Actually, they use a solid block of metal with a smoothbore barrel, bolted to a giant block of steel bolted to the concrete floor. Some manufacturers do give you values for different barrel lengths, but it's almost always this setup. In the real world, temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, how tight or loose your rifling is in your barrel, how clean the barrel is, how much energy it takes to work the action, and the weight/stiffness of the shooter, will all affect your end velocity.
Range dude #1: "Man, Glocks have the worst triggers ever." Range dude #2: "Nah, nothing's worse than a bullpup trigger." Meta Tactical: "Hold my Busch Light."
These kinds of systems always bugged me a bit because the whole Glock mechanism is designed for the barrel to tilt up when the action cycles, and having a long barrel in there like that seems like it would wear down the locking block and slide a lot faster just from all that mass and leverage moving around. I guess if you're in a pinch in a SHTF scenario and need something you can control a bit better that can also send rounds at a bit higher velocity, it could be the way to go.
I agree with you Charles Van Noland it would also seem to me with a lot of rounds it wear it down would like to see it in 10mm only used for hog hunting or home defense price i would to see it in the $350.00 range,i use my glock 29 in a mck unit i like it without that long barrel situation
Not something I would spend the money on, but I won't pretend it isn't cool! They did a nice job dancing around legislation too it seems like, I'm glad to see the pistol chassis market is adapting and surviving.
Ordered two. One for CQC. One for sniping. Performs very well. No jams. No issues with frame. Rail system is great. Sighting with various scopes easy. I wish I had this when I was coping overseas.
Looking at the barrel on that Glock, it reminds me of that '88 Magnum' scene in Johnny Dangerously - Apparently, they also make them for Glock clones. If interested, they have one for the PSA Dagger, and P80s. This might be a fun little conversion toy for my Dagger, I've done too much to my G19 to undo it all for this but purposefully kept my Dagger stock. The fact that this can be swapped back/forth in a matter of minutes is great for a little variety at the range.
Ah shit, I haven't thought of that movie in years. I always loved watching it as a kid. Think I have it on DVD too, guess I should give it a watch. I always thought that red haired chick from Taxi was smoking hot!
New viewer, here. Great stuff, thank you! Informative, no bullsh*t presentation, minimal nonsense editing (or “jingling the keys” as I like to call it) and a solid take on the weapon/platform overall. Color me a fan! Subscribed.
thats what i just said..it shoudl be 299..just buy a 3d printer, you will be able to make this yourself in a few weeks..heck there are even better ones u can make then this. its easy to 3d print your own stuff
@MAC The round hole behind the mag well is a QD point, it's a metal insert into the plastic and works great. I think this weapon is too short for a two point sling so don't feel a need for a second attach point. Mine falls right to where my hand meets the grip when it's slung on a single point sling.
Coming from California, something tells me the vertical front handle, and adjustable rear stock would make the weapon illegal the second you put your Glock into the frame.
I've been emailing and messaging them when a .357 SIG barrel option will be available. One of the customer service representatives related that he was another big fan of .357 SIG... so there is a glimmer of hope. Figure gaining another couple hundred feet per second or more is realistic.
Actually… the booster works by using the explosion/expansion of gas to actually push the barrel rearward, or rather push the suppressor and barrel in opposite directions. Hence why it’s called a piston. Some people think the spring just allows movement but this is wrong it actually uses combustion to push just like a motor piston. If you don’t believe it, put a booster on a fixed barrel rifle and put the stick against a wall and the suppressor will be pushed forward if you watch it on slow motion video.
Agree on the price the CZ Scorpion bullpup kit was only 350 brand new. I got my kit 2 years ago for 250 there is no way I’m spending 500 to 600 on this. Especially since this and the CZ conversion are just novelty’s
Thank you for being objective and understanding. Not a fan of overcritical reviews. ie. “This Buick sucks compared to a Bugatti.” Ya….No kidding! Looks like fun. I’m in.
I bought one because I had an extra Glock 19 that I don’t use. I love this chassis for a fun shooter and it functions very well as a truck or home protection weapon. These guys and gals did their homework!
I love all things Glock. I am surprised that it ran that reliable with the long barrel. This little kit with some Underwood +p+ would definitely generate some serious downrange energy. Accuracy is gonna be Minute Of Hog at 50 yards and in but, that is way better than you can achieve with a handgun.
