Bioware Scrambled To Save The Dragon Age: The Veilguard Reveal
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As the planks of Theseus' ship needed repair, it was replaced part by part, up to a point where not a single part from the original ship remained in it, anymore. ls it, then, still the same ship this same question can be applied to bioware
They use to make some very good companions in looks and style. They lost some in inquisition and they lost in Veilguard. They evan made a old guy the Necromancer a romanceable charecter, really a lod man, that's why I didn't romance Blackwall because he was old and not very good looking. They need to look at the Orientals on making beautiful charecters. I always look forward to the new games and always get disappointed. 😢
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Dont fall for the narrative that the gameplay trailer is way bettter than the reveal trailer, they both suck.
it doesnt helps, theat everyone was able to look up the Inquisition looks or Harding And Varric and ask yourself, WHAT HAPPEN? why are they looking so different?? Like colour change of hair of Varric and Harding had not tiktok-filter freckles in the last game. wtf.
"And then EA got involved" basically sums up every failure of every company they own since The Sims 1, honestly.
Except that BioWare sabotaged itself since Dragon Age Inquisition. Mass Effect Andromeda, Anthem, Dragon Age :Veilguard and the eventual Mass Effect 5 are all bad games and all the responsibility lies on BioWare. EA is only their publisher on those games
What evidence do u have that ea is hands off with bioware.
Did ea buy bioware and the employees are like cool let's all quit because we have a bigger budget and freedom now?
@@PEC0TTO EA owns the studio man, they're the ones that call the shots at Bioware.
@@lov_eli I suggest you to take a few minutes and research Anthem, Mass Effect Andromeda and DragonAge Veilguard (previously Dreadwolf) development hell, and you'll see that all EA did was making a budget and a dealine. BioWare is responsible for the failure of 2 projects (Anthem and Mass Effect Andromeda) and with the few reveals of their new game, it doesn't seem this one is gonna fare that good.
@@PEC0TTO Bioware is EA, EA is Bioware. Same company.
Investors and CEO’s only understood that games make money so they got involved. They never learned WHY games make money though, so now we only get slop created by people who don’t know how to cook.
Or psychology major creating store fronts with a game facade
They have become my favorite Skinner boxes.
True. Finally, gamers are getting it. We need to let AAA fail so the greedy investors and businessmen leave. Once they are gone, all that will remain will be those who think money is secondary to a fun game. Think of it like chemo for Gaming Industry.
@SimuLord Sadly, they end up getting dejected and crunched to death making a game they know is bad. That's why Biowares talent fled. How many endless crunch cycles on games you hate would it take to kill someone's passion to create?
@@valekofastora1027that’s not exactly fair is it? Why shouldn’t devs want to make money? They have to eat and pay rent as well, the “money should be secondary to you when making game” attitude exists a lot in the Japanese game industry and has led to some extremely poor working conditions
Problem is that people are sick of the Marvelization of characters and tone. Its that same kinda dumbass tone where thery're kinda quirky and kinda silly. They dont take themselves seriously but have the skills to get the job done. Personally I just cant stand that style of writing and I cannot wait for this trend to die out.
Did you even watch the video? The game is nothing like that first trailer.
@@cablefeed3738 gameplay could be god tier, best in the industry and set the bar for everyone else. However if the characters you interact with aren't pleasant to be around and the overall tone fo the writing leaves a bad taste in ones mouth the gameplay dont mean shit.
@@RageRaccoon The voice lines in the gameplay seemed the exact same as they were an Inquisition. There's not any extra lulls, so mean in the actual gameplay conversations
Exactly. Buffy came and went. Marvel came and went (no matter what Disney says). I've had my fill of Joss Whedon knock off writing.
@@cablefeed3738 that may be the case but first impressions are everything. Also who's to say they haven't cherry-picked the dialogue they knew people would like. Then behind the scene they are going "oh shit, oh fuck, oh no, this is gonna bomb."
can we destroy biowares phlactery im tired of them puppeting the corpses of things i loved
Phylactory good one
Always hated how EA butchered and shut down studios since the 90s. First time, im rooting for them. Weird feeling.
Put a woman in it and make it gay
We live in a time where this joke would be considered a deep cut.
Maker help us all.
If it makes you feel any better they're just another corpse being puppeted. The Litch we seek is EA.
all the old dragon age bioware devs have been ethier fired or quit. bioware has no idea how to make games anymore
Some have left for a second time since DA4 started development.
Who cares I get what I want more dragon age inquisition
The writers who made the story have been there since Origins though.
@@biggydx Hopefully they will be the saving grace for Bioware since story is what's really important for Bioware games.
@@biggydx Not really...
Gaider left Bioware, Baudion died, Berry left, Erickson left, Dombrow left, Helper left, Kirby left, Kristjanson left, Laird left, Turner left, May left...
Only a few of the the writers are still at Bioware.
Thankfully, bioware saved me $80 with their multiple reveals.
Same.
I am NOT going to waste my time and money on this turd.
same
Good for you, why are you watching this video then? It's not agreeing with your opinion and giving things a discussion, clearly you want to go back to the echo chamber.
@@AlexWaffor! I watched the video but still don’t want to buy the game.
Not changing my opinion doesn’t mean I want an echo chamber; it means no one made a good argument for me to change my mind.
@@frostmagemarii Fair, but negative comments and doomposting is not productive for anybody, imo. CZcamsrs clickbait with crazy exaggerated negative titles, people go comment "yeah that sucks, I hate it" and the cycle continues. Sometimes I feel games should not advertise at all until they're already releasing, because with this climate, even if it's the best game ever made it won't have a good reputation until it's 10 years old and people get nostalgic, like with Origins.
