other side of the coin is that Alexus is also capable of ruining the Eruptor, Crossbow, Railgun and normal Breaker.
Their warbond release method is interesting. One mid functional weapon and the rest is bollocks. Then wait a week and the functional weapon will be nerfed. It’s hardly anything to look forward to.
@@crackededge9351 And the buff will look like the one for the beam weapons. 350 instead of 300 dps, like that is anywhere near the average damage of the other weapons.
2:42 Not sure about headshots, but bodyshots with the Pummeller do stun devastators. Berserkers for sure; I pushed back berserker swarms with it in my first test of it. However not every shot seems to stagger them or the other devastators, more like a 50% chance to stagger and it does nothing if it deflects off the armor. It might take 2 or 3 bodyshots to stagger which, for a low ROF weapon like the Pummeller, can be kind of annoying. But it absolutely does stagger them.
It feels like weve gotten zero content in almost 2 months tbh. Like we got the airburst and this new warbond, but both of those seem so useless that i dont even bother using them so the game feels like its had no update for weeks
We've gotten several stratagems, weapons and new enemy and mission types. I get that the 2 most recent warbonds have been a letdown (partly due to nerfs and partly to the weapons being underwhelming out of the gate), but let's not exaggerate the issue and start acting like it's the end of Helldivers 2. Unless you meant the last 2 weeks, which is still a fairly short timeframe.
@@mattimartikainen4383 The last warbond was fine, im talking after its release. We got: Increased factory strider spawns (they were already in the game) Raise the flag mission (Already was in the game) Airburst launcher (Unfun and very bad imo) 2 new missions (the defense one is actually alright, but the deactivate tcs one isnt very unique or creative) New warbond (Every weapon is a direct downgrade and copy of already existing ones, while the grenade is a carbon copy of an already existing grenade and the booster is just a worse muscle enhancement) 1 new biome (the acid worlds are alright but its just another open field, nothing really new) New Armors (Which all have recycled passives, literally zero new passives since cutting edge, a lot of them r just recolor too lol) Can you see why it feels dry? Most of it recycled content or just bad
@@mattimartikainen4383content wise what we have gotten in the last 2 months tho? Air burst rocket, quasar & a few mid weapons aside from the grenade pistol & the eruptor which is also now mid. Oh yay we got 2 new enemy types added into the game. So much new content ! New mission types? That means I can go kill bugs in a different context & it’s considered new content ! I wouldn’t call a few new weapons “content” . New enemy additions to the factions is great not all that game changing. Realistically speaking we haven’t gotten much new content
@@catodes1295 Bruh, that's because fire damage got 2 buffs during the time that DoT damage didn't work at all if you weren't host, and the fire weapons themselves got buffs during this time as well. All this was during the time that fire DoT straight up didn't work for 3/4 of every lobby, so they're super overbuffed now that fire DoT works, and EVERYONE knows that they're going to nerf fire soon.
@@xon0930 Uh, yeah, I know? And yes, it's obviously gonna get nerfed. It's too easy mowing down entire swarms with all the Incendiary weaponry in the game rn
@@catodes1295 fire does not even dmg bile titans what game are you even playing? and railcannon one shots them if you scratch them with anything else but have fun with that 4miunet cooldown
I understand that the decision to nerf the breaker was probably made to diversify the gameplay, but considering the number of guns available now, if they were all balanced, we could possibly have the breaker's ammo capacity restored. It's the only shotgun I enjoy using apart from the incendiary shotgun.
Snow themed armor that can walk through snow and not slip on ice. Deagle that can function as a one-handed weapon, but goes akimbo when not carrying a shield or SSSD. A heavy AR that lives somewhere between the basic ARs and the MG support weapon. These are things that would have been cool and new. Instead we got more of the same. I'm actually baffled that aside from the arc armors, we have gotten no new armor passives. We have now had 3 premium war bonds added to the game, but only one new, extremely niche armor passive added. A damage resistance passive that only protects us from ourselves as there are no enemies that use electric weapons, lmao.
Even before the Snoy screw up I stopped playing Helldivers since April 22 due to the Nerfs alone. Every time I see a new weapon in a video at work and plan to work my way towards it on my day off I see another video showing it got nerfed to the ground before I could get it.
PSA TO ALL SOLO PLAYERS: The Redditor gergination, the guy responsible for the amazing post and video that analyzed how patrol spawns work, has released a new video showcasing that patrol spawn rates are the same regardless of group size across all difficulties. This change was made with the recent patch that affected patrol spawns for non-full groups. As it stands in the game, a solo player on helldive will experience the same amount of patrols spawning as a full team on helldive. Not sure if I can link another video on CZcams, but the video showing this is titled "Patch 1.000.300 Patrol Changes - Helldivers 2" and it was uploaded by the channel Luchs. As a solo player, seeing this shit felt so validating and infuriating.
I hate how the devs say we can’t have transmogs on armor yet continue to add armor that is exactly the same. Kodiak armor is exactly the same as democratic detonation heavy, light armor is the same as the default light armor from the first war bond, there’s only like 5 perks in the game. How can you not allow players to just pick the perk for the 3 classes of armor when the armor is literally only cosmetic as it currently stands
A light bullet is still a light bullet, regardless of how powerful the powder gets in it. That's the reason everyone's not carrying around heavy-shredding machine guns, is because the ammo has to be bulky and absolutely bloody heavy. That's why it's reserved for support weapons, as nobody can carry around enough heavy piercing ammo to also fight a horde at the same time, unless they were a supersoldier in a powered exoskeleton like Master Chief (and even then it's a question of how to store all that gear in a way that can be easily accessed for reloading)
frankly, heavy armor is for support weapons, not for primaries or secondaries. If there's a primary that can kill heavy armor, then it has to be very clunky to use.... like eruptor was supposed to be.
Ever since the sickle was released I’ve never used another weapon. There’s just no point. Decent damage, unlimited ammo if you use it right, good rate of fire, good crowd control. Damn near 95% of all the guns blow
The devs are slowly killing their game. The warbonds bring nothing new, the past 3 have had (at best) one good gun. Every update adds more and more bugs, but instead of slowing down to fix them, they keep releasing more content, and more bugs. The balance is terrible, and it seems like they don’t even tests their game (new ship modules simply not working, at all). Players seem caught up in the whole “finally a good live service game” to realize that at this rate there will be 2 usable primaries, and the game will be nigh unplayable.
The problem I have is there’s no creativity, I think that premium weapons shouldn’t be stronger, but instead be interesting. The issue is that all the weapons feel like free weapons that have no special mechanics. This is an ice themed warbond and yet the only thing ice themed is the armors are white
Cutting edge and steeled veterans are the only warbond worth having right now. Jar 5 dominator, fire damage breaker, stun grenade, sickle and plasma punisher.
@@user-yv1bf4rx7rehhh for bugs impact grenade is the go to for me and stun grenade for the automatons but yeah I see some value in that pistol still don’t thinks it’s worth it tho
You’d think with the recent community issues around balancing, this would have been a decent drop. But one thing I thought of is, I work in game dev, future content for live can be in progress several months ahead of release date, although it seems to be tighter at Arrowhead. I think my point is the community feedback probably hasn’t affected this release. Hopefully better to come, along with patches for previous Warbonds.
I agree that one-shotting chargers with an eruptor is excessive. With that said, the "exploit" was that players were unintentionally consistently doing more damage with the eruptor due to more shrapnel hitting the charger belly. My question is, how the hell did they not think players would do that? Of course a larger target area would mean more shrapnel hits, so of course players would aim at the bottom of a charger's fat ass. And the fix for this was to replace the "random" 100 shrapnel with a consistent 40 damage explosion, which sounds good on paper if the eruptor only exploded into a single bit of shrapnel. It doesn't, yet the balance team somehow thinks a single 40 damage is *better* than a cluster of 100 damage shrapnel. That's like saying you're buffing a shotgun's pellet consistency by replacing it with a pistol. Whoever's in charge of the game's balance team needs to sit down and ask themselves what they're actually doing. edit: Also, the only major buff patch I can think of that really shifted opinion on a weapon, to the point where I see it constantly, is the Jar-5 buff. You know, the one where they nerfed the slugger, then buffed the Jar-5 to basically be a better slugger?
They clearly don't play their game which is sad, excuse me you just have to test out for 5 minutes to check that all the warbond is an absolute trash. They really need to do something about this, this is no longer bearable , you had a chance to shine after that sony drama now you are just helldiving yourself
If they do play, it's like level 4, because they seem to have no idea how it plays at higher levels. They seem to not understand that the game plays a bit different every level and higher levels are completely different than lower/mid levels.
They do play their game, but the problem is that the lead balancing dev is the same guy who basically took Hello Neighbor 2 to the ground via terrible balancing. Literally time anybody found something fun, he'd step on it, and he's apparently also the guy who objected against the idea of hiding under/inside objects in a stealth game.