@Obi-Wan Kenobi Well, I use a Glock 17 with an Endotactical adapter on it and a RMR. Sometimes I run a G17L long barrel on it. The longer barrel only adds velocity. Since the optic is mounted to slide in my case but, the barrel floats inside your accuracy is gonna be about 6moa at best. Also I have used chassis that pistol clamps in like the micro-roni same deal. If you bench rest a gun like that and shoot at a paper plate size target at 50 yards, most would be in about a 3" circle. That would be about 6moa. The problem is you will have flyers that will be at the edge of the plate. It is basically like having an optic that is lose and flopping around. You take an AR9 on the other hand. Regardless of barrel length. I have uppers from 3 inch up. They will put a good group in. Just a ragged hole at 30-50 yards. And out group what the Glock will do at close distance at 100. Not to say these don't have their place. This little chassis he demonstrates would be a great option up close. For sure Minute Of Bad Guy inside of any home. Faster follow up shots. Way easier to shoot than the pistol.
My son is the head designer for Meta Tactical and, of course, of the Apex and he would give me almost daily updates on the tremendous amount of work they put in making this product reliable. They would not go to market until it ran reliably.
@@garypulliam3740 What bullpup rifle caliber or pistol caliber cost $500 in today's market? It's a niche item to be sure but if you want to get an extended range 9mm carbine without having to buy another gun this is it.
Yep. I've noticed the failure rate of factory center fire ammo has increased. It's not dramatic but it's noticeable. I had a primer pop out of a fired round of Winchester M855 and get stuck in the cam pin track on my BCG. When I fired the next round, the primer in the cam pin track got squished when the BCG tried to unlock and I had to remove my upper and beat my BCG out of the upper receiver with the cleaning rod so I could remove the primer from the cam pin track.
... I got all excited for a mo 😃,thinking it was the Glock AR!. Big love from the UK 🇬🇧🇺🇲 !. Wouldn't such a system be better,for the likes of a Beretta,for example (fixed barrel!).
i like it. think im gonna buy the kit. i also think we can stick something heat resistant but flexible up front so it wont affect reliability but reduce the wiggle and not scratch up the barrel. aluminum end cap you screw all 4 sides maybe in heat wrap or rubber so you can screw it on the front end
4 seconds into the video - watching the shell casing fall in slow motion. i'm haven't even seen the damn thing yet. Still, i am already committed to having one . thank you Glock. : )
Very interesting, I stand fully behind the viewpoint that guns can be fun for fun's sake to enjoy at the range. I really enjoyed the information regarding boosters/suppressors in relation to cycling reliability.
@@US2A Would 9mm Luger be a good round for target shooting (informal) or would it be too expensive? I always wanted a blued 1911 (less expensive clone) Commander 9mm. Thanks
I have a thing for short handy rifles. A two to six-pound weaker recoil spring should allow the slide to extract the empty cases with more authority. A carbine kit would be more interesting on pistols with more potential accuracy. Someone mentioned Brettas. I would add CZ-75s, CZ-P07, CZ-P09, and all the double-stack 1911s to the group. As Wyatt Earp noted, accuracy is everything," and Col. Whelen said, "only accurate rifles are interesting," so fixed barrel pistols, even in the lower powered 380 (9mm Browning) and 9×18mm Makarov would make interesting rifle conversions. Many of these pistols have pressed-in barrels, so the change would be permanent or require a gunsmith to make a way to change barrels.
There actually is a QD mount. It's underneath, just behind the magwell of the pistol. So you'd just need to put an m-lok QD attachment on the front somewhere, and then you're good to go. That's what I did, anway.
Just by a High Tower Armory bullpup chasis and throw a Hi-Point carbine in there. You will have a better system cheaper. And the fun factor with a suppressor is amazing
@Char Aznable it is by far may favorite bullpup setup in the fun factor. I own several types of bullpups too. You just cant beat the price and fun for that setup
I like it and I think it would be fine for a home defense weapon if you didn't have a rifle. It looks good and is very compact. I think it would help reliability and ejection if you used plus P ammunition. The extra power should help overcome the extra weight of that long barrel. I would like this in .40 cal or 10mm This thing would make an excellent prop gun for Sci-Fi movies. I would like to see a price closer to $350 on this system though. I could totally retrofit QD mounts on this thing. I mounted one on the side of one of those cheap M4 style collapsible stocks and it wasn't that hard. All I used was a cordless drill and some basic hand tools.
@@aledrpepg Yes you can but this is a lot shorter and more compact. The amazing thing about the bullpup configuration is you can have something that's completely legal but yet has an overall length that looks more like an SBR and it doesn't lose velocity the way you do with a short barrel. This thing isn't perfect but I think it would be a great choice with some plus P ammunition. I will probably never get it but if I had enough money to buy a bunch of things I don't really need I probably would. I do have a 3rd gen Glock 23 to put this thing in so maybe if I catch it on sale sometime. I'm pretty sure the Glock 19 version would work with it if I got a 9 millimeter slide.