I dunno how they put this trailer together and could say "This looks great! Release it".
Modern audiences. That dont buy videogames.
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@@RanivusCh I gave up on bioware after dragon age: Inquisition and ME andromeda. Not that DA:I was horrible. It was good but I expected amazing so a let down anyway. This game with it's 3 active spells/skills isn't going to make me go into a hype frenzy.
honestly the story trailer doesn't bother me that much. The gameplay trailer, however, showed me that this is not a dragon age game and its just fantasy Mass Effect and more action based than DA2 console.
I love Mass Effect, but I don't want that in Dragon Age so I will not be playing this game and don't really give a shit what they do with the story.
@@dongarippo7279 3 active spells... what an absolute fucking joke. Two "companions" you don't even control.... and thats just for starters
That ENTIRE trailer I honestly kept expecting them to reveal it was a MOBA/hero shooter/similar spinoff title and not an actual main game title. The combination of the more cartoonist art direction and the presentation of the trailer focusing on character reveals just screamed MOBA to me.
The whole thing just looks ridiculous. I am biased because I hate that style but still...
Dragon Squad: Clash with the Justice God.
Same. Watched it with my wife, and we both went "did they make a shooter or moba in the DA universe?". So out of place when you look at the previous games...
@@jarodp1027 I like that style, and i hated the trailer... I just not DA... I mean, when they reveal the veil jumper and she is laughing while being pulled by the tentacles... Did James Gun directed the trailer?!
I thought it was for a mobile game spin-off.
I haven't trusted that DA4 would be good since Anthem was announced and I won't trust it until it comes out.
There really is no end to the features that, that this game does not bring back. Makes inquisition look like a Cult Classic.
Inquisition and Andromeda were trash. Lost my trust long before Anthem.
You know what, that is a sensible approach. I like what I've seen so far but I wholly agree with the notion that we should be skeptical, especially given Bioware and EAs track record. I just don't think that we disregard this game yet, as many people already have.
You can tell from the art that its going to be shit, factor in the writing and it tells you everything you need to know. Just skip it bro.
@@holographicfrog1503 You can't tell that at all. Won't you keep an open mind? Nobody's forcing you to purchase at day one, you can wait for reviews, you lose nothing by keeping an open mind. But potentially you lose out by writing this off already. That's an easy equation for me.
'I really liked mass effect'
I'm sure the dragon age fans who are upset find that a huge relief...
I love Mass Effect, its one of my favorite franchises of all time and I enjoy it more than Dragon Age.
I will not be playing this game, because its not dragon age. If I wanted to play this game I would go play Kingdoms of Amalur, because thats what this is.
@@Zectifin Worse probably
This feels a lot like the transition between Fallout 2 and Fallout 3. They lost a lot of fans but they gained even more
The dragon age fans also really like Mass Effect
Far be it for me to question your fan credentials but are you sure that you're DA fans? I mean, you sound more like Baldur's Gate 3 fans to me. No, you sound like Baldur's Gate 3 fanatics to me.
Cant wait for 40 hours of smashing x and b in a completely linear mission based campaign, outside of choose your own adventure style dialog options 😅
"choose your own adventure style dialog options"
Now that's a great way of calling the dialog wheel system where all we get is "yes, maybe but yes, and no but I'll be back for yes" 😉
I can't wait to do the same shitty boring mmo gameplay for hours in the DA inquisition........
Choose your own adventure actually give you choices. You see different scenes. Far better than modern games.
@@mariobadia4553I'm sorry your dragon ages origin is mediocre at best. I'd rather play inquisition and yes I do agree that beginning area was boring.
@@Mark-et6lq damn then I'm sure you will love failguard since it's pretty much the same shit
Their best was to show us evidence that suggests a mage will be walking around with only 3 spells? Were they high?!
Im sorry what?
I've been a mage on all games, being able to use more than 5 spells at once was life saving, now i have to choose what 3 most important to take?
They are all important....
Maybe they felt they had to dumb it down even more for the console players?
doesn't make sense, Inquisition had really good solution for consoles, they could have port it into veil guard @@bigguy130
@@IIIIIIIIIIIIIWOWIIIIIIIIIIIIII People are overreacting to this. Every DA game in console version showed about 3 or 4 quick-select abilities. And you could always use more by bringing up another shortcut menu. For the PC version, you could usually have them all shown on the bottom of the screen. What we were shown was early in the game too. Bioware had an AMA on reddit answering some questions regarding what to expect.
But really, a lot of people are jumping to mad conclusions over certain aspects of the game.
That UI looks suspiciously familiar to what you've have in a mobile screen.....and the cartoonish looks kinda check out to be almost a mobile game.....if that's so..may God have mercy on their souls.....
I get the impression they predicted that the next Gen wanted on rails shooters and now baldurs gate 3 has entirely blown that out of the water. I know I'll be waiting for gameplay footage from reviewers
I agree with the first part. The actual gameplay reveal was enough for me to pass on it.
Dude bladers gate sucks because it’s turns Based. I do not understand why you guys think taking away control from a player is good.
@@robertrainford6754its called strategy it requires thought instead of reaction. Your playing a very sophisticated game of chess isntead of mashing buttons. Some people really enjoying figuring things out.
@@robertrainford6754 I can agree with you there, I'm not a fan of turn based and by the end it got grating. However, it shows people would accept some depth and making their own character to roll with the decisions they made building them. I'd welcome real time if it didn't just turn character building into pick your weapon type
@@robertrainford6754you'd rather have a linear game where you have the illusion of control/choice?
I still have a problem with how they changed the darkspawn and the demon models. They look like cartoon enemies or just goofy, one thing I like about Dragon Age Origins was some of the scary aspects of doth these enemies.
