FNC vs RNG | Worlds Group Stage Day 7 | Fnatic vs Royal Never Give Up (2019)
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- 2019 World Championship Group Stage Day 7 #Worlds2019
Fnatic vs Royal Never Give Up
Fnatic Lineup:
⦁ Bwipo - Top Gangplank
⦁ Broxah - Jungle Gragas
⦁ Nemesis - Mid Cassiopeia
⦁ Rekkles - ADC Xayah
⦁ Hylissang - Support Pyke
Royal Never Give Up Lineup:
⦁ Langx - Top Gnar
⦁ Karsa - Jungle Lee Sin
⦁ Xiaohu - Mid Ryze
⦁ Uzi - Bot Ezreal
⦁ Ming - Support Lulu
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Uzi’s last game - farewell to a legend.
Against Rekkles who finally beat him. I guess it was time for Uzi to retire. It was a nice story.
@@lazaraleksic8194 Godkkles
Uzi is coming back!
@@lazaraleksic8194 he actually beat him before around 2016 in IEM
now he's back lmao
Man. Hylissang was such a pain in the a** for RNG with the splitpush xD
Hyli redefying the meta. Split pushing supp xD
I've been doing that on Pyke for a while now. They can't ignore them, but they can't kill him with how much mobility he has.
@@danielspencer5908 Same here. Problem is that with SoloQ, you never know if your team will start/get into a fight 4v5 while you are off splitpushing.
Hylis splitpush is a pain in the ass for everyone. See G2
RNG couldnt pull the trigger why u as a mega gnar are flashing out to a gankplank tp WHEN CAN FLASH IN AND GET 3 man stun atleast. I dont understand wtf Rng were trying to do. Fnc dismantled them
Seeing Rekkles' emotion catch up with him after the game... made me choke up. Well played Fnatic!
he cries all the time. what a pussy, crying over a video game... soft as fuck!
@@roofymcgoo8886 Super edgy.
@@roofymcgoo8886 Was about to say he always cries lol
@@roofymcgoo8886 do u imagine the pression about this type of game ?
@@roofymcgoo8886 Crying over accomplishing something he had to work hard for, something you will never experience in your sad little life
46:59 That bodyslam from Broxah was so important! Stoped Gnar from getting out his ult
WP man!
IKR Broxah was the silent MVP, so many clutch decisions made by him that game. The early gank, flanking Lee Sin for the pick, interrupts on Ryze ult, stopping Gnar slam. Guy was a fkn beast and got no credit at all 4 it!
@@adammada511 He played fine, but he fucked up that early gank by not using E and forcing ez flash. He also misplayed the skirmish in bot after. I think Nemesis was MVP, he played that game almost perfect.
csacsi, xerxe, and hyli in the quarters... man it feels good to be a uol fan
Ryan Joseph xD
I believe UOL kept stuck on the Play-In part of the tournament 🤔... 😁 sorry man jk, but ¡Hell Yeah!!
@@dansantana1668 UoL is dead tho, the play-ins roster has nothing to do with the OG UoL, they're a CIS team that doesn't even play in EU.
14:16 Did they just drop the camera wtf
Cameraman fell off the stage xD
nah, its just a camera spin...
fired
@@DeoAlong definitely not a camera spin lmao.
Spam F for the cameraman
All of FNC played an insanely good game that said Broxah was MVP. He created the snowball and denied all the important engages and escapes from RNG.
At 49:13 you can see Nemesis smiling, this is not a drill
Holy shit
this Is how one knows - the End Times are upon us!!!
christ, i thought nemesis couldnt laugh, this ruins everything i believe in.
It's not because he won, he just got the news of a new OnePlus 69
Do not cry. I suffered
@Alex Richardson I hope you will be rewarded for your hard work all day today.
Alex Richardson hahahahaha
Thank you for the amazing game you beautiful people
14:18 XD
Rip RED Camera, they cost 10k a piece
LUL
@@DonRaynor not red cam..
made my day
oups
"Where were you when the West rose up to conquer champions?!..." @quickshot
such a glorius flawless win. so satisfying to watch~~ and finally seeing some emotions in those boyz lol
I am a fan for so many years and even i had doubts but FNC just allways does show up at Worlds!