I've completely lost interest for the game and all respect for Arrowhead after this patch. Match stability is worse than ever to top it off. People are crashing mid match constantly
@@grigorigovno2020 Odds are that when they had that massive hiring wave, he snuck in and didn't bother to reveal his past history, only showing them that he was good with coding. They were kinda in big need of people to help them keep up with everything, after all. At least, that's my interpretation of how it happened.
I still firmly believe what I've been saying since the start of this game: there needs to be less updates. They clearly can't handle so many updates so often, and while it's good we get content, it's weighed down heavily by most of it being bad. They need way more downtime between stuff than they currently do. They need to catch up on all of the bugs and crashes and actually making shit fun or useful.
0:18 I don’t want to “pay to win” but for the love of god please let me pay more money to have more fun. When this game was released it was the most fun co-op shooter since the early days of Overwatch, and now I feel like I’m paying extra just to push bugs around the map with premium explosive brooms. THE GAME SHOULD HAVE ACTUAL PROGRESSION (EVEN PAST LEVEL 25) WHERE YOU UNLOCK MORE POWERFUL PRIMARY AND SECONDARY WEAPONS AS YOU PLAY THE GAME, THIS IS EXTREMELY NORMAL AND NOT PAY-TO-WIN.
AH Balance Team: "We hear you. We'll will be buffing more weapons in the Polar Patriots war bond to have medium armor pen." Also AH Balance Team two seconds later: "To prevent players one tapping Wilburs from across the map, we've given Wilburs heavy armor to preserve the integrity of the game."
@@Dead1yProductions Give it a few days and they will be. AH balance team loves to give you miniscule buffs that change almost nothing then mega buff enemies in the same patch.
« In order to compensate the fact that the Tenderizer is medium pen now and cannot be an Adjudicator, it will now have its damage reduced to 40 to become slightly more powerful than the Liberator Pen. Otherwise yes sir, it means it’s nerfed. »
"forced"? Some of the best guns are in the base warbond. They've already accomplished the goal of not making this game pay-to-win. Give me reason to earn these newer warbonds, please.
If they make the warbond too good people will complain it’s pay to win. If it sucks people say they’re getting ripped off. They won’t win no matter what they do.
Remember, we need to get rid of the Alexus Kravchenko guy. He single-handedly destroyed his last game and is clearly antagonistic towards those who disagree with him. He will ruin this game and the CEO is a lovely guy but he needs to take a stronger stand against people like him and “Misty”
The new booster is the epitome of "create a problem, sell the solution". Everyone's been complaining about the overuse of slow effects that are ruining the feel of the game, so naturally AH does nothing to fix that and instead creates a bandaid that makes those effects slightly less awful.
Except it's more of a placebo than actual solution. Honestly, all boosters in general fall into that definition, especially those that are impactful like having full supplies on spawn or more stamina. They are bandaid solutions to problems that could have been solved by dealing with reasons in the first place.
The slowing effects wouldn’t be nearly as bad if AH allowed us to just use stims while full health to negate effects or replenish stamina, or remove the whole popping a stim in the middle of a fight but the game doesn’t actually activate it
What’s crazy is they haven’t even pumped out any content. All these major orders/new missions and stratagems were almost guaranteed to have been made before the game released because you couldn’t make all that fast enough if it was on the fly. Also with them saying before launch we’d get 1 warbond per month you’d have to think that at least a few of the premium ones were already made. Hell the planets are even procedurally generated
What's even more funny is that the 'problems' are just numbers you can tweak. No new line of code whatsoever. I've done my own 'balance patch' in Warcraft 3 melee, and I don't know jack shit about coding.
Still my biggest gripe of the last 2 warbonds has been that there's no new armor passive. It's such an under-utilized system and when you have such a strong theme like Polar Patriots you GOTTA give us something cool to work with. Movespeed in snow, no slide on ice, no fire rate reduction on cold planets... hell make it so snowballs do damage or stagger/stun. I trust they'll eventually get around to buffing the weapons but I really do hope they find the time to spice up armor passives eventually.
Regarding the Eagle pistol, the starting sidearm has a higher (DPS) and a faster reload time. The developers seem to be afraid of being accused of creating a pay-to-win game, even though I can easily earn enough in-game credits to purchase two Warbonds without having to grind for them directly.
It's only gotten better with age, at first I would say it was worth it just for the Sickle and stun grenade, but now the Plasma Punisher is really solid and the Arc Blitzer is at least a fun novelty, only weapon that's truly still meh in that Warbond is the laser pistol. Honestly the first two warbonds have only gotten better and better, while the recent ones just don't give good value.
@@ZephyrKitten742I would probably actually use the laser pistol if it didn't overheat so god damn fast. It already does less damage why can't it just shoot for as long as the scythe. Ugh
Weapons have a lot of hidden stats that players can't access for some reason, i suspect it does have its differences with liberator although both guns are very bottom of mid tier.
@@Steir12 Liberator is slept on vs bots. Most people don't know how to use it, thinking it can accomodate cod-brain run and gun style. Lib pen or tenderizer are actually garbage in comparison
the game is absolutely fried. Stopped playing a month ago it was not ready to release (the game head literally admitted that several times) and what was working they decided to make not work anymore it was a good effort, it really was, but the game is done, I and many others are moving on
I was really holding out hope for the Purifier. Given the charge up and fire rate you would expect it to be a heavy hitter like the eruptor (even in its current nerfed state). But it does almost the same damage as a single scorcher shot!? When factoring in fire rate that's like 30% of the DPS of the scorcher. It's unusable! WHO is making the decisions about how powerful these weapons should be?
I think they really need to deploy that Hive Lord or new enemy faction soon to spice things up again. I honestly haven't been too bothered with the weapon buff/nerf status thing, but rather, I actually just want to start seeing new enemy content...
I would love to see some new longer linear campaign style operations. Where there is some persistent bonuses for completing missions within the operation. This would spice things up and give us more reason to complete operations rather than just pick favorite missions.
@@Annihilo See, that's a great idea. For example, if one mission gives the completion bonus of "Every player for the rest of the operation may summon 1 mech per landing" or "Additional airstrike options added to all players", stuff like that, would give new decision making in the order of completing them in the operation. And this will be a very easy add to the game too without too much extra work
Regarding SMG + Shield: One handed weapons have two more uses. You can fire them behind you while running and you can carry the SSSD and still use your primary. If people want that, this might be for them. But I agree that it needs to do something that the defender isn't doing already.
Devs are definitely lost in the sauce with balancing. I think they're forgetting that the game needs to be FUN for people to continue playing. My entire friend group lost interest like 2 months ago because bots were too ridiculous and majority of weapons were pretty lame. Maybe I'll get them to check back in a year to see where the game's at. Too many other fun games to play especially as a group instead of getting frustrated in this game
What's the point in releasing guns in a paid warbond if they're gonna be esentially worse variations of already existing guns? When I heard that it was winter themed I thought it would have an ice thrower or an ice grenade along unique passives for the armors. To think that we're gonna have to wait an entire month to see if there's gonna be interesting new guns and all
Yeah I loved the eruptor, used to oneshot stalkers and made it a lot easier when they were chasing you, but now it takes about 3 ish shots to take one down and saying they are generally attacking you in groups and the long wait between shots it feels terrible compared to pre-nerf.
Pummeler and impact incendiary are the only things worth mentioning imo. Still, id rather use the punisher and stun grenades. Back to V-rising he goes. Smart.
Enjoying very much your videos OhDough! Thanks so much for getting up on the fence and speaking out about the poor balancing of weapons/stratagems in Helldivers II. I hope the developers get their act together soon. Peace.
"Resistant to winter environmental effects slowing the helldiver's movement" + "Shoot faster in colder environments." (From memory they slow F.R) OR + " faster cooling/reload on weapons" the idea is your body is warm enough to not be influenced by the cold or the obstacles so your reload is slightly faster. Maybe no more than 10% or 15%.
And even with that it’s worth noting that the impact incendiary is a direct sidegrade from the regular incendiary grenade, which is in an overall better warbond
Quote: "Stopping power is the ability of a weapon - typically a ranged weapon such as a firearm - to cause a target (human or animal) to be incapacitated or immobilized." To me, that would translate to a staggering effect in Helldivers 2, not damage output.
How are they gonna add an AR that has the exact same stats as the liberator with less ammo? What a joke!! Thing needs at least 80 damage or give it medium armor pen
I was thinking the exact same idea. I love some of the weapons in this game. I also love the visuals and have favorites. I also don't want the devs to nerf the weapons that I use, so I feel like I can't ever congratulate the devs for making any weapon in the game and say that it feels really good because the devs might hear that praise and nerf/ruin any weapon that I find enjoyable.