'Bioware knows what the game is' I beg to differ. They had no idea what Anthem was until they saw their own damn reveal trailer.
I have no intentions of buying this game - Bioware's performance these last few years has made me decide that I don't wanna touch their shit with a 300 foot pole, not until a few YEARS after it's come out and is on a 50% off sale, at LEAST.
I'm boarding a ship. I hear some guys are just gonna pick this up.
Same (a 100% sale for me)
Sevenlexar is speaking straight FACTS!! But for me it’s gonna be more like $5 bin that way when I’m disappointed I can throw it away with some catharsis.
Exactly. All my fears were realized
I'm pretty sure they know what the game is considering it comes out in a few months and has been fully playable from beginning to end for a year and a half.
Less party members, an "in depth" skill tree but only 3 skills available at a time, mission based. Sounds like a train wreck.
I don't know about skill tree, but "3 skills" seems to be console UI. It was like this in Inquisition.
@@teriyatoraelon4855 Inquisition kinda allowed for more skills than three to be used.
@@teriyatoraelon4855 4x2*
Bioware is going down HARD if this is what they gave us after 10+ years....I made video about if yall care to check it out😊
Mission based? Like left to dead?
Honestly can't believe they dropped a awsome title like Dreadwolf for The Veilguard.
I have a guess that its due to Solas no longer being the focus, but instead its the Ancient Gods instead, that is released by Solas after the showcase. Therefore they had to change it from Dreadwolf to Veilguard.
I dunno about had to, but yes. The story likely either shifted to or always was about dealing with _multiple_ threats to the veil, as opposed to just Solas.
More than likely it'll be Solas, the evanuris, and some opportunistic magisters all in the mix.
There were a number of people that didn't like Dreadwolf either.
@@AStrangeWindmill it was definitely going to be a story about stopping solas but they scrapped that because it probably would've taken too much skill to write and direct, so much easier to have the villain start the game off already putting their master plan into action, I mean can you imagine if they had to work on his character at all? Sheesh talk about a waste of time am I right
@@azzy9293totally just look at who the game director is and what they’ve said their goals were for the game and you can get an idea for why this game turned to shit. Especially if you look at the leak trailer when it was still dreadwolf as back then it looked like this game had a chance until this turd came out
It looked more like marvel or borderlands, no thanks
Bioware is going down HARD if this is what they gave us after 10+ years....I made video about if yall care to check it out😊
Half the gameplay trailer was cutscenes, and the writing in those cutscenes was half-assed at best. “I thought you knew the area. Oh you don’t? Then I’ll lead us with my magical scout senses!” “I know these incredibly ordinary looking trees.” (Let’s not forget that Harding thought it was important to point that out while magic was visibly tearing open the sky directly ahead.) Or how about “the ritual”. They say it over and over with no variation. Eight years spent hunting Solas and trying to learn whatever they can about his plans, successfully tracking him to Minrathous and Arlathan, knowing he is alone, understanding that he is doing a ritual. All of this information and they never learned what the ritual is called? Or a general idea of what is involved? “The blade ritual”, “cutting the veil”, anything? It just feels so lazy.
This trailer was supposed to be indicative of the game as a whole, and if it has been successful in that, then this doesn’t feel like a Dragon Age game. It was certainly successful in stealing my optimism for a heartfelt continuation of one of my favorite dark fantasy series.
I wish more people were honest about games this game is gonna be crap and my optimism is dead. I’m not pessimistic but at least my eyes are open and my wallet is closed.
@@yugiboyable Agreeeeeeed. I feel like we've collectively been so gaslit by awful games and extra awful writing over the last few years that our standards are eroding fast. Because this...I used to teach middle schoolers creative writing. Most of those students could do better. And that gameplay, yeesh. It looks like 4/10 gameplay in one of the most oversaturated genres in gaming history.
I read about it on IGN. It apparently removed a squad member to have “the most action-oriented gameplay yet!” But I’m sitting here saying DA:O was BY FAR the best and that was the least action-focused gameplay lmao
Edit: also yeah, hate the name change. Not convinced I’ll buy it, and I LOVED BioWare. They WERE my favorite studio from ME/DA:O until the last 5 minutes of ME3 and Andromeda in general lol
They very much convinced me I will not buy it. I was so hopeful about two iterations ago, but those people left BioWare again.
@TrackMediaOnly same boat I was hyped when I first hear about dread wolf and after the trailer I decided half way into the trailer to pause it and ponder "what the hell did they do to this series?"
Yeah, the quality of the games after EA got a hold of them is lacking. Is it because of EA or just bioware changing? Who knows.
Dragon age Inquisition is the best dragon age game. And i'm glad this seems to be more like the one I like.
They tried the origins gameplay again inquisition and it felt like a mmo.
Dragon Age: Kill the Justice League
Gotham Age: Dragon knights.
Dragon Age: The Acolyte
Are we some kind of dragon suicide squad.
It looks like you didn't watch the video or you're just being obstinate. You know that it's not gonna be anything like that.
Dragon Acolyte: Kill the Veil League
The one darkspawn cheesing with a big ole wacky smile on its face was the ultimate, “What the hell is this Mickey Mouse stuff?”, moment for me in that trailer.
ART STYLE
Characters appear more cartoonish. Skins seem to have a smoothening filter (atleast Varric cutscenes). Demons redesigned from scary monsters into ghosts with colorful neon (blue, pink, orange,). Blood gore not shown.
I dislike the new style, but it would not prevent me from buying the game.