The barrel moves about 1/2 inch up and down when the charging handle is racked. Also when it fires. Pretty sure the browning lockup isn’t meant for that much barrel weight. I see issues in this gums future. Imo.
They should provide for bedding the barrel. A heat resistant saddle that screw adjusts up just enough to support the barrel from the lower 3/16ths of its circumference should drastically tighten up those groups if it's barely hitting a man sized target from a 100 yards
that looks really clean machining. you have glocks laying around ? i have a house glock (22) and carry (42), range gun (gen 1 17) and another carry (27). i was thinking maybe get a few more but that would be an extravagance ? can you offer advise to people on how many glocks we should buy per year ? :-) i think maybe 2 is a good number then ? well, the days of collecting mosins for 99 each is over.
It would have been much more interesting to see a system like this for a Desert Eagle in 50.AE , That Thing Essentially has the gas system of a Rifle and should be way more accurate than a browning breach long barrel.
I like pistol caliber PDW's. Tried some of the PDW conversion kits that came out over the years. Nice to see these things finally working out. Any thoughts on the long term health of the Connecting Rod? Poly also I assume?
You are correct, it is a Glass Filled Fiber Polymer. Extremely durable. We’ve got around 12000 rounds on one of our test kits without any issues. We also provide a backup pin with each kit just in case you were to misplace it. Thanks for the feedback!
Glock 20, 16" barrel running the liberty defense 60 grain bullets get .223 level velocity numbers. Would make a wicked CQB gun with some mags of 180 grain XTPs on standby.
That is probably the best chassis I've seen yet. Sling mounts! You got it MAC it's 2023 that should just be a regular thing they add on all firearms and firearms accessories.
There's a QD sling mount on the rear under the stock adjustment lever. Looks like a screw hole but is actually a metal reinforced QD sling hole according to their site.
They should rename this chassis the "Buyer's Remorse." You'll always wish it was a Kris Vector, CZ Scorpion, IWI Tavor, etc. Reminds me of the PS90-ish chassis conversion for the Ruger 10/22.
Critical error with the slide release blocked by that metal ... Cut that extra metal with a saw, and sand to finish! Also, you can add sling mounts and a post for the bottom of the barrel in the front.
3 reviews I’ve watched on this conversion kit. First one that mentions the butt plate locking mechanism to potentially block the slide release on the gun. Nice catch! Learned something from each review tho. Ty
great content great review: to be honest I would be interested in a pistol carbine conversion if it were available for other pistol platforms besides just Glock such as Canik, S&W, or even Taurus etc. but it is cool I just do not own any models of a Glock just "yet".
The only conversion kit that actually locks the glock frame into an upper and feeds like a real carbine is from Norlite....unfortunately we probably wont see it in the US.
Hey boss....for those of us that 3d print...you can get a soldering iron, put a QD mount on the plastic where you want it...then use the soldering iron to heat it up, and sink it down into the plastic. boom - problem solved. (depending on depth of plastic on the chassis obviously)
as for the ejection slow mo situation...*shrug* hot knife a bit of rubber at an angle in there, glue it in? i dunno, just something to push the spent casings out. thanks for doing this video - super fun!!!
I keep hearing of this federal penalty of 10 years $250,000. Yet I have never seem anyone convicted of this charge as a stand alone charge. I also have never heard of the same punishment brought to someone who committed a adjoining crime (say a bank robbery, murder, or assault) where the more serious charge was the conviction and the ATF federal violation wasn't dropped.
At 15:32 there appears to be a socket on the bottom behind the magwell. I couldn't see for sure, but looked possibly like a QD. Also, you can use m-lok Qd accessories for mounting a sling possibly. I'd try for accuracy with an LPVO like a 1-4 and I bet it would improve. ;)
Good presentation and glad I saw it. The flaws:, inaccuracy, inability to use a can, no sling points, potential for casing to fully eject are why I wouldn't buy. If on the other hand a G20 and can could be used I would reconsider.
With the longer barrel and more muzzle velocity, I assume it could be utilized as a Personal Defense Weapon. Some simple iron sights would be nice. A rail could be attracted at the front end sides and a sling swivel attached to either side and 550 type cord through the adjustable stock depression at the rear. I agree with you that it should have some irons designed into the piece. Thanks for the video. Next, someone needs to come up with a multiple magazine carry system for different and similar mag sizes.
Glad me mentioned on the wiggle of the barrel. Don’t know much of anything on glock or conversation kits and this caught my eye for something fun and goofy to bring out in front of the guys while shooting.