I think the main difference between the demolition warbond and the polar, is that no matter how over or underpowered they might have become...the demolition warbond at least has the 'concepts' of potentially interesting weapons, while the polar weapons are just mostly very obvious as to what they would become. Demolition had a DMR that could flick over to full-auto, a sniper rifle for a primary weapon, but it also had explosive ammo, and a crossbow, again, with explosive ammo. Oh, and almost forgot, a grenade pistol that we "hoped" would be another way of dealing with bug-holes/fabs. Theres a lot of ways those weapons could be really cool or really lame, but the "potential" for those concepts makes them fun to speculate. Now for the polar set? A "high caliber" rifle right after they converted the Adjudicator to being essentially a high caliber rifle. A concussive SMG, when nobody uses the concussive weapons nor the SMGs, so why would anyone use this. The pistol just looked like it would either be a "side-grade" or lower caliber version of the revolver. And finally, the only weapon with potential--a weapon that seems to be a mix of the Eruptor, Scorcher, Punisher Plasma, and the Arcthrower (I actually thought it was going to be single-shot reloads, kinda like the Railgun, but obviously have WAY higher damage than what we seemed to have gotten). The incindiary impact grenade is an example of a weapon we 'want', but is an example of the weapon having "no imagination" that could be applied to it. We knew exactly how it would work the moment it was mentioned--which is 'fine' once you get the weapon, but not so great when the rest of the pack is lacking imagination too.
Controversial thought… maybe you’re it’s just user error? Because the devs have said many times, this game will never be a pay to win game. All guns are pretty balanced, and if you can finish missions on bots with the tools provided, maybe you should stick to bugs since they can’t shoot back? 😮 not even trying to be mean, just tired of everyone complaining about the game instead of enjoying it. It crashes, it’s buggy, it’s not perfect, okay? Go play COD? Go play destiny 2 or fallout 4 like everyone else. It’s a fun game, you’re not meant to be unstoppable. It’s a skill based game, not a “meta” based game.
what are you even saying? re-read what you wrote and let me know how any of it applies to this vid or my other vids.
Delusional
This is either bait, or an actual child. Disregard, friends
Did you have a stroke while trying to write?
Because holy shit it looks like it
your delulu
"Now it takes the Eruptor multiple shots to kill things at the same rate as the Jar-5"
Arrowhead Balance Team: "Thank you so much for your feedback, we hear your voices and we have nerfed the Jar-5"
Yeah💀
Not my Jar-5 don't you jinx this for me lol
They already nerfed its damage from 300 to 275
Now they nerf to no armor penetration
Just like the spray and pray
I will remember you one thing - everyone hated Dominator on release. And it wasn't about damage, it was about how sluggish it is.
Now after it got damage buff everyone's praising it😂
That's how far gone we are
The way I see it, the new Warbond is pre-nerfed to save us the effort of liking a gun then having to give it up when it's inevitably nerfed.
honestly a better way to go. release garbage and fix it a week later so people are like "oh damn this gun is good now? what a pleasant surprise!"
(and then nerf it into the ground because people like it)
@@Jman0163except that they dont buff weapons.
Only nerf until everything is equally shit. As all things should be.
Now that is what I call optimization. Bravo arrowhead
@@CallMeKevan Are you blind? For every nerf there's at least three buffs.
@@supremecaffeine2633 if you can call them buffs.
The nerds are heavy with removing 1/3 mag cap, lowering damage and increasing recoil for example and the buffs barely do anything with gun A gets 3% damage increase if it's a sunday and you are actively doing the hula.
The Tenderizer is a « high caliber weapon » with reduced magazine capacity for that reason.
Liberator: I didn’t know I was part of that high caliber gang… No no no wait Alexus, god, no! Don’t nerf my magazine size!
lmao
This is the first Warbond I am not getting. I wanted to live out my Starship Troopers fantasy with the Tenderizer (that was also advertised as being mostly colored BLACK) and I expected at least medium pen with it, but it is just a worse Liberator. That Alexus guy needs to be fired & the CEO needs to take steps to bring fun back into the game, because it just isn't "fun" anymore..
I saw a post saying “FYI: the smg stun locks stalkers!”
Indeed. It did stun lock ONE stalker. It also took the entire magazine to kill it.
yeee. I saw someone take 3 clips to kill 4 stalkers
3 mags? Hey not bad! It takes me 10 mags with a Liberator Pen.
That sounds inconsistent. I killed one after it emerged from the hole with less than half the magazine, and a second one with slightly over half. I've had nothing but good things to say about the SMG since I got my hands on it, it keeps berserkers at bay and I don't have to stun a devastator if I can just keep the shield up and kill it. Rocket devs are another beast, though, but they're always gonna be a pain in the ass.
Besides the grenade, rest of the warbond is kinda disappointing, but it doesn't really bother me. Payday 2 has like 50 guns that all do the same thing for each weapon archetype, part of it is just preference at that point.
Probably worth noting I didn't spend money on this and bought it with found credits.
stalkers are just straight up op in general
The thing with Stalkers is that their face hitbox is kind of weird. If you hit just the right place they die faster (but good luck landing those shots consistently with how twitchy some of their animations and movements are).
Lmao they prolly forgot they buffed the liberator to have the same damage stat as the tenderizer.
This is was my thought exactly, either they just forgot they buffed the stock Liberator or the gun was finalized before the patch that buffed the Lib. I even saw people mention that it WAS a previous test version we got, hence the green coloring instead of black. Which is just hilarious to think might actually be the reason it's the way it is.
Also doesn't have the same mag supply tweaks that other guns got in the last patch, seems like they stat this weapon out a while back and haven't looked at it since.
They actually buffed it to do more 😂
Allegedly they are a small team, but feels like they have whole departments not communicating with each other lol
Liberator nerf incoming
alexus couldn't balance himself on the toilet if he tried
Alexus the kinda guy that who takes his nachos back for too much cheese
Hes the same guy that killed hello neighbor 2. Thought it was notable.
Nor his credit card bills
😂
Someone please fire Alexus already, ffs.
...a winter themed Warbond and the armor doesn't do anything for the snow? What in the fuck are they thinking?
Even funnier that one of the new armors released in super store for this warbond is meant for "Snow combat" but is literally fucking tan 😅😅😅😅
Dare I ask what it's perk is?
@@Faxanadu_ 💀 heat resistance
jk i dunno.
@@fatwheat1 I mean not to defend it but tan is a common winter colour, you can see the russian inspiration
This is the first Warbond I am not getting. I wanted to live out my Starship Troopers fantasy with the Tenderizer (that was also advertised as being mostly colored BLACK) and I expected at least medium pen with it, but it is just a worse Liberator. That Alexus guy needs to be fired & the CEO needs to take steps to bring fun back into the game, because it just isn't "fun" anymore.
These are supposed to be 'Arctic Armors' yet there isn't an additional perk that stops you from sliding on ice and sinks less on snow. There are more important things they could do than weapon balancing.
That's the warbond theme not passive😂
@@bingbong8464 don't be the idiot
1:28
You just killed muscle enhancement. Rip.
Will be dead next patch.
Here's an idea. They REALLY need to add melee. Go forward with the idea of armour sets built for specific biomes, faster through snow, mud, , maybe fire resist or chem immune after some more and better gas weapons, what have you, whatever etc.
Muscle enhancer keeps the standard buff but ADDS huge melee dmg.
I think that would be cool. I dunno.
@@rkt1148 i also think that's a whole system which takes a great amount of planning and adjustments made across the board. they can not just implement melee and if they do it will be a very basic form thats just essentially an increases in damage and a new animation. the enemies currently aren't all designed to work well with melee to begin with so you'll def be waiting quite awhile. TLDR not soon and more work than you think for melee.
@@rkt1148 You can already melee. Press F on your keyboard by default. I do like your thought about the armours though.
No muscle enhancement is for terrain.
@@rupertbear4447real melee. Give me a sword and shield
Arrowhead needs to seriously work on how they balance, and set weapon values.
we can not, have Wilburs one shot.
Yea, they're fumbling hard. Seems like fun isn't the priority for them.
Did you think of that all by yourself or are you just agreeing with this clown because you sub to him?
I think the changes they made to the liberators and the marksman rifles have been good. I think nerfing the breaker was good. I think taking away ammo from the eruptor was good (I love that gun). Overall, I think a lot of the weapons changes have mostly been good. The most recent eruptor changes are bad, and what they did to the slugger doesn't make sense. It's not all bad, but these new guns just make no sense.
@@BrutalHamlet the issue is, instead of incentivising the use of other weapons through reloads or calldown time (like the ceo is saying), the balance team are nerfing what people like. Or buffing enemies so the playstyles people like dont work anymore like general bot accuracy and headshot buff after shield gen nerf, stalker explosion resistance nerfing all explosive weapons, hulk stagger buff nerfing all stagger effects like arc thrower. Flame thrower buff (thankfully walked back) insta killing players, etc.
Also they need to do that 40 damage buff on the raingun.
“We looked at the data and none of the weapons show a high chance of mission success…. But they are popular so we are nerfing them”-Arrowhead
I like what you said “lots of options, but little choice.”
We are almost certainly given the illusion of choice here. And not only that, but it’s as if they’re offering us several cuts of steak. We pick the medium rare steak “sorry you can’t eat that, it has pink” they proceed to cook it until it’s burnt. Then we take the medium well “uh oh, a few of those still have pink” they burn those too. Now we are left with a couple medium well steaks with no pink, and a good portion of well done and burnt steaks that nobody wants to eat.