STORY
Cheesy companion intros. Too much information dumping. Player choice seemingly only affecting approval, not Varric's actions (hopefully choices are more impactful as this is just a prologue)
GAMEPLAY
Tactical camera removed. Bars for stamina and magic removed. Companions full control removed. Group limit reduced from 4 to 3. Skills max reduced from dozens to only 3 (how will that affect mage class?). Equipment not shown.
WORLD n ATMOSPHERE
Dragon Age is now too modern, and they justify it with "its actually magic not technology"
Hologram signs. Flying structure with helicopter-like spotlights and speakers (they even used real life speakerphone and spotlight sound effects). Guards use the speakerphone to talk similar to modern police like "citizens remain calm and stay at home until the magic anomaly is dealt with". Mobs voice acting sounded flat.
At this point, I would not be surprised if they introduce a magical calling device (phone).
@@Moon222 Oh darn. They pulled a Neverwinter Nights 2, didn't they? My condolences.
@@Moon222 inquisition had green neon lights for rifts and colorful neon spells. It's not a new style.
Gameplay: most people who play these games are casual and dont use tactical camera or switch characters, they play on easy or normal. For them, this combat is an improvement. Given how DAO combat just feels like sluggish mmo combat if you just control 1 character.
world: Each region has different culture and is advanced differently. Do you not remember Val Royeaux? This is Tevinter, this is most advanced magically. It's like comparing Stormwind to Dalaran. Besides DAO had a golem with a control rod...
Too much information dumping? Are you playing these games for combat?
@@Frozenkexit's absolutely a new style. Saying "oh well Inquisition had the same style as this because it also had brightly colored magic" is like saying dogs and cats are the same animal because they both have paws.
@@arglebargle5531 It was green instead of purple. what else?
Nothing about Veilguard sparks of Dragon Age.
When you strip a games identity, it loses popularity and you see a backlash, and rightly so.
It may still sell ok, but not even close to how it would have if they kept to the games core identity.
They'll scratch their heads, wondering why it didn't do great, too stupid to realise what they did.
And by then it will be too late. They will have another flop or underperformer, and the next Mass Effect will be a "what could have been" from another failed studio, never to see the light of day.
The only way I'll be buying it is on discount after seeing game play and I owned all of the previous games day one. I do not trust companies and I do not really like the art style that I have seen. Even with the changes in each of the previous games the atmosphere still felt serious and dark, not some slapstick comic book.
Maybe if it ever comes down to twenty bucks.
Dragon Age Mass Effect is something I absolutely do not want.
I do.
It's not even based on the good Mass Effect games. They are taking everything from ME: Andromeda which is a laughably awful game.
@@TheLowlifeXssassin Andromeda was bad because of story, dialogue and characters, it's combat is the one thing that is consistently praised.
And I think this game has potential for even better combat.
@@Animehermit consistently praised on being slightly above dogshit in comparison to everything else in the game. It's combat was still a step back from the previous games with a dumb jumping mechanic, pause menu issues during combat, awful squad mate AIs, weapons having way less impact with bull sponge enemies, and many more issues. It was average at best.
@@TheLowlifeXssassin it was praised as being the best in the series but go off chief.
I don't want to write it off just because it's Dragon Age. If it wasn't, I'd never think twice about the game from what they've shown us. So far, it leaves me worried that, even if the game ends up okay, I don't know if I can trust them to continue the story in any faithful sense.
EA/Bioware have used fake gameplay before.
No one cares if Origins had 1 bad trailer
Bioware/EA shouldn't have wasted almost a decade trying to make live service garbage
people using Origins, a 15 years old game, as an excuse for this 2024 game are hilarious
No tactic combat, no strategy, no party control: not a Dragon Age game.
Varric no longer being a redhead makes me sad.
Also RIP his chest hair and being the only dwarf too cool to rock a beard.
All the characters look bad
Blond. He was blond.
@@spectralassassin6030 strawberry blond.
in a vacuum, the second dragon age game really isn't a bad game. it's biggest issues was that it was the second in a series, and it didn't live up to the first.
The biggest issue was that BioWare wanted it to be an expansion to Origins, but EA needed another game by the end of the year, so they were forced to make DA2 within 9 months.
Yep, DAII was great, especially the companions. It just had to be right after origins.
The problem is that things dont happen in a vacuum.
forgot about being the cities janitor? visiting the same maps a dozen times? a storyline with literally no consequence?
It sounds like to me the series doesn’t really have bad games, just something of an identity crisis.
Dragon Age: The Dread Wolf - fuck yeah name
Dragon Age: The Veilguard - Why is veil guard? Oh yeah, the veil stuff ... right .. right ... right .. ok then
They went from having a central antagonist that we had connection to, to some vague crew of power rangers. Dreadwolf seemed much more intriguing and rewarding for returning players
Plus, I don't know about you, but "Veilguard" always looks like it should say "Vileguard" when I try to read it. Definitely not a well thought out name.
Veilguard, because Veilbreaker was already taken :D
I think that naming stuff anything-guard begs a single question - why? It sounds so bland, filled with fake pathos.
My first thought was "Veilguard? Isn't that basically what the Inquisition was? We already did this"
They should've stuck with Dragon Age: Dreadwolf. I was much more excited to track Solas across the Imperium as it gets ravaged by the Qunari, who are also searching for him. I didn't want to close up more holes in the Veil.
Only thing i wanted from modern BioWare was an Origins remaster, now i don't even want that anymore.
that and kotor 1 remaster
maybe if we ask Larian nicely
I’m terrified if they do it and do it for a “modern audience”.
@@tameelah3839 yeah I would only trust Larian for this. I don't want modern Bioware to put their filthy claws on my beloved Origins.
