The HU - Song of Women feat. Lzzy Hale of Halestorm LIVE

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  • čas přidán 2. 11. 2019
  • Exit/In 11/2/19

Komentáře • 343

  • @johnrust592
    @johnrust592 Před 4 lety +23

    Lzzy Hale and The Hu together??? I'm surprised the roof didn't explode from the force of so much sheer awesomeness!

  • @danieleangelosante
    @danieleangelosante Před 4 lety +42

    The most beautiful song dedicated to women is performed by a great band that believes in its roots and in its value, Lzzy Hale has added an extra note making this melody unique

    • @rafehr1378
      @rafehr1378 Před 2 lety +3

      Agree.

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před rokem +2

      I'm still amazed that people are still seeing this. Just a phone video because I was on assignment shooting the show for the HU. Thank you for watching✌️

  • @dianasandoval6601
    @dianasandoval6601 Před 2 lety +11

    Lzzy is a goddess. Noone better to sing with The HU this tribute to womankind. I am in awe of you Lzzy.

  • @LittleDogsOnThePrarie
    @LittleDogsOnThePrarie Před 4 lety +66

    I love this honoring of the mother earth, the woman of all women, nurturers of the world, the vibration & heart beat that sustains all life. So spiritual & powerful . The Hu sound is so primal and earthy, it resonates within the core of every spirit, human and animal. Have always loved Lizzy Hale & her powerful, beautiful voice. Loving what the Mongolian Chant & sound is bringing. The two together are practically magical. NICE JOB!!

    • @jeffk1482
      @jeffk1482 Před 3 lety +3

      Practically magical? In my mind it's pure sorcery!

    • @LittleDogsOnThePrarie
      @LittleDogsOnThePrarie Před 3 lety +2

      @@jeffk1482 Is that a good thing, or a bad thing in your opinion?

    • @jeffk1482
      @jeffk1482 Před 3 lety +4

      @@LittleDogsOnThePrarie That was meant to mean in a good way.

  • @drewlsy
    @drewlsy Před 4 lety +18

    Perfect union of souls; female and male. The power and glory of song and dance. Loved it.

  • @cjw2661
    @cjw2661 Před 4 lety +13

    Every heart beats a woman's soul
    Truer words have never been spoke

  • @prodigalson6166
    @prodigalson6166 Před 4 lety +148

    Thank You Lzzy and The Hu for this beautiful honor song to our Mothers of Humanity. 🙏
    Love from the USA and Native America.
    ✌🦅🌲🇺🇸

    • @leslieholland7843
      @leslieholland7843 Před 3 lety +5

      I keep getting mad at my (Native American Shawnee Shaman) for dying before I could introduce him to the Hu. Bummer. He's probably listening with his Ancestors.

    • @Starslothh
      @Starslothh Před 2 lety +1

      can you throw some links to native american bands that are similar? hard rock/metal in their native tongue?

  • @WarGrrl3
    @WarGrrl3 Před 3 lety +11

    This is so intense I am in tears. The Hu make Magik; its beyond Music. Lizzy H adding her words, voice and Spirit takes it even higher. I am moved n transformed. Be Blessed in all good things.

  • @walktheoldways5016
    @walktheoldways5016 Před 4 lety +81

    Gala was in Mongolia, singing in the mountains, playing the sacred horse head fiddle. Now, millions upon millions of human beings are hearing this, from the sacred lands, comes the rise of the human beings. For all of our peoples. Make no mistake, waste no time, we must take our lives and world back.

    • @miskokinoo
      @miskokinoo Před 3 lety +1

      So well said. Very inspiring words. The Hu's music fuels my fire like no other to do just what you said.

