The DCS beginner experience is true horror
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- After spending a month playing this game I'm pretty sure I can fly both an f15 and f18 in real life now
This some clips of me and Jack trying to learn how to fly and the funny moments that arose. There'll be more clips later on of us actually getting in dogfights but there was enough footage for this.
Warthunder video possibly next but might use some old footage that I have lying around of monopoly or something
They need to make one of the multiseat training jets cheap or free. I'd happily hop in and teach people if I could but not being able to put somone in a calm platform that I can take controls back from is a nightmare. The new mb339 being literally 60 bucks is a joke.
Yeah definitely agree would've been made easier if we had someone able to teach us
they did. there is a free T-45
@@Elios0000 it's a mod and the multicrew is utterly fucking broken.
@@PebelWasTaken I mean you can always rent a trainer plane or something but agree trainer planes should be free or like 15-20 bucks
It is a high fidelity module, do you have any idea of the cost of making a module like this one? You truly have to be out of your mind to think they can just dish out the fruit of their effort of multiple years for free. It baffles me how much this community is asking for sometimes. AND the MB-339 is made by a third party dev, even if ED wanted to make it free (they already do with the 2 weeks trial) they couldn't
DCS is a horror game through and through. The learning curve is steep but it is 100% worth it.
Steep is an understatement, more like a 90 degree angle
guys I mean, don't get in DCS if you don't expect that. I still don't have a pc not DCS but I fully expect it will be hard as a a rock to learn something
@@overthreer that's why we have Wags, Spudknocker and the Grim Reapers to do tutorials for us.
The FC3 aircraft are pretty simple to learn and are a good intermediate level. The full fidelity aircraft are a very high step up but with watching Spud and Cap it got a lot easier.
@@samspeed6271 true, Just wish the f15 had an ingame tut. Though I will say, the f/a-18 manual was an interesting read
@@overthreer it is a shame the Lock On MAC tutorials weren't ported over for the F-15C. Granted, they weren't the best, but they did the job and they were far better than nothing.
Downloaded game, some minutes later manage to take off, fly in straight line for about 2 minutes, try to bank right to turn, stall into flat spin and crash.
11/10 would do again.
That sums up pretty much everyone's first time I'm pretty sure
Do not worry every beginners go down after first fly you just need to learn from your mistakes 😊
@@MJK-GC Well I spent like an hour and a half replaying the takeoff training mission, and got as prepared as I could be (Even took a couple pages of notes.) so my first flight was actually pretty fine.
The landing, however, was not fine.
Quick tip: You don't actually need rudders when landing unless there's crosswind. So as long as you line yourself up right you'll be golden :)
Yeah I managed to get a few "good" landings in not long after this video, it was more luck than anything so I'll take a longer run up next time to be more in line
@@MJK-GC that's the spirit, and a good Habit to have is instead of committing hard on your landing, if you feel like it's not gonna go so well don't hesitate to go around and try again. Hell, some pilots when they start learning have to do multiple go-arounds before they're satisfied. Just give it your best try :)
3:33 when you hear the audible missile warning ("whoop whoop whoop") and you look at the RWR (Radar warning receiver) and see the missile tagged M at your 3 o'clock. I honestly wanted to shove you aside, take your joystick and break left and dive. Why you do this to me? LOL
Yeah ngl I didn't even know what was happening, the beeps were just making me panic
@@MJK-GC 🤣😂 we all start and learn somewhere. As long as you have fun. The passion for flying never dies.
What server do you normally fly on? I would really enjoy flying with you. I can teach you to land better.
Nah don't worry he was trying to notch it for sure !
@@1991USsoldier Jack creates his own private server which we play on to not disrupt other people
'Pull it then dickhead' smashes into the ocean fucken priceless need more
Gotta love Jack
After spending so much time learning the F-14 and apache I will say that y'all did really well given the circumstances. Left Control + E three times for eject by default for anyone else wondering.
My grandpa was a F4 pilot in the USNAF. He told me learning to fly was the most idiotic experience of his life as his instructor basically told him “you know how to fly a crop duster you can fly a fighter jet”.
Surprisingly he didn’t crash it.
Boi this brings me back to my early days in DCS
I started 11 + years ago and its never easy. Still love it 100%
I was lucky I had a mate who was quite experienced and taught me the F 15 I've got a firm grasp of the basics from his teaching. I can't do any fancy monevers but I can fire missiles, navigate and can land/take off from carriers(Su-33).