A better idea would be for a company to invent a bullpup chassis with a 16 in barrel to fit the trigger pack of a SIG 320 or 365 were the trigger pack would be the actual trigger for the whole unit. Who wants a trigger pushing on another trigger to fire the gun?
I feel like THAT is the barrel that ammo companies chronograph their ammo with.
Bro every single time i look at the stats on the box im like "thats all well and good, but what barrel?"
Wouldn't surprise me
Actually, they use a solid block of metal with a smoothbore barrel, bolted to a giant block of steel bolted to the concrete floor. Some manufacturers do give you values for different barrel lengths, but it's almost always this setup.
In the real world, temperature, humidity, atmospheric pressure, how tight or loose your rifling is in your barrel, how clean the barrel is, how much energy it takes to work the action, and the weight/stiffness of the shooter, will all affect your end velocity.
300 Blackout load data using 20" barrel for stated velocities. Typical.
@@xsterawesome thats a whole lot of great information thank you sir
Range dude #1: "Man, Glocks have the worst triggers ever."
Range dude #2: "Nah, nothing's worse than a bullpup trigger."
Meta Tactical: "Hold my Busch Light."
Those that think Glocks have bad triggers, just don't know how to use them 😅
Someone is from Iowa.
@M.J .H not I. 😅
Those that think Glocks have bad triggers...?🤔
@@kevinanderson2238
Busch light. Iowa is the capital of Busch light.
LOl!
If Jack Nicholson’s Joker used a Glock.
would of been a different movie... the bad guy has to lose remember
😂😂
Yep
I’d love to see a Joker version of this (acid green and plum crazy purple) with a joker graphic adorning it.
😂 We absolutely need to do this. Great idea! Thanks for checking out the APEX!
A 10mm version may be something wonderful
1000% Agree
First thing I thought of when I saw this!
just checked, its offered in the drop downs on the site
10mm + switch :)
.357 sig 😜
These kinds of systems always bugged me a bit because the whole Glock mechanism is designed for the barrel to tilt up when the action cycles, and having a long barrel in there like that seems like it would wear down the locking block and slide a lot faster just from all that mass and leverage moving around. I guess if you're in a pinch in a SHTF scenario and need something you can control a bit better that can also send rounds at a bit higher velocity, it could be the way to go.
You can get a Mechtech slide that turns your glock into a carbine ... I got one that turns my Glock 30 into a 10mm carbine.
I agree with you Charles Van Noland it would also seem to me with a lot of rounds it wear it down would like to see it in 10mm only used for hog hunting or home defense price i would to see it in the $350.00 range,i use my glock 29 in a mck unit i like it without that long barrel situation
I think these kinds of systems would be far more interesting if they were made for a beretta platform, or something similar, for just this reason.
If you can afford the volume of ammunition you would need to burn to wear out the locking block, you can easily afford a new pistol.
@@josephmeador1529 By the time you do all that, just buy a real bullpup.
Not something I would spend the money on, but I won't pretend it isn't cool! They did a nice job dancing around legislation too it seems like, I'm glad to see the pistol chassis market is adapting and surviving.
dancing?
Ordered two. One for CQC. One for sniping. Performs very well. No jams. No issues with frame. Rail system is great. Sighting with various scopes easy. I wish I had this when I was coping overseas.
0:10 reminds me of that long a$$ revolver joker pulled out of his pants in Batman(1989)
Colt buntline special
I was thinking the same! Great scene!
Looking at the barrel on that Glock, it reminds me of that '88 Magnum' scene in Johnny Dangerously - Apparently, they also make them for Glock clones. If interested, they have one for the PSA Dagger, and P80s. This might be a fun little conversion toy for my Dagger, I've done too much to my G19 to undo it all for this but purposefully kept my Dagger stock. The fact that this can be swapped back/forth in a matter of minutes is great for a little variety at the range.
Ah shit, I haven't thought of that movie in years. I always loved watching it as a kid.
Think I have it on DVD too, guess I should give it a watch.
I always thought that red haired chick from Taxi was smoking hot!
"You fahrgin' bastages! You fahrgin' iceholes!"
It shoots through school's! 😂
I own one as well, I agree completely with your assessment. I have it in 10mm. I have had zero issues.
Even if you don't like the bullpup the novelty of having that long of a barrel on a handgun is just beautiful.
New viewer, here. Great stuff, thank you! Informative, no bullsh*t presentation, minimal nonsense editing (or “jingling the keys” as I like to call it) and a solid take on the weapon/platform overall. Color me a fan! Subscribed.
$500 plus price of optic makes this a pricey range toy. I think I will stick to my MCK gen 2 that I picked up for $150 from Arms Unlimited.
