Tiltrotator at work -benefits & drawbacks
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- čas přidán 2. 09. 2018
- A Tiltrotator attachment takes an excavator to the next level. But its Big money. We look at a steelwrist, How it works, cost & what it can do.
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I live next to the inventors of this, "Rototilt" in northern Sweden.
Finally. Welcome to the 90's americans 😧
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We bought a Encon tilt rotator last year for one of our Kubota 057-4's. For what we have used it for (home demolition, clearing, excavation, and utilities work) it has been a very worthwhile investment. It's not perfect for every situation, but I find myself jumping on the rotator machine almost every time I need an excavator.
I don't have the rotating version of this attachment but I do have the 90 degree swing attachment from Bobcat for my 4 ton excavator. Yes, you loose break out, probably about a third with a 36 bucket but the versatility is so worth it. I just bring the reg bucket for the digging and then switch to the swing to grade and swail perfectly, no shovels required. Thanks Stan for the info, now I have my next attachment to strive for.
I live in Sweden and I can tell you that no one (literally no one) with an excavator here are digging without a tiltrotator. The most people use engcon which doesn't have that hoses you need to remove before de-attaching the rotator :)
Some do. And if you go up in size they all are running without.
Are they $40,000.00 over there ? Pretty hard to justify on a smaller machine here in Australia
Det är humor att se amerikanska grävare som kopplar loss enbart grävskopa med den där stora fåniga sprinten hehe
@@fearlesswhetu4555 depends on the size, but they are expensive.
This would have been so handy to have on our old backhoe to dig a French drain. I could see so many uses for this.
I’m 16 and we got a little one of those from Home Depot to fix a pipe and with in a hour of dig o was wiping in it and it was so fun
In Sweden we call it rotortilt the other way around. And its true its been around here for as long as i know and almost every excavator has one or two attachments with the rotortilt function
I'm swedish too and it's actually "tiltrotator", cause one of our brands (indexator) is now named Rototilt wich is the oldest brand wich he mention in the video.
But yes, most of the time here in sweden we will call it rotortilt when we speak :)
I think the first got out on the market in the 80's,, sverige är lite före kan man säga
Well done for catching on , we use rototilt in the UK
Tv show idea... "Contractor Rescue" same take as "Bar Rescue" but you come in and assess the business and come up with a plan for success.
Love the Chanel and the intro
I’m in Seattle and I ordered an Engcon for my mini a week ago, excited to get it and have it installed! EC204, 3 buckets and grapple
sweet!
What does a set up like that cost?
You sir will never look back i think.
Eh, I run a mulched all the time, can’t use a tiltrotator with a mulcher
@@theawesomegamer2ytgaming86 can't or won't?
Stan, have you seen a Huddig? It blew my mind the first time I watched a video of one. I think it was at a trade show in Europe, and it was so nimble, they were doing food prep with it. And it was all by remote as well.
they're awesome
It's gonna take quite alot more than a month to get straight up effecient with a tilty, learning the buttons dosent take long, but getting to a point of being effecient with it takes alot longer. In Denmark we say to you are not effecient with one of thees till you reach the point of no longer having to think about what you have to do and how you wanna get that done, and one does not just learn that i a week :) Sorry for the reletivly bad English ;)
Can't live without it!!
Engcon is all im gonna say no need to get out and deal with hoses
steelwrist.com/int/products/quick-couplers/sq70/
Steelwrist also has a coupler like that. just like oilquick and other brands.
rototilt QuickChange™ my friend :) www.rototilt.com/en-us/products/couplers/quick-change/
I like how Stan change the definition of " a tick " from Minnesota terminology to Dirt Money!! Lol I'm from Minnesota and never heard of " a tick " until I seen Stan!
T VOYDS I heard that said in Wisconsin a couple times
It’s right there in the ballpark with scoche.
Yet another great video, Stan. You're the greatest at showing equipment at its best.
I got my first indeksator rotortilt R6 in 1999 on a Hitachi EX215 😁👍. I have steelwrist on my volvo 235EL now🤟😎
Tied in with a Trimble 2D Flex system, yes, it most certainly is worth it.
Love the video, thanks for sharing some great info
Thank you
Can't live without it
Buying a steelwrist was the best thing I have ever bought.
what is the approx cost for a #13000 mini?