  • @candacelee4339
    @candacelee4339 Před rokem +2

    Best ever. If you didn't feel that then you must not be listening, this is one of my favorite songs

  • @thewinners3310
    @thewinners3310 Před 4 lety +230

    Lyrics by LZZY Hale:
    I am bones and I am skin
    I am home, where life begins
    I’ve started wars, I’ve given peace
    Across the ocean, I carry the seed
    I’m your lover
    I’m your mother
    I’m Your sister
    I’m your daughter
    When Kings fall to their knees
    They Sing a woman’s song
    When birds scream in the trees
    They Sing a woman’s song
    The sunrise in the east
    Sings a woman’s song
    Every Heart that beats
    Sings a woman’s song
    I am fire
    I am water
    I am empress
    I am thunder
    I am flower
    I am wonder
    I’m the object
    Of your desire
    I am beauty
    I am grace
    I am faith… When Kings fall to their knees
    They Sing a woman’s song
    When birds scream in the trees
    They Sing a woman’s song
    The sunrise in the east
    Sings a woman’s song
    Every Heart that beats
    Sings a woman’s song
    Every heart beats a woman’s song
    Every heart beats a woman’s song
    Every heart beats a woman’s song
    Every heart beats a woman’s song

    • @JACKAL5002
      @JACKAL5002 Před 4 lety +6

      thanks for posting this!

    • @prodigalson6166
      @prodigalson6166 Před 4 lety +21

      Thank you. I thought this was an honor song for women. Makes me proud of the Mothers of my tribes and all of humanity.
      Nataahendé Mescalero Apache here. They say my people came from Mongolia but their music lights up my Viking Genetic Memory, Not Apache. "Well excuse me; mama was a 'Brave-Hunter."🤷 Yes I'm Apache/Viking; care for a roll of tp with that knowledge? 🤣🤣🤣
      Love from the USA and Native America
      ✌🦅🌲🇺🇸

    • @riqrosser5349
      @riqrosser5349 Před 4 lety +9

      Thank you 😍

    • @terrenceburger6890
      @terrenceburger6890 Před 4 lety +6

      A promise made by mother so long ago will be fulfilled.love honour family true friendship our future together .we miss our 7 nation Army who is spread across the 4 corners waiting to bring justice with a sword.the animals saved you now protect them .I've got your back now forever I serve you.the nightmare is over the dream about to begin.happy New year we are home.

    • @m.blackkite
      @m.blackkite Před 4 lety +3

      ♥ Beautiful, thanks!

  • @XxCoNstAncEblEEdsxX
    @XxCoNstAncEblEEdsxX Před 4 lety +6

    With songs like this, it feels great to be a woman. So grateful that The Hu and Lzzy Hale have graced us with this collaboration.

  • @MJ-ug5mo
    @MJ-ug5mo Před 2 lety +5

    My 47 yr old step-daughter turned me on to this and OMG...I'm totally smitten by these extremely talented group of musicians! Thank you Michelita! 💖

  • @carlstovermusic
    @carlstovermusic Před 4 lety +342

    What doesn't come through in this video is how spiritual of a moment this was. No recording can capture that. In that room we all felt something. I was standing right in front of that stage and felt like I was looking up into the great beyond, into ancient history, at a single entity singing for all of humanity to hear. Say what you want about how it sounds different with Lzzy, but I haven't had a feeling that powerful listening to music in a very long time.

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před 4 lety +15

      Truth! It was one of those "moments" people will talk about.I feel very fortunate to have seen it.

    • @medboflight
      @medboflight Před 4 lety +8

      I picked it up a bit. I'm so disappointed in myself for waiting too long to try to get tickets when they were in Dallas. I hope there are many future opportunities to do so.

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před 4 lety +5

      @@medboflight you must go next time 😊

    • @medboflight
      @medboflight Před 4 lety +7

      @@ErikHernandezPhotography absolutely! I underestimated their popularity, I gotta say and it was on a week day. Kinda assumed I'd be able to put it off until the last minute and I'd be okay. But, it sold out maybe a week before. I was so mad at myself.

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před 4 lety +7

      @@medboflight I've done that several times.You'll get another chance,they're building a fanbase one city at a time.They conquered Nashville last night 😎

  • @stimpsonjcat67
    @stimpsonjcat67 Před 4 lety +172

    How in the ever-loving twisting love of fate did these two bands find each other? Every one of those lyrists on that stage DESERVES to be there! Stunning...they need to do studio time together! TAKE...MY...MONEY!

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před 4 lety +12

      Sometimes life just works out for the greater good 🤘

    • @static2430
      @static2430 Před 4 lety +15

      The Hu just released a version of Wolf Totem with Jacoby from Papa Roach!