Don’t invite your players to a barbecue, and serve them only well done steak and pretend like that’s variety. Maybe I want some chicken, or sausages. Or heck, I’d take fruits and vegetables at this point. But I only get burnt or unburnt steak.
This needs to be pinned. What a great analogy.
Literally what reason is there to pick Tenderizer? They're releasing premium weapons pre-nerfed bro 😭
done pre ordered the nerfs 😭 🙏
its a better liberator in my opinion. Problem is, that the liberator is bad(my opinion, some folks like the lib) it has slight better handling wich makes it more accurate. But you also need to be more accurate becuase you have less ammo, but i think it's still a slight improvment over the lib
@@lachskartoffel It's only better than the Liberator if you have spaghetti arms and can't handle its recoil. Once you learn to control the spray and tap targets at long range, the Liberator is statistically superior in both magazine capacity and DPS (since the tendy actually has a slightly lower fire rate).
@@lachskartoffelLiberator for people with skill issues you mean
@@BackwardsPancake it has more total mag 315 vs 350. It still kills brood with one mag like Liberator even though it has less ammo, kills nurse faster.
Likely more penetration. It is only worse if you compare paper data. Just like Xbox has more flops, and yet PS5 performs better.
I played with the SMG and Assault Rifle and it's honestly mind-boggling that they released an assault rifle that is objectively worse than your starting default weapon. Absolutely shocking level of incompetence for a veteran game studio.
They made like 2,5 games what veteran are you talking about?
Veteran as in prior military experience.
@@Steir12 They made 5 games over 13 years, all published by well-established publishers, 4 of which were multi-platform:
Magicka
Showdown Effect
that gauntlet remake I forgot the name probably just Gauntlet
HD
HD2
That makes them a veteran studio. What would you call them, an indie studio?
@@ThatOliveMrT Is that the only definition of "veteran" they taught you.
I know you didn't ask but I play planetside 2 and it's weird seeing another game practice the method of the default gun being the best gun
New Warbond is trash! The Tenderizer is worse than assault rifle we started with in the game.The Pummeler is worse than the other smg we've had since the game came out too. All these new guns are useless. They need to fire Alexus and the rest of their balancing team honestly. Watch them nerf the decent primaries in order to make these guns seem viable
this community loves seeing people loose their livelihood SIMPLY because you were slightly annoyed...Bravo, youre an asshole.
The pummler is better for bugs actually using it myself and it's utility saves lives and keeps bugs back
@@theeginga525 Its great for bots too, been running in last dozen missions and its a new favourite.
This is the first Warbond I am not getting. I wanted to live out my Starship Troopers fantasy with the Tenderizer (that was also advertised as being mostly colored BLACK) and I expected at least medium pen with it, but it is just a worse Liberator. That Alexus guy needs to be fired & the CEO needs to take steps to bring fun back into the game, because it just isn't "fun" anymore...
Pummlers amazing quit yapping and work on your aim
I’m not buying anymore warbonds period until Arrowhead changes direction on their weapon balancing.
Hate to say it but I'm starting to think that not having to buy super credits to get war bonds is starting to make the devs have a lack of incentive to make better ones. Which is unfortunate because it's so nice having a game that allowed all players to unlock war bonds just by playing long enough.
@@Wongsquaredwell look at this stalemate.
We have 2 sides to choose from (and it's painfully sad):
1. Devs are using regular battle-pass system that requires you to spend real money
2. Devs are allowing you to farm "premium currency"
Seems obvious to choose option 2.
But in option 1 devs probably have much more money to have a bigger team of devs/testers and to make much better 3d models/effects
Second option devs like AH aren't dependant on players THAT MUCH. So they push their "vision", ignore players' feedback and test new weapons/missions with a small team for a shorter time.
Someone on reddit showed that the Tenderizer is literally just an old version of the Liberator, it uses the old ammo system where you have 10 mags and a supply pack gives you 5 mags. Its not only a straight downgrade to the current liberator in every stat (except 5 recoil) but its just a copy paste of an older starting weapon. Very creative arrowhead.
DEI brainrot moment, it started with “Misty” and will bleed into the rest of the company unfortunately. It’s gotten to the point their CMs are falsely accusing detractors of sexual assault, deranged.
@@PayYourTick Pretty sure the lead balancing dev is a white guy.
And worse then the Liberator. WHY ANY PLAYER WOULD WANT A WEAPON THAT IS WORSE THEN THE BASIC FIRST GUN YOU GET ON A GAME?? WHY??
@@PayYourTick holy shit touch grass
@@chapellbrock7447 Their opinion is based in the real world. Do you even know what grass is?
I see why pilestedt was unsure about releasing this warbond and wanted to delay it. After all the outrage about nerfing weapons releasing 3 mid to bad tier weapons 2 days after would make the situation so much worse. tbh im worried for AH
But now that he felt like delaying it and saw the overwhelmingly negative reception, it is gonna be a wake up call for him.
I assume he won't release the next war bond so soon....and there will be changes in the balancing process.
@@anthrax2413 not sure it's up to arrowhead, they might be under contract from sony to drop a new warbond per month or so
Exactly, this is another example why they should stop releasing monthly warbonds and start overhauling the existing arsenal, maybe add some mod options, like bigger mags, scopes etc. too.
Yeah I feel like these Warbonds don't evolve over time. Like 90% of the stuff are being recycled and repackaged into a "more advanced" weapon. This leads me to believe that warbonds are already predetermined before the launch.
The delay said nothing about balancing, though. The delay was a question of where the release would be tone deaf to the Sony situation. The weapons would've released in the exact same state, but later.
i like how the two first armors are just black and white reskins of each other, really shows how creative arrowhead is and how much variety they want to implement.
They also said in the past that they were against transmog, that armors should look the way it performs. They do the opposite of this ironically.
I mean the winter and the scout one looks awesome but damn do the effects suck
At this point, one has to think that the people working in balancing, especially lead balancing Alexus(the same lead balancing Alexus who was in charge of balancing for Hello Neighbor 2), are purposefully trying to tank this game based on jealousy or something else. Unless you are brain-damaged, there is no way these weapons should have been released in this state.
For those that don't know, Hello Neighbor 2 was a really fun game about sneaking into your neighbor's house. You could hide under the bed, trick him, and do a lot of fun things. This is a very crude description, but you get the point. When Alexus got a hold of Hello Neighbor 2, he took away hiding under bed, took away fun tricks, made the game terrible. The game obviously tanked, and now this scumbag showed up as lead balance dev for Helldivers 2. If he is not removed, Helldivers 2 will be a cautionary tale about how if your lead balance dev runs rampant, he can singlehandedly destroy your game.
He's had multiple chances to make things right, but all he's done is dig his heels in and embarrass himself every time he spoke by responding with nonsense. Eruptor nerf for example, he claims no breakpoints were changed. Clearly brain damaged as it only takes 2 minutes to prove that is wildly incorrect. Takes 3-4 shots where it only took 1 previously. No one asked him to nerf Eruptor, yet here we are. He is either acting with malicious intent, or is a complete idiot. Remove Alexus, give his job to the lowest of interns, and I can guarantee you the game would improve exponentially.
1~4 difficulty weapons.
Hey fuck you diff 1 is super hard even for a lvl 115 like me!
the entire dev team only plays 2 and below, the weapons are S tier for them they say!
@@ethonzianch129 if they ever play their game. 9 to 5 job doing bare minimum and he's out of the office at the speed of light
funny how its called Polar patriot but the incendiary grenade is the best thing in it
This was so half baked that the theme of the warbond doesn't even make sense
@@BoglinZilla Exactly, the armor passives are just default shit that's already in the game, they could have at least came up with something related to snow maps
At this point they should stop making warbonds for three months and have a team dedicated to bug fixing, while the other team focuses on making brand new passives and fixing the stupid weapon design choices. The Spear for instance has been bugged for so long (even though they promised that end of this month, it’s finally good to go) that I suspect they only tried it in a virtual white box/blank dev testing room with no environment and hordes blocking line of sight, with enemies T posing and staying still, that in this condition the weapon worked perfectly as intended. But not in the actual levels we are currently playing. That’s just an example.
@@user-yv1bf4rx7r they also had a great opportunity to drop a freeze ray gun... but decided to drop the most basic warbond ever
@@RonJeremy514 ^
Ima be honest...I love Helldivers 2, I've put 265 hours in it in two months and now...I'm not really even playing anymore. I got bored. I've called them out for their poor balancing and poor implementation of new ideas and warbounds and got hate in the past but now here we are again. I feel like they missed the mark with basically avery single warbound released, and especially with content updates. They had an amazing opportunity to keep us engaged after the massive push of the community to defeat the Automatons and that was the perfect window to develope the story further and release the Illuminates, but instead they just brought them back like nothing mattered. Also, they leaked many future content, many of which has yet to drop...it was cool at first because we thought we would see those things very soon, but instead we're still waiting on the new mech, the vehicles, the Commando, the Nuke, the Carpet Bomb, AA airstrike and so on....a lot of weird decisions from the management team in my opinion.