I have been waiting so long for you to do a video on the tiltrotator. I want to see you do one on B wise dump trailers the ultimate dump trailer
Thanks for the suggestion and I will keep it in mind
Great video. What kind of cost is that looking to set up I wonder. Only down fall is all our original attachments you have now won’t work.
Finally you made a video about this! Great! That one tho looks a bit undersized for that machine, we north europeans like to use bit heavier dyty ones. It´s kinda funny watching American excavator videos, i´ts like going back to the 80's here in Finland, no "full sized" wheeled excavators in city areas, no tiltrotators, no 3D systems ect. You can call it maximizing the reliability, but to me its like comparing an axe to a chainsaw. Just waaaaaay more easy and efficient. No offence tho! :) Great example of what i mean: czcams.com/video/wAUyI9rG-Bw/video.html
Yeah, im swedish and i almost NEVER see an excavator without a rotortilt except those working in mines and quarries etc, seeing videos from the US just amazes me! There has to be a reason why stuff like the engcon rotortilt and other brands haven't caught on? and like you say: Absolutely 0 wheeled excavators! it's so weird seeing a track machine just roaring down the asphalt! haha! No critique to Americans but to me it's just so weird to watch!
Stan, what are your thoughts on wheeled excavators? They are popular in Europe and hardly used in the US.
So Stan ,the US finally got the knuckle well we have always had a machine that does what your saying it called a Gradall
Rotortilt is almost a must i would say
My dad has one its a steelwrist and encon they are actually really strong to Stan you should get one for your 7 tone excavator
There’s another attachment you can get it’s a flat broom about three meters wide it’s brilliant for road works clean ups
Dirt Ninja seems to love his tilt rotator!
I think he went to their plant.
Great vid
Nice in cabin footage. Do you use a gopro for in cab filming or something else? Thanks
I tell you what, if the powerball pays off tonight, I'm buyin' one of those Steel Wrist's for sure!
you recommended an excavator as the top landscaping tool, however, how about a video that compares skid steer, backhoe and excavator and if you get the chance to have a look at the JCB 1CX/1CXT let me know your thoughts
This is a good video I can tell before watching it lol
I'd like to try one of those with a flail mower on the boom
I priced out a Rototilt r2 today for a 6 ton mini $30,000!!!
Tbh encon, steelwrist, indexator, they all have drawbacks and benefits, but ive been operating excavators about 12 years now and never without a tiltrotator, its a sweet addition BUT the bad part is that if you never learned to run an excavator without a tiltrotator, you are crippled if its breaking or for some reason you dont have one avaible, so rather run without one for a year if possible and THEN learn with one.
I've been digging with Rototilt and Steelwrist my whole career, I feel like the quality isn't quite there yet on Steelwrist yet.
And I did not like the shape of that grading bucket, the "back" of it was too much forward towards the machine wich made the bottom and edge end up super long.
With that you lose even more "break out force" or what ever you call it. I know they do that cause you wanna be able to see and use the grapple better, but it sucks and I almost always take off my bucket before I lift something down in the trench anyway.
But there's a ton of bucket companys here in Sweden that tries to make them better and better, both shapes and strength.
Bucket back is desinged perfect and put in use every day. Want to know more then i can show you
Just to clarify a few things. Steelwrist hasnt been around for 20+ years the tiltrotator has. Indexator and rototilt pioneered the product in the 80:s. Not 100% of the excvataors in sweden uses them. I would say 9/10 in the 5>32ton class. Larger excavators ie EC380> dont use them. There is one EC380 on Gotland in sweden wich uses on but thats a 32t class tiltrotator beacause no1 makes one to truly work with 40t class machines.
Rototilt has announced they are making one for max 40tonn excavators if i remember correctly. Its called Rototilt R9. Imagine running a EC380 with that! Would love it even tho im a Engcon fan.
From my understanding. Engcon i think in the past tryed making a 40t tiltrotator and failed miserably. The breakout forces are just to big so you need to move nothing but gravel and sand when using one. If they somehow make it work i dont think that many would equip 40t excavators with one.
then engcon simply failed. i doubt Rototilt would release their 40t rotor if it didnt hold up. they do serious abuse tests when building tiltrotators
Ehm??, yes engcon failed like i sad?? Im sure Rototilt has a great product. I doubt thou that it will have as long durability as the smaller ones have. A 40T excavator is alot more expensive by the hour then a 30T. I might be wrong, it might be hugely popular and sell well but in my opinion i dont think so.
im hoping it'll be usefull. i'd even prob buy the 40t rotor for a 30-35ton machine just to have some beefier gear. im currently running engcons 30t rotor on my hitatchi 210! love the power of it.