Same with me brother
thats what i just said..it shoudl be 299..just buy a 3d printer, you will be able to make this yourself in a few weeks..heck there are even better ones u can make then this. its easy to 3d print your own stuff
@MAC The round hole behind the mag well is a QD point, it's a metal insert into the plastic and works great. I think this weapon is too short for a two point sling so don't feel a need for a second attach point. Mine falls right to where my hand meets the grip when it's slung on a single point sling.
@gijefftek thanks for stepping in here! We appreciate the support!
@@metatactical does the barrel have a fully supported chamber?
I got the psa dagger Version in od Green i love it ! It's An Awesome Setup! , very accurate at 100 yard .
Coming from California, something tells me the vertical front handle, and adjustable rear stock would make the weapon illegal the second you put your Glock into the frame.
Looks like theymay have changed the barrel profile since we tried one last summer.
Something like this in 357sig is a dream of mine. If I can touch rifle speeds with a 4inch barrel...16inch would be nuts
BBI chart for 357 Sig is : 16" 1768(115gr) 1723(125gr) 1500(125gr) 1723(125gr)
I've been emailing and messaging them when a .357 SIG barrel option will be available. One of the customer service representatives related that he was another big fan of .357 SIG... so there is a glimmer of hope.
Figure gaining another couple hundred feet per second or more is realistic.
1450 fps isn't even close to rifle speeds... add another 1000 fps and you are there.
You can be the Joker shooting down the Batwing, and Michael Keaton was the best Batman 🤗
The only comment I was hoping to find 😂
Actually…
the booster works by using the explosion/expansion of gas to actually push the barrel rearward, or rather push the suppressor and barrel in opposite directions. Hence why it’s called a piston. Some people think the spring just allows movement but this is wrong it actually uses combustion to push just like a motor piston.
If you don’t believe it, put a booster on a fixed barrel rifle and put the stick against a wall and the suppressor will be pushed forward if you watch it on slow motion video.
You’ve heard of “stendo” mags and now we have the new Stendo Barrel!!!
Wonder how it would do with non tilting barrel system like a baretta 92... price is about twice what it should be
FiveSeven Would be great.
Beretta makes a nice 9mm carbine that uses 92F mags. CX Storm.
Agree on the price the CZ Scorpion bullpup kit was only 350 brand new. I got my kit 2 years ago for 250 there is no way I’m spending 500 to 600 on this. Especially since this and the CZ conversion are just novelty’s
remember, you're paying for the chassis AND a barrel.
Would go so well on a Beretta or a rotating lock Chinese pistol
Thank you for being objective and understanding. Not a fan of overcritical reviews. ie. “This Buick sucks compared to a Bugatti.” Ya….No kidding! Looks like fun. I’m in.
I bought one because I had an extra Glock 19 that I don’t use. I love this chassis for a fun shooter and it functions very well as a truck or home protection weapon. These guys and gals did their homework!
I love all things Glock. I am surprised that it ran that reliable with the long barrel. This little kit with some Underwood +p+ would definitely generate some serious downrange energy. Accuracy is gonna be Minute Of Hog at 50 yards and in but, that is way better than you can achieve with a handgun.
I’d say the accuracy will be plenty adequate. 16’’ barrel should stabilize that 9mm pretty well.
@@obi-wankenobi1750 you clearly missed the part where the barrel is wobbling around freely...
@Obi-Wan Kenobi Well, I use a Glock 17 with an Endotactical adapter on it and a RMR. Sometimes I run a G17L long barrel on it. The longer barrel only adds velocity. Since the optic is mounted to slide in my case but, the barrel floats inside your accuracy is gonna be about 6moa at best. Also I have used chassis that pistol clamps in like the micro-roni same deal. If you bench rest a gun like that and shoot at a paper plate size target at 50 yards, most would be in about a 3" circle. That would be about 6moa. The problem is you will have flyers that will be at the edge of the plate. It is basically like having an optic that is lose and flopping around. You take an AR9 on the other hand. Regardless of barrel length. I have uppers from 3 inch up. They will put a good group in. Just a ragged hole at 30-50 yards. And out group what the Glock will do at close distance at 100. Not to say these don't have their place. This little chassis he demonstrates would be a great option up close. For sure Minute Of Bad Guy inside of any home. Faster follow up shots. Way easier to shoot than the pistol.
My son is the head designer for Meta Tactical and, of course, of the Apex and he would give me almost daily updates on the tremendous amount of work they put in making this product reliable. They would not go to market until it ran reliably.
@@americanbychoice4301 Nice, it looks like they did a good job. Have you had a chance to shoot one yet?
Underwhelmed for total price
If there were a good price drop on the 9mm tavor this thing wouldn't have a market.