Are the previous three entries THAT different from one another? "Tone" is one thing, but what we are seeing of Veilguard vs the previous three games in totality is a radical departure from the franchise. I just don't see the differences in the other three among each other remotely close to this, not sure why it keeps getting parroted in games media atm.
DA 4 seems to be an entirely different genre of game.
From my memory DAO isis a top down semi turn based rpg. DA2 oversimplified the combat to a back camera thing with really ineffective apells. DAI is more like an mmo kind of combat. so yeah while the story structuring i can somewhat remember is an improvement the combat, which is a huge component, has been very different, which leads to extreme opinions about the game
Yes totally different. Inquisition was basically a party based ubisoft game with 0/10 combat. You pretty much never had to care what your squad was doing. You could auto level everyone and take whoever you wanted with you on any mission. Required no thought and synergy.
Story and Gameplay should not be mutually exclusive as both require skill and loyalty to the theme and tone of the game. This game trailer says it all and now they’re lying and backtracking. No offense but this video seems like a case of gaslighting for me. No matter how much you dress it up or explain it a turd is a turd.
I felt whiplash going from DAO to DA2 then DAI because of how dramatically different they each felt. I though played them back to back since I started DAO in 2017, so differences were more noticeable.
The game looks mid at best...after 10 years of great RPG's ( The Witcher 3, Baldurs Gate 3 etc.) showing up with a slightly better looking mobile game is not gonna cut it anymore...
yeah I hope Bioware is shut down after this I'm so done with that company.
I disliked the trailer, was impressed by the graphics in the gameplay reveal ... The gameplay has moved in the direction I'd expected after the consolification of DA 2 and I question. Still not optimistic about this though.
@@deisophiagaming8216 I was bored just watching the gameplay after the first group of enemies.
I just think it is so ironic the game series originally billed as a return to form and homage to Baldur's Gate goes fully action RPG the same year BG3 releases and shows that type of game is still profitable.
It may still be good but when I first boot it up I will be thankful for Larian and Owlcat (Which just released their version of the Citadel DLC for Pathfinder Wrath of the Righteous))
Also the new title The Veilguard reminds me of Jenny Nicholson's recent postmordum on the Star Wars hotel where all the paid ads required the use of the full name every time making all the ads and previews sound so corporate and inauthentic
That is because they had gotten several of the old BioWare (ME and DAO)to come back and then they let them go again.
@@TrackMediaOnly I know. It is still ironic.....don't you think?
You're right it is. I'm so happy Larian is successful while Bioware is falling apart. Bioware have betrayed their fans. Worse, they have insulted them. They deserve to be shut down for good now.
Inquisition is almost 10 years old... damn that makes me feel old... origins almost is 15... I think I feel my back going now.
How do you think I feel? I wasn't really that young when Black Isle and BioWare were all kind of intermingled and making BG1. If that makes you feel old, then you whippersnappers need to get off my lawn. :|
@@TrackMediaOnly yeah I mostly didn't start playing pc games until the 00s and didn't play rpgs (outside of pokemon) until around origins.
I wish I could pause time.
You can all play with this corpse of a series. But I'm not.
13:38 "Bioware know what the game is..." Do they, though? After it took years for them to figure out that flying mech suits could be amazing?
On the other hand, after restarting development on the game 3 times (last I heard) I'd hope they'd know wtf they're making by now.
@@Newt0rzif thats true i bet its gotten worse each time. Tye first thing was probably perfect.
That trailer was actually Dragon Age Origins. Sure, it was set to shitty music, but the trailer showed scenes from the cutscenes that actually ran in-game.
That cannot at ALL be compared to the bullshit Fortnite trailer Bioware just released for DAV
Ok so you never played Origins
No way this game is worth $70.
Price isn't even out dude, chill out 😂
@@ashavellanar1965 You think they'd charge anything less?
@@ashavellanar1965 Have you ever bought a game before???
u are an very optimist person...i bet $70 will be the version without Dragons.
Why?
This game has made me realize BioWare just doesn't make anything i'm interested in anymore. I'm done with BioWare games in general. I don't even care about the next Mass Effect. They can keep it unreleased and shut down the entire studio for all I care.
Imagine if they did a remaster of Origins and it outsold Veilguard I'd love to live in that timeline.
I'd buy that. Honestly surprised they haven't made that yet.
Or remade the half baked da2
Remastering sucks.
We want a remake.
Except they would "improve" on it and not do a remaster. They just can't help themselves any more.
I bought DAO and 2 like 2 years back and already own the GOTY version of DAI.
I'd still buy the legendary version than the slop they're offering this year.
DA2, inquisiton and veilguard are all hack/slash fast paced combat, everybody loved origins. BG3 gave us that gameplay, they dropped the most generic gameplay, bad writing and bad voice acting with a dreadful trailer and they're surprised its flopping
DA2 pass the "vibe check". This fortinite spinoff does not...
DA2 and Inquisition still had tactical element and direct control, Dave is just some weird Arkham + MMO + Mass Effect remix.
@@grandsome1 DA2 had the best tactics of the series. DA:I was gutted with a very simple version that was unresponsive and jank at the best of times.
My biggest hangup is that I'm not exactly gelling with the looks of the companions. They don't really impress or interest me. But maybe that's just me being an old fogie, being in my fourties now.
It's not just you. They all look terrible, except for maybe Harding. Even Sera from Inq had a better design than all of them and she was the worst companion of the bunch (outside of combat, since she was busted as hell during it).
Bioware is dead, Dragon age is dead. Disagree? You're in denial.
Not dead just on life support and the doctors are trying to get you to sign off on pulling the plug.
Origins fans have been saying this since 2011. They've been wrong every time.