Only took like a mear 25 hours.
Thou jumping into a full fidelity is still daunting and another learning curve
Yeah took us at least a day to figure out missiles and another just for me to make the f/18 screens work half decently
Take this expertise and slap it into an Apache. I've been flying it around for about an hour trying to find out how to fly decently stable. And the end result is... well. Im gonna go to bed and try again in the morning.
Weird hearing other welshies on DCS lol
super underrated man, this was awesome
Always glad to see more peeps getting into DCS! it can certainly be quite daunting but so very awesome if you stick through with it too. I've been playing DCS and other sims (both combat and civil aviation) for yearrrrrs and I still am learning new things all the time. Some of my absolute favorite memories in video games have come from flight sims, the steep learning curve makes things that much sweeter once you do something right and blast your first mig or gun down your first fw190. Best advice I can give you is to keep trying and learn what works and what doesn't work, use your resources, there's soooo many good youtube tutorials and manuals and such out there. Also I hate to say it, but take random bits of advice with a grain of salt, I'm sure everyone means well, but even just in the comments section, some people are giving good advice and some others not so much if that makes sense. Good luck and clear skies!
Good to hear welsh voices in a game filled with yanks 😂
Safe flights gent's hopefully see you in the Air on a server soon 🐉
Don't see many Welsh here on CZcams either good to see fellow countrymen
@@flowersthewizard9336 I often feel like the only welshman on DCS. This was awesome to see!
Lmao, “missile 5 o’clock!” Pulls into the missile after becoming spatially disoriented
Learning to land with the F-15 as your first plane is not the easiest, she's got terribly flimsy landing gear. But if you can land her well, you can land anything!
>Well let's see how you're doing in this other tab
>F-14 departing
>oh
Really sets the tone
ahh yes the ol' taxi fire. Alittle bit warm but that's what the fire extinguishers for.
-Who are you and what are you doing on this airbase?
-I watched Indian guide from CZcams.
-Here is your F-15s and F-18s sir!
The landings were painful to watch :D
Your problems isn't the rudder, it's that you're landing while controlling the aircraft in the same way you would as if you were fast.
You may have dropped gear and flaps but you're still pulling and pushing on the stick to go up and down - that's not how you land.
You should trim on a particular value of AOA called "onspeed AOA", then use the throttle to go up/down and pulling/pushing on stick or trim to get slower or faster. Yes, your controls are reversed in this slow-flying regime. Throttle controls mostly your climb/descend while stick forward/aft mostly controls your speed.
If you pull hard on the stick while in this slow flying regime, you won't go up, you'll slow down and stall.
Note that "Onspeed AOA" is possibly the worst name they could have chosen for this, since it has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with AOA.
You should ignore speed on landings from the moment you drop flaps and only follow the AOA indicator, pulling up and trimming to put it in the correct value while slowing down to prevent climbing.
I didn't see the HUD but you were probably going about 50 knots too fast on touchdown which is why the plane bounced, and also you didn't flare - which is expected, because it's impossible to flare at this speed without making the airplane climb again.
Look up some "onspeed landing" tutorials.
Yeah I defintely decided to look at tutorials after the recording, this footage (and my other DCS footage) is from early July so while I definitely wouldn't say I'm good now I'm definitely better than when this was filmed. Your advice is really helpful tho
Nice to hear some Welsh boys in the skies. You should join the Iron Steeds in Neath 😉
We gather every Friday at about 7pm. Excessive beer is mandatory. Being able to fly is optional.
To be fair to us, we're ok at FC3 stuff, just starting to learn the FA18.
I'm new but for your landings you're going EXTREMELY fast, so try slowing down :)
use flaps and airbrake as well
Yeah definitely learnt that the speed is too much
hahaha oh man, fun times
Would you believe just flying the plane is still the easiest part of DCS?
If you really want to enjoy study sims like this (i.e. feel like you're kicking ass & avoid frustration), I think a good trick is to take a couple evenings to put a podcast or an audiobook or a new album or something on in the background you wanted to listen to anyway, and then just fly around by yourself doing maneuvers and touch & gos on the runway, etc. until the flying enters your muscle memory, just like how you might grind early enemies in a normal-people game to get a handle on the controls (not a perfect analogy since those usually have a carefully calculated difficulty curve to make that unnecessary, but you know what I mean).