We just got a tilt coupler for our cat 305.5, not a rotator wish we'd got one of those cause that'd really make it even more versatile. Already I've noticed several drawbacks. With the thumb, which had to be modified so it's now kind of an s shape instead of just straight, so it hangs down like a foot or so from the dipper. So now you can't curl the bucket even close to all the way up. That makes loading trucks with it a real pain. I spilled a LOT of crap loading the last few days, where I usually have very little if any cleanup around the truck. Definitely noticed quite a big loss of breakout force, probably makes a bigger difference on the smaller machine. I'm just not sure about it yet, I was really excited waiting on cat to install it but have been kinda let down so far. Haven't gotten a chance to use it for what it's meant for but that should change this week. I also wanna see how big of a difference it makes in hard clay and rock. Another thing, it's dramatically changed the throw of the bucket. It's taken some practice to get back in rythym. But just having the quick coupler probably makes it worth the drawbacks.lol
Marttiini has model wich has rotor and tilt separed units. czcams.com/video/E5YAYjF05lE/video.html
the angle of attack you can get far outweighs the brute power the machine can output. imho
35 years ago there was the Gradall not quite the rotator but had the tilt capability...I'm sure it could have been modified to do the same back then
Now check out the rotastar at a&d equipment
I want to buy a similar one, please how much?
I've seen one of those grapples give out sweets to kids at a show I was at
Interesting. I doubt he's operated an excavator his entire life.
Stan has operated an excavator, but he just isn’t great at it. He’s not near the skill level we are used to watching with Chris. He doesn’t use it often enough to be as efficient. And he even says in his videos that most of his operators that he hires are better than he is. So cut the guy some slack.
This attachment costs more than all Stan’s equipment combined.
@@TomJones-zm3kz no it doesn't and if u don't like stan f off and stop watching his vids
I agree, I can tell he is not smooth at all . Just the operation was jerky at best. He did say he operated all his life?.....
Looks like a big kids playground!
How much to install on an 8500 pound or 4 ton machine? Sany 35 U?
My uncle had a rotortilt on his old Åkerman H7 back in the middle-late 90s when i was a kid! I just cant wrap my head around why this still isn't a thing in the US? Americans are usually quick to adapt to progress and many times they create that progress?
Det är sån skillnad på svenskt och amerikanskt här. Känns som att de gör allt som vi gjorde på 70talet innan engcon
would've been nice to see the controls from in the cab...
Gradal (sp) has been around in the states along time
You cant really compare it tho
Check out dirt Ninja hes had one for like a year now, he has a endcon they have the hoses that attach themselves
Tiltrotators are great. But you need to think about fuel economy aswell. Having the tiltrotator on while trenching si not good for fuel economy. It is a lot of exstra wight on the boom and the machine works more to move the dirt with it on. And it puts unnesesary wear on the tiltrotator aswell.
2 biggest companys selling tiltrotators have the option to take it off with a switch, takes no longer then changing buckets.
It all depends on what you're digging for the most part, I have a semi-quick coupler wich is called "faster" and it takes me max 1min to take it off (I need no tools).
In what world don't you have 1min at work? ;)
Gravelpits don't use rototilt here. But every other exavator has them.
The only draw back is you did a review on a steel wrist.
Check out Duckgirl 86 to see a what a good operator can do with a rotator.
One thing about tiltrotators, never ever ever use them digging in big rocks. You will kill the tilrotator. Ohh and dont use them for leverage for dealing with frost, that also will kill the rotator
saw th gas company using this white digging in the roadway
I'd want the bucket edges to be straight rather than S shaped for ease of stocking/storing.fixing wear strips to replace the cutting edges.
On a normal bucket the flat edge along the front is the primary wear surface but on a tilt rotate you've got three front edges!
I'm surprised letsdig18 hasn't gone to that place.
He has and he has some videos up now of his visit this year.
Chris don't need one of those weird things he can do better without it
Yea plus it looks like a light duty Chris is a mostly heavy duty operation. Might be good for small jobs.
MiJaK123 actually he went there at the same time this guy did. The other excavators you here moving in the background is probably him.