Yeah, there are several PCCs that cost less and take Glock mags
It's ok for what it is. Cheap 9mm bullpup with a preexisting gun.
@@jeremyf9828 No. It's not. Take the $500 and apply it to a real bullpup and keep your Glock to use as it is intended ... as a pistol.
@@garypulliam3740 What bullpup rifle caliber or pistol caliber cost $500 in today's market? It's a niche item to be sure but if you want to get an extended range 9mm carbine without having to buy another gun this is it.
Yep. I've noticed the failure rate of factory center fire ammo has increased. It's not dramatic but it's noticeable. I had a primer pop out of a fired round of Winchester M855 and get stuck in the cam pin track on my BCG. When I fired the next round, the primer in the cam pin track got squished when the BCG tried to unlock and I had to remove my upper and beat my BCG out of the upper receiver with the cleaning rod so I could remove the primer from the cam pin track.
I always thought Winchester ammo was trash in general.
A px4 might be a better platform for this. No sloppy barrel.
Good vid. Really appreciated the explanation of the Browning action and how it's affected by the long heavy barrel.
I second this.
... I got all excited for a mo 😃,thinking it was the Glock AR!. Big love from the UK 🇬🇧🇺🇲 !. Wouldn't such a system be better,for the likes of a Beretta,for example (fixed barrel!).
i like it. think im gonna buy the kit. i also think we can stick something heat resistant but flexible up front so it wont affect reliability but reduce the wiggle and not scratch up the barrel.
aluminum end cap you screw all 4 sides maybe in heat wrap or rubber so you can screw it on the front end
4 seconds into the video - watching the shell casing fall in slow motion.
i'm haven't even seen the damn thing yet. Still, i am already committed to having one .
thank you Glock. : )
I know It's most likely sponsored content but still fantastic work. Thanks for all the years of content.
Very interesting, I stand fully behind the viewpoint that guns can be fun for fun's sake to enjoy at the range. I really enjoyed the information regarding boosters/suppressors in relation to cycling reliability.
Most guns are for fun for me, I have plenty I don't need. Their my toys
@@US2A Exactly, I don't hunt or compete, just enjoy what they are and see how accurate/precise I can be just for fun.
@@US2A Would 9mm Luger be a good round for target shooting (informal) or would it be too expensive? I always wanted a blued 1911 (less expensive clone) Commander 9mm. Thanks
@@bobhill3941 25 cents a round is cheaper than .45acp lol. I don't think it's too expensive, .22s just aren't fun.
When the trigger was pulled the first time, I expected a flag that said "BANG" to unroll from the barrel.
I converted my G17 bought around 1986 into a rifle a few years ago . I think that frame is better than AR frames .
Screw the chassis I just want the comically long barrel
Interesting. I’ll stick to my sub 2000
Me too
My sub 2000 is awesome
I have a thing for short handy rifles. A two to six-pound weaker recoil spring should allow the slide to extract the empty cases with more authority. A carbine kit would be more interesting on pistols with more potential accuracy. Someone mentioned Brettas. I would add CZ-75s, CZ-P07, CZ-P09, and all the double-stack 1911s to the group. As Wyatt Earp noted, accuracy is everything," and Col. Whelen said, "only accurate rifles are interesting," so fixed barrel pistols, even in the lower powered 380 (9mm Browning) and 9×18mm Makarov would make interesting rifle conversions. Many of these pistols have pressed-in barrels, so the change would be permanent or require a gunsmith to make a way to change barrels.
There actually is a QD mount. It's underneath, just behind the magwell of the pistol. So you'd just need to put an m-lok QD attachment on the front somewhere, and then you're good to go. That's what I did, anway.
Makes me wonder if any 3d printed chassis's have been made like this.
maybe... There are a lot of chassis systems available in the 3d groups, not sure I've seen a bullpup version though...
If not there will be!
Just by a High Tower Armory bullpup chasis and throw a Hi-Point carbine in there. You will have a better system cheaper. And the fun factor with a suppressor is amazing
Gross, hi point
@@920utdoors9 also, gross, bullpup.
@Char Aznable it is by far may favorite bullpup setup in the fun factor. I own several types of bullpups too.
You just cant beat the price and fun for that setup
Weird seeing the barrel move so much in “rifle” configuration. Great video as always
That looks funky ,seeing that barrel jump up and down, but I like the concept.
I like it and I think it would be fine for a home defense weapon if you didn't have a rifle. It looks good and is very compact. I think it would help reliability and ejection if you used plus P ammunition. The extra power should help overcome the extra weight of that long barrel. I would like this in .40 cal or 10mm
This thing would make an excellent prop gun for Sci-Fi movies. I would like to see a price closer to $350 on this system though.