That's a good shout, we went for a "thrown into the deepend" approach but I think your method will make it way easier
Well done Gentlemen? I needed a good laugh today(It's CHRISTMAS)
I’m about 600 hours in and I’m still learning stuff. But recently, I realized I could use my left and right brakes instead of my rudder to control my airplane while going down the runway during takeoffs and landings. So much better and more stable
That's a really good tip, I'll be sure to try that when I can
In my opinion for what l have learned rudder and brakes are not good friends for take off and landing procedures.
Best things to do is in a take off use roll axe to stay lineup onto runway and also work for landing.
And to slow down your aircraft after landing use antiskid if available and mainly your elevator while all wheels are on ground then use your brakes softly btw 50-80kts.
And it’s important to avoid finish out of runway to manage landing speed btw 130-150kts have right rate of descend keeping constantly lineup to the runway and touch landing at the target point (it’s that huge white rectangle btw lineup line)
If you not lineup way to fast abort landing and try again 😇
@@petrmitchell4442 I don’t use my brakes for stopping until I have taxied and I’m in the hanger about to park. If I’m landing on a road then I’ll use my brakes to stop if I need to. I just tap my left and/or right brakes once around 100 to stay on the CL while taking off.
a horror game but worth it every step of the way
I drove into a tree first time and i didnt now how to close the little glass clap over your head so i flew with it being open xD
sounds about DCS to me
Tip. When landing u should be almost stalling on touchdown. Just glide down... not going 200+ knts 😂
Exact reason I try to get on the forums and teach new people. Dont take knowledge for granted.
it wouldn't be half bad if the startup procedure didn't take like 10 minutes. also idk if you experienced them but the lags aghhhhhhh
Yeah on startups I've started just doing the bare minimum to get in the air and going from there with the f18. The game hasnt been too laggy for me tbf
Try the viggen then, ready and up in the air after 2 minutes xd
f15c can be started up in 1 minute. Same with the harrier. The worst case I can think of is the F-14, requiring at least 5 minutes just because of alignment and all the external crap required to start it. But yeah it doesn't take anywhere close to 10 minutes. In 10 minutes I have started my JF-17, manually aligned it, inserted all the mission waypoints, configured the radios, the weapon systems and also asked ground for taxi clearance.
Can't wait for the Mudhen to come out and Jack can be in the jet with you.
This game has quiet the learning curve. Took me many hours to learn the f-16. And honestly it the only dlc i got but its so fun. If anyone thought about playing the game id say give it a try but being completely new to the game is HARD. Had the game over 2 years before i really got into it and tried learning it
Yeah, we're trialing some planes out, the f16 is definitely on the list
@@MJK-GC ive heard its the easiest plane to learn. Dont quote me on that tho haha
I remember these days... No rudder pedals... Hehe😂 Stick with it gents!
nah, i struguled a lot on my begining, but that's what i like, i like getting good because of knowledge acumulation instead of skills, that's what mke dcs so cool
Alright first thing we need to practice is go arounds...
Basic flying is something you can learn in almost every sim... DCS, IL2, MSFS, XPLANE... Name it.
Problem with DCS is that every module is like a sim itself, you have to learn how the plane you get works, the speeds, the weights, maneuvers you should do or avoid, it's strong points and all that stuff. Also, combat is different if you are flying a post WW2 plane like the mig 15 of you are flying a f18.
Getting hit from a missile you don't know where it comes from is so frustrating, that's why you have to learn the weapons systems and how they and the countermeasures works. Plenty of stuff, that's why it gets frustrating, but go baby steps and practice. There's tons of tutorials on CZcams.
Yeah definitely a learning curve to each plane but it's part of the fun and you really do have to pick vehicles you'll stick with for a while, it's got a weird charm to it
1. Dont dive into the runway
2. You can always go around
And why do you refuse to land *ON* the runway and stop *ON* the runway? its not even that hard, it is wider than your wingspan
It's hard when you're as abysmal as I am
no track ir no way. and yeah its a looong road but so worth it if you are really into aviation.
Yeah definitely thinking of getting track IR
For a beginner, this is the most cursed game.
Last words: HOW DO I FSCKIN EJECT
I realized something. DCS planes are really old. There is no F-35, F-22 or new Rafale for sale. If they are in a game it probably all mods, that we see on youtube. New planes probably much easier to fly, like in Ace Combat.
I think it's mostly licensing issues because it's not just the external image and cockpit, it's detailed on how to start it which might be an issue. Yeah probably a lot easier to fly the newer ones tho
I'm pretty sure half the stuff on those aircrafts are classified af.
that would be because in order to build an accurate simulation of an aircrafy you need everything for that aircraft to not be classified, pretty much any western aircraft that is still in service has some parts of it classified
NOT JACK
Fantastic editing.