LoL just today I ask that question
That would definitely take a little getting used to
accually not, super easy
We have Rototilts , best thing we did
Have you had any trouble with the rotator? Ours failed recently, $13,000 in parts from Rototilt. It only had a couple thousand hrs.
@@dalemcknight3699 I have broken mine once , but it was my own fault , I was lucky , very little damage , still a great bit of kit
Search: hydrema 926e with rototilt demonstration. On CZcams that’s an engcon
Wonder how much wear and tear goes on them over time? Those buckets without a bolt on cutting edge are not ideal for cutting/shaping. Nice concept but have no idea what they would cost to rebuild, some of those 84" chuck blades can cost north of 12K to rebuild so lol.
Buckets are cheap, the tiltrotator though is extremely costly, but quite worth it.
In sweden you can buy 6 new buckets for a 12k rebuild or 4 if you want a bucket sized for 20-30 ton machines and that's better quality then this bucket showed on video :)
Don't use these unless you can afford one cause you WILL want one!
Hi
Use engcon!
Rototilt they say over here. 😁👍
That is a brand and was the inventor of it. Say rototilt to engcon and they will correct you that is named tiltrotator.
Steelwrist stole engcon's hard work, all of their attachments are exact clones of the original engcon ones
Very true, It's unfortunate
Not really, Noreko/Rototilt is the original. Encon and Steelwrist are spin-off all from the same time period around 1985. Steelwrist is former Dento.
This guy can’t even get a decent hydraulic thumb and a Wedge quick-change on this cheap little Daewoo, why would he buy this apparatus. Does he even run equipment? All I see is a bunch of hot air on how he makes and loses money and filming himself in a gym. I see a lot of personal ego.
I got to agree , he seems full of hot air, and the amount of hand use for all vocalized speech, hard to watch...... the good thing is he does show the pieces he is interviewing...
Call osha, that spoils pile is not 2 feet from the trench. Lol
Use a tilt rotator everyday can’t image not using it.
Head over to a youtube channel for Hedblom, watch their excavator driver, skills!
NICE EASY TO RUN HYDRAULIC EQUIPMENT TRY RUNNING CABLE OPERATED EQUIPMENT FROM THE 40S.
Yes, I hear ya, B&E 25 or a 1066 Koehring with air over hydraulic for the controls
Gradall??
Stan has never seen a gradall
Can't really compare and excavator with a detachable tiltrotator with detachable equipment to a gradall.
Encon looks alot more compact these steelwrist looks a littlebit clumsy
Engcon 4ever
You can call them rototilt
If you want to see what can be done with Tiltrotator check out Duckgirl 86, Shes a surgeon with her machine!!!
Duckgirl 86:
czcams.com/channels/8DKUYhMBW5Evs4eGndbl-A.html
Good for finishing grading not for heavy digging a thumb is more useful.
We just called ROTOTILT in finland.
Slight loss in breakout force????? Lol
That set up is going to hurt Grade-all sales.
wont touch them people buy gradealls for the road legal part
chris yes, but Volvo is making a wheel excavator, capable of driving on the street. This combo will be the death of Gradall. Technology just keeps getting better and better and some stuff is a dinosaur.
And when it comes to municipalities they will need to buy and maintain one machine instead of two.
Every manuefacturer makes wheel excavators,at least here in north europe (Finland) they are allmost as common as tracked ones. And allmost all excavators (about 95%) have tiltrotators, i have never seen a gradall type machine here.
Just go watch hedblom and he can show u how to run one and duckgirl
I think it is just (finally) allowing for attachments on the digger side of a tractor so they decided to add tilt while they were at it. I see no real _advantage_ to the tilt here.
Excavator op my ass. Looks slow sloppy and maybe a weekend worrier once a year. Not his whole life.
If you really want to see what these things can do, go check out a channel called "duckgirl 86"
Haha "hard-on" steel
haha im from sweden and i had no ide that it was uncommon. i that almost every excavetor had that. only the biggest machines dont have that. werd americans ;)
You can’t lift a much with all the weight on your stick
you can, we lift 10 tonnes + rototilt with our volvo ec250dl,
Then u take the rototilt off!
I want to give a thumbs down for always having to adjust the volume! why does music have to be twice as loud as you guys talking? Some people have sleeping babies. Even if not it’s annoying to
Constantly adjust. Please fix it. I didnt give thumbs down though cause I love you
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