There's a difference between leak and datamine. Most of the stuff that's not in the game atm is stuff that isn't necessarily ready. Now is it not ready because it's not polished enough, or is it not ready because AH doesn't think it's their idea of fun is anyones guess.
Yeah, right now for the past 2 weeks I've been in the same boat, I'm around 366 hours total and I just do not want to play anymore, they blew their load too soon and they made way too many mistakes and keep making more mistakes with their horrible balancing. Every bit of content that they release is not fun to play with or is for about 2 weeks then gets nerfed into the center of the earth. There is literally nothing to look forward to anymore, Destiny 2 was boring after a while but at least there was stuff to do. This game has the same missions every single time, the same 2 factions to play against for going on 3 months now and again the weapons are bad, and a lot of the stratagems are also bad or just not useful enough plus, very limited slots to use, 4 is just not enough.
I hope that they can turn this around but at this point... I don't think that they can, they seem far too full of themselves and they have far too many echo chambers and zealots who tell them everything is fine.
@@hawk9mm Why play it then? 366 hours? Wasn't it worth it for $40? Go play something else.
How do you even find the time to play a game for 265 hours in a month? What the hell man
I think your problem is literally spending over a third of a month just playing helldivers. That's literally 8 hours a day, every day lol
This Warbond is dog shit… they missed the mark so hard. The name “Polar Patriots” makes you think, “oh maybe the new armor has new perks, like allowing the cleats/ice spikes to negate blizzard slow, or stops you from sliding on ice”. Nope. Maybe the new weapons are good? Nope. Tenderizer is just a worse Liberator, the Pummeler has stun, and is cool, so that’s DEFINITELY getting nerfed. The final gun is just a worse Scorcher. What a fail, the “balancing” dev needs a new job.
6:31 When I watched the trailer for this warbond, I was so sure that the armors would have a passive to walk easily through all terrains. They have spikes on the boot. And then, nothing.
Yeah the theme of this Warbond really ain't making any sense. There's literally nothing "polar" related
I thought they dont slide on ice
@@BoglinZilla You know what would totally make sense with this theme? all weapons being LASER weapons. They are naturally buffed when played on cold planets because they take more time to overheat in the game. That would make sense. Imagine if the laser weapons from helldivers 1 were here now: Tanto (1 handed gun) and the epic Trident (laser shotgun).
@@KerriganTyranid I've been wanting a laser minigun as a strategem and a laser sniper rifle like from Terminator 1 for quite a while. It's baffling that there's no minigun whatsoever in this game
@@BoglinZilla Great idea for a cool support weapon!! A laser minigun would feel very much like the clone troopers from TCW. I would love that!!
Another important issue to note is that there's like this psychological dread to committing hours and money into new content for this game. I had 100+ hours since launch and loved it, but now find myself making excuses to not play. I would chalk this up to just being a personal thing, but my entire squad group feels the same way. When there's no guarantee the game will feel and play the way you enjoy from one week to the next because of regressive balancing, people simply move on and interest wanes... you said it best - this is how a game dies in slow motion.
This is exactly how it feels, I can only play on weekends so every week I come back to see things I liked nerfed or enemies buffed. Players shouldn’t feel dread every time they hear about an incoming patch.
man, the one time i wanted to follow a live service game from the beginning and it already looks bleak
@@cykablyat5497 Think you nailed it there, it is a feeling of dread. My entire squad quit because of nerfs. If it ain't fun, see ya.
That's fair. My group is still having a blast each time we drop. Luckily there are a ton of fantastic games our right now that would better deserve you time. Gamers are eating good again!
Same feeling as you, picked myself up last night to join the boys on a raise the flag level 7 mission. Game crashed at 3 extraction 39 mins into a game. Yay.
The game has lost a lot fun for me and my friend grp, and I noticed we were playing a lot less even with new content coming
- All the loadouts my friends used to enjoy got nerfed to oblivion
Instead of making underwhelming weapon better, they made good weapon underwhelming (so we just end up with less variety).
The game is still easy as a 4man grp even on diff 9, we just get less tool to play with,
- Solo playing has become exhausting with the patrol changes that still doesn't seem to work the way they intended it to (as we are getting 4man grp patrol timer, regardless of the number of players - when it used to be a different timer before depending on player count, this was tested by Luchs and has a YT video about it)
I really hope they bring back the railgun and the quasar, so we can have a lot of multiple loadouts, even at higher difficulties : amr/any backpack, autocannon, quasar/any backpack, railgun/any backpack + better primaries.
The railgun was supposed a high risk high reward weapon, but it's just a weapon that can kill you while doing less damage than the AMR or the Autocannon anyway.
All the nerfs are narrowing down the tool we can use, when players just want variety and replayability - being gaslighted about it by the devs on discord is beyond obnoxious.
It feels like their vision was maybe one dude making it out or most of the time difficulty 9 just being horrendously brutal and wiping teams 75% of the time and because it isn't like that they're trying to make the game harder....by removing loadouts that actually work well.
I genuinely don't understand how the FIFTH warbond still has light armor primaries... who is this for?
Massive ammo capacity is mandatory as the tradeoff for doing no damage against 75% of the enemies, yet we got another very low mag size AR. Why?
No more light armor primaries unless they're heads and shoulders above the ones we currently have.
They're already suffering from realizing that their current practice involves developing 36 new weapons and armor sets every year consistently
Its not at all sustainable, they need to change their philosophy
I'll say they better off making 1 page warbond for 400 SC per month and every 3 months release a bundle for 1000 SC.
Totally agree with you. You can’t keep that pace up and make better weapons with every single release. It just wouldn’t work.
I think this as well, maybe slow down on the war bond or add something every other month like new missions and rotate with the war bonds.
All these weapons have already been made. This means they should have an easier time balancing them.
You do realize they already have the entire year's worth of war bonds completed before the game even launched right?
Im so stumped by this games balancing team. The verdict is a straight downgrade to the senator IN EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. How does this even pass quality testing? Whats even the point of it?!
4 more rounds and 50 less damage--but LIGHT ARMOR PENETRATION?! Like bro who even thinks up this shit lmao
Yeah, a lot of these weapons are just... not good, in any reasonable capacity. The best thing out of this warbond for me is the Incendiary Impact Grenade.
A grenade stole the show from 3 new armors and weapons. That should not happen.
That's kinda apples to oranges to be fair... The Verdict can dump rounds WAY faster than the Senator, reloads quicker, and lets you carry way more bullets overall. It isn't the same niche as the Senator, it's not really fair to compare them like that.
It more closely competes with Peacemaker and Redeemer, which are both for handling light targets. In that niche, its actually really solid.
@@derkaiser9881 Should be enough to oneshot normie bots in the torso, isnt?
It has more rounds, reloads faster all the time, shoots twice as fast and one taps chaff including warriors. It's not meant to fill the same role. It's fine.
Thank you, people are to scared to say it’s trash.
I'm with ya brotha, just glad the CEO see's we aren't having fun and plans on talking to the balancing team, dudes the only one who plays the game it feels
He probably tried latest eruptor
It's all Alexus fault. He is killing this games fun.
@@DanielCollins85 I can't wrap my head around how they took a dude with a terrible history in game dev, and make him the balance team lead...
@@Grumpy1174 Probably nepotism.
Speak for yourself, I'm having a lot of fun, especially with the fire DOT now fixed
Literally the only reason I want to grind this warbond. It’s for the electric guitar victory pose and the CW-Kodiak helmet.
I don’t care about the rest.
Yeah mostly because of the cool looking set. But tbf, they released an event more cool looking one in the superstore with finally some sort of camo pattern on it, about time for a game with a lore that pretends to be militaristic. That said it’s a heavy armor and the warbond itself seems like it’s more geared towards bots (well except for the damn assault rifle). Problem: we are currently focusing massively on terminids.
Right? Kodiak armour is no better than the light armour from the last set. Rifle is garbage. Grenade might be OK for bugs, gonna try the pistol out tonight, hopefully there's something worthwhile in this bond eh... 😢
I want the grenade and pistol.
Love how the heavy armors have ice cleats, but don't stop you from sliding on ice.
“A lot of options, but very little choice”.. this is perfect.
I think polar patriot should have Light/Medium/Heavy armor with the passives "Snowshoes: Movement in deep snow is increased" and ""Winter Camoflauge: Decreases range at which you can be detected in the snow." Like they're minimum contrast gear for a snowy environment. It only makes sense that they could, for example, have wider shoe bases to spread your weight out, preventing you from sinking so deeply into the snow if it's meant for SNOW combat, and if they're all white colors to blend in, then it makes sense for it to be harder for enemies to spot you and lower their chase/leash radius. It would also be a distinct buff specifically for snow environments so it wouldn't overlap with the general reduction of the scout armor.
Love your ideas!
Lmao the polar camouflage suit with the reduction in detection stats is BLUE AND ORANGE 😅😅😅🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
When you compared the jar5 dominator to the eruptor, something else you should keep in mind is that the jar5 dominator technically has twice the amount of damage the eruptor does and its magazine. I'd love to understand how that's balanced, especially after the Nerf to the Eruptor
It is ironic, at the time where the game is set and the technology we have and the weapons are garbage, humans already have advanced technology in the game, we travel at warp speed.