    • @deborahostrom2451
      @deborahostrom2451 Před 4 lety +10

      stimpsonjcat67 I have just recently stumbled upon “The Hu” I cant believe I have lived without their music. And I absolutely love Lizzy Hale.

  • @ripleyrulz9440
    @ripleyrulz9440 Před 3 lety +7

    I can not think of a better female voice to keep up with these legends. Stunning.

  • @paulschewene7850
    @paulschewene7850 Před 4 lety +164

    Some songs are destined to be sold on CDs and via the music download sites...
    Some... are meant to be EXPERIENCED... and I think this performance is a prime example of a song that truly is to be experienced.
    Having honest to goodness ARTISTS, like The HU and Lzzy Hale, collaborating on a special song like this... you can't put a price on that... and that's what we're looking at... real, honest to God "ART".
    No auto-tune... no real bland old tired beats and formulas that everyone's heard before... but a very real performance that lays the very spirit of the original song, wide open for the audience to embrace and feel...
    Simply magnificent...

  • @jeanninenoll1584
    @jeanninenoll1584 Před 4 lety +17

    This song is great, but adding LZZY makes it INCREDIBLE! Singing right to my damn soul, makes me cry each time.

  • @mimimgl2557
    @mimimgl2557 Před 3 lety +6

    Goose bumps ❤️. Even live there are amazing.

  • @coribueno
    @coribueno Před 4 lety +9

    Perfection.... oh my god, love this song and the band and Lzzy of my heart!!!!!!!!

  • @SquidProQuo2112
    @SquidProQuo2112 Před 7 měsíci +1

    The Hu sound like they are growing out of the bowels the earth. Only Lzzy could pull this off and come out on top of this force of nature.

  • @markblue9476
    @markblue9476 Před 4 lety +26

    I absolutely love the HU. Found them way back on my crazy, random CZcams searches for atypical metal bands. Lzzy is, well Lzzy, one of the greatest female artists of the past century; up there with the likes of Patsy Cline, Loretta Lynn, Dolly Parton, Janis Joplin, Joan Jett, Stevie Nicks, Ann Wilson, Amy Lee, Whitney Houston, etc. Epic company across all genres; she is that good (I have the T shirt too! LOL). This is an amazing capture and would hope they do something more in the future. Thanks for sharing an epic moment!

  • @tashray633
    @tashray633 Před 3 lety +4

    This is one of the most movingly powerful songs! Just pulls the energy!! Thank you Hu and Lzzy ❤

  • @rknrne46
    @rknrne46 Před 4 lety +76

    When i walked thru the front door of The Exit Inn, Nashville Tennessee. I had know idea that i would be a front row witness to this video.
    Life is crazy.....

    • @stevendelcore4338
      @stevendelcore4338 Před 4 lety +2

      I was at this show too! This was a very pleasant surprise to see this pairing.

  • @toniriemer7894
    @toniriemer7894 Před 4 lety +21

    I can't think of a better woman to represent this song than Lzzy Hale !!! She represents what a modern day woman defines. Her whole essence and being and what she stands for defines a woman.

  • @yvonnebeaver8310
    @yvonnebeaver8310 Před 2 lety +6

    Just found this...wow! Totally profoundly awesome! Love it!!! Thank you!

  • @tinaacey2856
    @tinaacey2856 Před rokem +1

    Wow! I’m in love. I am love. Thank you. Devine!

  • @tamerad3827
    @tamerad3827 Před 4 lety +8

    I love Lzzy!!! I Love the Hu, I love the Hu and all of the hard rock featurings. It just touches the soul.

  • @davevirag5423
    @davevirag5423 Před 4 lety +5

    I Love It! Lzzy And The Hu! Excellent! 😍👍🤘👌✌

  • @donnalombardo5061
    @donnalombardo5061 Před 2 lety +2

    This has to be one of the best metal bands I've ever heard. I love all their songs, even if they are not all in English.

  • @neo-3808
    @neo-3808 Před 4 lety +23

    At a certain point it felt as if she was allowed to howl with the wolves. So much energy in this song! Respect! I was very scared to listen to this song with an American vocalist with it, but gosh, this was amazing! This IS amazing! I'm listening and watching on repeat. I can't look away. It started off a bit messy, it took a bit before they were all on the same page, but when that happened, when that hit, this sucked me in and I feel blessed this collab happened and was done so perfectly live! And I'm humbled I get to watch it and enjoy it. Thank you! Big fan!