''Emotions hitting 2 of the greatest adc's of all time.'' ''Rekkles overcome his demons'' - Man what a story...
Btw. Fnatic looked like champions in those 2 games vs RNG and SKT, they were flawless. No1 can tell now that EU can't win worlds this year.
I'm so happy for FNC and hoping for a SKT vs FNC final, but damn the ruined my pickems xD, i was 100% right up until today
@@JoseManuelCigoySegura7239 G2 or Fnatic win worlds, I take it. I'm having fun watching both at international lvl.
Funny. LCK will prevail
@@itsgale Just as likely.
TheRaideros skt will fook all them. Haven‘t you learned from game of thrones? Legends always die.
One of best games ever. Miss this FNC 😭 GG legends
As a G2 and Europe fan this is just amazing!! Let's go FNC! Let's go Europe!!
same. yesterday i actually felt depressed for a few hours after g2 and my hopes getting smashed by grffin twice
as much as i want them to lose in lec cause g2 has to win, i was so damn emotional when seeing them dismantle skt and rng after that rly bad game vs clutch.
in my opinions nemesis is such a fcking beast, with faker and caps hes one of my top 3 midlaners in the world. the dude is so fkcing consistent, is a great shotcaller as i saw in the voicecomms and outplayed faker with veigar
not to mention rekkles who once he plays xayah outperforms uzi and teddy by far
asdf 1234567 YES it would be nice if every eu team reach semi finals. xD
Wow this group stage has just been so competitive I love it but hate to see it. Sad C9 didnt make it but they just played bad. Clutch who was 0-6 broke my heart because they played so well against all these teams but it just wasn't enough. And now FNC, who always seems to go 3-0 in week 2 to make it out just won my heart. This was by far the group of death and it showed in every game, FNC deserves this win and hopefully they can rep the west and take it all. Also the fact that all 3 EU teams made it out in worlds at EU is just a great story line. I'm ready for playoffs!
you know what, despite Cluch being winless in their group, they actually played better than C9.
@@jagonz70580 As a C9 fan I agree 100%
@@Zekrom123113 They call it group of death for a reason
How do I unsubscribe from your blog
@@hemmoau simple, keep on scrolling next time instead of replying.
Rekkles. You absolute beauty. I hope the haters remember that it was rekkles on an ad champion that erased uzi from worlds.
He puts his heart in the game. Thats why he cries. What a man. So proud of my rekky 🧡🖤
facing defeat that day, but FNATIC were Their name
Well-well. I remember not so long ago (pretty sure it was under the draft show) there were all those haters with their "time to see Rekkles cry"
Sooo, you saw him cry. Not the way you expected, I guess xD
GO FNC. GIVE 'EM HELL!!!
@@roofymcgoo8886 salty NA XD
@@roofymcgoo8886 u know that for all of these guys this is their passion and what they do at least 10 hours a day and try to get better? This is their job and the main thing in their lifes. They win Millions if they succed. So if u say that this is a grown man crying over a video game... than u didnt get the whole thing and should stop watching esports. It would be the same if a athlete cryed at the olympic games. Its their lifes, its their biggest goal in life and if u cant get that u are pretty stupid. But dont hate in comments than because what do u expect if u write such a dumb comment? Uzi also cried if u can see that. faker cried on stage, almost every big sportmen in the history of competetive sports cried on stage and u wanna tell us that he is a pussy or something? I guess u havent achieved half of what Rekkles achieved. I guess u are not earning millions of euros because u are one of the best people on the planet in one specific dicipline. And as long u havent reached half of the glory others have.... u should stay quiet and live your life but dont bother others that are much better than u.
@@pharriz cuz they're soft as fuck, guess that's why they play video games and don't get out more often! play a real sport, like football, baseball, soccer, etc.. video games are not sports!!
@@pharrizDon't put effort into responding to trolls. They're still the ones sitting behind a screen, watching the game. Let them be.
@@roofymcgoo8886 obvious troll is obvious lol
Yamato was right here and now is leading the FNC
사랑해요 fnatic
"I hope that Rekkles can play a normal adc." -Uzi 2019. Truer words have never been spoken. I have never agreed this much with any adc player except now :D
47:22 Does anyone know the music name? It's been played a bunch during group stage.