I could totally retrofit QD mounts on this thing. I mounted one on the side of one of those cheap M4 style collapsible stocks and it wasn't that hard. All I used was a cordless drill and some basic hand tools.
for $500-600 you could just buy a keltec sub 2k gen 2 in 9mm for home defense with a box of hollows to spare. or even build your own AR-15 lmao
@@aledrpepg Yes you can but this is a lot shorter and more compact. The amazing thing about the bullpup configuration is you can have something that's completely legal but yet has an overall length that looks more like an SBR and it doesn't lose velocity the way you do with a short barrel.
This thing isn't perfect but I think it would be a great choice with some plus P ammunition. I will probably never get it but if I had enough money to buy a bunch of things I don't really need I probably would. I do have a 3rd gen Glock 23 to put this thing in so maybe if I catch it on sale sometime. I'm pretty sure the Glock 19 version would work with it if I got a 9 millimeter slide.
I have been tempted to buy a 16" barrel for years. Now I have a good reason
Hopefully, the PSA Daggers will work in these contraptions too
Got one yesterday for a G21 and noticed the 16" barrel has conventional
rifling, not polygon. For me personally, that's a feature not a bug. YMMV
Round velocity would be cool to see!
The barrel moves about 1/2 inch up and down when the charging handle is racked. Also when it fires. Pretty sure the browning lockup isn’t meant for that much barrel weight. I see issues in this gums future. Imo.
Erroneous There's way to much barrel movement for prolonged shooting IMO also.
They should provide for bedding the barrel. A heat resistant saddle that screw adjusts up just enough to support the barrel from the lower 3/16ths of its circumference should drastically tighten up those groups if it's barely hitting a man sized target from a 100 yards
that looks really clean machining. you have glocks laying around ? i have a house glock (22) and carry (42), range gun (gen 1 17) and another carry (27). i was thinking maybe get a few more but that would be an extravagance ? can you offer advise to people on how many glocks we should buy per year ? :-) i think maybe 2 is a good number then ? well, the days of collecting mosins for 99 each is over.
It would have been much more interesting to see a system like this for a Desert Eagle in 50.AE , That Thing Essentially has the gas system of a Rifle and should be way more accurate than a browning breach long barrel.
I'm surprised no one has come up with that. That would be cool.
You saved me some typing
It’s all about recovering your investment. How many people have a 50ae vs how many have glocks?
A true free floating barrel lol...
Glock. Perfection *after market accessories may apply*.
Wow I actually thought Glock was going to do something different but....they didn't 😂
I'm definitely picking one up for myself. I like OD green myself so that's the route I'm gonna go
On the bottom of the chassis by the mag port there is a quick release sling hole for a single point sling.
They should make suppressor version for Beretta PX4 since the action of the pistol is Rotating Barrel
I like pistol caliber PDW's. Tried some of the PDW conversion kits that came out over the years. Nice to see these things finally working out. Any thoughts on the long term health of the Connecting Rod? Poly also I assume?
You are correct, it is a Glass Filled Fiber Polymer. Extremely durable. We’ve got around 12000 rounds on one of our test kits without any issues. We also provide a backup pin with each kit just in case you were to misplace it. Thanks for the feedback!
Looks cool. Wish them the best in sales.
If Glock didn't suck they would start making carbines.
Now i need this system in .22 TCM
surprised you didn't get the G20 one in perfect centimeter
Thanks, Tim, for your Always frank and honest reviews ! Range toy ? For sure ! Good one ? Definitely!
Tim, Please keep them coming !!
This seams like a fun range toy and like you said not everything has to be practical
for 500 dollars it really should
@@adrianmizen5070 depends on how you define practical. In most defensive gun uses you just point a gun at the perp and they run off after that.
Glock 20, 16" barrel running the liberty defense 60 grain bullets get .223 level velocity numbers. Would make a wicked CQB gun with some mags of 180 grain XTPs on standby.
I like the foregrip idea, you could put that on your other PCCs that take glock mags. Very cool
Have you tried a lighter recoil spring in the bullpup yet??
Just was about to ask that.
That is probably the best chassis I've seen yet. Sling mounts! You got it MAC it's 2023 that should just be a regular thing they add on all firearms and firearms accessories.
There's a QD sling mount on the rear under the stock adjustment lever. Looks like a screw hole but is actually a metal reinforced QD sling hole according to their site.
They should rename this chassis the "Buyer's Remorse." You'll always wish it was a Kris Vector, CZ Scorpion, IWI Tavor, etc. Reminds me of the PS90-ish chassis conversion for the Ruger 10/22.