  • @jerrystanley7000
    @jerrystanley7000 Před 4 lety +3

    For a second I thought this song was of my Mother. She is intelligent, 5'2 small, gentle. But can be fierce as Hell and the arguments (yelling at each other) oh by the Gods they can be fierce. So in a sense a woman is a Warrior in her own way. This song just got to me! Thank you.

  • @erinjohnson5183
    @erinjohnson5183 Před 4 lety +26

    I’m getting chills by lzzys voice her voice 😍

  • @apercu7239
    @apercu7239 Před rokem +1

    Song is amazing. Great performance. Lzzy's lyrics are spectacular.

  • @samanthamorgan432
    @samanthamorgan432 Před 4 lety +36

    Wow, this legit gave me goosebumps! Love both The Hu and Hale and felt this song deeply.

  • @zulkhuut7566
    @zulkhuut7566 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Most respectable song to WOMAN

  • @sherrileffel4523
    @sherrileffel4523 Před 4 lety +5

    My heart and soul just swells when I hear your music don't stop writing music!!❤🎶🎼🎵

  • @classicmetalmaniac
    @classicmetalmaniac Před 4 lety +16

    Hard time picking up my jaw off the floor!! Wow!! Magic

  • @nicolaablett7790
    @nicolaablett7790 Před rokem +1

    can listen to this back to back AWESOMENESS

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před rokem +1

      it was an amazing night that nobody knew was gonna happen. The only live performance with LZZY doing this song with the HU! Thanks for watching!

  • @deathbyguitar1
    @deathbyguitar1 Před 4 lety +106

    The collaboration no one wanted...then everyone wondered why it hadn't happened sooner. Great job capturing it and thanks for sharing.

    • @chromegirl7546
      @chromegirl7546 Před 4 lety

      I still don't want it. She's awful. Love The Hu, though.

    • @JAContes
      @JAContes Před 4 lety +2

      I didn't like it at first, but it grew on me, and for this specific song it works.

    • @Bombpier
      @Bombpier Před 4 lety +5

      Lizzy is one of the best female vocalists in music

    • @SoN_oF_oDiN76
      @SoN_oF_oDiN76 Před 4 lety +4

      I don't think its so much that nobody wanted. It's more like nobody could see it happening. Just the remix of Wolf Totem with Jacoby. I never in a million years saw that collaboration happening but it did and it's not bad.

  • @rknrne46
    @rknrne46 Před 4 lety +38

    Thanks for the ❤.
    On this nite. It had been 1000 days since i last seen my daughter. Hopefully her taste in music like mine will someday bring her around to read this comment. Because she will be a woman.
    I love you Emma, and I'm sorry for what your mom did to us...
    I know it wasn't your fault..Forever Dad.
    Dear Daughter......

    • @beastlybuickv6402
      @beastlybuickv6402 Před 4 lety +4

      I am sorry you are going through such pain. Will say a Rosary to ask Our Lady to reunite you with your daughter. Blessings upon you both! 💝

  • @LenapeSF
    @LenapeSF Před 4 lety +10

    One of the most unexpected, best collaborations I've seen & heard. Thank you for posting this one!

  • @jodynoel9604
    @jodynoel9604 Před 4 lety +11

    Love The Hu such primal music I love it!

  • @Uilstiano
    @Uilstiano Před 4 lety +149

    So proud of being a mongolian ,

  • @retrowheels73
    @retrowheels73 Před 4 lety +6

    This is by far the most beautiful track on the Gereg album and made even better with Lizzy Hale, wish I'd been there.

  • @superfly19751
    @superfly19751 Před 4 lety +13

    How cool is this!! To see Lzzy on stage with the boys.