Bioware was dead to me since they made abomination called DA2.
@@titanquest15 There hasnt been a hit from Bioware since ME3, so yeah their dead.
@@titanquest15 Inquisition released during a time when there was not that many RPG and people wanted something that isn't DA2
But now, we have Baldur's Gate 3 showing people what they can get, we have Dragon's Dogma 2 that shows what Action RPG can be.
If the game no longer stand above those other games, its not going to be as successful as Inquisition
Imagine having gameplay in trailers... what a novel idea, suddenly you would not need to try to re-explain and reset expectations about your goddamn product. The whole summer fest was such a disappointment. So many trailers that told you nothing about the actual game.
Until you see the gameplay, I haven't seen the trailer, but can't be much worse then the gameplay.
That trailer wasn't meant to show gameplay though. It was a stylized introduction of characters. Not like this was a novel event.
@@iyaramonk you mean the horrible gameplay in a gameplay trailer doesn't mean the gameplay is horrible because the point was to show characters? Interesting mental gymnastics there.
@@iyaramonk What is a trailer supposed to do then? Have you ever seen a movie trailer with no relation to the movie? Have you ever seen a commercial even, that would not show the product? Imo, a videogame trailer with 0 gameplay is a great way to show you are not confident in your product, and have to hide it behind a cg animation.
@@pewpin1039 Yes all the time.
I'd be shocked if this game is better than average at best. Something about it screams built by committee for mass appeal.
This reminds so much of what happened with Fable. A beloved first game and built a huge fan base over time, but never got a proper sequel. A devastating loss.
2 was great
2 was _comfortably_ the brightest star in the fable sky.
Fable 2 is really good, though! Maybe it's because it was my childhood, but I loved it then and still do.
If you want a proper successor to Origins I'd suggest Tyranny.
@@MAXIMILLIONtheGREAT 2 wasn't a bad game, but I wouldn't call it a true sequel. Fable 1 and 2 are very different games
When I, a player and a real human being, am more pissed off by the destruction of Bianca than the fictional character who named it after his lifelong love, I question the "well written story..." So far this game is a hard pass for me...
Varric will die, Solas either trapped or will die as well. That is what their best writer can come up with, by following the cyberpunk train of killing off a beloved character at the beginning to act like they know drama.
He's tearing the veil ffs. Of course he would do that! He does value his friends but if Varric physically tried to stop him, he'd would surely been turned to stone. Solas has always been a maquiavelan guy when it comes to the restauration of the old world.
@@enightc Point is, I'm not opposed to anything you just said on principle, it just needs to serve the story. I'm not upset by the destruction of Bianca but by Varric's reaction, or lack thereof... he doesn't even acknowledge it happening. You don't want to interrupt the ritual but talk to him? Fine (then I question why are the others trying to topple the statue, wouldn't it interrupt the ritual abruptly?... Anyway...) but have a reaction ffs... The gameplay reveal to me was at best a complete lore failure and at worst a retcon (speculation on my part, which is why I said "at worst").
@@ITAmichwhat do mean he doesn't react? Dude looks horrified and defenseless.
@@AStrangeWindmillthe VA is terrible in that scene as well as the writing, and the music was bland. I know that Dragon Age can be janky and corny, but not during pivotal scenes. Dragon Age Inquisition intro was way more epic and engaging.
I'm generous enough to compare Dave with the last good BioWare game rather than go way back to their best. And this game isn't even a sequel to that with what's revealed so far.
I can’t even begin to comprehend what a shitshow it must be over at EA BioWare. This isn’t my Dragon Age and I was a day 1 Origins fan. Be it the writing, the visual style, the switch to ARPG combat, or the gameplay reveal this is a no from me. I hope the franchise just dies at this point, this is a different game with the brand smacked on anyway.
I hated the reveal. I disliked the gameplay.
I'm not hopeful.
I hated the gameplay too. 20 mins of video only had 5 mins of "gameplay" and that was limited to either pressing forward to follow Varric on rails, or hammering the same button repeatedly until all the demons are dead. I'm out.
That dragon age origins trailer still rocks.
I really ejoyed origins. 2 was ok but i couldnt get into inquisition. Ive enjoyed each entry less and after what theyve shown i dont think im in the target audience anymore.
If it comes out and is a big hit i might give it a shot.
Its what made me buy the game. I had just got a PS3 and didnt know of any games for it. I saw that trailer and went too the store and bought it that day.
The entire reveal was a slap in the face. I mean if you can't make a decent rpg anymore at least make a decent action game but did you see those animations? The midair turning, the clunky parkour, the static enemies, the neon demons WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT!?!? The generic ai generated aesthetic? The characters with the weird dialogues between fights? The excessively scripted behaviors of enemies just for cinematic flair... Ugh. Both the reveal trailer and the gameplay trailer represent the pinnacle of decadence in the "AAA" game industry. This ofc, is just a very personal opinion since I used to love the franchise.
this game makes the new Assassin Screed looks amazing which makes me feel weird lol
Well AAA is a finance term and the _"quality"_ associated with it is quite _representative_ to say the least...
So, what, we're acting like the trailer was a fluke and the gameplay actually looked good? Because lmfao 😂
BioBeware
I’m not angry anymore just disappointed and sad.
I was disappointed before the trailers. Now im angry.