Darude - Sandstorm.
@@Lollaksyotuube Well played, well played.
MyNameIsMrPlow I wanna know its name too... Did anyone tell you that?
I can't hear it too well, but it's likely the "2019 World Championship | Orchestral Theme"
@@Xinxyl nope, it's definitely not that
Kailan ba finals at cno maghaharap
UZI my sun has set but it rose on REKKLES theres no shame on losing against the best ADC.
UZI will remain among the best ADC the league has ever seen.👑🔥
Absolutely legends both rekky and UZI❤️.
Group of death. FNC goes on!
Congrat to Rekkles (applause) and feel sorry for Uzi at the same time , best Group of Death, best worlds so far
Feeling sorry for uzi? :D let this dude suffer. He deserved it.
@@marcelarnold620 ????? You are trash
@@tiagomoura5289 ok , cool.
The fnatic performence against skt and rng was amazing
It was just Veigar
@@maindw252 If you cant win because your opponent counter picks you then you shouldnt even be in worlds
@@svltches4477 So why didnt Fnatic win against SKT's garen counterpick?
@@th3yoshy597 Games was close. Counterpicks are meant to generate advantages which in both games they did. FNC rolled over SKT in Games 2. Dont get me wrong I do give SKT an edge in a Bo5 but FNC is certainly a Team who can challenge them if they perform.
@@th3yoshy597 They inted on purpose to get rng out of the tournament as soon as possible. They gave skt the win. It was tactical int. I dont blame bronzies for not seeing that, I dont expect em to
I just want fnc rekkles again
Damn bro u got what u wished for
Not throwing any shade at Selfmade what so ever, he's proven himself to be a worthy fit for FNC.
But I miss Broxah... There was just something about him that made me happy to see him on screen.
I think while they are both elite in their own right, one of the things that kind of differentiate them is overall team impact because of their differing playstyles. Selfmade's playstyle is very greedy and can carry the team 1v9 when he gets going, but doesn't impact/enable his laners as much as Broxah did. Broxah always tried to find ways to get a side of the map in his team's favor even if it meant him sacrificing some farm/exp on the map. This also allowed Broxah to be more available for a counter-gank should one be needed which is why they typically played better against G2 with Broxah on the team as he knew how to get his lanes going and deny Jankos early game. Selfmade is a bit more like Peanut, who carries from the jungle with good farm pathing, and strong dueling, while Broxah is more like DanDy who is always looking for a play to get the team going.
@@gelogelo2165 yea, I generally agree with that... I just miss Broxah, there was something about him that made me just like him, regardless of how good or bad he preformed.
Bwipo has a similar quality, he just seems like he would be the most awesome friend who'd you never have a boring moment with. 🤣
After seeing this i really hope FNC takes the trophy!
They are only good in single games , always get fucked up in the best of
Yuscian Govindasamy and thats why they were in finals last year???
@@yusciangovindasamy8658 ALWAYS??? kk positive mindset u got...
@@yusciangovindasamy8658 You're right, 2 semis and finals certainly prove they can't play bo5. Actual idiot here.
@@gaxx18 You dumb fucks , how many finals did they win, my point is that they can best any team in a once of but they can't replicate that hence they didn't win the whole tourney . How many times have the clean sweeped round two but if you put them against skt or rng in a best of 5 then what do you think will happen ? Btw I really enjoyed what they did today , it was amazing af
not that it really mattered, as it would only have delayed inevitable, but watch 36:35 RNG top inhib tower, blue vision ping.
Karsa showing on blue minions pushing into the tower. not his best game overall
karsa didnt miss his q. it tried to predict nemesis's flash to the topside
I like how it's always NA vs EU but when one region gets knocked out, we're all just The West vs the other regions!
Damn Fnc and Rng are again in the same group 2021 but no Uzi and no Rekkles...
When will teams realize that if they don't ban Xayah against Rekkles, they basically threw the game already?
They dont ban it cause they maybe qanna pick Xayah up or themselves. Watching Worlds so far, it feels like there are only 2 ADCs worth picking. Kai'Sa or Xayah. So yeah. Understandable why teams dont ban Xayah.