  • @rpgutsuki5298
    @rpgutsuki5298 Před 4 lety +16

    I would listen to this everyday

  • @ericd6216
    @ericd6216 Před 4 lety +13

    Im so happy my wife and i got to see them when they went through Iowa awesome concert

  • @slabulous4876
    @slabulous4876 Před rokem +1

    There’s something so touching about two completely different languages performing and enjoying such an esoteric song

  • @m.blackkite
    @m.blackkite Před 4 lety +8

    Wow love it! Lzzy Hale is great! Would've loved to be there, thanks forsharing it!!!! I've seen The Hu twice, waiting for the next time.... :-D

  • @jaymegriffiths3813
    @jaymegriffiths3813 Před 4 lety +10

    Go ahead Lzzy Hale, this is brilliant❣ Love this collaboration 💗

  • @zelilgirlI1ncenu
    @zelilgirlI1ncenu Před 4 lety +16

    Amazing collaboration, fusion is where it's at. Very emotional, great to see Lzzy using her voice with great purpose.

  • @LTeeeeeeeee
    @LTeeeeeeeee Před 4 lety +6

    Well this is just the best ever 😱😭❤️

  • @mommyoffice3638
    @mommyoffice3638 Před 4 lety +25

    Cant express my feeling the wonder of Lizzy’s powerful voice right after the Hu’s part in the beginning. Sounds such a unique. It’s simply the best vocal i have been get from live concerts. Go the Hu. It’s your show time mates🤘🏻🙏🏻

  • @amarettopunsch1496
    @amarettopunsch1496 Před 4 lety +12

    The definition of perfection and creativity in a video

  • @teesmyth4777
    @teesmyth4777 Před 4 lety +5

    Pleasing to my ears, heart and soul.❤️🐦✨😇🤸🤸💥🙃🎼🎯💕🎸🔥

  • @paintediva
    @paintediva Před 4 lety +5

    What an awesome song for Lizzy to join in! This song just became even deeper and more primal for all women!

  • @BeauTokyo
    @BeauTokyo Před 4 lety +3

    The music business never ceases to amaze me.

  • @XcuddleXbearX11
    @XcuddleXbearX11 Před 4 lety +4

    Oh my god...this....is....INCREDIBLE....holy..
    majestic yet spiritually intense

  • @MrUncle2009
    @MrUncle2009 Před 4 lety +5

    Wow! What a phenomenal emotion shattering performance.

  • @TheTokenTom
    @TheTokenTom Před 4 lety +39

    Excellent. The Hu crossing over with American/Western artists is wise marketing.

    • @Nakelp86
      @Nakelp86 Před 4 lety +1

      History of collaborations like this shows that someone ALWAYS gets screwed big time on the end

    • @jacobxiongnu2931
      @jacobxiongnu2931 Před 4 lety +7

      You notice the Hu is uniting all of America too, but the Hu will continue to stay true to their roots.

  • @miguelalarcon8694
    @miguelalarcon8694 Před 4 lety +5

    The HU & Lzzy Hale😍😍 WOW me encanta!!!

  • @naranchimegmaamuu9534
    @naranchimegmaamuu9534 Před 4 lety +60

    Wow !!! This is anothr interesting collaboration of the HU and I love the original song too..

  • @chimgeebaatar7966
    @chimgeebaatar7966 Před 4 lety +6

    Soo powerful and beautiful

  • @JPLOWMAN2
    @JPLOWMAN2 Před 3 lety +4

    That bit at the end where they were all just shouting ‘hu hu hu hu!’ 😋 Dudes may not be able to speak anything but Mongolian, but with a name like that, the audience has no trouble expressing its appreciation

  • @Jeffmackens
    @Jeffmackens Před 4 lety +52

    Was in the crowd last night... pretty cool

    • @ErikHernandezPhotography
      @ErikHernandezPhotography  Před 4 lety +2

      I enjoyed the diversity and how everyone enjoyed it together.Really nice to see people getting along and just taking in the music.The sing along in the crowd when System of a Down was on the speakers was cool to see.

  • @suemcneil7234
    @suemcneil7234 Před 3 lety +1

    Love this..so powerful and magical...🤩🥰🤗

  • @leemcgann6470
    @leemcgann6470 Před 4 lety +3

    Great combination! The HU & Lizzy

  • @albertonaruo6132
    @albertonaruo6132 Před 4 lety +5

    Hey do you have a permit for that friggin awesome sword?
    HU: do you value your life?
    me:I will gladly give you my life my Khan!!

  • @cs-zz7jd
    @cs-zz7jd Před 4 lety +5

    I really like this collaboration. I hope they make a studio version of this available and possibly a music video of this.