That Origins trailer kicks fucking ass and if they showed something like that people would have loved it, that is just a fact. Seriously, it's called 'Get ready for the new shit'. Based. Ah, it absolutely is Dragon Age Origins. You know, the game where I could have sex with a demon by sacrificing a child achieved by killing a mother using blood magic to 'save' her son. Or where you desecrate a holy site and kill one of your companions to unlock a spec. Or that time you went into the deeproads to find a dwarf only to find that she basically sacrificed her followers to darkspawn, which one was turned into a Brood mother, look it up, with several sets of titties. That game was quite literally marketed towards me, a teenager at the time and it was awesome. Imagine if Bioware showed off a Dragon Age game inspired by the beloved Origins, wouldn't that be a thing. Maybe if BG3 release years earlier and won GOTY years earlier, things might have been different.
I miss the gritty dark fantasy that Dragon Age used to be. This one has neon lights and flying castle rings that look like space ships....ugh
Even after the gameplay trailer this looks like something I'll get on a steam sale for under £10 in 5 years time, play for a weekend and forget about.
People need to go back and watch the DA:O Sacred Ashes trailer, then ask themselves if what we have seen is in any way acceptable.
yeah that trailer is fucking awesome
RIP Dragon age 2009 - 2009.
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i looked at the gameplay and was out.
…then why did you play inquisition?
@@Hidalgoes Inquisition still had tactical controls
@@Hidalgoes Inquisition was not an action game. Yes, the combat was more action oriented than Origins, but it was still RTwP at its core.
This is not. This is all-out action gameplay - which is perfectly fine in other franchises that are built this way, but this is Dragon Age. And Dragon Age must not become an action game.
@@Moon222 thats fair but was that really a huge part of how most people played inquisition? I'm sure developers have some degree of analytics available to them-if they showed that the avg player was really using it for most fights don't you think they would've kept it? Like yea combat wise Origins was the most satisfying for me personally, but I don't buy if you just told someone who's a fan of all 3 games and looking forward to 4 that hey combat this time is going to have more of a resemblance to mass effect- that anyone would have a real objection to that. that trailer just turned everyone into a hate mob
@@HidalgoesI didn’t play for long. It got far too boring.
When I saw the trailer, I thought it was a multiplayer hero game like Overwatch to stopgap until Dragon Age 4 Dreadwolf arrives.
…none of the companions are appealing to me like the previous games so that breaks it for me
I would argue that the Dragon Age series lost its direction after Origins.
The trailer made me feel like Veilguard was going to be a Borderlands-esque action shooter and so wildly not at all what I expected. The gameplay reveal at least looked alright.
the end made me laugh so much....Dragon Age: Border Control
I was introduced into Dragon Age with Origins (and it's DLC) and absolutely loved it, only played DA 2 a little but never finished it and played Inquistion and DLC. Out of all the games, I really liked Origin and how that plays. I already resigned myself that we wont get an Origns style story or gameplay since i knew over the years that the people who worked on Origins have long since left. I see Veilguard, just glanced at it and moved on. If ME: Andromeda was anything to go by, I'll pass on by and wait to hear what people think of it
The game director is a man who is cosplaying as a woman. That's all I need to know about the direction of the game.
This.
The DEI quota for the development team is inextricably linked to poor quality.
I dont know, maybe im the only one but the "Violence-Trailer" is legit the best Origins Trailer in my opinion. Sets the tone quite right xD
Guys don't worry, someone at corporate EA will see how well baldur's gate 3 did and make bioware copy that style for the next game. Just be patient for another 10 years, your kids will enjoy it after ur dead
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When I saw The Veilguard trailer I thought it was going to be a multiplayer spinoff of Dreadwolf. That's the tone the Marketing set with that trailer.
I mean, something's wrong when I don't even see a companion I want to romance lol
Harding. I want Harding. They blue balled me by only letting me flirt with her a handful of times in Inquisition
Agreed-
Davrin- Not really my style. I'm not above romancing males, but it's not my first choice.
Taash- I really can't even tell if this is supposed to be a male or female. all I can say for sure is they/ them are qunari.
Harding- Kinda hoping for someone... taller.
Lucanis- See comments for Davrin.
Bellara- It's like they went out of their way to make her outfit as unflattering as possible
Emmrich- Fuck no.
Neve- Same as Bellara, only with a prosthetic leg and a stupid hat.
@@sixgunsuperman Look in Kingsman there is a prothestic legs girl and she's hot af. But Bioware acquired the super power to make every character ugly now I guess
Yeah they all look like those reddit poly group hog photos
DA2 is a pretty good game for how short its development was lol
Very different to origin but good in its own right. Can't say the same for inquisition. Most boring combat and skills.
@@michaelh878 I liked DA2, and DA:I wasn't that bad imo. It's just that the grinding is way overturned. It takes so long to actually get good stuff lol
The DLC is also incredibly good. People need to look past the same tired complaint about the environments. The characters and stories are all great.
@@SuicidalBabyTTV are they really, though? Do we need to go over the Anders thing again? (Makes me angry just thinking about it). Do we need to talk about the final boss fight, where the chief mage said "I'm so angry that you're falsely accusing me of studying blood magic, that I'm going to use the blood magic I've been studying to kill you, so you never accuse me of studying blood magic again"? Do we need to remind ourselves of how the story set part one of the game on one side of a harbour begging the guards to let your party go to the other side of the harbour, when any of the characters could have just... gone to the other side of the harbour at any time? Do we need to mention that all the character interaction was pointless, and as long as you consistently chose either the "angry face" option or the "smiley face / heart" option you'd end up in exactly the same place in the relationship, including romance? I could go on for a while, but I won't. DA2 was... pretty bad. And not just because you spent the whole game in one small town. Characters and stories were pretty bad too. Not terrible. I remember it, so it can't have been terrible. But it was pretty bad.
Only saw the trailer and genuinely thought they were making some co-op hero-based action game in the Dragon Age universe. Had no idea this was Dragon Age 4 or even an RPG.