FNC 加油
omg i saw nemesis smiling for 2 sec
Lmao. The confidence Raz bet on rng to wins a hahahahah. Dude dip after the game. And didn’t even return to the analyst desk lol.
Why rekkless didn't handshake uzi?
He did, it was just subtle and blocked from camera angle
Btw anyone noticed that Rekkles played without shoes? :D
Fnatic waking up! I'm so excited for the play-offs! G2 as well.
is this broadcast team drunk?
SKT's plan worked lel
Hyli in pyke gp in bwipo nemesis in TF FNC 6 0 here haha
tactical of G2 to lose against griffin so they wouldnt match up against fnc
Goodbye Mr Uzi
He retired sadly
Feels bad for Uzi...
Guys .. now we can see that RNG can't win an important match against EU. G2 get'em at playoffs last year , and this time it was FNC putting the seed 2 out of contention. Unbeliaveble.
Actually whole gruop C has something with g2. FNC lost 2 close bo5, skt lost msi semi and rng quarters last year. Everyone of them was probably looking for revenge during play off stage
RNG are the worst chokers in the history of league of legends and that goes for UZI as well. He always dissapears in the important games. The kings of disappointments and second places. They have been "Theoretically " the best team in chine for 5 years and they have won 1 championship,
Frosk speech was so fucking good
FNATIC! FNATIC! FNATIC!
So I see SKT has won their mind game lol
The seeding system will change next worlds, RNG out is unbelievable.
XD they aren't just good, as seen in this game XD
@Alex Richardson I'm not supporting RNG or anything, but pretty sure they are better than the B teams.
FNC is a beast in best of 1 and 2nd round robin at worlds
Kudos to rekkless finally beating uzi and its when it all matters the most
ehhh can you argue they are better than grf or g2? ig tl dwg is still in,they lost to fpx in the finals,the only team you can argue about is SPY but they earned their spot defeating even China's 1st seed.I believe they are worse than fpx but they overperformed and made it.So why should the seeding change?
@@aspiwri664 Fair point, I guess the competition is really up there this year!
Give rekkless marksman bro!!
48:52 what the fuck his hand was shaking too hard. I have no idea how managed to get his shit together on that interview literally 2 minutes after
Theyre all scared of nemesis TF
Guess who’s getting perma banned from now on in Worlds?
teemo?
Rekkles Xayah
I prefered teemo
@@iamnoone5960 yes definitly teemo is a better ban
Hylisang
the great winner of the match is STK, well played.
Who the fuck is STK
I’m so fucking happy
This is so sad
Can we hit women
yes change the seeds, NA does not deserve 3 teams nor 2 automatic into group
skt snowball
What the fck was that Lulu pick ?
Yeah, they thought it would counter Pyke ult but that was just so short sighted from them, Lulu is really useless right now
You want to shut down pyke because his snowball is very scary. But Fnatic truly macro outdrafted them and I think RNG tunneled on Pyke in that moment.
@@ataxia5304 Lulu, as Raz (was it him or Papa?) said: Lulu's ult add health, and thus pushes you over the execute threshold (in most cases), thus making Pyke's ult useless. Pixy also reveals Pyke and thus prevents his passive health regen. It was a situational pick that would've worked if there had been teamfights. However, as it was said: Fnatic out macroed RNG and almost no real teamfights happened.
The idea was the correct one, it just fell flat in execution.
@@Ruhrpottpatriot I maintain that it was still a terrible pick. The moment RNG fell behind Lulu was useless.
it was supposed to be a counter pick to pyke, but they totally underestimated how good rekkles is
14:21 me derrubaram aqui oh
better jg win
I see, so SKT's plan to eliminate RNG was successful
SKT: well its a 50 50 chance, why not :D
I'm now 100% sure that SKT lost intentionally against FNC, after they beat RNG. Im a fnatic fan so I dont mind it, but you could feel that SKT wasnt giving their bests.
@@Barneusius its part of the game as well, to be able to get the best outcome. There is no reason for them to play with a team that could essentially get the same golds, kills through earliy mid and late game. Obviously for this to work, fnatic has to actually beat RNG once and they did it.