Spent 6 hours getting the game to work. Got it working encoutured millions of bugs 11/10 would do again
Honestly recently Jack (red text) can barely get the game to run for an hour without crashing to desktop, no idea what's causing it
I was waiting for him to get smoked
I had DCS for 30 minutes. I spawned over some fucking Forrest and slowly crash. Then It happens 3 more times and I uninstall the shit
DCS could get around this problem with an Arcade mode that plays like a real arcade flight combat game you would find in the arcades. Points and just easy flight etc. This while providing some basic controls in the cockpit.. Kinda a step of difficulty below flaming cliffs to also provide action packed fun. From there provide a pathway to more increasingly complex and realistic simulation...., as in perhaps a step between flaming cliffs and DCS as well?
Warthunder....
I think this does kind of exist, but this issue has more to do with the community rather than the game itself, plus, it’s a realistic flight sim why not treat it like one
I think this does kind of exist, but this issue has more to do with the community rather than the game itself, plus, it’s a realistic flight sim why not treat it like one
Warthunder
But what would DCS gain from that? The game already has a lot of accessbility settings, cheats, editor and so on to make learning easier; and I do appreciate that, a lot. But if you dont wanna learn a complex sim, then you probably dont want to spend that much money on DCS in the first place. Even the "simple" planes require learning of the basic plane systems. Advanced planes cost 40-60 bucks even on sale after all.
And honestly, the main challenge in the vid seems to be basic flying, or really just landing. Landing an F15 requires some care, but its certainly not as difficult as a WW2 plane in IL2 Sturmovik or so. Theres nothing wrong with crashing a few times, thats part of the learning bit. Also makes for a fun video, evidently!
If you want super easy flying, people mentioned War Thunder, but Project Wingman/Ace Combat is on the ultra-arcade side and super fun.
Eject: Hold control and spam E
You fly better than me! Lol
i have finally fixed the 403 error problem and now i have to beg for a 7 dollar jet
Well holy shit this video blew up...good job my guy.
Ik right, it's insane to see how many people have watched, thank you
@@MJK-GC I'll give it to you, the video was good!
The video is from 5 months ago so you have probably improved but anyways I just wanted to say that yes, DCS is hard because flying military high performance aircraft is fucking hard. You have to study to a certain degree how stuff works and what they mean regarding avionics, aerodynamics, sensors, sounds and beeps, etc etc. So as a general advice, inform yourself about how to do stuff and then trying it out and practicing. You were trying to land a F-15 at 300 knots when their landing speed is around 150 knots. Just by googling about a DCS guide you could have found out and it would have saved a lot of attempts since it's not really trial and error. So a big advice is just to watch the tutorials, try them yourself and practice on what you've learnt. Do it enough on enough different aspects of a certain aircraft and you'll slowly master it.
Yeah the footage from all my DCS videos are from July 2022 so while I'm better at it now I'm still not good, I watched a few tutorials on basic start ups but we tried to do landings by trialing just to see how we could gauge more advanced but still beginner levil things, we did eventually look at guides tho to get better although it's been a solid 3 months since we've played
courage
This looks really god damm fun. I got into DCS recently i was actually trying to get onto it about in 2020 but i was poor. Retarded. And in general i did not had the atitude to do it. LoL
It is super fun with friends from what i have been seeing but sadly i have no interested friends and i do not now anybody whos willing to spend time with a dumbass like me. but hey, i have fun times crashing the SU-25T in to warships. Makes me remember of a plane in the pacific every time i do it.
Everyone talks about how horrible their airfeild landings are... but no one mentions the carrier landing with an F-18......
I think that's on a different video unless I'm mistaken?
@@MJK-GC Ah I must not have seen it.
@@benramirez6564 No worries
Question how do you play together. In a public server? Couldn’t quite figure that out with a friend
Jack (red text) set up a private server for us to play on
Next up: TrackIR :D
Honestly looked at it and before actually playing with my hotas I didnt think it was necessary but after we finished recording I took another look and it's definitely something I could use when I get the money for it
Your braking a little too hard at the start of the runway and need to put the plane down on the runway sooner, hopefully that helps!