  • @Cube_Ernator1077
    @Cube_Ernator1077 Před 4 lety +10

    Very, very Very Good!!!! Greetings from Australia!!

  • @paintediva
    @paintediva Před 4 lety +5

    I absolutely love this💖

  • @oyunaaaaaaaa
    @oyunaaaaaaaa Před 4 lety +24

    Wow beautiful, I love the original one, but I love the English part as well 🥰

  • @squallleonhart7149
    @squallleonhart7149 Před 4 lety +4

    Jesus christ this gave me goosebumps

  • @canadiangemini3335
    @canadiangemini3335 Před 4 lety +4

    Lzzy, you are AMAZING as always. I hope the two bands take it one step further and record this.

  • @KensGarage.
    @KensGarage. Před 2 lety +2

    Lzzy is the hottest babe in rock, I'm sure any guy or girl can agree!

  • @moreblack
    @moreblack Před 4 lety +36

    That's an epic voice Lzzy

  • @wendyroman4944
    @wendyroman4944 Před 4 lety +4

    WOW! No words can describe it! Thank You! ❤

  • @Nefertare1972
    @Nefertare1972 Před 4 lety +8

    Impresionante!!!!!! Amo ésta canción tanto como la original!!! Muy buen trabajo!!!!!

  • @tomolesnevich9169
    @tomolesnevich9169 Před 2 lety +2

    That was powerful, so good

  • @beckyhastings8804
    @beckyhastings8804 Před 3 lety +1

    This is a some I love it so much

  • @ivenp.freely7456
    @ivenp.freely7456 Před 4 lety +24

    I only have two words for this "record it"

    • @Bad_Wolf_Media
      @Bad_Wolf_Media Před 4 lety

      They did. Check out Lzzy Hale's Facebook or Instagram feeds, she has photos from the studio session.

  • @shaunmorris8176
    @shaunmorris8176 Před 3 lety +1

    This is a song you must put on repeat ♥️♥️

  • @oh_ok9140
    @oh_ok9140 Před 4 lety +6

    Awesome collaboration from this two iconic 💪👀👍

  • @everdinestenger1548
    @everdinestenger1548 Před 3 lety +1

    Beatiful song and great music, it seems to come in waves.

  • @DT-vl8xm
    @DT-vl8xm Před 4 lety +5

    Really pleasantly surprised with this!

  • @terrenceburger6890
    @terrenceburger6890 Před 4 lety +4

    Mother and I like the fact a lady sang her song

  • @barbarafuentes2171
    @barbarafuentes2171 Před rokem

    I thought nothing could top this song's music video. I was wrong. Lzzy knows how to deliver, and her passion looks so much richer in this version.

  • @bigdustin4340
    @bigdustin4340 Před 4 lety +11

    we need a studio version please.

  • @kingdclxvi8488
    @kingdclxvi8488 Před 4 lety +6

    Omfg that was amazing 🤩🤩🤩The Hu are incredible and if Lizzy joined the band they'd be unstoppable

  • @inokayepthomiinokayeptho1327

    The Hu Big love from northeast Nagaland INDIAN 👍

  • @xenaswolf
    @xenaswolf Před 3 lety +4

    No other woman could have been a better pick for this song!

  • @davidnesbit1576
    @davidnesbit1576 Před 4 lety +4

    Lzzy Hale singing the phone book would be a hit record

  • @sarahtester202
    @sarahtester202 Před 4 lety +3

    The floored me, amazing!

  • @forgedglory
    @forgedglory Před 4 lety +2

    I was there for this!! Great show!!

  • @KaosandRiot
    @KaosandRiot Před 4 lety +5

    Dammmmmm, please get in the studio with this!

  • @swastikthapaliya9798
    @swastikthapaliya9798 Před 4 lety

    this was spiritual.. love from country of himalayas. NEPAL !

  • @FrankYapjustbeingfrank
    @FrankYapjustbeingfrank Před 2 lety +1

    powerful live performance.. astonishing

  • @phswildcatsfan
    @phswildcatsfan Před 4 lety

    This is AWESOME! Lzzy there is nobody better!

  • @shaunmorris8176
    @shaunmorris8176 Před 3 lety +3

    I can't believe how anyone would give this a thumds down.