We're all just living in the balance team's world, and it ain't pretty...
or cheap for that matter.
if the ballance team had their way, every weapon would be doing the same damage with just a diffrent coat of paint
Not cheap, free. Pretty easy to earn 1000 SP credits
@@catodes1295 🙄
@@nope-qi8zx sorry you feel that way about the truth
@@catodes1295 sure thing, buddy. Now go play with your overpriced funko pops.
Booster doesn't work against bug spore exploder things on the ground or the little green guys that spit at you.
Definitely a bit of a miss. Guess they should've delayed it...
Not affecting the little green bugs is kinda ass, but how tf did they miss the spores?
The MS booster does work, but only reduces the slowed time by about a second, maybe 1.5 seconds. Tested on bile spew etc. It works, but meh
Frankly, it's also a borderline placebo against the things it does work for.
The hunter/spewer slow is extremely annoying since it messes with how your character handles, but it's usually not even that deadly if you know how to dive out of it and when to stim. Most of the time what actually kills you is hunters stagger-locking you with a melee combo, or the spewers one-shotting you with the spray because you didn't see them or dove in the wrong direction.
@@BackwardsPancake True
Just playing devil's advocate here, but the description itself says it won't work for "area effects" IE the spore bombs or EMS strikes. Not sure why the scav spewers get to do their own thing, however..
6:53 tbh I completely agree, maybe something like
Winter warrior passive:
1.Snow doesn’t slow you down as much
2. Enemies detection range decreased by 40%( blending in snow)
Alternatives passives:
1. better accuracy (you don’t shiver when cold)
2. have better grip on ice (spikes on shoes)
3. Run faster and slide farther after diving on ice (spikes on shoes again)
4. Better incendiary damage ( put hand warmers in the guns(AH love fire damage))
"A lot of options but very little choice" is a fantastic, FANTASTIC way of summarizing the direction that Helldivers 2 is going. We've gotten 3 extra warbonds to expand the number of things we can choose, but every one of them seems to have resulted in narrowing down the ones we can actually use if we want to have a good time.
New balancing philosophy, release very mid-bad weapons then buff it to the point of barely usable = players happy.
Hope this isn’t the case.
didn’t even consider that honestly. I guess that’s because I assume that the balance team has literally no idea how to do their job lmao.
its either that or make a good weapon like eruptor and then nerf it a few days before new warbond
Honestly it feels like you are right
spread awareness guys, so people will KNOW if this is what is happening, and will be able to better analyse the situation
That would imply Alexus is capable of buffing weapons which is great, he probably never worked on R6S with Ubisoft. But jokes aside, they can clearly do things good on first try (Grenade Pistol, Dominator, Scorcher, Autocanon, Arc Thrower almost, EAT, Laser Canon, Eagle Strikes). The other side of the coin is that Alexus is also capable of ruining the Eruptor, Crossbow, Railgun and normal Breaker.
Their warbond release method is interesting. One mid functional weapon and the rest is bollocks. Then wait a week and the functional weapon will be nerfed. It’s hardly anything to look forward to.
Then immediately nerf it into hell once people start using it again, fucking Alexus@@crackededge9351
@@crackededge9351 And the buff will look like the one for the beam weapons. 350 instead of 300 dps, like that is anywhere near the average damage of the other weapons.
@@crackededge9351 Haha... Yeah, it seems they go by usage statistics to a large extent.
Seriously what is up with the fucking team behind balance in this game? Do they hate us?
The wanker that ran Hello Neighbour 2 into the ground is the lead balancing dev for Helldivers 2 now. Make of that what you will...
2:42 Not sure about headshots, but bodyshots with the Pummeller do stun devastators. Berserkers for sure; I pushed back berserker swarms with it in my first test of it. However not every shot seems to stagger them or the other devastators, more like a 50% chance to stagger and it does nothing if it deflects off the armor. It might take 2 or 3 bodyshots to stagger which, for a low ROF weapon like the Pummeller, can be kind of annoying. But it absolutely does stagger them.
It feels like weve gotten zero content in almost 2 months tbh. Like we got the airburst and this new warbond, but both of those seem so useless that i dont even bother using them so the game feels like its had no update for weeks
We've gotten several stratagems, weapons and new enemy and mission types. I get that the 2 most recent warbonds have been a letdown (partly due to nerfs and partly to the weapons being underwhelming out of the gate), but let's not exaggerate the issue and start acting like it's the end of Helldivers 2. Unless you meant the last 2 weeks, which is still a fairly short timeframe.
@@mattimartikainen4383 The last warbond was fine, im talking after its release. We got:
Increased factory strider spawns (they were already in the game)
Raise the flag mission (Already was in the game)
Airburst launcher (Unfun and very bad imo)
2 new missions (the defense one is actually alright, but the deactivate tcs one isnt very unique or creative)
New warbond (Every weapon is a direct downgrade and copy of already existing ones, while the grenade is a carbon copy of an already existing grenade and the booster is just a worse muscle enhancement)
1 new biome (the acid worlds are alright but its just another open field, nothing really new)
New Armors (Which all have recycled passives, literally zero new passives since cutting edge, a lot of them r just recolor too lol)
Can you see why it feels dry? Most of it recycled content or just bad
Remember that the community chose the airburst.
@@slaytanicc I agree on most thing, but not on the airburst. I love this Geneva butchering launcher.
@@mattimartikainen4383content wise what we have gotten in the last 2 months tho? Air burst rocket, quasar & a few mid weapons aside from the grenade pistol & the eruptor which is also now mid. Oh yay we got 2 new enemy types added into the game. So much new content ! New mission types? That means I can go kill bugs in a different context & it’s considered new content ! I wouldn’t call a few new weapons “content” . New enemy additions to the factions is great not all that game changing. Realistically speaking we haven’t gotten much new content
I'm convinced the devs are in absolute fear of giving the players any form of power, strength...etc
Have you seen how cracked fire is against bugs? I am able to finish off Bile Titans that weren't killed outright by Orbital Railcannon
@@catodes1295 Bruh, that's because fire damage got 2 buffs during the time that DoT damage didn't work at all if you weren't host, and the fire weapons themselves got buffs during this time as well. All this was during the time that fire DoT straight up didn't work for 3/4 of every lobby, so they're super overbuffed now that fire DoT works, and EVERYONE knows that they're going to nerf fire soon.
@@catodes1295 that's recent and may get nerfed and based off prior patches and balances the statement made originally holds more truth
@@xon0930
Uh, yeah, I know? And yes, it's obviously gonna get nerfed. It's too easy mowing down entire swarms with all the Incendiary weaponry in the game rn
@@catodes1295 fire does not even dmg bile titans what game are you even playing? and railcannon one shots them if you scratch them with anything else but have fun with that 4miunet cooldown
I understand that the decision to nerf the breaker was probably made to diversify the gameplay, but considering the number of guns available now, if they were all balanced, we could possibly have the breaker's ammo capacity restored. It's the only shotgun I enjoy using apart from the incendiary shotgun.
Snow themed armor that can walk through snow and not slip on ice.
Deagle that can function as a one-handed weapon, but goes akimbo when not carrying a shield or SSSD.
A heavy AR that lives somewhere between the basic ARs and the MG support weapon.
These are things that would have been cool and new. Instead we got more of the same.
I'm actually baffled that aside from the arc armors, we have gotten no new armor passives. We have now had 3 premium war bonds added to the game, but only one new, extremely niche armor passive added. A damage resistance passive that only protects us from ourselves as there are no enemies that use electric weapons, lmao.
Just remember Alexus is responsible for Hello Neighbor 2 and Now Helldiver 2 with the worst balancing.
I heard that he only play on Difficulty 4
That's honestly so funny. Actually playing the game and being good at it should be requirements for the balancing team
True
Dude needs to lose his job
Even before the Snoy screw up I stopped playing Helldivers since April 22 due to the Nerfs alone. Every time I see a new weapon in a video at work and plan to work my way towards it on my day off I see another video showing it got nerfed to the ground before I could get it.
Thats what ive bern saying. Sonys move was shit but its arrowhead ruining the game for me. Its gettinh old every fun weapon turned into a dam bb gun
PSA TO ALL SOLO PLAYERS:
The Redditor gergination, the guy responsible for the amazing post and video that analyzed how patrol spawns work, has released a new video showcasing that patrol spawn rates are the same regardless of group size across all difficulties. This change was made with the recent patch that affected patrol spawns for non-full groups. As it stands in the game, a solo player on helldive will experience the same amount of patrols spawning as a full team on helldive.
Not sure if I can link another video on CZcams, but the video showing this is titled "Patch 1.000.300 Patrol Changes - Helldivers 2" and it was uploaded by the channel Luchs. As a solo player, seeing this shit felt so validating and infuriating.