It's a shame they don't make one for the G32. 357 Sig would probably be pretty wicked out of a 16" barrel.
Email their customer service and let them know! I've been! 😁
Could you try reviewing the platypus 1911? It's a 2011 that takes a familiar mag
Are they…… Glock mags?
@@mattwalters6834 yes
Is it Generation sensitive, and does it matter if you have a 17 instead of a 19?
He said that you need to specify what model you have when you get the barrel. 3:50 is where he mentions this.
Yes, he said you need to specify which firearm you have.
On their website it says Gen 3 and newer. But they also list the chassis for PSA and Smith and Wesson as well as P80
@@schneir5 What about Generation?
Critical error with the slide release blocked by that metal ... Cut that extra metal with a saw, and sand to finish! Also, you can add sling mounts and a post for the bottom of the barrel in the front.
3 reviews I’ve watched on this conversion kit. First one that mentions the butt plate locking mechanism to potentially block the slide release on the gun. Nice catch! Learned something from each review tho. Ty
great content great review: to be honest I would be interested in a pistol carbine conversion if it were available for other pistol platforms besides just Glock such as Canik, S&W, or even Taurus etc. but it is cool I just do not own any models of a Glock just "yet".
I believe they do make it for smith and wesson.
They're working on rolling out several other brands as well
The only conversion kit that actually locks the glock frame into an upper and feeds like a real carbine is from Norlite....unfortunately we probably wont see it in the US.
Hey boss....for those of us that 3d print...you can get a soldering iron, put a QD mount on the plastic where you want it...then use the soldering iron to heat it up, and sink it down into the plastic.
boom - problem solved.
(depending on depth of plastic on the chassis obviously)
as for the ejection slow mo situation...*shrug* hot knife a bit of rubber at an angle in there, glue it in? i dunno, just something to push the spent casings out.
thanks for doing this video - super fun!!!
Not any word how much the muzzle velocity increases by the long barrel.
Thank you! Always injoying you're videos ! Hope I get time to talk to you at an event this year Braden and several of you like minded guys !
Cheers from Brazil!
I'd use this for the Glock 20. 10mm goodness in bullpup form.
I keep hearing of this federal penalty of 10 years $250,000. Yet I have never seem anyone convicted of this charge as a stand alone charge. I also have never heard of the same punishment brought to someone who committed a adjoining crime (say a bank robbery, murder, or assault) where the more serious charge was the conviction and the ATF federal violation wasn't dropped.
This in 357sig and 10mm could be very interesting.
You know i always felt like my Glock was too light, too accurate, and too easily concealable. This solves all of these problems
Imagine creating a "high caliber revolver with interchangeable barrel" easily convertable into a sniper rifle chassis, that easily fits in a backpack.
Google contender pistols
At 15:32 there appears to be a socket on the bottom behind the magwell. I couldn't see for sure, but looked possibly like a QD. Also, you can use m-lok Qd accessories for mounting a sling possibly. I'd try for accuracy with an LPVO like a 1-4 and I bet it would improve. ;)
Good presentation and glad I saw it. The flaws:, inaccuracy, inability to use a can, no sling points, potential for casing to fully eject are why I wouldn't buy. If on the other hand a G20 and can could be used I would reconsider.
Needs a digital round counter and underslung flame thrower.
With the longer barrel and more muzzle velocity, I assume it could be utilized as a Personal Defense Weapon. Some simple iron sights would be nice. A rail could be attracted at the front end sides and a sling swivel attached to either side and 550 type cord through the adjustable stock depression at the rear. I agree with you that it should have some irons designed into the piece. Thanks for the video. Next, someone needs to come up with a multiple magazine carry system for different and similar mag sizes.
You already can have multiple mags carried on the gun.
Not gunna lie, the design is pretty sexy and not too ridiculous or cheap looking. Looks like a fun range toy
This is great way to slowly get somebody into shooting rifles who are scared just bigger guns
You look particularly happy during this video which makes me happy
Glad me mentioned on the wiggle of the barrel. Don’t know much of anything on glock or conversation kits and this caught my eye for something fun and goofy to bring out in front of the guys while shooting.
i was sold when you showed left handed😃 i like to shoot for fun.
Just seeing you shoot that glock with that barrel made my day. Thank you Sir, thank you. The rest of this video is just icing on the cake
now, imagine how fun that would be with a switch installed :)
A better idea would be for a company to invent a bullpup chassis with a 16 in barrel to fit the trigger pack of a SIG 320 or 365 were the trigger pack would be the actual trigger for the whole unit. Who wants a trigger pushing on another trigger to fire the gun?
Great review with unbiased comments!
That barrel is flopping in that casing as if there's no tomorrow. 🤣