Definitely a help
Yeah well you flew upside down wrong direction climbed and rolled instead of turning away and diving. I mean :D
In my defence I had no pedals nad accidentally hit my look dieal on the hotas
@@MJK-GC barely anyone have pedals, 90% only use the twisting joystick. (If you dont have even that then any 20$ stick will have it, until then X and Z keys will do the trick)
Luckily rudder is seldom needed, mostly for taxi-ing and crosswind landings. In the air during flight you can get by without.
@@odysseus9797 Yeah true, by no means am i good anyway as you can see by the video
How not to land tutorial.
I have installed DCS twice after watching the epic videos (once today and once about 4 years ago) and the controls are absolutely horrendous. I'm not sure you could come up with a worse set if you made that your goal.
The VR experience is silly. Trying to use your vr headset and keys and then trying to use the controllers to push the buttons with their completely unintuitive seeming random controls, I had to quit after 30 minutes of attempting to get through the tutorials. Which is a shame, because it looks like so much fun. If it had MSFS controls it would be great. Alas, it is unplayable for me
I thought it had simulated controls in the cockpit for VR??
@@Washeek sort of, the control of them is absolutely horrendous. So jankey and unintuitive
Yeah I've had no experience with any other flight sims because I was never into commercial aircraft so I thought DCS is more my alley so I have nothing else to compare to but I still find it fun because crashing and failing is part of the fun for me and my mates
@@MJK-GC I am very glad you could get over the learning curve. The VR control may be the issue
How do you fuckn eject is definitely something you don’t want to be ask as ur hurling towards the ocean and hundreds of miles per hours
fun times, what servers you usually play on?
My mate Jack (red text) creates his own private one and fills with bots
saw u on tt and u r fr funny
guis, do a lot of patient flight training first, bevor you go to war ;)
Cymru am byth???
Ydw
u gotta play GS, best way to learn PVP
Is that a server?
Growling Sidewinder’s server he prolly meant
@@MJK-GC yeah it's pretty friendly and casual as long as you don't friendly fire wich shouldnt be hard if you understand iff n stuff
@@mrgiggles40 it is so far from casual. That's where all the try hards go to play
@@deekamikaze thats why its the only way to learn and get good
"Thro'lle" No offence.
None taken, the accent is definitely unique
Do you guys have a dcs discord server?
Unfortunately not, besides it would probably be just us 2 plus you if you joined
@@MJK-GC Ah cool, am trying to get back into dcs. But cool content anyways
@@THECODFARTHER1000 We're probably gonna start playing again soon round the 20th, we haven't played in months, depends when we're free
@@MJK-GC if you need some cannon fodder just shout me
see u guys seem fun to play with but get a head tracker
We're definitely planning on it, we just wanted to make sure we enjoy it before we spent the extra money
@@MJK-GC see i did the oposite of you guys i got my set up then played and loved but yea vr is a great way to go but i highly recoment track ir 5 bes light weight and ease of use
@@MJK-GC I just started yesterday, but i am using Opentrack and AItrack with my webcam for head tracking. Seems to work pretty well once you adjust it. Maybe give that a go in the meantime.
don't use the ATC, it's broken
honestly wasnt that hard to get into. within 2 hrs i had my hotas set up, and was killin ppl in pvp with f18.
Press 'X' for 'Doubt'
@@thekirby53when i came into dcs i already had years flying x plane and p3d so aircraft handling wasn’t an issue but systems wise it was a steep curve for me. as you’d image these systems are much different from any high fidelity airliner i’ve flown
@@thekirby53 lol, your reaction speaks volumes about your insecurities
@@underzepump2905why are you like this?
@@1991USsoldier just people with nothing better to do
i dont understand how you can be this bad without it being intentional. so many of those approaches were just so bad idk why you didnt just go back around
Honestly with the bit more experience I have now yeah I can see that I was being dumb, genuinely thought it was slow enough
This is a technical simulation champ. Not really meant for you 3rd worlders. Stick to Ace Combat.
chill with the arrogance 💀💀
i’d smoke your ass in dogfight 10 times outta 10
We play a goofy game pretending to fly planes, stop taking yourself so damn seriously and have some fun
No dude. This is a game, that happens to simulate some things very well. People are allowed to play it however they like it.
Gate keeping a game you like is the silliest thing you can do, you need new players to fund development and expansion so you should welcome as many as you can no matter how experienced
Ralfiedude on youtube has awesome tutorial videos btw, highly recommend!(also don't bother with the AI ATC stuff its broken) Also look up 'Chucks Guides' super useful!
I hadn't heard of him before so I'll definitely check him out