I hate how the devs say we can’t have transmogs on armor yet continue to add armor that is exactly the same. Kodiak armor is exactly the same as democratic detonation heavy, light armor is the same as the default light armor from the first war bond, there’s only like 5 perks in the game. How can you not allow players to just pick the perk for the 3 classes of armor when the armor is literally only cosmetic as it currently stands
In the future we can’t seem to increase magazine size or make weapons that can pierce medium to heavy armor.
how the fuck, should future tech increase magazine size? magazine size increases magazine size
A light bullet is still a light bullet, regardless of how powerful the powder gets in it. That's the reason everyone's not carrying around heavy-shredding machine guns, is because the ammo has to be bulky and absolutely bloody heavy. That's why it's reserved for support weapons, as nobody can carry around enough heavy piercing ammo to also fight a horde at the same time, unless they were a supersoldier in a powered exoskeleton like Master Chief (and even then it's a question of how to store all that gear in a way that can be easily accessed for reloading)
@@norrecvizharan1177 ever heard of our lord and saviour tungsten carbide core?
@@norrecvizharan1177 and armor piercing incendiary
frankly, heavy armor is for support weapons, not for primaries or secondaries. If there's a primary that can kill heavy armor, then it has to be very clunky to use.... like eruptor was supposed to be.
Ever since the sickle was released I’ve never used another weapon. There’s just no point. Decent damage, unlimited ammo if you use it right, good rate of fire, good crowd control. Damn near 95% of all the guns blow
Totally agree with you, I've tried other weapons and they just aren't fun. That's why I play games, for FUN.
Honestly yeah I agree
breaker incendiary for bugs doe
Shhhh. Arrowhead might be watching out for comments that talk about good weapons!
@@Jack115. It is affective against bugs I agree but the sickle kicks ass just as good and you don’t run out of ammo just let it cool off
The devs are slowly killing their game. The warbonds bring nothing new, the past 3 have had (at best) one good gun. Every update adds more and more bugs, but instead of slowing down to fix them, they keep releasing more content, and more bugs. The balance is terrible, and it seems like they don’t even tests their game (new ship modules simply not working, at all). Players seem caught up in the whole “finally a good live service game” to realize that at this rate there will be 2 usable primaries, and the game will be nigh unplayable.
The problem I have is there’s no creativity, I think that premium weapons shouldn’t be stronger, but instead be interesting. The issue is that all the weapons feel like free weapons that have no special mechanics. This is an ice themed warbond and yet the only thing ice themed is the armors are white
Cutting edge and steeled veterans are the only warbond worth having right now. Jar 5 dominator, fire damage breaker, stun grenade, sickle and plasma punisher.
Eh, Detonation is worth it for the grenade pistol vs bugs
Shh...they will smell fun and hunt it down.
@@user-yv1bf4rx7rehhh for bugs impact grenade is the go to for me and stun grenade for the automatons but yeah I see some value in that pistol still don’t thinks it’s worth it tho
@@ak1996able It gives you eight extra grenades to close the ten billion bug holes with.
@@user-yv1bf4rx7r Shhh be quiet
Arrowhead Studios testing their warbonds before releasing them, challenge level: IMPOSSIBLE
They did test it. Found all the fun and promptly removed them
for the tenderizer, comparing the stats to the liberator would have been enough. I can't believe this weapon went live like that.
You’d think with the recent community issues around balancing, this would have been a decent drop. But one thing I thought of is, I work in game dev, future content for live can be in progress several months ahead of release date, although it seems to be tighter at Arrowhead. I think my point is the community feedback probably hasn’t affected this release. Hopefully better to come, along with patches for previous Warbonds.
I agree that one-shotting chargers with an eruptor is excessive. With that said, the "exploit" was that players were unintentionally consistently doing more damage with the eruptor due to more shrapnel hitting the charger belly.
My question is, how the hell did they not think players would do that? Of course a larger target area would mean more shrapnel hits, so of course players would aim at the bottom of a charger's fat ass. And the fix for this was to replace the "random" 100 shrapnel with a consistent 40 damage explosion, which sounds good on paper if the eruptor only exploded into a single bit of shrapnel. It doesn't, yet the balance team somehow thinks a single 40 damage is *better* than a cluster of 100 damage shrapnel.
That's like saying you're buffing a shotgun's pellet consistency by replacing it with a pistol.
Whoever's in charge of the game's balance team needs to sit down and ask themselves what they're actually doing.
edit: Also, the only major buff patch I can think of that really shifted opinion on a weapon, to the point where I see it constantly, is the Jar-5 buff. You know, the one where they nerfed the slugger, then buffed the Jar-5 to basically be a better slugger?
They clearly don't play their game which is sad, excuse me you just have to test out for 5 minutes to check that all the warbond is an absolute trash. They really need to do something about this, this is no longer bearable , you had a chance to shine after that sony drama now you are just helldiving yourself
If they do play, it's like level 4, because they seem to have no idea how it plays at higher levels. They seem to not understand that the game plays a bit different every level and higher levels are completely different than lower/mid levels.
They do play their game, but the problem is that the lead balancing dev is the same guy who basically took Hello Neighbor 2 to the ground via terrible balancing. Literally time anybody found something fun, he'd step on it, and he's apparently also the guy who objected against the idea of hiding under/inside objects in a stealth game.
I've completely lost interest for the game and all respect for Arrowhead after this patch. Match stability is worse than ever to top it off. People are crashing mid match constantly
@@norrecvizharan1177 i still have no idea how the higher-ups at AH made the decision of hiring that goober, absolutely blows my mind
@@grigorigovno2020 Odds are that when they had that massive hiring wave, he snuck in and didn't bother to reveal his past history, only showing them that he was good with coding. They were kinda in big need of people to help them keep up with everything, after all.
At least, that's my interpretation of how it happened.
I still firmly believe what I've been saying since the start of this game: there needs to be less updates. They clearly can't handle so many updates so often, and while it's good we get content, it's weighed down heavily by most of it being bad. They need way more downtime between stuff than they currently do. They need to catch up on all of the bugs and crashes and actually making shit fun or useful.
I hope for AH's sake that the Illuminate update is fantastic.
The problem with that is well, Sony, they are contractually obligated to make one warbond per month
I saw "stopping power" and thought that meant stagger.
I saw new armour prefixes, CW, and thought new passives.
0:18 I don’t want to “pay to win” but for the love of god please let me pay more money to have more fun. When this game was released it was the most fun co-op shooter since the early days of Overwatch, and now I feel like I’m paying extra just to push bugs around the map with premium explosive brooms. THE GAME SHOULD HAVE ACTUAL PROGRESSION (EVEN PAST LEVEL 25) WHERE YOU UNLOCK MORE POWERFUL PRIMARY AND SECONDARY WEAPONS AS YOU PLAY THE GAME, THIS IS EXTREMELY NORMAL AND NOT PAY-TO-WIN.
AH Balance Team: "We hear you. We'll will be buffing more weapons in the Polar Patriots war bond to have medium armor pen."
Also AH Balance Team two seconds later: "To prevent players one tapping Wilburs from across the map, we've given Wilburs heavy armor to preserve the integrity of the game."
are these actual quotes ? , cause this such a circus if it is lol
@@Dead1yProductions Give it a few days and they will be. AH balance team loves to give you miniscule buffs that change almost nothing then mega buff enemies in the same patch.
« In order to compensate the fact that the Tenderizer is medium pen now and cannot be an Adjudicator, it will now have its damage reduced to 40 to become slightly more powerful than the Liberator Pen. Otherwise yes sir, it means it’s nerfed. »
It's fun to have something else to work for to unlock, but there's nothing really good to be excited about unlocking in this warbond.
Friendly reminder : Any other game developer would have made the new weapons so overpowered that you were forced to buy the new content.
I think I would rather have equipment worth obtaining rather than equipment that is trash.
"forced"?
Some of the best guns are in the base warbond. They've already accomplished the goal of not making this game pay-to-win.
Give me reason to earn these newer warbonds, please.
If they make the warbond too good people will complain it’s pay to win. If it sucks people say they’re getting ripped off. They won’t win no matter what they do.
Remember, we need to get rid of the Alexus Kravchenko guy. He single-handedly destroyed his last game and is clearly antagonistic towards those who disagree with him. He will ruin this game and the CEO is a lovely guy but he needs to take a stronger stand against people like him and “Misty”
The new booster is the epitome of "create a problem, sell the solution". Everyone's been complaining about the overuse of slow effects that are ruining the feel of the game, so naturally AH does nothing to fix that and instead creates a bandaid that makes those effects slightly less awful.
Except it's more of a placebo than actual solution. Honestly, all boosters in general fall into that definition, especially those that are impactful like having full supplies on spawn or more stamina. They are bandaid solutions to problems that could have been solved by dealing with reasons in the first place.