Your point that "they do not have the tools to make cRPG" is lazy, because it's not the fans' fault that they assumed the wrong direction for their game. The fans were clear over the years what they want - more spell slots, dark fantasy vibe, more realistic and less cartoony approach to enemy models (with the random remodel of Darkspawn in DA2) and Bioware disregarded ALL OF THAT. They limited the number of companions to only two per team, they took away our ability to control the companions, they made the game less tactical and more action-focused, they removed dark fantasy vibe and replaced it with Marvel vibe, they dumbed down combat by limiting talent slots even more, and now they made another Darkspawn model rework that made these monsters look even more idiotic and comically than before, this time extending this change also to demon models.
So be so kind and don't gaslight me what I or fans like and should expect, or that I can't criticize the game just because it did not come out yet. And don't try to gatekeep this IP by redirecting me to Divinity Sin, because Dragon Age was always a cRPG and despite EA's toxic pushes, the devs did all they could to preserve as much of cRPG identity as they could. Enjoy a downvote.
you forgot to add that the game is now rated M. That means no more sex
@@zhongliimpact6220 Really? Wow. They're truly opening for that audience from new generation that will never even look at their game, huh?
This is a great comment. I completely agree. Anyone who says "its inevitable for this to become more like mass effect" like it's a good thing just doesn't understand the original dragon age fan.
If there IS a new take it means it's no longer in the old style.
They did come out and say that the game is not live service it can be played completely offline, no battlepass, no microtransactions at all.
Dragon Age Origins is the best!
Game play looks like a tech demo
Man whatever. That Marilyn Manson trailer was on point showing what DA:O was all about. Blood, death, and war. 10x better than what we got with The Veilguard.
Ehh, still stupid. Atleast the tone sorta match the target demographic. Now its like gas lighting us.
this is the truth
Origins was marketed as a single player Dark Fantasy with story in every single trailer.
And the main complaint for the game before launch boiled down to "why make this instead of BG3" Which ironically some people are basically saying now having hoped for a return to the more hybrid action/crpg of Origins.
The blur trailers (Not shown in this video) are representations of your character. One showing team work with companions in combat and the other your chars purpose in the story.
The metal music that pops up in many of the trailers certainty isn't indicative of the game. But is mostly used for intro/end cards and overlaying scenes/gameplay in the game.
"long running, sorta nonsensical gag"
"Enchantment"
You fucking dare? Apologize right now.
This is what happens when companies chase trends. Like CA and Hyenas games just take too long to make for it to work. The focus should be on making the best possible game whatever that is like Larian did with BG3. Quality sells all on its own.
Dude that game looks like it never grew out of 2015 and kept all the cringe
didn't the origins trailer have an electric guitar playing for most of it? I think its just a trait of the series.
@@tyo9954 Except Origins is actually good
@@tyo9954 Screamo music I believe they called it
@@tyo9954 It was Marylin Manson LOL
Its a bit shit isnt it. Nit excited at all for this game. I guess its time bury another franchise I loved
With EA involved it would NOT Surprise me that add Microtransactions into the game. . . .
This is why I don’t preorder games anymore, it’s why I don’t trust the big AAA studios. All these huge studios are too big, they don’t allow for developers to try new things and they just focus on making games look visually appealing, while ignoring all the other aspects that make a good game. Thank you for listening to my rant
For "Modern audience".
I don't believe the access shills saying "the game is good".
loved the first one, tried to like the second one, begrudgingly like the third one, but this.... nah, hard pass after seeing the gameplay as well as the trailer
As a hardcore DA fan. In my eyes, This is not an Dragon Age game, and it never will be. And I will be skipping it. And also there is too much pandering to the "modern audience" as they like to call them.
Personally I think this will end BioWare as a company.
Here is the thing:
They removed all tactical aspects of combat, meaning this game's combat has to contend with other triple-A Action-RPG games (Mass Effect, Elden Ring, Witcher, Hogwarts, etc)
Judging by that clip, the combat does not cut it.
The story looks like trash too. Varric is probably going to die early on, leaving no likable companion at all. And then Solas will get sideline by the Elven Gods after the intro, so thats ten years down the drain.
Still better than the crappy mmo that was DAI
@@mariobadia4553 Can't believe I'm gonna say this, but it really isn't I could at least pretend I wasn't playing a boring action game with Inquis by flipping between characters
At least with the rogue, it looks like just a fancier version of DA2's "Mash X to kill shit."
"I don't think the playability of action combat is necessarily a bad thing.. I mean look, action combat's really fun!"
Man, Bellular... I used to enjoy your content. But you are exactly what's wrong with this industry. "Lets make it more accessible by making it action combat," stripping the game of any personality and features it originally had. A game made for everyone, is a game made for no one.
The only thing BioWare can scramble to do is to pick a more suitable profession. Like flipping burgers or brewing pumpkin spice latte ..
If you want to show off RPG gameplay, why show a demo where all characters are level 1?
It's like the game was made by juniors with no supervision and expertise
I'm not against progressing a franchise at all. You need progression to keep things interesting. It just feels like this type of "progression" is very superficial. The tone of the game and the personality of the characters don't seem to fit this Universe in which they are in. A universe that has been already established. Seems like suits in a boardroom not understanding or caring for their franchise while wanting the money that Overwatch or Fortnite makes by appealing to the gamers who play those instead of appealing to those people who made you your money in the first place.
Demons and darkspawn look absolutely miserable
The original Dragon's Age Origin with the Marliynn Manson was actually amazing, the vast majority of players paid attention to this and got into it because this was the tone of the game. You trying to use it as exhibit to show that its off tone shows that you're disconnected from the fanbase.