Whether SKT tried their best or not is one debate. Whether they did it because they wanted RNG out makes absolutely no sense.
So baaically all the European teams got out as a second seed XD?
Sleepy Asian yeah but all got out, na has nothing
@@rendoxch533 I don't think the guy is na
RendoxCH there still is TL
Kev i know,just saying xD
Germany is Kawaii tl 3. for the meme
pyke did not r once
RNG Never kept fighting because they know his R was up. + in most cases R = Int
actually, there was not a single team fight. Botlane laning phase ended when Pyke was still lvl 5 (RNG stepped backed in bot after that). After that - very short skirmishes 3v3, 4v4. Never nobody low enough to ult and not die afterwards.
He did at the Nexus
People said im crazy, but I think it will be G2 vs FNC final
All comes down to the brackets in knockout stages
RNG deserved it
BLONDE FROSK is lowkey good lookin. lol
honestly sad to see RNG go out like this. If you are gonna lock in lulu, at least pick kaisa not ezreal. If uzi locked in Kaisa this would have mostly have been a win for them
SKT: everything is planned 😂
Honestly, BO1's feel so damn icky. Just 6 total games in all to show what you prepared an entire year for! Would be better if they actually made these BO3's, quarters and semi's to BO5's and the actual finals to BO7's. Last one of the game or tie breakers as a blind pick! Probably won't happen but I think that it'd make things a lot more interesting.
would make things more interesting, but its not liek that for the same reason its not like that in other epsorts and physical sports. you cant expect the players to play up to 7 hours straight in finals also i dont think as many people would watch more than the current 6 hours, which is already a lot
You prepared all year long to win those games. Not to get 2 extra chances in a BO3. You show what you got in that one game you are offered. You don´t get a BO3 in math test, do you? :D
I too would like Bo3 more than Bo1, but Bo7 is just too much man xD
@@Kamizura but i would like a bo3 math test man imagine could have made my studies easier
狼不行 虎不啸 洗澡乌兹可笑可笑
I’m no EU fan but I rather have fnc win than g2. G2 way too cocky. Cockier than faker after 3 worlds, more toxic than doublelift, and less humble than IG after winning their first worlds.
At least with FNC I can support them and respect how much they worked and struggled the entire year, especially with the player and staff changes
I'm from NA, are they really like that?
YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY FNATIC. Please play TWITCH YUUMI. Rekkles is maybe the best TWITCH in the world but he is unsure to play it maybe bc of how he accidently died vs Immortals in S7 Worlds.... TWITCH IS ONE OF YOUR GREAT CHAMPS MARTIN. You can succeed with it.
Remember boys the team comp that SKT came back from 10k gold HAD A TWITCH IN IT. Cho' Gath, Jarvan IV, Orianna, TWITCH, Rakan... think about it.
That was the best comeback in league history IMHO.
RNG IS over
Management told skt to do nothing against fnc.
To make the last game even better cause it's a tie.
So rng has a 50% chance to make it out.
And skt given a chance to fnc to fight for life 👍👍👍 gj skt you make rng out of quarter
Even if they had lost to SKT, FNATIC could still go through
Lyn'S KittyCat'World Fnatic is just to strong for skt and rng. They just trolles in the first games lul.
yeah of cause and at the olympic games people are bad on purpose because they want others to win! Earth is flat and evolution just a lie...
Double ADC FNC. Xayah bot, KAISA MID. FNC FIGHTING.
SKT big picture
not sure if SKT let them win that game and bet fnc could eliminate rng
@@theobsrvr09 that doesn't make any sense because if that's the case than because if fnc won against rng that would mean that they would be better than rgn and skt should be more scared of fnc than rng
@Jozsef Mamitagfbddjkddkd and all plebs decided it was a master plan of SKT... they just didnt care for the game and tried some risky dives, clever viewers
They didn't mean to lose but they definitely inted by hard diving a Veig with grag until it was too late. Not afraid of FNC as an SKT fan. Better to have a throwaway game this early. Faker played so bad against that FNC game. GL to fnc wpwp
I understand that SKT didnt want to go against RNG again so they betted on Fnatic, but still really wanted to see another RNG vs SKT game. Those two teams are the only ones by far that made a great fight in my opinion. Worlds gonna be boring now ;-;
Whole RNG afk, never tried a desperate play to maybe make a comeback.