The slowing effects wouldn’t be nearly as bad if AH allowed us to just use stims while full health to negate effects or replenish stamina, or remove the whole popping a stim in the middle of a fight but the game doesn’t actually activate it
helldivers has fallen into the same trap that every "live service" game falls into, being forced to pump out content like crazy leads to bad quality
What’s crazy is they haven’t even pumped out any content. All these major orders/new missions and stratagems were almost guaranteed to have been made before the game released because you couldn’t make all that fast enough if it was on the fly. Also with them saying before launch we’d get 1 warbond per month you’d have to think that at least a few of the premium ones were already made. Hell the planets are even procedurally generated
What's even more funny is that the 'problems' are just numbers you can tweak. No new line of code whatsoever. I've done my own 'balance patch' in Warcraft 3 melee, and I don't know jack shit about coding.
Laughing in DBD
And creating solutions to problems that don't exists.
@@lacker101while creating problems
Still my biggest gripe of the last 2 warbonds has been that there's no new armor passive. It's such an under-utilized system and when you have such a strong theme like Polar Patriots you GOTTA give us something cool to work with. Movespeed in snow, no slide on ice, no fire rate reduction on cold planets... hell make it so snowballs do damage or stagger/stun.
I trust they'll eventually get around to buffing the weapons but I really do hope they find the time to spice up armor passives eventually.
Regarding the Eagle pistol, the starting sidearm has a higher (DPS) and a faster reload time. The developers seem to be afraid of being accused of creating a pay-to-win game, even though I can easily earn enough in-game credits to purchase two Warbonds without having to grind for them directly.
I still have to unlock the Cutting Edge warbond, which seems better in every ways.
It's only gotten better with age, at first I would say it was worth it just for the Sickle and stun grenade, but now the Plasma Punisher is really solid and the Arc Blitzer is at least a fun novelty, only weapon that's truly still meh in that Warbond is the laser pistol. Honestly the first two warbonds have only gotten better and better, while the recent ones just don't give good value.
well it had a sickle and a cool booster everything else is mid
Cutting Edge was my first purchase (I only loot for Super Creds, never buy). It was worth it just for the Sickle.
I am a bots main^ Sickle slaps.
Cutting edge best warbond, having all your mates running arc armor + arc blitzer is a good time against bugs.
@@ZephyrKitten742I would probably actually use the laser pistol if it didn't overheat so god damn fast. It already does less damage why can't it just shoot for as long as the scythe. Ugh
The tenderizer is just a paid liberator XD
But it's not even a sidegrade! it's worse! A downgrade!
Weapons have a lot of hidden stats that players can't access for some reason, i suspect it does have its differences with liberator although both guns are very bottom of mid tier.
@@Steir12 Liberator is slept on vs bots. Most people don't know how to use it, thinking it can accomodate cod-brain run and gun style. Lib pen or tenderizer are actually garbage in comparison
@@jjhh320This. Liberator is awesome, a lot of fake gamers just don't know how to fight.
@@acezero8132 Too bad it has to compete with sickle which is pretty much liberator but with endless magazine.
the game is absolutely fried. Stopped playing a month ago
it was not ready to release (the game head literally admitted that several times) and what was working they decided to make not work anymore
it was a good effort, it really was, but the game is done, I and many others are moving on
I was really holding out hope for the Purifier. Given the charge up and fire rate you would expect it to be a heavy hitter like the eruptor (even in its current nerfed state).
But it does almost the same damage as a single scorcher shot!? When factoring in fire rate that's like 30% of the DPS of the scorcher. It's unusable!
WHO is making the decisions about how powerful these weapons should be?
I heard the Liberator was the outperforming every weapon and stratagem in the game. It would be a shame if the devs knew this 👀
OH NO BRO!
It’s actually decent, you could have said the Dagger pistol is OP bro, you failed at gaslighting the devs!
i love this game but i’m finding it hard to consistently play as the game play is so repetitive after 30+ hours
Yea adding new enemies might help but the mission structure does get boring really fast
Yeah, I've got 220 hours in it and... I think it's getting a bit less interesting (I'll play today more just to make sure)
I think they really need to deploy that Hive Lord or new enemy faction soon to spice things up again. I honestly haven't been too bothered with the weapon buff/nerf status thing, but rather, I actually just want to start seeing new enemy content...
I would love to see some new longer linear campaign style operations. Where there is some persistent bonuses for completing missions within the operation. This would spice things up and give us more reason to complete operations rather than just pick favorite missions.
@@Annihilo See, that's a great idea. For example, if one mission gives the completion bonus of "Every player for the rest of the operation may summon 1 mech per landing" or "Additional airstrike options added to all players", stuff like that, would give new decision making in the order of completing them in the operation. And this will be a very easy add to the game too without too much extra work
Regarding SMG + Shield: One handed weapons have two more uses. You can fire them behind you while running and you can carry the SSSD and still use your primary. If people want that, this might be for them.
But I agree that it needs to do something that the defender isn't doing already.
Devs are definitely lost in the sauce with balancing. I think they're forgetting that the game needs to be FUN for people to continue playing. My entire friend group lost interest like 2 months ago because bots were too ridiculous and majority of weapons were pretty lame. Maybe I'll get them to check back in a year to see where the game's at. Too many other fun games to play especially as a group instead of getting frustrated in this game
What's the point in releasing guns in a paid warbond if they're gonna be esentially worse variations of already existing guns? When I heard that it was winter themed I thought it would have an ice thrower or an ice grenade along unique passives for the armors. To think that we're gonna have to wait an entire month to see if there's gonna be interesting new guns and all
SMG's should be moved into the secondary weapon category.
My head canon whoever is in charge of super earth's weapon manufactureing is slacking off and needs to be trialed for treason.
Yeah I loved the eruptor, used to oneshot stalkers and made it a lot easier when they were chasing you, but now it takes about 3 ish shots to take one down and saying they are generally attacking you in groups and the long wait between shots it feels terrible compared to pre-nerf.
Pummeler and impact incendiary are the only things worth mentioning imo. Still, id rather use the punisher and stun grenades. Back to V-rising he goes. Smart.
agreed. smg stun is great for making distance with bugs rn, but I’m sure they will remove that in the future. 👍
Hoo boy, I was hoping once I left Overwatch I was done dealing with shit-ass balancing but here we are
Enjoying very much your videos OhDough! Thanks so much for getting up on the fence and speaking out about the poor balancing of weapons/stratagems in Helldivers II. I hope the developers get their act together soon. Peace.
"Resistant to winter environmental effects slowing the helldiver's movement" + "Shoot faster in colder environments." (From memory they slow F.R) OR + " faster cooling/reload on weapons" the idea is your body is warm enough to not be influenced by the cold or the obstacles so your reload is slightly faster. Maybe no more than 10% or 15%.
everything apart from impact incendiary feels so lackluster, in current state this warbond should be half the price.
And even with that it’s worth noting that the impact incendiary is a direct sidegrade from the regular incendiary grenade, which is in an overall better warbond
the new stealth armor is great for drip, but thats it.
It's literally a recolor of the second scout armor from the free warbond. At least the body is, helmet is different.
Quote: "Stopping power is the ability of a weapon - typically a ranged weapon such as a firearm - to cause a target (human or animal) to be incapacitated or immobilized."
To me, that would translate to a staggering effect in Helldivers 2, not damage output.
This is what happens when developers can’t play games, and no one is buying the lazy cop out of “difficult and challenging”
How are they gonna add an AR that has the exact same stats as the liberator with less ammo? What a joke!! Thing needs at least 80 damage or give it medium armor pen
ceo be like hehe maybe we arent balancing well. brother you are the ceo, step it up
I was thinking the exact same idea. I love some of the weapons in this game. I also love the visuals and have favorites. I also don't want the devs to nerf the weapons that I use, so I feel like I can't ever congratulate the devs for making any weapon in the game and say that it feels really good because the devs might hear that praise and nerf/ruin any weapon that I find enjoyable.
I think the main difference between the demolition warbond and the polar, is that no matter how over or underpowered they might have become...the demolition warbond at least has the 'concepts' of potentially interesting weapons, while the polar weapons are just mostly very obvious as to what they would become.
Demolition had a DMR that could flick over to full-auto, a sniper rifle for a primary weapon, but it also had explosive ammo, and a crossbow, again, with explosive ammo. Oh, and almost forgot, a grenade pistol that we "hoped" would be another way of dealing with bug-holes/fabs. Theres a lot of ways those weapons could be really cool or really lame, but the "potential" for those concepts makes them fun to speculate.
Now for the polar set? A "high caliber" rifle right after they converted the Adjudicator to being essentially a high caliber rifle. A concussive SMG, when nobody uses the concussive weapons nor the SMGs, so why would anyone use this. The pistol just looked like it would either be a "side-grade" or lower caliber version of the revolver. And finally, the only weapon with potential--a weapon that seems to be a mix of the Eruptor, Scorcher, Punisher Plasma, and the Arcthrower (I actually thought it was going to be single-shot reloads, kinda like the Railgun, but obviously have WAY higher damage than what we seemed to have gotten). The incindiary impact grenade is an example of a weapon we 'want', but is an example of the weapon having "no imagination" that could be applied to it. We knew exactly how it would work the moment it was mentioned--which is 'fine' once you get the weapon, but not so great when the rest of the pack is lacking imagination too.