When FNC were hovering Garen with Xayah locked in already and STRANGELY yuumi FREE... I was hoping they would pick Yuumi and force RNG to pick Garen... bc then FNC could FLEX XAYAH MID LANE! Perkz is on record saying Xayah is the main ADC that feels like a MAGE. So Perkz is really comfortable on Xayah. I guarantee Xayah could be played mid bc her overall OVERTUNED power levels. Watch out meta. PS...YOU CAN DO IT FNC. Please play TWITCH YUUMI. Hylissang is a great early adopter of Yuumi, and Rekkles is maybe the best TWITCH in the world but he is scared to play it maybe bc of how he accidently lost the game vs Immortals. TWITCH IS ONE OF YOUR GREAT CHAMPS MARTIN. Please.
Lulu and ez lmao they deserved it
Why? What’s wrong with that pick?
@@hellotheremyolfriend Nothing. People didn't listen to the pick ban commentary.
Ming is too heavy for uzi in lane lmao
Poor RNG this year vs SKT
I wouldve been happy with either advancing, but the match itself is frustrating, not to say suspicious. RNG conceded 1 dragon and 3 towers absolutely free from 16mins in the game. At that point the gold advantage was only 3k, not the kind that makes you completely shun teamfights. From 16 to 26 minutes RNG (except Uzi) did absolutely NOTHING. The 10k gold advantage was given without even the threat of a fight. What the fuck was that?
RNG: did SKT try to carry FNC to group stage by losing on purpose?
FNC: this is our chance all in boys
SKT: faith is in your hand, in or out is on you now.
EU fan: YEAAAAAAAA
Faker: hehe.
Raphael Peralta skt knew losing to FNC , it could be a decisive game between FNC and rng. For the last game. Not saying FNC is a bad team. I’m a FNC fan. But SKT rather give FNC a chance to get in group then rng.
@@kcnguyen7588 Even if FNC (2:3) lost vs SKT and win vs RNG (3:2) it was 3:3 for both teams so tie-break game
Reden BLOODYROAR one lost from SKT change so much.
1. gave FNC hope
2 . If somehow FNC win. They just took out one strong opponent in group, or maybe even in semi.
They just make it easier for FNC go against with rng by losing. so no tie breaker all in or go home.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN EUPHORIA! - cringeshock
Say a little post-match speech! It doesn't matter whether you win or lose. You can't be looked down upon until you lose. LPL explains that there is no professional accomplishment at all, and it is always subjective. FNC double C fat, said the somebody else disgusting. Little dragon brush two soil two fire, said the somebody else too much. Is this what a professional commentator should say? China Electric Competition wants to go further. The team should not only play well, but also the commentary team should make objective analysis. This is not a national team, this is a club. If this is the Asian Games, I think it is no problem from a national perspective. Interpretation doesn't even have any explanation on what professional ethics is. Often it is not because others look down on you, but because you lose that you are looked down on.
rng let us disappoint year by year
Chinese talking about ETHICS. XD
EU > NA, KR, CHN,
eu came second in groups to 2 kr teams and an lck team lol
Eu not yet better than Korea
Well if dwg fails to make it out tomorrow, eu will have 3/8 best teams in the world so it wouldn't be too farfetched to say eu > the others
Nikolas Lackovič BRO KR > all, eu just won 1 worlds, it was always koreans so know your place u little fuck
@@bsnjun3170 but eu have look pretty strong
EU is so unpredictable lol. Either they play out of their minds or they shit the bed
Sandbagging so they will not face each other in QF.
yea like a mix of korea and na
@@HereSomeLight The grand plan of EU (I'M JOKING NO FLAME)
Uzi should quit.
Why? He was win condition in all of their games this tournament and man was he scary.
@@SerhiiMartyneko to a better team perhaps?
@@SerhiiMartyneko as a fan i want him to quit. just start stream in China he'll make more money and live a much more peaceful life. the pressure is too high, and his hand is already seriously injured.
gay
Chrontard na kid go home
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win or lose.....it does not matter.....Korean will win the final anyway.